What are your thoughts? Playoffs....

[JOJORDAN]

In looking at the schedule I see no reason why we shouldnt get to at least 10 wins. Based on the play of the teams last year and the Texans (hoping we can eliminate QB mistakes) I counted us with at least maybe 12 wins a definite 10. Just want to know your thoughts on this upcoming season.

[justin of doom]

No matter who we play, I was kind of thinking playoffs or die. We really have no other option.

[Sportswriter79]

Here is how I look at it:

Group 1: 9 games - It isn't unreasonable that we could win 7 or 8 out of these 9. We need to sweep the Jags.

Jets (h)
Jags (h)
Raiders (h)
Bengals (a)
49ers (h)
Bills (a)
Jags (a)
Seahawks (h)
Rams (a)

Group 2: 3 games - We need to win at least one of these tough ones.

Cardinals (a)
Dolphins (a)
Patriots (h)

Group 3: 4 games - We need to at least split and win 2, which would make us 4-2 in the division.

Titans (a)
Colts (a)
Titans (h)
Colts (h)

Looks like 10-6 or 11-5 is a possibility.

[footballfan412]

No matter who we play, I was kind of thinking playoffs or die. We really have no other option.

I'm thinking playoffs and/or 10 wins. Gary MUST do either. Let's not forget that New England won 11 games and missed the playoffs. If something like that happens, I'm ok, because that means the stats of other teams worked against us, and it means we would have gotten 10 or 11 wins.

10 wins or playoffs. Nothing else will suffice.

[blake1776]

Yeah, I think we win the division.

[Schaubie Love]

I think 11-5 and the first division title is in store for this season.

Here's to the draft!

[Scotty Smalls14]

Anything less than 10 wins will be a dissapointment.

[TheLBCoach]

I really hope we win at least 10 games, because I really like Kubiak.

I think anything less than 10 will not be enough for him to keep his job.

[ThaShark316]

Wait...what if (wouldn't work, I don't think...) the Texans are 9-6 going into week 17 and already have, lets say, the 6th seed locked up and can't go any higher...is it STILL a disappointment? :D

[JOJORDAN]

I think we are good to go in our divison. The colts are getting old yes they let go of marvin harrison but overall its not what it used to be. The jags still don't have a good WR core. And they're RB situation will not be as good as it once was now that fred taylor is gone. The titans.....I think we can at least split it with them because they still don't have no WR and they don't have big boy in the middle anymore to plug up the hole sowe should be able to run up the middle against them now. So I think we can beat the jags twice,beat the colts. In both games) twice, and split with the titans. Maybe I'm hoping for tooooooooo much.

[dbruder44]

If we go 4-2 in our division now way we fail to make 10-6 but lets all remeber last year an 11-5 team (NE) missed the playoffs. But I think the AFC west will post better numbers this year, and so will Cincy/Cleaveland, evening out some of the lopsided records in the AFC last year. Normally 9-7 can get you in, one year I remeber the Chiefs getting in at 7-9 I think. I'll take 10-6 right now and take my chances on what that gets us though.

[edo783]

Boatloads of factors play into a prediction. On the surface, the schedule looks moderately favorable with the exception of the 4 game series in the middle of the season with our division rivals. However, you never know what team catches on fire and comes out of nowhere to surprise everyone like Miami and the Cards did last year, so what looks like a winnable game today may change drastically by mid-season. IMO, the key for us, as it always has been, is health. We are not a deeply talented team, but our frontline guys can play, especially on offense. If we stay reasonably healthy a 10-6 year is fairly likely. If the ball or injuries bounce the wrong way for us (there is such a thing as good/bad luck that comes into play) we could finish 9-7 or maybe even 8-8. If thing bounce well for us and perhaps a bit poorly for others 11-5 is possible and perhaps a bit more. At 8-8, I'm not sure if Kubes keeps his job as that will depend on how and why we wound up there. At 9-7 or better he keeps his job as it is an improvement and movement in the right direction, but a 9-7 season puts him on the hot seat for the next season.

