Drafting a MLB (and a little about DeMeco)

[TheLBCoach]

Given the success that DeMeco Ryans had his rookie season, do you think we could just as easily find a stud MLB early in this draft? If so, who do you think that person is?

The reason I ask is because I was throwing this around with some friends a little bit....and simply wondering if trying to trade DeMeco for either a stud DE or a 1st Round pick would necessarily be a bad idea. This, of course, is assuming the MLB you select in the early rounds does, in fact, turn out to be a big time player his rookie season. I realize that while trying to kill two birds with one stone, you can sometimes wind up worse off than you started.

I'm not proposing we do this. I love DeMeco Ryans in Houston. I'm simply posing the question to encite some good conversation on the draft boards and find out what other people think about this.

[ToroToro]

Given the success that DeMeco Ryans had his rookie season, do you think we could just as easily find a stud MLB early in this draft? If so, who do you think that person is?

The reason I ask is because I was throwing this around with some friends a little bit....and simply wondering if trying to trade DeMeco for either a stud DE or a 1st Round pick would necessarily be a bad idea. This, of course, is assuming the MLB you select in the early rounds does, in fact, turn out to be a big time player his rookie season. I realize that while trying to kill two birds with one stone, you can sometimes wind up worse off than you started.

I'm not proposing we do this. I love DeMeco Ryans in Houston. I'm simply posing the question to encite some good conversation on the draft boards and find out what other people think about this.

I don't like it. IMO, that's taking the known Ryans and trading him for an unknown. What's the best-case scenario? We draft a MLB that's as good as Meco. That's like someone giving you $10, then saying "If you give me that $10 back, I'll let you flip this coin. If its tails, I'll give you $10. If it's heads, I'll give you $5." Why flip the coin?

I see other intangibles in him as well. Seems to be a hard worker on and off the field. Gives his all even when not at 100% (like most of '08). Class guy, good character, etc...

Plus I have a Deep Steel Blue #59 jersey. Nuff said. ;)

[lpinebriator]

Let's trade Mario and take the gamble on finding a freak DE too.

[TheGoaT]

If Ryans had been in the league for about 6 or 7 years and was reaching his peak, then yes. Hes too young and talented right now to give up.

[dallas_texan]

Didn't he play Outside in College? What about drafting a stud MLB in the first, and moving Demeco to outside? Or hell, just drafting an OLB. I think an OLB is what we need is all I'm getting at. I think a truly stud OLB would allow Demeco to stop playing sideline to sideline, and we would generate the pass rush that way. Leave the D-line how it is. One great OLB makes two players better. Then get a S in the second, and with a healthy franchised Dunta our D is turned around. Maybe a C in the third, and we have the makings of a playoff team already.

(Not to mention Haynsworth hopefully going ANYWHERE but our division makes us better!!)

[chjoak]

Didn't he play Outside in College? What about drafting a stud MLB in the first, and moving Demeco to outside? Or hell, just drafting an OLB. I think an OLB is what we need is all I'm getting at. I think a truly stud OLB would allow Demeco to stop playing sideline to sideline, and we would generate the pass rush that way. Leave the D-line how it is. One great OLB makes two players better. Then get a S in the second, and with a healthy franchised Dunta our D is turned around. Maybe a C in the third, and we have the makings of a playoff team already.

(Not to mention Haynsworth hopefully going ANYWHERE but our division makes us better!!)

I agree. I'm not a big fan of the available 1st round DEs (outside E. Brown) & FSs and think the team would be better served trading down and snagging a SLB in the 20s. My personal favorite is Brian Cushing from USC. There are other options though; Aaron Curry (Wake), Laurinitis (Oh St, most say he is better suited for SLB).

[B.Diddy]

me personally i think we already have three stud line backers with speed in Demeco , Zac , and Xavier any early pick should be used on a stud D lineman , secondary, and or and Backup Running Back

[chjoak]

me personally i think we already have three stud line backers with speed in Demeco , Zac , and Xavier any early pick should be used on a stud D lineman , secondary, and or and Backup Running Back

I agree that they have been good, but Diles & Adibi are still unproven and both are more suited for WLB. I would like to get a SLB in this draft. The only reason I suggested using the 1st on one was because:

1. E. Brown will be gone
2. I don't like any other 1st round DE prospect. Prefer Philip Hunt or Paul Krueger in the 2nd.
3. Since Mays opted out, I don't like any 1st round FS prospects. Prefer to address FS later in the draft (with Eugene Wilson as starter) or via FA.

