SAGE to be cut?

[BATTL3_R3D]

I got 3 calls in 30 min from friends who had been listening to the radio. They said they hear Sage is on the cutting block is J-Zab looks at all like a #2 or 3 QB.
They didn't mention a station, just they heard it. I am not a huge Sage fan, but I figured he'd be gone next season...not just yet.


Anyone else hear this?

[Zagen30]

I find this hard to believe. Basically every team needs an experienced QB on their roster in the top 2 on the depth chart: either an experienced starter teaching the younger backup, or a younger backup being mentored by the experienced starter. I would think that having two inexperienced QBs would be like the blind leading the blind- neither of them can really teach the other about NFL situations. Seeing as how Schaub has 2 starts and Zabransky's a rookie, I am highly skeptical of Kubiak dumping Sage. Plus he looked okay when he had to come in last year, and I'd certainly be more comfortable with Sage filling in in a pinch than Big Z (not that I don't like Zabransky).
And why is this in the College board? Shouldn't it be in the Bull Pen?

[Wolf123]

NO way we cut him, kubiak loves him.

[Keyfro]

no way we are cutting sage at this point...zabransky isn't that good...he wasn't good enough to get drafted...some scouts still doubt that he'll be able to play QB in the pros...personally i wasn't too impressed with him even in the bowl game against OU...i thought the play calls and the team effort got his team the victory not his play at QB...so i believe this rumor to be nothing more than just a rumor

[Super Mario Bros]

i find this really hard to believe.
rosenfels is better than carr for christ sakes.

[BATTL3_R3D]

Thats what I figure, not being a huge Sage fan(never given me a reason to be)...I figured I'd ask.

I do see him gone next year in a trade or we take a QB in the 5th-7th. Really depends on how well Matt plays. If he plays well, with 4yrs NFL experience, then I see a move being made to get rid of a Sage. Till then, I figure it is a rumor based on J-Zab being picked up.

Strange things happen in the NFL, but till next year I doubt he will be traded or cut. Now, next year, I do see it.

[Zagen30]

Thats what I figure, not being a huge Sage fan(never given me a reason to be)...I figured I'd ask.

I do see him gone next year in a trade or we take a QB in the 5th-7th. Really depends on how well Matt plays. If he plays well, with 4yrs NFL experience, then I see a move being made to get rid of a Sage. Till then, I figure it is a rumor based on J-Zab being picked up.

Strange things happen in the NFL, but till next year I doubt he will be traded or cut. Now, next year, I do see it.

Sage only seems to last 3 years per team, so he might stick around next season if Schaub doesn't do great. But if Schaub does look really good, then he'll probably be experienced enough to not need a veteran backup. I wouldn't mind Schaub as the Pro-Bowl-caliber starter and Big Z as the backup.

[TiredofSuffering]

If we cut him after the trouble we went through to get him, and eat MORE cap room up with all the dead money we already have I will blow a gasket.

[Zagen30]

If we cut him after the trouble we went through to get him, and eat MORE cap room up with all the dead money we already have I will blow a gasket.

What trouble are you talking about? Didn't we acquire him as a free agent? And I don't think he's costing us all that much money, he was signed to be the backup, and he's always been a backup.

[johndoe]

we better not cut him... if schaub gets hurt who would play, zabransky???? wed be SOL... sage needs to stay right where he is. go texans[Y]

[Whiskeyrbl]

I think someone misunderstood what was said. I can't see them cutting him this year. Like other people here have said it would not make sense to cut a guy with NFL experience and leave it up to a rook if Schaub goes down.

[nycboisefan]

no way we are cutting sage at this point...zabransky isn't that good...he wasn't good enough to get drafted...some scouts still doubt that he'll be able to play QB in the pros...personally i wasn't too impressed with him even in the bowl game against OU...i thought the play calls and the team effort got his team the victory not his play at QB...so i believe this rumor to be nothing more than just a rumor


I know nothing about the rumor but are you seriously trying to state that Zabransky didn't play well in the Fiesta Bowl. Did you forget he was named MVP of that game. Z made only one bad play the whole night with the pick 6, but unlike 99% of QB's that would have imploded at that moment (Tony Romo) thinking they just blew the game, Zabransky put pass after pass on the money with under a minute left in the game, even the ones that were dropped leading up to the 4th and 18. On the hook and ladder, Z fired a strike and within seconds was trailing the play to receive a pitch if necessary. The guy brings a winning attitude to a team that is used to losing. Don't sweep him under the rug just because he went undrafted. The NFL is littered with UDFA's that have had solid careers. I believe Jeff Garcia was one and Z compares very similarly to him.