[Houston Texans_]

I think we are good to go in our divison. The colts are getting old yes they let go of marvin harrison but overall its not what it used to be. The jags still don't have a good WR core. And they're RB situation will not be as good as it once was now that fred taylor is gone. The titans.....I think we can at least split it with them because they still don't have no WR and they don't have big boy in the middle anymore to plug up the hole sowe should be able to run up the middle against them now. So I think we can beat the jags twice,beat the colts. In both games) twice, and split with the titans. Maybe I'm hoping for tooooooooo much.

We can sweep Thumbtacks....IF WE GET SOME PRESSURE ON QB, 1st game Collins (Old Man) had too much time to pick us apart

[khlonghorn]

New England : too tough at this time of the year. We won't be good enough to beat them this year. We are already in the playoffs, a let down game = L

11-5

i think its going to be the other way around. NE will have clinched their division and bye, resting their starters and getting us in the back door for the 6th spot like the colts did for the tacks a few years ago.

[trutexan02]

Instead of playing "spoiler" we'll be playing against a spoiler in the Patriots. Even though the Pats will most likely be in already. Belicheck won't allow his team to be the team that loses to the Texans and allows us to clinch a spot in the tournamtent.

So yes I think we will definitely be in the hunt this season. Are we in.... eh, We'll see.

[rush2112mn]

I had the chance to look at the schedule.
I think this is the most advantageous schedule this team has had since its inception. Having the first 3 out of the first 4 at home is great. The teams we play at home during these first month of the season are teams we can beat at home. Dare I say...... should beat at our house. I know that may be aggressive language, but I am expecting more out of this team, I think we all are. The Tenn game on the road should be a tough one.....will be a close one.....

We then go on the road and play the Cardinals and Bengals. The Cardinals ...I think we stack up favorable to them and have a good chance against them.... The Bengals ....I think we can beat them on the road.

We then come back and play the 49ers....another team we should be able to beat at home...not very scary team.....

We then go on the road and play the Bills...this could be a toughie.....maybe Terrel Owens has that team in disaray by then....lol


The next 3 games could be the determinant of if we make it in the playoffs.....

And then there are the the Colts on the road. A team we have yet to beat on the road . Could this bet the year we do it? We came close last year....I am going to this game on the road ...this is my road game....

We then come to a bye....I think the bye week is great....it gives them a extra week to get ready for Bum...I mean Bud Adams team...and it is MONDAY NIGHT TOO...should be a great game....can we say 2 in a row on mnf....I think so....

We then come to the Colts game at home. This one should be a good one too. Mr Manning.....say hello to Mr. Williams......and Mr. Smith....I think it will be noisy too.....

We then have the last 3 out of the last 5 on the road
The rams and Jags are winnable. The jags game should be a tough one....They will be wanting to beat us since we took one from them at home already this season....
Then there are the Seahawks at home. Not a very scary team.

One of the last 2 of our games could be flex scheduled...who knows....

We go on the road back to Dre's hometown of Miami...you know he will be psyched up for his hometown...could be a big homecoming for him....I hope so.....

And then there are the Patriots....will Brady be back...I hope so....I want to see Brady here....

So...that is my analysis.....Maybe I am too optomistic.....I expect more out of this team. I think if we are going to make the playoffs.....yes I said it playoffs.....this may be most favorable schedule to do that....

[outofhnd]

I dunno it depends on our draft and injuries I am not going to set my expectations for anything because that is kust a jinx

[PuddleOfGlowing]

Maybe I'm just too high on the Texans, but after seeing how the offense gelled in the latter portion of 2008, and seeing the flashes from the defense...this is my offcial prediction:

We start off 4-0, but lose in a shootout to Arizona.

After being 4-1 we go on a three game winning streak thats halted by indy, we've never beaten them at home, don't see it happening yet. we're 7-2 going into the bye week.

