Beanie Wells?

[D-DRAMATIC-1]

Maybe this is outlandish and I'm just out in left field here BUT...

it seems that everyone was pretty much was on board with Diles and Adibi last year, as well as the backups that we had. However, NOBODY was happy with our running back situation (Green, Brown, Taylor - NOT Slaton, of course!) and has NEVER been happy with it because it has NEVER been good (Overall).

With that said, since the FS,SS,CB draft is terrible value-wise at 15, since the top OL will be gone, since WR, TE are off the board and DE is no longer a MUST draft....then...

why is Beanie Wells not even being talked about as an option? Why is that we are DESTINED to take a risky OLB? Clay Matthews at 15? Come on! Seriously? Cushing, MAYBE!! But Wells is the TOP RB in the draft and nobody's considering him for the Texans? We have ONE running back - - ONE!! We just brought in Cedric freaking Benson, for Pete's sake...

How do you not go to war with Wells and Slaton, and hell, even line them up in the same backfield?

Seriously, I'm not looking for some troll to explain it. I mean, someone with some good insight as to whether it's just me or there may be another reason (And please not the 'We don't draft running backs high' reply) :)

Thanks...
MM

[steleehin]

maybe because he would cost too much for a position in which we are looking for a backup in.

[TexansRage123]

ive already brought up wells to people on this forum..but they believe slaton is an every down back....i believe he will be injured soon if we force him to run every down...next year....i would love to see us pick up chris "beanie" wells....but then again id also like to see us trade our 1st rounder for two 2nd rounders....

[B.Diddy]

I was actully saying that all last season......The thought of beanie wells coming in to spell steve slation would give us the number 1 offense in the League. We are already explosive with a guy like that we would be unstoppable and our red zone offense would get a big lift. I even remember Andre Ward from 610 saying this guy would be perfect for the texans.

[D-DRAMATIC-1]

maybe because he would cost too much for a position in which we are looking for a backup in.

I agree that we're 'looking' for a backup but the backup BECOMES the starter when the starter goes down. Every starter gets nicked up and banged up, that's why running teams hit you with two backs, not one.

The Giants were running Brandon Jacobs AND Ward. Jacobs only broke the 20-carry mark like 4 times ALL YEAR. A powerful, stiff-arming back with speed who is a "ONE-CUT" back we now can't afford? But we can afford a rookie OLB who most likely will NOT beat out Adibi and will certainly not beat out Diles, as it stands now.

Drafting a DE, I can see that...but we just got a 3-down DE who is a fulltime starter. With that said, there's not stud at 15 that says we MUST take him so why not go ahead and shore up our running back position for the next 5-6 years instead of talking to a Benson, and then a Taylor, and then an EDGE, and then a Deuce...

Why not just draft a possible franchise back and split carries and pound the ball over....and over....and over...and over?

[steleehin]

well if we arent trading down and he is available ,couldnt hurt .
2 young studs at running back would we great

[canadtexan]

ive already brought up wells to people on this forum..but they believe slaton is an every down back....i believe he will be injured soon if we force him to run every down...next year....i would love to see us pick up chris "beanie" wells....but then again id also like to see us trade our 1st rounder for two 2nd rounders....
BPA for our needs and if running is one of our needs ...so be it. We were fortunate to get the mileage out of Slaton that we did. Most teams have two quality and a decent 3rd running back,we have Slaton,thank God but that is it. I will get poopooed for saying ok to a running back in the first IF we have to and only if. For me a trade down filling OLB,a run stuffer in 2 of our first 3 picks.I have the utmost of faith in the FO draft ability so let the cards fall where they may ! PS we would look silly if we could not get the coach's nephew via a trade down. Matthews will be a Texan !

[Heresy]

Injury-prone, does a lot of his damage against inferior competition. Psychologically, I'm not sure if he can handle not being the main guy, and physically i'm not sure if he can handle being a potent weapon for a 16 game season.

[da sheetz]

Not a bad idea imo. Im for it, many championship caliber teams have two main strengths defense and a superior running game we really couldnt go wrong with shoring up our running backs, and really i dont see much value at the 15 spot for an olb or db. Honestly i wasnt that impressed with vontae davis during his combine workouts. The only player I was really really impressed with was Aaron Curry but he will not fall. ohh and one more thing why is everyone questioning slatons toughness he was playing a little dinged up at the end of last season but you couldnt tell the man never missed a step. He's a gamer!!

[houstonsportsfan09]

Wouldnt mind him, but doubtful we take him. Dont ask me why because I dont know but I just think its doubtful we draft him. But as I was saying, I wouldnt mind him. As they say, its good to have a 2 RBs in the backfield, where technically no one is a backup. They split the carries and refresh each other.

[D-DRAMATIC-1]

Injury-prone, does a lot of his damage against inferior competition. Psychologically, I'm not sure if he can handle not being the main guy, and physically i'm not sure if he can handle being a potent weapon for a 16 game season.


Psychologically? Seriously? Based on what? He carried the ball about 30 times per game ON the ROAD. Inferior or not, you carry 30 times for 185 yards, that's called good...in any book. He's the top rated back this year bar NONE!

And being Injury prone? Meaning, he is prone to being injured? Are you refering to an Adrian Peterson/Jonathan Stewart type of injury-prone back or the Chris Wells type of back who's missed 3 game in 3 years?

I'm seriously just not following you. Look, when you run like an animal for 28-32 carries a game, you're going to nicked up, yeah. But what does that mean to us? Jonathan Stewart was drafted WHILE he was injured. Wells would NEVER carry 30 times a game for us because NO BACK carries that much. Brandon Jacobs averaged about 17-18 carries a game.

Ryan Moats is our # - freaking - 2 back!

Adrian Peterson, Chester Taylor
Fred Taylor, Maurice Jones-Drew
Marion Barber, Felix Jones
Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts
Brandon Jacobs, Ahmad Bradshaw
Michael Turner, Jerious Norwood
Willis McGahee, Ray Rice
Willie Parker, Rashard Mendenhall

and...

Steve Slaton, Ryan MOATS????? or some hack we draft in the 5th rd because we run the ZB scheme and we need a 5th OLB? I guess I'm just lost on this then... I did say Ryan Moats, right? Not Chris Brown, Ahman, Taylor, Dayne, Walker, or Sapp? Is it too much to ask for a stud #2...err...stud 1A running back for once in our franchise's history?

[taylor90]

wells is not injury prone, he had a painful injury in the begining of this past season..so one injury makes him is injury prone?..o well okoye is injury prone, so is andre johnson, demeco ryans, oh and so are peyton manning and tom brady:rolleyes:

but i dont see the texans going for a rb in the first it is possible that wells or knowshon drop to the second but imo neither one are worth the 15th pick. if we traded down to the 20-25th pick i wouldnt mind one of them tho

[houstonsportsfan09]

Psychologically? Seriously? Based on what? He carried the ball about 30 times per game ON the ROAD. Inferior or not, you carry 30 times for 185 yards, that's called good...in any book. He's the top rated back this year bar NONE!

And being Injury prone? Meaning, he is prone to being injured? Are you refering to an Adrian Peterson/Jonathan Stewart type of injury-prone back or the Chris Wells type of back who's missed 3 game in 3 years?

I'm seriously just not following you. Look, when you run like an animal for 28-32 carries a game, you're going to nicked up, yeah. But what does that mean to us? Jonathan Stewart was drafted WHILE he was injured. Wells would NEVER carry 30 times a game for us because NO BACK carries that much. Brandon Jacobs averaged about 17-18 carries a game.

Ryan Moats is our # - freaking - 2 back!

Adrian Peterson, Chester Taylor
Fred Taylor, Maurice Jones-Drew is no more
Marion Barber, Felix Jones
Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts
Brandon Jacobs, Ahmad Bradshaw
Michael Turner, Jerious Norwood
Willis McGahee, Ray Rice
Willie Parker, Rashard Mendenhall

and...

Steve Slaton, Ryan MOATS????? or some hack we draft in the 5th rd because we run the ZB scheme and we need a 5th OLB? I guess I'm just lost on this then... I did say Ryan Moats, right? Not Chris Brown, Ahman, Taylor, Dayne, Walker, or Sapp? Is it too much to ask for a stud #2...err...stud 1A running back for once in our franchise's history?

Jones is all alone as they released Taylor and is in NE now

[TexansRage123]

we will get a big back...he will be unknown and he will reak havoc among our opponents...muahahahaha....

[tx_tuff]

A good smart NFL decision maker will draft a good RB in the 3rd or 4th round for us. No need to get one sooner. Slaton is proof of that as well many other top NFL RB's. Use our best picks to get the BDPA and make our defense a killer one. Even if trading down helps. Moats is a good RB but we need 3 good RB's. Tired of having a stable of old has beens that dont cut the mustard anymore. Just fill up those positions with young studs that can learn the system and learn the NFL game. One day they will be called upon and it will pay off.


Thank you thank you thank you!! I agree. And besides we need help on defense. So draft for needs, I hope they draft defense with at least their first 3 rounds and one of the 4th round picks.

[Clamp]

I agree, running back is a position that MUST be addressed, whether it be high or low. If we draft a quality back and one quality interior lineman that can beat out one of the starters we have (preferably a center, but a guard will do) our offense is money.

Defense I think will benefit tremendously if this new philosophy pans out, but we are still atleast 2 strong draft picks away from being top 10-15.

Personally i would rather have a GOOD (top 5) offense and an average (top 20) defense than an above average (top 15) offense and above average defense (top 15). I know our offense was ranked high last year in a few categories, but the score is what decides the games, and in that category we were seriously lacking. If we cant do that then we cant win. I guess what i am trying to say is that if neither side of the ball can be great, then I would rather 1 side be as close as it can get and we can work on the other as we go.

[TransplantTexan1]

Wells would obviously be an ideal power back for the Texans to complement Slaton but he's going to cost too much given what the Texans want to invest in the position as well as their other needs.

I'd be surprised if they went that route, especially if it means a first round pick (which most certainly will).

I'm thinking power back would be the focus come the third round.

[texun]

To answer your question I think we need only look at Slaton last year. We drafted him in the middle of the 3rd round and he was one of the best RB's in the league. I think we can do it again so why should we use a first round pick when we can use a 3rd?

Running back is considered one of the easiest positions to transition from college to the pros and have an immediate impact.

[LONESTARFBODY15]

anymore in the NFL you have to have 2 backs that can be an every down back. Wells or Moreno would be a pretty good move at 15 I'd have to say. :)

[D-DRAMATIC-1]

Thank you thank you thank you!! I agree. And besides we need help on defense. So draft for needs, I hope they draft defense with at least their first 3 rounds and one of the 4th round picks.


Using Slaton as an example of how you can get a good back in the 3rd round is not very accurate. I mean, I could say that Peterson is a good example or LT is a good example of what happens when use a 1st round pick. We could do that all day...

Is there a DB, S, DT, OLB, DE that fills a need on our team moreso than a stud running back? If we sign a DE, OLB, CB, etc...in free agency, are you all saying that we MUST STILL draft defense even if the players aren't that great? We should draft a CB simply because we SHOULD NOT draft an RB? We should NOT shore up a position that has needed to be shored up from day 1? Instead, we should roll the dice and hope that we find another Slaton diamond inthe rough in the 3rd - 4th round?

We have 2 starting corners and 2 young backups.
We have 2 starting DE's.
We have 3 starting LB's...basically.
We DO need safety help but there's not one in this draft worth a dime.
We have 1 single back who WILL get hurt and who WILL need to get subbed for and we're hoping that we can draft a 4th rounder that will step in and wreak havoc and inspire shock and awe in our opponents (As they drop back in to coverage and giggle!) Why not have a stud back like Wells and GO TO BATTLE?

Here's my question - would we take Stewart, Deangelo, Norwood, etc...at #15 right now knowing what we know? 100 out of 100 times we would. So, if Wells is there, why don't we just join the party and get a HORSE who without question is our THUNDER.

Expensive? Well, I'd have to reply to that with.......so? So was Ahman...why not get one that works! :D

[El Tejano]

I think when it comes to Wells, it is a durability issue. He tends to look or be out of shape. Now you can fix that, but you could also get one that doesn't need that to be fixed.

[srstex]

Let's see, draft a RB in the first, pay him more than Slayton with his 1,000 yards in the NFL to build up a top 3 offense in yards & passing, or help our 25th ranked D. Unless Jim Brown reincarnate is there, you go for the D. An earlier post showed 2 RB 2DE and so on, and listed 3 LB, that right there says that LB is a need. The D is in need of more talent, on the line, in the back field, and in the linebacking core, let's face it you need backups at every position not just RB. Ryans was a second round pick, and maybe there is someone out there with his passion as well. There is no roll of the dice here, that's how Casserly used to pick guys not Smith, so I have faith, D for the first two picks-or just food for thought move up for _____ < your pick here.

[D-DRAMATIC-1]

Let's see, draft a RB in the first, pay him more than Slayton with his 1,000 yards in the NFL to build up a top 3 offense in yards & passing, or help our 25th ranked D. Unless Jim Brown reincarnate is there, you go for the D. An earlier post showed 2 RB 2DE and so on, and listed 3 LB, that right there says that LB is a need. The D is in need of more talent, on the line, in the back field, and in the linebacking core, let's face it you need backups at every position not just RB. Ryans was a second round pick, and maybe there is someone out there with his passion as well. There is no roll of the dice here, that's how Casserly used to pick guys not Smith, so I have faith, D for the first two picks-or just food for thought move up for _____ < your pick here.

Re-reading my posts, I can see that I've gone a bit too much in defense of Wells. I'm a RUN/Defense type of cat but I guess what I meant was that in the draft, I agree that...

we should draft a DE...but now we have one--
we should draft an OLB...but we may have one (Burnett)
we should draft a corner/ safety but there are none there worth that price.
we should draft a DT, but again, not worth that price.
What other areas are we lacking in?
Running Back...

We can't NOT draft a top flight back because he may make more than Slaton. Plus, how MANY times must we go through this red-zone crap? It's EVERY YEAR, we can't pound the ball into the end-zone. I just don't think rolling the dice on a 4th rounder to be our goal-line back is smart when you have the #1 back on the board and he is a 1-cut, good vision, strong, powerful, heavy back and that is EXACTLY what the teams needs! We are all going to moan and groan about our 1A RB situation, especially at the goal line, when we don't have one. All I'm saying is if in Free Agency you get everything you would've drafted, why MUST the 1st pick be used on a defensive player?

If a 4th rounder can be our RB then why can't a 4th rounder be our OLB, FS, DE, CB, etc...? I think that Wells has a bigger impact THIS year than Brian Cushing does...

Now...if we can trade up to get Curry, I'd shoot Wells in the back myself! :D

[TexansFan03]

Using Slaton as an example of how you can get a good back in the 3rd round is not very accurate. I mean, I could say that Peterson is a good example or LT is a good example of what happens when use a 1st round pick. We could do that all day...

Is there a DB, S, DT, OLB, DE that fills a need on our team moreso than a stud running back? If we sign a DE, OLB, CB, etc...in free agency, are you all saying that we MUST STILL draft defense even if the players aren't that great? We should draft a CB simply because we SHOULD NOT draft an RB? We should NOT shore up a position that has needed to be shored up from day 1? Instead, we should roll the dice and hope that we find another Slaton diamond inthe rough in the 3rd - 4th round?

We have 2 starting corners and 2 young backups.
We have 2 starting DE's.
We have 3 starting LB's...basically.
We DO need safety help but there's not one in this draft worth a dime.
We have 1 single back who WILL get hurt and who WILL need to get subbed for and we're hoping that we can draft a 4th rounder that will step in and wreak havoc and inspire shock and awe in our opponents (As they drop back in to coverage and giggle!) Why not have a stud back like Wells and GO TO BATTLE?

Here's my question - would we take Stewart, Deangelo, Norwood, etc...at #15 right now knowing what we know? 100 out of 100 times we would. So, if Wells is there, why don't we just join the party and get a HORSE who without question is our THUNDER.

Expensive? Well, I'd have to reply to that with.......so? So was Ahman...why not get one that works! :D

Settle down for a sec. No need to get all T.O. on everybody.
1st round RBs are MAJOR risks and equal ones can and have been found in the later rounds. This is a deep draft for RBs and as good as Wells can be, he can also very likely turn out like Caddilac Williams.

If that happens, you'll just say opps!! But Kubiack will take serious fire for burning a pick and likely ending up in another mediocre season when we have shown to be effective in getting good position players deep in the draft.

We're just most likely going to draft a safer pick who still is good and the same for a RB in round 3-5.

[**Texan**]

The nfl has historically been a one back system. The dual back system is fairly new for the most part. Can you remember who split time with the likes of Cambell, Peyton, Brown, Smith, Sanders, F. Gore, Tomlinson (5yrs ago), etc.? I can't, because there backups rarely ever seen action. With that said, I like the new era of using two backs and I would like to see another Slaton type pick, just bigger with more power. I think it's coming this season, just not in the 1st round. I would hate to pay 1st rounder money to a back that is splitting with Slaton who is making considerably less. Just bad Karma!!

[infantrycak]

The nfl has historically been a one back system. The dual back system is fairly new for the most part.

Not only is it fairly new, it is fairly mythical. For the most part, coaches do exactly what Kubiak does--ride the hot hand. Anything else is relief time. Only a few teams have truly platooned two backs without any health concern on either.

[Goatcheese]

Clearly since you can get Tom Brady late on day 2 you should never ever waste a 1st round pick on a franchise QB. That would just be crazy! :rolleyes:

Asante Samuels wasn't drafted high, so we shouldn't take a corner either. just wait and we will certainly pick up an all-pro later in the draft. They're everywhere!

Heck, why use the draft at all when the defensive MVP this past season was an undrafted free agent. Let's give away all our picks to the Lions and just take undrafted free agents. Draft picks are for losers!

There is a reason we go through a long draft process with tens of millions of dollars spent to study and grade these prospects. Guys are graded as 4th rounders because there's no evidence that they're good enough to be 1st rounders. Every now and then a team gets lucky with a Steve Slaton, but most of the time you're going to come up with a Wali Lundy. For every Tom Brady there's a thousand guys who don't even make the practice squad.

Wells is graded as a top 10 pick because he has the highest chance of any running back in this class to be a productive NFL player. There is a reason that most of the elite backs in this league were drafted in the first or second round.

Just look at this years Pro Bowl running backs:

NFC Adrian Peterson, Michael Turner, Clinton Portis
AFC Thomas Jones, Chris Johnson, Ronnie Brown, Marshawn Lynch

5 first rounders, 1 second rounder, and 1 5th rounder
4 of them were top 12 picks

As for Slaton himself, alot of people argued that he should have been a first rounder. A few even said he was the best RB in his class. We got lucky that an elite prospect got knit picked to death because of his size, a down year, and the system he played in. He wasn't some secret gem nobody had ever heard of.

[GoldenHolden]

Personally I think the gap between the first round backs and the mid round backs in this draft is not too big. Granted Wells will probobly be a better back than one drafted in the 3rd or 4th round but I don't think he will blow the competition away. The better value is in the 3rd or 4th round when it comes to running backs.

Also look at the big picture. At some point we will have to get rid of one of these backs (if we drafted wells). You can't have two highly paid players at a position like rb. I believe Slaton had something like a 3 or 4 year deal. I think I am in the majority when I say I would like Slaton to be around for the next 10 years. Why would we spend a first round draft pick on a guy that we would only keep through his rookie contract?

[TheLBCoach]

I'd rather have Andre Brown in the 3rd Round than Beanie Wells in the 1st. Andre runs just as hard as Chris does, and would come a lot cheaper. Plus, as with any First Rounder, if Wells goes 'bust' some coach and GM will look mighty stupid. (for lack of a better term)

This is a 'make or break' draft for Kubiak and Smith. They had better own this thing or start sending out resumes.

[D-DRAMATIC-1]

Settle down for a sec. No need to get all T.O. on everybody.
1st round RBs are MAJOR risks and equal ones can and have been found in the later rounds. This is a deep draft for RBs and as good as Wells can be, he can also very likely turn out like Caddilac Williams.

If that happens, you'll just say opps!! But Kubiack will take serious fire for burning a pick and likely ending up in another mediocre season when we have shown to be effective in getting good position players deep in the draft.

We're just most likely going to draft a safer pick who still is good and the same for a RB in round 3-5.

Settle down? Hopefully, you can look past my articulation and my passion for writing and try and understand that I am not your child? Other than that, your argument still is no more valid than mine. If Beanie is a bust, then I'll just say "opps" (oops?) and then Kubiak will have to take serious fire? Would that be for my pick? Perhaps, I could send Gary a card or something?

Come on man...why is that so many people want to play everything in life so lame? So safe? Is it the recession? For Pete's sake, if you want an OLB then just say it. And tell me why not why my 'desires' are silly and how I'm missing the point. We NEED a RB - period. I think, as does every other scout, that Beanie is #1. I want him with my number 1. Done. But don't say that Gary will have to take fire and I'll just say "opps" (oops?).

I want a big, strong, powerful back because I can't have Curry. I don't want to spend this draft 'taking flyers' again. Was that too unsettled in my delivery?

Hopefully, this post was more readable and more settled for ya and I didn't come across as too "T.O" scary to you. Now, look at my hand....see it? It's not moving....it's very.......vvvv....erryyyy.....settled. And exhale.... In all seriousness, I do not understand why people feel the need to tell others to settle down...but we're all GM's on the BBS!

[Goatcheese]

Personally I think the gap between the first round backs and the mid round backs in this draft is not too big. Granted Wells will probobly be a better back than one drafted in the 3rd or 4th round but I don't think he will blow the competition away. The better value is in the 3rd or 4th round when it comes to running backs.

Also look at the big picture. At some point we will have to get rid of one of these backs (if we drafted wells). You can't have two highly paid players at a position like rb. I believe Slaton had something like a 3 or 4 year deal. I think I am in the majority when I say I would like Slaton to be around for the next 10 years. Why would we spend a first round draft pick on a guy that we would only keep through his rookie contract?

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The 4th round value is better at linebacker, saftey, corner, rb, fb, wr, de, dt, center, og, ot, qb, and waterboy.

Let's just not take anybody in the first round. We can just wait untill time expires 64 times, and then pick those big time value guys in the 3rd round. Shoot, the value is even better with undrafted free agents. Let's not draft anybody.

Kubiak would look really foolish if we picked somebody like Aaron Curry in the first round, and he didn't work out. I think this plan saves us that possibility. Better not to risk it.

We have Slaton for 2 more season under his rookie deal, and atleast one more year as a restricted free agent. Then he's going to want to get paid, and according to your logic we can just pick up another guy who's just as good in the 4th round. Why keep Slaton around when we can just pick up another of the million All-Pros waiting around in the 4th round?:confused:

[Texans86]

We have Slaton for 2 more season under his rookie deal, and atleast one more year as a restricted free agent. Then he's going to want to get paid, and according to your logic we can just pick up another guy who's just as good in the 4th round. Why keep Slaton around when we can just pick up another of the million All-Pros waiting around in the 4th round?:confused:

That's pretty much what Denver did for 10+ years while Kubiak was the offensive coordinator. There was actually a joke about it for awhile. It was funny, Denver actually traded one of those "All-Pros" in Clinton Portis for this other guy, some cornerback. After him, they came back with a running back by committee with a few no names, and had almost no drop in the running game.

[TheLBCoach]

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The 4th round value is better at linebacker, saftey, corner, rb, fb, wr, de, dt, center, og, ot, qb, and waterboy.

Let's just not take anybody in the first round. We can just wait untill time expires 64 times, and then pick those big time value guys in the 3rd round. Shoot, the value is even better with undrafted free agents. Let's not draft anybody.

Kubiak would look really foolish if we picked somebody like Aaron Curry in the first round, and he didn't work out. I think this plan saves us that possibility. Better not to risk it.

We have Slaton for 2 more season under his rookie deal, and atleast one more year as a restricted free agent. Then he's going to want to get paid, and according to your logic we can just pick up another guy who's just as good in the 4th round. Why keep Slaton around when we can just pick up another of the million All-Pros waiting around in the 4th round?:confused:

Why do some posters insist on posting whiny little remarks full of sarcasm when they have an issue with something another poster said? We're all grown men, right?

If you're going to talk about "Safteys", please spell it the correct way:

SAFETY

[D-DRAMATIC-1]

Why do some posters insist on posting whiny little remarks full of sarcasm when they have an issue with something another poster said? We're all grown men, right?

If you're going to talk about "Safteys", please spell it the correct way:

SAFETY


I guess if we're being grammatically correct, he's not actually 'talking' but rather 'typing.' But at least no one is 'loosing' anything in this thread! :D

I don't think he's whining at all, to be honest. I think he feels like me - we have an opinion that is being negated on totally baseless arguments. Now, if people were to base their opinion (Which is what we're all saying) on something, then the dialogue keeps going. But to just dismiss something by saying, "Ahh--we'll get a back in the 4th. He'll be a stud. We'll do it like Denver." Well that's just silly thinking.

My point is if a Stewart, McFadden, Peterson, etc...were there, we'd take him. Why? Because we desperately need a back. If we gamble on a 4th, people will be all over the staff if you had 2 top backs there when you drafted. Denver or not, if one of those top backs from previous years were on the board, we would take him over a Cushing or Matthews or some scrub OLB.

We do NOT need to take defense just because we had a poor defense last year. Everyone KNEW we'd be taking a DE this year but when we signed the new kid, now we MUST take an OLB? Why? When 1-A RB is a far greater need, than a 4th or 5th OLB who may not even play. If you draft Wells, he WILL get 12 -15 carries a game and can line up with Slaton as well.

We need an RB - we have 1 (Forget Moats, Taylor, etc...). Why not draft the #1 back if you can? Why draft the 3 - 5th best OLB? These are questions - not facts. I'm looking for insight as to what Cushing brings moreso than Wells, etc...?

[TheLBCoach]

I guess if we're being grammatically correct, he's not actually 'talking' but rather 'typing.' But at least no one is 'loosing' anything in this thread! :D

I don't think he's whining at all, to be honest. I think he feels like me - we have an opinion that is being negated on totally baseless arguments. Now, if people were to base their opinion (Which is what we're all saying) on something, then the dialogue keeps going. But to just dismiss something by saying, "Ahh--we'll get a back in the 4th. He'll be a stud. We'll do it like Denver." Well that's just silly thinking.

My point is if a Stewart, McFadden, Peterson, etc...were there, we'd take him. Why? Because we desperately need a back. If we gamble on a 4th, people will be all over the staff if you had 2 top backs there when you drafted. Denver or not, if one of those top backs from previous years were on the board, we would take him over a Cushing or Matthews or some scrub OLB.

We do NOT need to take defense just because we had a poor defense last year. Everyone KNEW we'd be taking a DE this year but when we signed the new kid, now we MUST take an OLB? Why? When 1-A RB is a far greater need, than a 4th or 5th OLB who may not even play. If you draft Wells, he WILL get 12 -15 carries a game and can line up with Slaton as well.

We need an RB - we have 1 (Forget Moats, Taylor, etc...). Why not draft the #1 back if you can? Why draft the 3 - 5th best OLB? These are questions - not facts. I'm looking for insight as to what Cushing brings moreso than Wells, etc...?

I was talking about you.

And to answer your Cushing question...I agree with you that Wells > Cushing, but it would be foolish to take either one of them in the 1st Round.

Take OLB for example...SAM, in particular. Diles was doing a good job before he got hurt last season, so I see absolutely no need to take an OLB early in this draft. None whatsoever. I think and hope Rick Smith feels the same way. Moving to WILL, they let Greenwood go, which tells me they have an awful lot of confidence in Xavier Adibi going into his 2nd season. There is no writing on the wall to indicate the Texans will spend a 1st Round pick on either OLB position. The earliest I would consider it would be with South Florida's Tyrone McKenzie in the 3rd Round (if he's still there).

I believe CB is our position of greatest need and is the position deserving of a 1st Round selection. Alphonso Smith, baby!!

[El Tejano]

Correct me if I'm wrong but while The Oilers were in their last two years of being in Houston, we had a good rookie RB named Rodney Thomas. It was believed after the year they had that RB was not a position of need for The then Oilers and they were looking at drafting another position. However, in the draft, a certain player dropped to them and easily was the best player on the board. Heisman Trophy winner Eddie George later went on to a Pro Bowl career and I think we all know the rest.

My point is. We've only seen one season of Steve. Did he impress and show he belongs in the league? Yes. Is he freakin awesome? Yes, he is the largest part of why we were able to salvage our career. However, we've only seen one season out of him. I think it is highly unlikely it happens to him but players have been known to be one year wonders. Steve has shown durability but he also has shown that the hits take a toll, which is why we had to sit him for a game and get him the extra rest. Would be nice to be able to do that and trot out a very good RB after that. I also believe that Steve is a team player and wouldn't mind the help.

[D-DRAMATIC-1]

I was talking about you.

But you quoted someone else and even made reference to their spelling? :confused:

Why do some posters insist on posting whiny little remarks full of sarcasm when they have an issue with something another poster said? We're all grown men, right?
If you're going to talk about "Safteys", please spell it the correct way:
SAFETY

I'm not sure what post was whiny as I tried to lay out in detail exactly why I think what I think, why I disagree with some others, and what my solution to the problem actually should be, as opposed to 'others' telling me that's how Denver did it....and the old 'Kubiak will be in trouble if Wells is a bust.'
Again, didn't see that as whining but perhaps it was. Such is life... Since the debate here has digressed, then I will take my leave.

And in answer to the general question: Yes - I am a grown man.

--fini