I would also be Ok with DT in the first (just not at 15) if the new DC & Dline coach see a guy they think can make an impact.

Also, I don't think we snag our power RB until the 4th round at the earliest.

[A-B]

no.

[GoldenHolden]

The only way I would like to draft lb in the first is if Curry is available at 15 which is not going to happen. I have been watching Rey M. at the senior bowl practices and he really hasn't played as well as I would have expected. The problem with a 4-3 is that lb's are not as important as DE's. LB's in the 4-3 are asked to be in coverage alot which for most lb's takes them out of their game. I think a speed DE (especially to fit what Bush and the new DL coach are looking for) would be more valuable than a lb. There will be a DE available in the first round. The Texans showed last season that they will trade back if they need to and they will draft a player earlier than expected if they believe he is their guy. I agree though that the safety position should wait until the 2nd or 3rd round. There is talent at the safety position but not first round talent.

[B.Diddy]

i wouldn't mind Rey M from USC if we went that way but in no way shape or form do we move Demeco from MLB when healthy there's not a better MLB in the league ..no arguments if you don't believe me look at the stats

[A-B]

I also feel we will get to see a whole new side of Demeco this coming season b/c our defense will be totally different. Alot more blitzing! Getting rid of him is one of those Astros mistakes that comes back and bites you in the rear.

[BMT TEXAN]

me personally i think we already have three stud line backers with speed in Demeco , Zac , and Xavier any early pick should be used on a stud D lineman , secondary, and or and Backup Running Back

Exactly, we have a nice blend of LB's. Demeco is da leader & believe me fellas, dey are not fix'ng to start moving him around for no1. Diles, before da injury, looked like Demeco in his rookie year-everywhere around da ball & laying da wood. Adibi showed when healthy, he's 1 helluva LB. Also worth mentioning is Bentley is great to have as a BU; he did an outstandinf job of filliing in for Diles. Greenwood time is up on dis team, so I could see us picking up a LB on day 2 for BU duty & special teams. Spending an early pick on LB is jus not going to happen w/all of other pressing needs. Smith & company is good @finding gems in lata rounds(Diles&Adibi)!!!

[TheGoaT]

Exactly, we have a nice blend of LB's. Demeco is da leader & believe me fellas, dey are not fix'ng to start moving him around for no1. Diles, before da injury, looked like Demeco in his rookie year-everywhere around da ball & laying da wood. Adibi showed when healthy, he's 1 helluva LB. Also worth mentioning is Bentley is great to have as a BU; he did an outstandinf job of filliing in for Diles. Greenwood time is up on dis team, so I could see us picking up a LB on day 2 for BU duty & special teams. Spending an early pick on LB is jus not going to happen w/all of other pressing needs. Smith & company is good @finding gems in lata rounds(Diles&Adibi)!!!


da? dey? are you serious?

[srstex]

I can't see any benefit from moving our best player from where he has made the impact that he has. I honestly don't see anyone close to Ryans talent coming out, and you add his experience and that question adds up to no since what so ever. If it ain't broke....
If you want to trade someone, let's try the Vike's again with Sage, because what they got is sad. Take a 2nd or 3rd and bring in your lb. Draft a QB to develope into a good bu, and keep your best positions in tact. My 5 cents.

[GoldenHolden]

I can't see any benefit from moving our best player from where he has made the impact that he has. I honestly don't see anyone close to Ryans talent coming out, and you add his experience and that question adds up to no since what so ever. If it ain't broke....
If you want to trade someone, let's try the Vike's again with Sage, because what they got is sad. Take a 2nd or 3rd and bring in your lb. Draft a QB to develope into a good bu, and keep your best positions in tact. My 5 cents.

Completely agree, don't fix what isn't broke. If we draft an OLB (i hope they don't early) then thats ok, but no thanks to MLB.

[TEXANBRONCO]

i dont think he could be replaced:D....THATS HOW MUCH I LIKE HIM:D......i think if we are REALLY lookin for the weak link in the chain, we should look elsewhere and dont even look in DEMECOS direction.....if ya smell what i,m cookin:D

[zanth91]

Go ahead and trade Mario and AJ with him.

