Shonn Greene in 2nd round?

[DCtex]

There is a good chance that he will be available in 2nd round. A Slaton-Greene (not Green) young running back duo would be awesome. I know Kubiak's draft policy not to draft running backs in the higher rounds but i think Greene is undervalued now and i hope they consider to draft him in the second round. (i dont think he will fall until our 3rd round pick)

(After that we should cut A. Green and C. Brown because they proved they cant stay healthy. Ok, may C. Brown should get a chance to show that paying him for a year was not only wasting time and money.)

[Texian]

I was singing this song 2 months ago and I can tell you there are not many who were willing to get on that band wagon. Check out some earlier threads. Beanie Wells was eating Shonn Greene's dust in the Big 10 this year.

[HuttoKarl]

I can't see him not going in the first. He's too good to pass up if you're a team that needs a RB.

[Wolf123]

I don't see the texans looking for a RB until the 3rd round or later.

[lilbush]

Sure we all love Greene. I think this guy is going to be a beast. A mix between Ahmad Bradshaw and Marion Barber. BUT......I just don't see us going RB this high at this point in the franchise. We have obvious holes such as DE, FS, SS, CB, OLB, OL.

It all depends on Free agency.
-Cooper Carlise: for Guard Depth. 32 yes but
durable and probably 2 more years in the tank
-Atogwe: FS enough said
-Bertrand Berry: 34 yes but 1 maybe 2 more good years at
a cheap price
- Michael Boley: if he comes cheap. He might go cheaper because of his benching this year.

I hope we fill holes with Free Agency and in the draft go Best Available Players.

Greene would be an option if we do.

[foozball]

shonn greene in the 2nd, or andre brown in the 3rd?

i think brown is the better value, since slaton is still our #1 RB. greene wouldnt get enough carries to justify a 2nd round selection. we only rush the ball around 30 times a game, so keep that in mind. sure, itd be awesome to have greene, but do we really need him?

[Zac Attack]

Well, with the system the Texans are running, if they find a one cut guy, there is a significant chance a few running backs will find success.

And after seeing the success Slaton had last season in the 3rd round, it's pretty astonishing what the system does for running backs. It's kind of like the run and shoot, but for running backs.


What do ya'll think is harder to find. A small speedy one cut running back or a bigger power back who can do a one cut and run straight up field?

Slaton the smaller speedy one cut running back is on boards, was he the tough one to find? So, if that is the case then I say get a running back in the 4th round. (of course uless there is a can't pass up talent)

[GoldenHolden]

Well, with the system the Texans are running, if they find a one cut guy, there is a significant chance a few running backs will find success.

And after seeing the success Slaton had last season in the 3rd round, it's pretty astonishing what the system does for running backs. It's kind of like the run and shoot, but for running backs.


What do ya'll think is harder to find. A small speedy one cut running back or a bigger power back who can do a one cut and run straight up field?

Slaton the smaller speedy one cut running back is on boards, was he the tough one to find? So, if that is the case then I say get a running back in the 4th round. (of course uless there is a can't pass up talent)

I would say it is harder to find a big back. The scheme requires a rb that can make the cut and burst. Most big backs don't have that burst.

[Texian]

I would say it is harder to find a big back. The scheme requires a rb that can make the cut and burst. Most big backs don't have that burst.

I agree with the Bigger back. Finding the Big back who is quick enough to make the one cut and go is more difficult. The 5'10" 200 scat backs are a dime a dozen. Most of Greene's runs were one cut and go. More impressive is 851 yards came after contact.

[Texan Naija]

The thing is that with the bigger back, we will mainly be using him in short yardage situations or when they just want to give Slaton a rest. I agree, Greene barring a horrible combine will be gone before the Texans start to address the backup RB situation.

[chjoak]

I would still like to see them take a flier on Eric Kettani out of Navy. He is listed as a FB but he was the "FB" in a triple option meaning that he was essentially a Power RB

Eric Kettani, Navy
Height: 6-1. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.56.
Projected Round (2009): 6-7.

YEAR ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
2006 53 229 4.3 14 1
2007 152 880 5.8 71 10
2008 190 982 5.2 57 4

Few links with info on him:
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=76092&draftyear=2009&genpos=FB (read the Draft Scout News)
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=182927

[dbruder44]

I would still like to see them take a flier on Eric Kettani out of Navy. He is listed as a FB but he was the "FB" in a triple option meaning that he was essentially a Power RB

Eric Kettani, Navy
Height: 6-1. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.56.
Projected Round (2009): 6-7.

YEAR ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
2006 53 229 4.3 14 1
2007 152 880 5.8 71 10
2008 190 982 5.2 57 4

Few links with info on him:
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=76092&draftyear=2009&genpos=FB (read the Draft Scout News)
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=182927


Does Navy play anybody that makes these stats legit??

[chjoak]

Not sure who all Navy played but your also not using a 3rd round pick on the guy. I would like to pick up a true HB somewhere between 3rd & 5th and then use a 7th or UDFA on Kettani. You can bring him in as a backup FB, short yardage HB & special teams.