Then I see us going on a 5 game, late year winning stretch, starting with a pulse pounding last second victory aginst tenn on monday night. but out hot streak ends when the dolphins finally get their win aginst us in a stunning upset.

we return home looking to avenge our previous loss and defeat the patriots, mario has 3 sacks on brady.

we win the division and cruise into the playoffs at 13-3.

this is my official view of how the season will go down...until proven otherwise of course...seems realistic right? (laughs)

[TexansRage123]

all i have to say is....we need a good start. no 0-4. and hopefully schuab has his first healthy season. if those things are avoided.. 10-6 =]

[Coach]

no point in talking playoffs til we're close enough to jinx ourselves...the season hasn't started yet...we don't know what the draft will produce...we don't know who will be injuried during training camp or pre-season...we don't know what other impacts will occur...on paper we look like a canidate for the post season but that's just paper

[TEXANBRONCO]

i have already predicted a 13-3 season. MATT has got to be in control for the 1st time since being a TEXAN. no more interceptions or fumbles that COST US THE GAME....those days were lessons, for what is about to happen, as we just destroy everything in our path:D....KUBIAK will KEY ON division games this year.....the monday night game with the titans is a KEY GAME. we could sweep the titans since they got rid of BIGBOY....and we could sweep the colts....they did lose the headcoach and a few KEY players....IT IS OUR DESTINY....to walk the walk...and talk the talk, after winning the division. MAY THE FORCE B WITH US:D

[footballfan412]

no point in talking playoffs til we're close enough to jinx ourselves...the season hasn't started yet...we don't know what the draft will produce...we don't know who will be injuried during training camp or pre-season...we don't know what other impacts will occur...on paper we look like a canidate for the post season but that's just paper

True. I was just thinking the other day about our offense and how exciting it is and how it's one of the top offenses in the league and then...I had to stop, pause, and bring myself back to reality: We do have a good offense, but we have a MASSIVE Red Zone problem on offense.

Things look good for us on paper, but there are still very real, tangible things that need to be dealt with. Hopefully, they will be.

[Yosarian]

Playoffs..easy...superbowl....Yup!

Homer--no doubt.

:rolleyes:

[caddy]

Again, with the 10 wins and play-off talk. I'm still not buying this hype at the start of the year. Again, this year all I want is to see the Texans playing some good football and will dancing at a winning record. PLAY-OFFs ? ya got to be kidding.

[SAMRAJ95]

Dear TEXANS NATION:
After reading the 2009 TEXANS schedule, I had the following thoughts:

#1) The TEXANS must learn from last season's mistakes and miscues, and commit themselves to not repeating the same mistakes.

#2) The TEXANS must take care of the ball-ELIMINATE TURNOVERS on offense.

#3) WIN ALL OF OUR HOMEGAMES...The TEXANS have yet to go undefeated at home. Let's change that trend THIS SEASON. Lets start a new trend of going undefeated at home.

#4) The TEXANS need to take advantage of playing 4-of-their-first-5 games at home. Lets get after it early. Lets take care of and defeat the teams we know we should beat. The TEXANS cannot take any opponnent lightly this season like we did against Oakland-that was embarrasing.

#5) The TEXANS have to win ALL of their AFC SOUTH divisional games.

#6) STAY HEALTHY! We need just a little bit of luck-we got to stay healthy, and not beat ourselves this season. The TEXANS need to learn how to close teams out in the 4th Qtr. And secure victories.

[dbruder44]

We play 3 out of our first five at home FYI Don't show up for the game when the team is in AZ or Tenn nobody will be there

[srstex]

I believe our best bet for a better year is the play calling. Kyle called the plays for the last 4 games ( forgive me if it was 3 or 5 ) and we seemed to keep teams off balance. This is one area that will help with the red zone. We have a team that is in new territory, we have a bonified RB,WR,TE & QB, and Good O-line ( for once ), & the o-line is intact from last year. We have, in MHO, all we need to be a very good offensive scoring team. Now on D, I have nothing but faith that Bush will have his plan in place and Working by opening day.

[dbruder44]

I believe our best bet for a better year is the play calling. Kyle called the plays for the last 4 games ( forgive me if it was 3 or 5 ) and we seemed to keep teams off balance. This is one area that will help with the red zone. We have a team that is in new territory, we have a bonified RB,WR,TE & QB, and Good O-line ( for once ), & the o-line is intact from last year. We have, in MHO, all we need to be a very good offensive scoring team. Now on D, I have nothing but faith that Bush will have his plan in place and Working by opening day.

Agreed, if Schaub stays healthy we put up gauddy stats, we just need one more stop per game out of the defense.

[CoogBull]

In looking at the schedule I see no reason why we shouldnt get to at least 10 wins. Based on the play of the teams last year and the Texans (hoping we can eliminate QB mistakes) I counted us with at least maybe 12 wins a definite 10. Just want to know your thoughts on this upcoming season.

I would not start talking playoffs right now. We have to account for this team's ability to play down to their opponents and blow games.

[TexansNutt]

I would not start talking playoffs right now. We have to account for this team's ability to play down to their opponents and blow games.

Way to be optimistic. :confused:

[TexanAtTech]

As long as we don't have a hiccup like the Oakland game last year, there is no doubt we can get 10 wins as long as we take care of the division

[infantrycak]

I believe our best bet for a better year is the play calling. Kyle called the plays for the last 4 games ( forgive me if it was 3 or 5 ) and we seemed to keep teams off balance.

FYI--Shanny only called the plays for the last game against the Bears.

On the day after the Texans defeated Chicago 31-24 to finish 8-8, coach Gary Kubiak declined to discuss the job status of defensive coordinator Richard Smith, but he did drop a bombshell about offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan.

But when asked why the Texans, who entered the game as the worst red-zone offense in the league, scored three touchdowns and a field goal in four trips inside the Bears’ 20, Kubiak surprised reporters at his weekly news conference.


“Because Kyle called very good plays there,” Kubiak said, smiling. “He called a great game. You didn’t know that, did you?”


Even though Shanahan has played a role in some of the play-calling this season, Kubiak had done most of it. Until the last game.


“He called his first NFL game, and he did a hell of a job,” Kubiak said. “I thought it was time. I walked in the office Friday, and I told him he was calling the game.”


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6186316.html

[CoogBull]

Way to be optimistic. :confused:

You can be optimistic. I will be realistic.

[TexHorns]

True. I was just thinking the other day about our offense and how exciting it is and how it's one of the top offenses in the league and then...I had to stop, pause, and bring myself back to reality: We do have a good offense, but we have a MASSIVE Red Zone problem on offense.

Things look good for us on paper, but there are still very real, tangible things that need to be dealt with. Hopefully, they will be.

I have to agree 100% and our redzone problem was huge. Im not a stat guy but from what I remember of last year we might have been in the playoffs if we could have punched it in a few more times. To me, it all rests on Shaub's shoulders inside the twenty. He needs to step up his game and become more of a clutch QB, it's all about the right decisions. Also, every good QB in the league can make it happen in the last two minutes, he needs to be that guy. If we fix this problem I can definitely see us in the playoffs (scratch that, superbowl) this year.

[footballfan412]

I have to agree 100% and our redzone problem was huge. Im not a stat guy but from what I remember of last year we might have been in the playoffs if we could have punched it in a few more times. To me, it all rests on Shaub's shoulders inside the twenty. He needs to step up his game and become more of a clutch QB, it's all about the right decisions. Also, every good QB in the league can make it happen in the last two minutes, he needs to be that guy. If we fix this problem I can definitely see us in the playoffs (scratch that, superbowl) this year.

I don't blame our record last year solely on our Red Zone issues. Anyone who watched the Texans could see that our Defense was pourous. It was a combination of bad defense and unfocused play calling on Red Zone Offense.

But, yep, it's true: Our Red Zone play is a mess. Every single time we got close to the 20, my stomach started to knot. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

And, I'm a season ticket holder, and let me tell you, when we got to the 20, our entire section suddenly got quieter and more subdued, almost as if we were waiting for the collapse.

There had better be a stout, short-yardage Running Back selected somewhere in the draft. Otherwise we are screwed.

As for Shaub being a clutch QB, yes, he has some things to prove. But two things: 1) Look at last year's dramatic finish during the Miami game; and 2) I flew to Wisconsin for the Green Bay Game, and I was positive Matt Schaub would be a disaster because he was returning from his injury and it was extremely cold weather. Well, Matt kicked some major *** in that game. No joke.

The issue with Matt is going to be staying healthy. I want one full season of starts.

[Schlauton]

FYI--Shanny only called the plays for the last game against the Bears.




http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6186316.html

I think we need to get Kyle Shanahan to call the plays, tho' I think GK is already thinking that, at least he SHOULD be.

[edo783]

I think we need to get Kyle Shanahan to call the plays, tho' I think GK is already thinking that, at least he SHOULD be.

Kubes said Shanny would be doing the play calling this year.