[TEXANBRONCO]

Rotflmmfao:d

[Sportswriter79]

Go ahead and trade Mario and AJ with him.

Don't stop there. Let's trade Owen Daniels too.

Why is it that someone would want to get rid of a good player? I can see drafting a great college MLB and moving Ryans to the outside if the coaches thought it was a good idea, but Ryans is the kind of guy you build around, if you are lucky enough to draft him in the first place. You don't get rid of him.

:rolleyes:

[TEXANBRONCO]

listen really..........any1 can tackle and be a ML....BUT....his INTELLIGENCE and LEADERSHIP SKILLS cant be replaced, by any1 that i can think of...plus the fact that KUBIAK drafted him, which means he may never leave:D.....i would LOVE to see him BLITZ and have 10 sacks:D or more....this next year has goten me ALITTLE more concerned than any previous years. now that we FINALLY may have the right crew on the TEXANS. i am EXCITED to say the least.....rooting for the worse team in the league all your life you learn a few things......1 is ya learn what a WINNER is, and 2 ya learn when ya have a gr8 coach.... i think next year the puzzle finally comes TOGETHER:D....can ya give me a HELLYAONTHAT:D

[D Frank]

da? dey? are you serious?

ok we all have a different way of typing. me myself,
there isnt NO set way of getting a point across. and
that guy is probably a black man and i am white and
have a black mother, i was adopted thats how we talk
and as long as we make a POINT it shouldnt matter how
we type. We are Texans fans and we make points in our
posts and then there are still people that make petty
comments:mad:

[CoogBull]

Trading DeMeco would be horrible. We do need another stud linebacker, but this guy is pure gold. DeMeco needs help, not another team's jersey.

[DexmanC]

Don't forget how incredibly LUCKY the Texans got with Demeco.
He was slated as a top 15 pick by most experts before the draft, and
due to his crappy 40 time, he dropped ALL THE WAY to the second round.


Do you guys remember how fast the Texans turned in that draft card
in the second round? I found it hilarious the Texans made the pick before
a full minute went off the clock. Demeco ain't goin' nowhere, and they
KNOW they were lucky to snatch he AND Mario in the same draft!!

[TexasToro]

Didn't he play Outside in College? What about drafting a stud MLB in the first, and moving Demeco to outside? Or hell, just drafting an OLB. I think an OLB is what we need is all I'm getting at. I think a truly stud OLB would allow Demeco to stop playing sideline to sideline, and we would generate the pass rush that way. Leave the D-line how it is. One great OLB makes two players better. Then get a S in the second, and with a healthy franchised Dunta our D is turned around. Maybe a C in the third, and we have the makings of a playoff team already.

(Not to mention Haynsworth hopefully going ANYWHERE but our division makes us better!!)

If they were thinking like that, they could have taken Patrick Willis a couple of years ago. In my opinion, the Texans should either draft the best corner available, or try to sign Julius Peppers and trade down for more picks.

[South Texan]

Did Charley Casserly tell you to start this thread?

Remember when we dumped Glenn and Sharper to "upgrade" to Buchannon? We haven't had a solid secondary unit since then.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[kevin]

I see what your saying but dang what if Rey Maualuga some how falls to us at 15, can u honestly pass him up. i dont think i could. but other then him i sure hope we arent that dumb to move demeco. im with south texan, that move to get ride of sharper and glenn really hurt us, aint that the year we were horrible and ended up 2-14.

[Yosarian]

Didn't we do this type of scenario once in our past?

We got rid of Sharper (our leading tackler) and the next year we were 100 times worse. Not that Sharper did anything anywhere else..but it sure seemed to upset the rhythym i thought we had going. We seemed to be on an improvement upswing the year before and ...

I don't like getting rid of our star players period. We hopefully learned some lessons from our past about dumping someone too early ,,,and not dumping someone for too long.

oh darn...i should have read all the way to the bottom...sorry south texan.

[kevin]

o i ment we could move demeco to olb. getting rid of demeco never crossed my mind.

[blake1776]

Why don't we move someone to OLB?

[Matt_in_KW]

Let's trade Mario and take the gamble on finding a freak DE too.

Don't forget to trade AJ and Slaton with Meco and Mario...throw in D-Rob too. Heck we may get an elite DE, CB,WR,RB out of the deal.:rolleyes::rolleyes: