Dont understand

[MIKE230765]

I do not understand why some of the players on this team dont take the contracts that have been offered.

Basically i am talking about two guys in particular. Dunta Robinson and Demeco Ryans.

Why do these guys not want to sign the contracts that the texans have offered?

they were giving Dunta an offer that was very reasonable especially since he was hurt and his best season was when there was a better corner opposite of him. True... he plays with alot of heart but and is a good run supporter but in the clutch i think of the Tennesse game a couple years ago when he was in position to knock the pass down that the tennessee reciver caught after sage came back in the second half...if he was as good as he thinks then he would have knocked that pass down and the Texans would have won. He is wanting TOP CB money but does not play like a top CB. He is a good corner and is above average in tackleing but he is not a game changer or has not proved to be. People that get paid big time money should step up in big time situations

Demeco Ryans....He has definately out played his rookie contract but when they have offered him top 5 money and he still rejects it....what do you do aside from let him go. I cant say any bad things about demeco but if that is not good enough money let him be disgruntled and use the money to sign other middle line backers. The texans still have to worry about Mario Williams contract in a few years....if he takes after these other guys then he will be wanting a new contract soon....and i would rather spend the money on a TOP NOTCH DE.

I am sure other people will differ in opinion but i would like to hear it...maybe it is just me.


and yes i go to the games i am a season psl ticket holder.

[Sportswriter79]

Make that two of us. I don't understand either.

Signed,

Another Season Ticket /PSL Holder

[Battle-Red]

While I understand where your comming form I don't really think it's fair to begrudge any man for trying to get all he can get. Especially in a business where nothing is guaranteed.

[Aztequila]

I can't blame them. They know their worth to the team, and think they should be payed as such. We are going to draft someone this year totally unproven, and give them great money without even taking a step on an NFL grid iron. My opinion is that the Texans, and all franchises for that matter, should take care of those who have produced for them. I think this is especially true if the players in question are of the status of Ryans and Dunta.

[MIKE230765]

i guess i just wish they would build something here since we are starting to do well....i guess as long as they play out their contract and not hold out..basically talking about demeco...and not hold out like they are starting to do...i guess the hold out is what really upsets me....dunta is not under contract so i can understand that...from my point of view i dont like it but i do understand business

[Aztequila]

Agreed on the holding out issue. Never sits right when a player refuses to play out his contract. However, if he was told otherwise, a la Anquan Bolden, then I can see reasons for being upset, but they should still play it out.

[GoldenHolden]

A contract is a contract and binding should mean that for better or for worst. If Ryans wanted a better contract from the start then he should have played better in college assuring himself a better drafting position thus being paid more. He has played well thus earning him a better contract when its due or if Houston decides to give him one sooner. That is not for Ryan to hold over Houston's head, that my friends is BS, straightup BS. Houston will do everything they can to keep him and offer a good contract. I think they already have but nontheless its bad business on the player and agents part to hold out of anything when under contract. Why, because we cant comprehend their position they are taking nor the amount of money they make. Its fantasy land and we have no role in it. Give DR a deadline to get his crap together prior to the draft. Start fining Ryans and if one or either show up then trade em off and draft for need. I bet Cutler wont shut his mouth off next time he has an issue nor any Bronco player that wants to stay.

Demeco and Dunta will not be holding out. They are missing an OPTIONAL team conditioning program. Dunta is at a performance institute in NJ working out and I am sure Demeco is getting in shape as well. This is a contract year for both of them so don't expect them to miss any time. I wish they were here too but I am not worrying too much about it. Don't be suprised if the Texans increase their offers for the two after the draft and sign one if not both of them. I do understand where they are coming from. Free agency is where the money is at. Even if they want to stay with the Texans, it would be in their best interest to test the market in an attempt to increase their offers from the Texans. This is the business side of the NFL.

[TheLBCoach]

DeMeco is working out in Arizona during his holdout.

I just don't understand what Dunta's testing. He currently holds an offer that is more than generous. At the end of the day, he'll realize that and sign the franchise tender.

Can a team trade a player while he's on the franchise tag?

[houstonsportsfan09]

DeMeco is working out in Arizona during his holdout.

I just don't understand what Dunta's testing. He currently holds an offer that is more than generous. At the end of the day, he'll realize that and sign the franchise tender.

Can a team trade a player while he's on the franchise tag?


I think he has to sign it first then we can. Something similar to this happened to Jared Allen last year.

[TheLBCoach]

I think he has to sign it first then we can. Something similar to this happened to Jared Allen last year.

Thanks.

I wouldn't be opposed to trading Mr. Robinson sometime before the trade deadline if this is the case.

[TexansCM]

The reason players are reluctant to sign the franchise tag is because it is only 1 year. Dunta had a potential career ending injury and now if he signs he needs to stay healthy another year just to get a big money long term contract. That is one big reason he has not signed the big money 1 year contract.

[hfd45]

I think Dunta has an unrealistic view of his situation. While he is a good cornerback, he is not an "elite" cornerback. Coming off a major injury he was offered (reportedly) a guaranteed 20 million plus, long term deal, which he turned down. That is more than generous. I say pay him his 9.97 million this year, draft a corner to groom this year, and trade Dunta next year. I haven't heard what, if anything DeMeco was offered but I would say he is a top 5 MLB and should be paid accordingly.

[done88]

The reason players are reluctant to sign the franchise tag is because it is only 1 year. Dunta had a potential career ending injury and now if he signs he needs to stay healthy another year just to get a big money long term contract. That is one big reason he has not signed the big money 1 year contract.

Ok here is what I don;t understand about Duante. If he signs at 9+ million for this year, and plays up to expectations then he will sign the 23+ money next year. If not the salary for the top five DBs next year will be higher. He will then haave the 20 million in teo years instead of five. After 2 years everything from 3 to 5 is extra. It is not unfair to ask him to earn his money. I don;t have any guarentee that I of my salary if I can't work. I'm not saying he should not get as much as he can, but he should be willing to earn it by being on the field for two years.

[B.Diddy]

I for one understand what they are doing. Think about it the NFL is a here today gone tomorrow league even with big contracts if you get a career ending injury not too much is guaranteed. While owners are making billions off of these guys they are risking their lives everytime they step on the field. Dunta almost had his career cut short and is looking for security, Demeco has played like a top 3 if not #1 Middle linebacker every year when he is healthy, but even when he isnt healthy he gives you blood sweat and tears and hates to be taken out. The time he has been here no one has been more important to our D not even Mario so he deserves every penny he ask for and we better pay it or we'll lose a class guy who killes his self outthere for you every sunday. 0.02

[Se7en]

While owners are making milloions off of these guys they are risking their lives everytime they step on the field.

Haha!!! I did not realize that Vietnam was going on under our noses this entire time... I thought it was a child's game where players get paid a king's ransom.

[GoldenHolden]

DeMeco is working out in Arizona during his holdout.

I just don't understand what Dunta's testing. He currently holds an offer that is more than generous. At the end of the day, he'll realize that and sign the franchise tender.

Can a team trade a player while he's on the franchise tag?

A player Cannot be traded until he signs his tender. The process for trading a guy that has not signed his tender usually goes like this:

1. Team finds another team that is interested in trading for franchised player.
2. Player and possible trade partner work out contract.
3. Player signs tender
4. Player is traded
5. Player is signed to contract

A team could opt not to sign the player to a contract and just take the one year franchise deal but that wouldn't make too much sense. Steps one and two are interchangable as well. Dunta is not stupid enough to not sign the tender. He isn't going to pass up $9+ million to sit out a year. Even if he wants to leave houston he will need the season to show other teams that he has gotten back to his original form.

[South Texan]

I think I am missing something here too. If I have this right, next year will be a higher cap or no cap at all. Isn't that the year to push a renegotiated contract? Or are Dunta and DeMeco hoping to get a renegotiation this year and then try it again next year?
DeMeco maybe has a point, he probably is a little underpaid, but I agree that will be addressed by management near or during training camp when they know how much more they can afford.
Dunta on the other hand has me really puzzled. He has to realize that management doesn't know for sure that he is back at 100%. Does he think any NFL team is willing to make a high priced long term offer at this point? IMHO Dunta, smile on your way to bank this coming season with that $9 mil, show you are worth the money, and wait on that long term contract till next year when the cap will be raised if not gone entirely.

[A/C Guy]

If Demeco wanted to have the whole city on his side he would show up to practice soon!

That would put even more pressure on the front office, because he would look like a stand-up guy thinking team first.

Or is it just a business move??

What do you guys think???

[WaldovonPutz]

Greed ruins too many good people. I could live off of $1 million the rest of my life. Did these guys getting paid multiple millions just never learn how to manage money or set up multiple accounts? Come on!

I"m likely to stir up something here, but have to point out a million for a young player doesn't make him rich. For instance, you are 31 and if you live out your slated 50 more years that is only 20 grand a year, and inflation will cut your buying power in half every 10 years. So, why not draw interest? You could get a huge 2+ per cent on it at the moment which precludes you from buying a new car very often. Well, why not invest it in the stock market? If you had invested a couple of years ago in the world's largest car company, America's biggest bank and the largest mortgage broker you would today have virtually nothing. GM is down to $3 a share, cut its' dividend out and is threatened with bankruptcy; Bank of America went to $3 a share and is paying 4 cts. a share dividend, and Washington Mutual was taken over by the government and the shareholders were hosed. So why not get a money manager? These guys get a pecentage of your stake regardless of their performance, so you need a return of that percentage plus inflation to come out at all,. So, what's my point? Merely that a young player with a million dollar signing bonus isn't necessarily rich. Who's rich? Well, the Texans owner is a billionaire; thats a thousand million dollars. He could get by on that without even raising ticket prices, which he did again this year. But of course that's not greed, just business prudence!

[TEXANBRONCO]

i,m pissed at DUNTA/DEMECO but i still wanna see how they play this year:D b4 deciding if i think they were right or wrong...lmao but really what in the world our we gona do if MARIO wants 200 million for 10 years:D....what do we do then......how high does all this go? i mean just how much $ can a man be worth to block/rush/tackle...i think its gettin way outa line, ever since a football player made more than the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, i thought things were gettin crazy:D, but i still pay the ticket price no matter what...lol

[Little D]

A contract is a contract and binding should mean that for better or for worst. If Ryans wanted a better contract from the start then he should have played better in college assuring himself a better drafting position thus being paid more. He has played well thus earning him a better contract when its due or if Houston decides to give him one sooner. That is not for Ryan to hold over Houston's head, that my friends is BS, straightup BS. Houston will do everything they can to keep him and offer a good contract. I think they already have but nontheless its bad business on the player and agents part to hold out of anything when under contract. Why, because we cant comprehend their position they are taking nor the amount of money they make. Its fantasy land and we have no role in it. Give DR a deadline to get his crap together prior to the draft. Start fining Ryans and if one or either show up then trade em off and draft for need. I bet Cutler wont shut his mouth off next time he has an issue nor any Bronco player that wants to stay.

Agreed

[lilbush]

I"m likely to stir up something here, but have to point out a million for a young player doesn't make him rich. For instance, you are 31 and if you live out your slated 50 more years that is only 20 grand a year, and inflation will cut your buying power in half every 10 years. So, why not draw interest? You could get a huge 2+ per cent on it at the moment which precludes you from buying a new car very often. Well, why not invest it in the stock market? If you had invested a couple of years ago in the world's largest car company, America's biggest bank and the largest mortgage broker you would today have virtually nothing. GM is down to $3 a share, cut its' dividend out and is threatened with bankruptcy; Bank of America went to $3 a share and is paying 4 cts. a share dividend, and Washington Mutual was taken over by the government and the shareholders were hosed. So why not get a money manager? These guys get a pecentage of your stake regardless of their performance, so you need a return of that percentage plus inflation to come out at all,. So, what's my point? Merely that a young player with a million dollar signing bonus isn't necessarily rich. Who's rich? Well, the Texans owner is a billionaire; thats a thousand million dollars. He could get by on that without even raising ticket prices, which he did again this year. But of course that's not greed, just business prudence!