[Sportswriter79]

Kubes said Shanny would be doing the play calling this year.

This deal about Shanahan calling the plays and making such a huge difference is so much hype. I doubt that Gary was calling stupid plays.

Regarding the playoffs, I'm pretty sure that we will get in this year. In fact I think that the main competition will be the Colts, and that we will have a better record than the Titans and Jags after the first 5 games.

[footballfan412]

This deal about Shanahan calling the plays and making such a huge difference is so much hype. I doubt that Gary was calling stupid plays.




Lol. Who, exactly, do you think was calling most of the plays last year? Let's go back to the Oakland game, when it's third and one, and they pass it, then it's fourth and goal and they pass it AGAIN.

Who, exactly, called that play, and plays like it?

[TheGoaT]

ya and who called awesome plays like the QB draw against Miami and plays like it? No one is perfect but for every bad call you babies cry about hes made 5 good calls that go completely unnoticed by the peanut gallery.

[A-B]

ya and who called awesome plays like the QB draw against Miami and plays like it? No one is perfect but for every bad call you babies cry about hes made 5 good calls that go completely unnoticed by the peanut gallery.


Agreed.


lol @ peanut gallery.:D

[TK_Gamer]

ya and who called awesome plays like the QB draw against Miami and plays like it? No one is perfect but for every bad call you babies cry about hes made 5 good calls that go completely unnoticed by the peanut gallery.

the problem is not the number of bad calls but the timing of them. Most of the bad calls are in the red zone or at the end of the half , end of the game, etc. One thing I get upset about is the very low percentage of running (big set) plays near the goal line. we will never get any better at punching it in if we only try 1 run play and give up. when our offensive line can drive forward 2 yards at the goal line on any consistent basis we can then say we have a good offensive line.

[TK_Gamer]

This deal about Shanahan calling the plays and making such a huge difference is so much hype. I doubt that Gary was calling stupid plays.

Regarding the playoffs, I'm pretty sure that we will get in this year. In fact I think that the main competition will be the Colts, and that we will have a better record than the Titans and Jags after the first 5 games.

I agree and disagree, I think we will make the playoffs, but I think the Titans will be the team to beat this year. I think the Colts supremacy in the div is on the decline and will continue for several years.

[JMac]

Schaub stays healthy, I believe be get 12

[blake1776]

the problem is not the number of bad calls but the timing of them. Most of the bad calls are in the red zone or at the end of the half , end of the game, etc. One thing I get upset about is the very low percentage of running (big set) plays near the goal line. we will never get any better at punching it in if we only try 1 run play and give up. when our offensive line can drive forward 2 yards at the goal line on any consistent basis we can then say we have a good offensive line.

Did you miss the game where we lined it up 3 times and ran it and got stuffed 3 times in a row?

[footballfan412]

ya and who called awesome plays like the QB draw against Miami and plays like it? No one is perfect but for every bad call you babies cry about hes made 5 good calls that go completely unnoticed by the peanut gallery.

You're joking, right? Yes, the QB draw at the end of Miami was outstanding, but what's the old saying? A broken clock is right twice a day.


(And, how do we know that that wasn't Matt's call?)

You are not seriously defending Kubiak's play-calling, I hope.

Also, the "bad calls" seem to ALWAYS come when the game is on the line. THAT is the point we "babies" are trying to make.

[HomeBred_Texan]

Again, with the 10 wins and play-off talk. I'm still not buying this hype at the start of the year. Again, this year all I want is to see the Texans playing some good football and will dancing at a winning record. PLAY-OFFs ? ya got to be kidding.

Preach on Brother !!!!!!! ;)

My only thought was PLAYOFFS? playoffs? PLAYoffs? playOFFS? :o

[thunderkyss]

In looking at the schedule I see no reason why we shouldnt get to at least 10 wins. Based on the play of the teams last year and the Texans (hoping we can eliminate QB mistakes) I counted us with at least maybe 12 wins a definite 10. Just want to know your thoughts on this upcoming season.

Coaches.

We could've had two winning seasons already, if not for coaching boo-boos.

Now, Kyle is going to take over on offense. Bush is going to take over on defense. Good moves? Maybe. But personally, I don't think Kubiak has the resolve to stick to a game plan if it's a fundamentally sound plan.