[threetoedpete]

no way we are cutting sage at this point...zabransky isn't thatgood...he wasn't good enough to get drafted...some scouts still doubtthat he'll be able to play QB in the pros...personally i wasn't tooimpressed with him even in the bowl game against OU...i thought theplay calls and the team effort got his team the victory not his play atQB...so i believe this rumor to be nothing more than just a rumor


I know nothing about the rumor but are you seriously trying to statethat Zabransky didn't play well in the Fiesta Bowl. Did youforget he was named MVP of that game. Z made only one bad playthe whole night with the pick 6, but unlike 99% of QB's that would haveimploded at that moment (Tony Romo) thinking they just blew thegame, Zabransky put pass after pass on the money with under a minuteleft in the game, even the ones that were dropped leading up to the 4thand 18. On the hook and ladder, Z fired a strike and withinseconds was trailing the play to receive a pitch if necessary. The guybrings a winning attitude to a team that is used to losing. Don'tsweep him under the rug just because he went undrafted. The NFLis littered with UDFA's that have had solid careers. I believeJeff Garcia was one and Z compares very similarly to him.


Well all I KNOW is it is a very large casim from college ball to thepros. Mr Z had a very nice game/season and I do like his intagebles.However, there is NO WAY Smith and Kuback will gamble like this with anentire season with OLT far from a done deal. Rosenfeilds isn'tgoing anywhere.. Z on the other hand looks like excellent PS fodder tome. If he makes it, very big IF at this point, that's his spot onthe roster. They have the option-Luxuary of carring an extra practicesquad QB.Someone likes the film on him and likes his attitude. That gothis foot in the door. Three QBs would have to go down befor he sees thefeild in '07. And even then then, there would have to be no otherviable option out there for Smith to bring in someone off the street..If "Z" is starting for us means we're now in the Darrin McFaddinsweeps.

You can tell us another one now.

[nycboisefan]

no way we are cutting sage at this point...zabransky isn't that good...he wasn't good enough to get drafted...some scouts still doubt that he'll be able to play QB in the pros...personally i wasn't too impressed with him even in the bowl game against OU...i thought the play calls and the team effort got his team the victory not his play at QB...so i believe this rumor to be nothing more than just a rumor


I know nothing about the rumor but are you seriously trying to state that Zabransky didn't play well in the Fiesta Bowl. Did you forget he was named MVP of that game. Z made only one bad play the whole night with the pick 6, but unlike 99% of QB's that would have imploded at that moment (Tony Romo) thinking they just blew the game, Zabransky put pass after pass on the money with under a minute left in the game, even the ones that were dropped leading up to the 4th and 18. On the hook and ladder, Z fired a strike and within seconds was trailing the play to receive a pitch if necessary. The guy brings a winning attitude to a team that is used to losing. Don't sweep him under the rug just because he went undrafted. The NFL is littered with UDFA's that have had solid careers. I believe Jeff Garcia was one and Z compares very similarly to him.


Well all I KNOW is it is a very large casim from college ball to the pros. Mr Z had a very nice game/season and I do like his intagebles. However, there is NO WAY Smith and Kuback will gamble like this with an entire season with OLT far from a done deal. Rosenfeilds isn't going anywhere.. Z on the other hand looks like excellent PS fodder to me. If he makes it, very big IF at this point, that's his spot on the roster. They have the option-Luxuary of carring an extra practice squad QB.Someone likes the film on him and likes his attitude. That got his foot in the door. Three QBs would have to go down befor he sees the feild in '07. And even then then, there would have to be no other viable option out there for Smith to bring in someone off the street.. If "Z" is starting for us means we're now in the Darrin McFaddin sweeps.

You can tell us another one now.

Easy Partner. I said nothing of Zabransky starting. But as an undrafted free agent, Zabransky had other offers and he chose to be a Texan. Looking at your current crop of QB's there isn't one that has any real success in the NFL as a starting QB. He is way better than your current 3rd string QB and from his numbers at the combine alone he is the most athletic of the bunch. With a suspect O-line it will be interesting to see him pass and scramble on the run if he gets a shot in the preseason.

[ObsiWan]

i find this really hard to believe.
rosenfels is better than carr for christ sakes.

You got that right!

[Zagen30]

no way we are cutting sage at this point...zabransky isn't that good...he wasn't good enough to get drafted...some scouts still doubt that he'll be able to play QB in the pros...personally i wasn't too impressed with him even in the bowl game against OU...i thought the play calls and the team effort got his team the victory not his play at QB...so i believe this rumor to be nothing more than just a rumor


I know nothing about the rumor but are you seriously trying to state that Zabransky didn't play well in the Fiesta Bowl. Did you forget he was named MVP of that game. Z made only one bad play the whole night with the pick 6, but unlike 99% of QB's that would have imploded at that moment (Tony Romo) thinking they just blew the game, Zabransky put pass after pass on the money with under a minute left in the game, even the ones that were dropped leading up to the 4th and 18. On the hook and ladder, Z fired a strike and within seconds was trailing the play to receive a pitch if necessary. The guy brings a winning attitude to a team that is used to losing. Don't sweep him under the rug just because he went undrafted. The NFL is littered with UDFA's that have had solid careers. I believe Jeff Garcia was one and Z compares very similarly to him.


Well all I KNOW is it is a very large casim from college ball to the pros. Mr Z had a very nice game/season and I do like his intagebles. However, there is NO WAY Smith and Kuback will gamble like this with an entire season with OLT far from a done deal. Rosenfeilds isn't going anywhere.. Z on the other hand looks like excellent PS fodder to me. If he makes it, very big IF at this point, that's his spot on the roster. They have the option-Luxuary of carring an extra practice squad QB.Someone likes the film on him and likes his attitude. That got his foot in the door. Three QBs would have to go down befor he sees the feild in '07. And even then then, there would have to be no other viable option out there for Smith to bring in someone off the street.. If "Z" is starting for us means we're now in the Darrin McFaddin sweeps.

You can tell us another one now.

Easy Partner. I said nothing of Zabransky starting. But as an undrafted free agent, Zabransky had other offers and he chose to be a Texan. Looking at your current crop of QB's there isn't one that has any real success in the NFL as a starting QB. He is way better than your current 3rd string QB and from his numbers at the combine alone he is the most athletic of the bunch. With a suspect O-line it will be interesting to see him pass and scramble on the run if he gets a shot in the preseason.

I'd love for him to be the third stringer, but as the #2? That concerns me. I'd prefer a veteran presence stepping in if Schaub goes down (knock on wood), not a gutsy yet raw UDFA. Maybe if we're doing lousily and there's like 1 game left and no shot at the playoffs (I seriously hope not), maybe then you give him a start just for fun, but if the game's close, I want Sage in there if Matt can't be.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: only in Madden can you be comfortable with two inexperienced QB's as the starter and backup.

[threetoedpete]

"I want Sage in there if Matt can't be."

Agreed.

The only way I can see a deal like this happening, day dreamreally...if sheriff Rodger brings the whip down hard on Mr. Vick andhis kennel operation and Atlanta offers the farm for Sage. Accroding toMiami a Vet QB isn't worth a future sixeth round pick. But if they cameknocking, offering two day one picks for Sage, wouldn't you have toconsider it ? We get the '08 two back plus another pick...lots of chipson the OLT is all I know. Schaub gets hurt early we'd see the '07season slowly circling the drain without Sage. But the DC deal wouldcome out as a switch for Schaub plus gaining a shot at a prospect. Idunno if that's worth a season. Have to be a really sweet pot to pullthe trigger on that if it was me. Could be Atlanta IS in the same boatwe'd be in without Sage if Vick is banned for the season. They may beforced to start a journeyman. Maybe Gruden comes out of the dealsmelling like a rose. His collection of QBs might pay off.

[daynebum]

i guess everyone forgot about Quinton Porter....if Sage is let go, Qp will be the 2nd QB not J-Zab. He's practice squad all the way.

[SuperstarII]

I got 3 calls in 30 min from friends who had been listening to the radio. They said they hear Sage is on the cutting block is J-Zab looks at all like a #2 or 3 QB.
They didn't mention a station, just they heard it. I am not a huge Sage fan, but I figured he'd be gone next season...not just yet.


Anyone else hear this?


Just sounds like a bunch of ploy from Zambranksy fans to get him to move up to #2 status then they will try and put pressure on Schaub if they succeed.

[ObsiWan]

I got 3 calls in 30 min from friends who had been listening to the radio. They said they hear Sage is on the cutting block is J-Zab looks at all like a #2 or 3 QB.
They didn't mention a station, just they heard it. I am not a huge Sage fan, but I figured he'd be gone next season...not just yet.
Anyone else hear this?

Just sounds like a bunch of ploy from Zambranksy fans to get him to move up to #2 status then they will try and put pressure on Schaub if they succeed.

I'm with you, SuperstarII. (a) Nobody else on these boards says they heard it. (b) The people who supposedly did hear it conveniently don't remember what station it was so no one can call in and check it out.

LOL! Sounds like BULL$#!+ to me.
Now if one were going to invent a rumor to spread around, it should have been...
"ROSENFELS REQUESTS TRADE!
THOUGHT HE SHOULD BE GIVEN A SHOT AT #1 QB SPOT UPON CARR'S DEPARTURE"
Now that I would have bought into. ...but CUT?! Naaaah...

[texans83]

I got 3 calls in 30 min from friends who had been listening to the radio. They said they hear Sage is on the cutting block is J-Zab looks at all like a #2 or 3 QB.
They didn't mention a station, just they heard it. I am not a huge Sage fan, but I figured he'd be gone next season...not just yet.
Anyone else hear this?

Just sounds like a bunch of ploy from Zambranksy fans to get him to move up to #2 status then they will try and put pressure on Schaub if they succeed.

I'm with you, SuperstarII. (a) Nobody else on these boards says they heard it. (b) The people who supposedly did hear it conveniently don't remember what station it was so no one can call in and check it out.

LOL! Sounds like BULL$#!+ to me.
Now if one were going to invent a rumor to spread around, it should have been...
"ROSENFELS REQUESTS TRADE!
THOUGHT HE SHOULD BE GIVEN A SHOT AT #1 QB SPOT UPON CARR'S DEPARTURE"
Now that I would have bought into. ...but CUT?! Naaaah...

dont give them any ideas

[Zagen30]

i guess everyone forgot about Quinton Porter....if Sage is let go, Qp will be the 2nd QB not J-Zab. He's practice squad all the way.
And you'd feel that much more comfortable with Porter starting in case of injury than Big Z? If anything, I'd feel more comfortable with Z. Did Porter do anything of note in college? At least Zabransky was on a good team and did something of note in a big spot. And 1 year of practice squadding, and a so far unremarkable stint in NFLE doesn't make him that much more NFL-ready than Big Z.
Don't forget the immortal Bradlee Van Pelt, though. Real Tom Brady-like stud there.

[petedy]

Who knows what these people will do? Sage was unhappy they brought in Schaub because he was promised the starters job if they got rid of Carr. Maybe you all trust Kubiak but I find it hard to do that. He made promises to a lot of players and they are all gone with the latest being Kalie Wong.This doesn't mean the team won't improve with him but that to trust his word is a little hard to trust.This might be what Sage sees and may want to be traded or released. This is similar to what Carr wanted.

[Zagen30]

Where did Kubiak ever promise Sage the starting job? If anything, I think at this point Sage should resign himself to his fate as a career backup, someone you want on the bench but not out on the field. And what did he promise to Kailee?

[ObsiWan]

Who knows what these people will do? Sage was unhappy they brought in Schaub because he was promised the starters job if they got rid of Carr. Maybe you all trust Kubiak but I find it hard to do that. He made promises to a lot of players and they are all gone with the latest being Kalie Wong.This doesn't mean the team won't improve with him but that to trust his word is a little hard to trust.This might be what Sage sees and may want to be traded or released. This is similar to what Carr wanted.
The days of promised starting jobs are OVER! Its earn your keep around here now. And I, for one, am glad. Let the cream rise to the top.
Yeah, Sage was disappointed, someone asked him that when Schaub first got here and he said as much. But he also said he'd stay ready to step in when needed. But Sage is in no position to make trade demands. And cutting him makes no sense.
Reread my post. I said IF one was going to start rumors, the one I made up held more water than the one about them up and cutting Sage before OTAs were even over.

[shawn76ers]

this is a BS rumor

IMO...Sage is the best QB on this team, he was **** impressive last year, while subbin for sucky carr.
Sage would be a starter on most teams. Not completly sold on Schaub yet.

There is no fact to this rumor, sounds like Zabransky is making some post on this MB

[caddy]

Everyone calm down. With the Iron man gone... there will be plenty of playing for all of our QB's. The O-line will see to that.

[BATTL3_R3D]

this is a BS rumor

IMO...Sage is the best QB on this team, he was **** impressive last year, while subbin for sucky carr.
Sage would be a starter on most teams. Not completly sold on Schaub yet.

There is no fact to this rumor, sounds like Zabransky is making some post on this MB



I REALLY hope you don't belive that. Sage ofcourse looked better than DC did...my grandmother could of done that. In the NFL Sage has yet to win a starters job...EVER. In Miami, after Marino left, they had crap, and the crap beat out Sage. And the crap he didn't beat out...some are 3rd string, some back ups, and some gone. Yet, Sage couldn't beat them out.

BTW, 610AM reported the rumor Sage was to be cut. They mentioned Porter and Z and said they felt Houston could maybe pick up a 4th for Sage. And a 4th would help with the two 2nds we traded for Matt.
I bet you Sage will not be here next season. He has never shown me anything, even when he has played here...nothing huge to make me care if he is on the roster.

[ObsiWan]

BTW, 610AM reported the rumor Sage was to be cut. They mentioned Porter and Z and said they felt Houston could maybe pick up a 4th for Sage. And a 4th would help with the two 2nds we traded for Matt.
Well that makes a bit more sense than Sage just being cut. But I still won't believe until I see it.
Was this some inside scoop they had or were they just playing a "what-if" game?

[Keyfro]

i still don't see the logic to cutting sage or trading him...porter hasn't exactly been solid in his NFLE season and zabransky is an udfa...he's not a polished QB...and he's not a guy i would want starting for this franchise...in this league you need an experienced back up QB so i see no reason what so ever to getting rid of rosenfels...he's too valuable to us at this point in the game

[BATTL3_R3D]

Perhaps they feel they can get a good back up with a trade or something, plus a 4th rd pick. It wasn't a what if, it was what the "insider" was talking about. Kubes was up later and asked about it...he said he didn't really have a comment. He said only he was confident Matt can perform and will be a great fit for the team. That was all...not a very compelling "no way we wouldn't cut him".

I still agree 1 more year and then he'll be gone. They could probably get the guy who beat him in Miami(Feely(sp)) for Sage and a 4th...so don't be shocked if it hppens.

But, this time next year I don't see him here. He may even want out. Remember he felt very good right before DC got axed. Then out of nowhere Kubes says he is a leader...then they sign Matt. That would be a huge slap in an NFL players face...and it would make a reloction something to consider.

[Keyfro]

how did some of ya'll come up with a 4th rounder for compensation?
take into consideration that guys like mark brunnell a proven winner at the time of his trade only was valued for a 3rd rounder...we couldn't get anything in a trade for david carr...rosenfels has never been a starter always a back-up and is not somebody that most of the league considers to be in the same mold of matt schaub...a back up who can start...you don't spend a 4th round pick in a trade for a back-up QB...you spend maybe a 7th rounder and that's if your desperate for a back up...at this point most teams already have their QB situation figured out...including who is the back up...i don't see anything happening

[Zagen30]

how did some of ya'll come up with a 4th rounder for compensation?
take into consideration that guys like mark brunnell a proven winner at the time of his trade only was valued for a 3rd rounder...we couldn't get anything in a trade for david carr...rosenfels has never been a starter always a back-up and is not somebody that most of the league considers to be in the same mold of matt schaub...a back up who can start...you don't spend a 4th round pick in a trade for a back-up QB...you spend maybe a 7th rounder and that's if your desperate for a back up...at this point most teams already have their QB situation figured out...including who is the back up...i don't see anything happening

And we all know that Washington likes to overpay in either money, draft picks, or both for veterans with questionable remaining skills.

[VivaLaTexans]

no way in hell that happens

[El Tejano]

Not say I agree with the idea of cutting Rosenfelts but I can see why. Bradlee Van Pelt is a former Bronco QB, he's played in the system before, Kubiak drafted, younger and has a set of wheels on him. If he can show that he is working out better than Sage (wouldn't be hard to do as he has experience in the system) then you have Van Pelt backing up Schaub and Port and Zabranksy fighting for the 3rd position.

[BATTL3_R3D]

Thats my point after i heard it. Why keep him when he was almost told he would start. Then in comes Matt, back to the bench Sage. Then we pick up Z, as a project/3rd QB. Sage may want out as the writing on the walls in his head may say thats what the team is saying. And We have a QB that knows the system should Matt go down.

[Footballz]

Sage needs to stay!

[HydrOshocK]

I'm not a big Sage fan but I don't see any reason to let him go. There's NO WAY we get a 4th for him....notice how much trouble the Dolphins are having getting Trent Green from KC? And all they're asking for is a 5th. Green is a proven winner and Sage is a career backup.
I can understand if maybe Sage is the one wanting out now that Schaub is here. We were very close to having a QB change for good last season until Sage got hurt. He probably thought he was in line for the starting job this season if Carr stayed and didn't play well again.

[ObsiWan]

What should happen is we put a restriction tag (or whatever the right term is) on Sage so that if he goes elsewhere during his RFA year we get compensated.
But I don't see any of the moves you guys are talking about happening this year.
Next year is a different story. We have to see if Zabransky picks up the offense and if he, Porter, or Van Pelt can step up to be a reliable #2.

[ObsiWan]

I'm not a big Sage fan but I don't see any reason to let him go. There's NO WAY we get a 4th for him....notice how much trouble the Dolphins are having getting Trent Green from KC? And all they're asking for is a 5th. Green is a proven winner and Sage is a career backup.
I can understand if maybe Sage is the one wanting out now that Schaub is here. We were very close to having a QB change for good last season until Sage got hurt. He probably thought he was in line for the starting job this season if Carr stayed and didn't play well again.
When did that change? KC wanted a 4th and Miami was offering a 6th. You'd think they'd split the diff and arrive at a 5th, but KC president, Carl Peterson, has been "out of the country" so no further dealing has been done.

[infantrycak]

What should happen is we put a restriction tag (or whatever the right term is) on Sage so that if he goes elsewhere during his RFA year we get compensated.



Sage is going into his 7th NFL season. RFA only applies to players not under contract with less than 4 accrued seasons. The only tags he is subject to are franchise and transition and the Texans will never pay him that much.

[aj]

RFA only applies to players not under contract with less than 4 accrued seasons.

RFA applies to players with at least 3 but less than 4 accrued seasons whose contracts have expired (in a capped year).
http://www.nflpa.org/cba/cba_pdf/Article_XIX_Veteran_Free_Agency.pdf
(Section 2)

[Houston_Fanatic]

Everyone calm down. With the Iron man gone... there will be plenty of playing for all of our QB's. The O-line will see to that.

Your Iron Man won't have to worry about that this year while he's holding that clipboard *snicker*

http://boards.houstontexans.com/forums/thread/26870.aspx

Our O-Line is better than Atlanta's so our Shaubie should feel right at home.


GO TEXANS!!!!