Agreed..........NFL Players live in a totally different reality than "us common folk" (accent included). I would probably be doing the exact same thing DR is doing if I was in his shoes.............is that a Kaiser Wilhelm Helmet?????:)

[Sportswriter79]

While owners are making milloions off of these guys they are risking their lives everytime they step on the field. The time he has been here no one has been more important to our D not even Mario so he deserves every penny he ask for and we better pay it or we'll lose a class guy who killes his self outthere for you every sunday. 0.02

Policemen risk their lives. So do firemen and soldiers. Football players do not risk their lives.

And if we lose a player, no problem, they're pretty easily replaceable.

[blake1776]

If Demeco wanted to have the whole city on his side he would show up to practice soon!

That would put even more pressure on the front office, because he would look like a stand-up guy thinking team first.

Or is it just a business move??

What do you guys think???

If he gets hurt at minicamp then he is def not going to get anything. That's why players don't play at the probowl on contract years. i.e. Drew Brees

[Se7en]

I"m likely to stir up something here, but have to point out a million for a young player doesn't make him rich. For instance, you are 31 and if you live out your slated 50 more years that is only 20 grand a year, and inflation will cut your buying power in half every 10 years.

Maybe I did not understand thiscorrectly, but you seem to be assuming that once an NFL player is at the end of his career he should never have to work again. I am nearly certain that NFL playes do some form of work for the remainder of their lives and continue making money.

I would love to make 1 million bucks for 5 years in a row just to be forced to work like an average joe for the rest of my life while having 5 million bucks in the bank.

[1TexaninSA]

Are you serious?...Like this is Dunta's last season ever in the league?? Even if it was his last year, he'll probably make more than than the average american does in a lifetime. Dunta needs to prove himself. Oh..one good rookie season season makes him great?? I personally wouldn't spend an a@$-load of money on a something that wasn't proven. Give the Texans a good, solid year..injury free that is, and I'm sure they will give you what your worth. We could get a number of guys to fill that position,that will give us the #'s that Dunta has...for a whole lot less. Dunta needs to stop his crying and realize that unless he can make it a whole season..he's worthless...IMO...Dunta is not the best...untill he is.....DEAL WITH IT!!!!

[1TexaninSA]

I"m likely to stir up something here, but have to point out a million for a young player doesn't make him rich. For instance, you are 31 and if you live out your slated 50 more years that is only 20 grand a year, and inflation will cut your buying power in half every 10 years. So, why not draw interest? You could get a huge 2+ per cent on it at the moment which precludes you from buying a new car very often. Well, why not invest it in the stock market? If you had invested a couple of years ago in the world's largest car company, America's biggest bank and the largest mortgage broker you would today have virtually nothing. GM is down to $3 a share, cut its' dividend out and is threatened with bankruptcy; Bank of America went to $3 a share and is paying 4 cts. a share dividend, and Washington Mutual was taken over by the government and the shareholders were hosed. So why not get a money manager? These guys get a pecentage of your stake regardless of their performance, so you need a return of that percentage plus inflation to come out at all,. So, what's my point? Merely that a young player with a million dollar signing bonus isn't necessarily rich. Who's rich? Well, the Texans owner is a billionaire; thats a thousand million dollars. He could get by on that without even raising ticket prices, which he did again this year. But of course that's not greed, just business prudence!

One more thing....Please leave the economy to the people that actually know about he economy. This is a Texans message board...Not a wall street board. If I wanted a run down on the current financial situation, I would have logged on to DepressMe.com...not a real web-site, but you get my point.