[TheLBCoach]

shonn greene in the 2nd, or andre brown in the 3rd?

i think brown is the better value, since slaton is still our #1 RB. greene wouldnt get enough carries to justify a 2nd round selection. we only rush the ball around 30 times a game, so keep that in mind. sure, itd be awesome to have greene, but do we really need him?

Key word there: I

I think it's funny how I never see you agree with someone else. You always have to be right and shoot down someone else's idea in the process.

[foozball]

Key word there: I

I think it's funny how I never see you agree with someone else. You always have to be right and shoot down someone else's idea in the process.

sorry for having an opinion

but im glad you think im always right :)

but really, think about it. we have our #1 RB in Slaton. Greene and Slaton would give us 2 #1 RBs, which of course, isnt bad thing at all, but if you're drafting Greene that high just to be a short yardage guy, then its a waste because you can get short yardage guys later. if you want greene to do what he did in college, he's going to need alot of carries to do that, which takes away carries from slaton and renders him as a change of pace type speed back. i'm not saying greene is a bad player, but if you take a guy in the 2nd, he better be more than a short yardage guy. i just dont see alot of value in taking him in the 2nd unless we use him for 20+ carries a game.

look at the value as well. do you take shonn greene in the 2nd and take a DE later? or take a DE in the 2nd and take a RB later? with a weak DE class in terms of overall depth, id rather take the bigger need in the earlier round.

[Texan Naija]

Not sure who all Navy played but your also not using a 3rd round pick on the guy. I would like to pick up a true HB somewhere between 3rd & 5th and then use a 7th or UDFA on Kettani. You can bring him in as a backup FB, short yardage HB & special teams.

You actually might be on to something with the HB idea. While Leach is doing spectacular work on the field, he isn't getting any younger and Sapp while ok as a backup, doesn't appear to be much of an option in replacing Leach should something keep him off the field.

[DCtex]

1.I know that our high round picks should be used to draft defensive players, but if we draft Greene in the second we still got the first and other 5 rounds to do that. And we could argue about drafting for need is always a good idea or not (Last year we reached for Brown. The biggest reason why everybody accepts is that we drafted Slaton with the extra pick, without this our first round choice would look a poor decision).

2. What would Greene mean for the Texans? A power running back, short yards guy, more rest for Slaton (we want for him long career, dont we? ), a starter if *** got hurt, etc.. Btw what if *** got hurt? season over?

So i think Greene would be a great value to the Texans.

[Texian]

sorry for having an opinion

but im glad you think im always right :)

but really, think about it. we have our #1 RB in Slaton. Greene and Slaton would give us 2 #1 RBs, which of course, isnt bad thing at all, but if you're drafting Greene that high just to be a short yardage guy, then its a waste because you can get short yardage guys later. if you want greene to do what he did in college, he's going to need alot of carries to do that, which takes away carries from slaton and renders him as a change of pace type speed back. i'm not saying greene is a bad player, but if you take a guy in the 2nd, he better be more than a short yardage guy. i just dont see alot of value in taking him in the 2nd unless we use him for 20+ carries a game.

look at the value as well. do you take shonn greene in the 2nd and take a DE later? or take a DE in the 2nd and take a RB later? with a weak DE class in terms of overall depth, id rather take the bigger need in the earlier round.

AAAHHHHH .....but if Greene can get you another 10-15 TDs and 25-30 1st downs a year, then a 2nd RD pick would be well worth it. Slaton as good as he is, (Thank you Alex Gibbs and the ZBS) was drafted as a change of pace, 3rd down back. Slaton was only able to manage 9TDs because he was ineffective in short yardage and the red zone. Assuming you can plug in any 215+ lb back you can draft in the 5th RD is risky and has a higher rate of failure. I would rather take a back like Greene who ran for 100 yds every game and who got 851 yds after contact. So what if Greene were to become a better back than Slaton, that's not a bad thing. What if Slaton goes down, would you rather have Greene or Gartner?

[lilbush]

AAAHHHHH .....but if Greene can get you another 10-15 TDs and 25-30 1st downs a year, then a 2nd RD pick would be well worth it. Slaton as good as he is, (Thank you Alex Gibbs and the ZBS) was drafted as a change of pace, 3rd down back. Slaton was only able to manage 9TDs because he was ineffective in short yardage and the red zone. Assuming you can plug in any 215+ lb back you can draft in the 5th RD is risky and has a higher rate of failure. I would rather take a back like Greene who ran for 100 yds every game and who got 851 yds after contact. So what if Greene were to become a better back than Slaton, that's not a bad thing. What if Slaton goes down, would you rather have Greene or Gartner?

I agree with you. I really want Greene. I am sure people will disagree, but I believe he will be the best pro RB that comes from the draft. My only problem is our starting FS will be sitting there in the second round. Can we afford to pass on a solid safety? I want to see if STL tags Atogwe. If we can snag him...I want Greene in the 2nd!!! (TEXIAN what happend to your mock sig???)

[playa465]

I would still like to see them take a flier on Eric Kettani out of Navy.

He may be decent but I wouldn't want us to draft any academy players...first thing you gonna have to do is "HOPE" they get a release/deferment from their service committment or that they are in the reserves...either way they could miss time.

[NBT]

Shonn Green may go in the second round but it is a little far fetched to believe he will still be around at the 47th pick in this Draft.