[powerhouse713]

The only reason people take this personal is because they try to compare it to average people. I have learned, this is how it works. We all know that Dunta will not holdout the season or anything, he is just trying to make a point. If one of two was to miss any training camp, it would be Dunta but I dont think he is in the position to do that. In all contract situations, the agent will always set a high figure, just to have bargaining power. He is probably very aware that Dunta is not a Top 5 corner, the agent is trying to collect as much of his 3%(i think) as possible. People often forget about the agent factor.

[WaldovonPutz]

Agreed..........NFL Players live in a totally different reality than "us common folk" (accent included). I would probably be doing the exact same thing DR is doing if I was in his shoes.............is that a Kaiser Wilhelm Helmet?????:)

Yeah. just making fun of my german-american heritage, as I do with my message board name. Some people will get the "putz" part; it's not very complimentary.

[WaldovonPutz]

One more thing....Please leave the economy to the people that actually know about he economy. This is a Texans message board...Not a wall street board. If I wanted a run down on the current financial situation, I would have logged on to DepressMe.com...not a real web-site, but you get my point.

Yes. I got your point, even if you missed mine.

[1TexaninSA]

O.K..before I get slammed for making comments on Dunta and the economy, I should explain myself....I was drunk!!! Came in last night, after too many Jolly Texans, ( a shot that my friends and I made up). Let me know if you want the ingredients. Very tastey...but back to my point. Whenever I get a little loose I like to talk about things that i really have no idea about. I'm not a money guy, and I have no idea how to run a NFL team. So basically you shouldn't give my comments a second thought..not that you did anyways. So, I just thought that I should clear the air on that one. Sorry if i offended anybody....Can't wait for the draft party!!!!

[WaldovonPutz]

O.K..before I get slammed for making comments on Dunta and the economy, I should explain myself....I was drunk!!! Came in last night, after too many Jolly Texans, ( a shot that my friends and I made up). Let me know if you want the ingredients. Very tastey...but back to my point. Whenever I get a little loose I like to talk about things that i really have no idea about. I'm not a money guy, and I have no idea how to run a NFL team. So basically you shouldn't give my comments a second thought..not that you did anyways. So, I just thought that I should clear the air on that one. Sorry if i offended anybody....Can't wait for the draft party!!!!

Hey, I for one wasn't offended. I like your posts, and wouldn't mind your posting your Jolly Texans recipe, I'll be at the draft party, too!

[J-Storm]

Policemen risk their lives. So do firemen and soldiers. Football players do not risk their lives.

And if we lose a player, no problem, they're pretty easily replaceable.

Amen to that.

And I'll 3rd that as well. These guys provide w'end entertainment. Dunta's not curing Cancer, until he does, he gets paid accordingly I say...

[B.Diddy]

Policemen risk their lives. So do firemen and soldiers. Football players do not risk their lives.

And if we lose a player, no problem, they're pretty easily replaceable.

Im sorry i thought we were talking football not Society Values lol....Yes policemen, soldiers, and firefighters risk their lives and yes Teachers should be paid more but thats not what we are talking about. All those professions are there for our well being. While Football is there for our entertainment. They make big money because we value our entertainment waaaay more than our well being, the owners are makeing crazy money and still raising ticket prices in a bad economy but nobodys calling them greedy. You would think Dunta and Demeco worked for AIG the way yall are talking. But staying in the relm of sports and not compareing it to our 9-5's Demeco should get every penny he's worth (BY LEAGUE STANDARDS NOT YOURS)

[B.Diddy]

If Demeco wanted to have the whole city on his side he would show up to practice soon!

That would put even more pressure on the front office, because he would look like a stand-up guy thinking team first.

Or is it just a business move??

What do you guys think???


Wrong Owen Daniels isnt happy about his contract either but he is there. and its obvious Demeco is putting waay more pressure on the front office by not being there. Seriously Guys " The noisy wheel gets the oil" dosent sound PC but thats life.

[outofhnd]

The nerve of those guys wanting to be provided for and valued. How dare them... They will get their money the reason you don't understand this is this is all a song and dance that everyone plays. Just relax we will get these guys signed after we get past the draft..