For instance, say we're down a touchdown, miff the ensuing kick-off, and allow the opponent to score another easy touchdown.

Now if we had already decided to methodically run the ball, because our opponent isn't that great against a good running game...... Even with three Qtrs left, I would think we should continue with that game plan, instead of going to the air, killing our TOP, and allowing the opponents more opportunities to keep scoring.

I think Kubiak reacts too quickly, and sometimes, over reacts.

[footballfan412]

Coaches.

We could've had two winning seasons already, if not for coaching boo-boos.

Now, Kyle is going to take over on offense. Bush is going to take over on defense. Good moves? Maybe. But personally, I don't think Kubiak has the resolve to stick to a game plan if it's a fundamentally sound plan.

For instance, say we're down a touchdown, miff the ensuing kick-off, and allow the opponent to score another easy touchdown.

Now if we had already decided to methodically run the ball, because our opponent isn't that great against a good running game...... Even with three Qtrs left, I would think we should continue with that game plan, instead of going to the air, killing our TOP, and allowing the opponents more opportunities to keep scoring.

I think Kubiak reacts too quickly, and sometimes, over reacts.

Exactly. This team has talent, and when you have a poorly-performing team with talent it comes down to coaching.

Yes, the defense has been a mess. But there were some major mistakes made on offense that cost us a couple of games last year.

[footballfan412]

Preach on Brother !!!!!!! ;)

My only thought was PLAYOFFS? playoffs? PLAYoffs? playOFFS? :o

Well, if we don't get 10 wins, odds are good that McNair will clean house, as he should. No, we're not expecting a Super Bowl, for pete's sake.


But this team is better than 8-8.

If we don't nail 10 wins, Gary is gone.

[thunderkyss]

Well, if we don't get 10 wins, odds are good that McNair will clean house, as he should. No, we're not expecting a Super Bowl, for pete's sake.


But this team is better than 8-8.

If we don't nail 10 wins, Gary is gone.

If by "clean house" you mean a total rebuild, then.....

That is the goofiest thing I have ever heard. Regardless whether we win 12 games or 3, the ultimate decision ought to be are we a better team or not.

Up & Down this roster, we are a much better team than we have been, and we have the talent to win big.

If by "clean house" you mean we'll get some new coaches.... then I agree.

[CoogBull]

Coaches.

We could've had two winning seasons already, if not for coaching boo-boos.

Now, Kyle is going to take over on offense. Bush is going to take over on defense. Good moves? Maybe. But personally, I don't think Kubiak has the resolve to stick to a game plan if it's a fundamentally sound plan.

For instance, say we're down a touchdown, miff the ensuing kick-off, and allow the opponent to score another easy touchdown.

Now if we had already decided to methodically run the ball, because our opponent isn't that great against a good running game...... Even with three Qtrs left, I would think we should continue with that game plan, instead of going to the air, killing our TOP, and allowing the opponents more opportunities to keep scoring.

I think Kubiak reacts too quickly, and sometimes, over reacts.

Man don't you know the rules? You are not supposed to say anything critical of Kubiak around here. Don't you know he is the reason the sun shines and the flowers bloom?

Just overlook his inability to win challenges, call timeouts effectively, or score in the red zone. What matters is that we have great numbers, not that we win games.

Obviously, you have not been a Texans fan long enough. You are supposed to pretend that spinning our wheels is progress and moral victories are the equivalent of real victories.

[TK_Gamer]

Did you miss the game where we lined it up 3 times and ran it and got stuffed 3 times in a row?

wow one game we did that? look at the overal numbers and you will see we cop out to pass most of the time. Like I said, you keep trying and get better. Schaub got sacked in one game with the PA bootleg, does that mean we should never try that again? be real. The whole league knows we suck at playcalling in tight situations. Dont even get me started on the clock management blunders where we let 15 seconds run off the clock and then call time out, or fail to even try to hurry back to the line at the end of the half. That's all coaching and playcalling. I love the Texans, been a fan since the new franchise was anounced, but if you wanna be a winner you have to call plays and handle the clock like a winner. We have to improve.

[TheGoaT]

I see Coogbull is developing a cult following of emo whiners. I hope theres plenty of crow to go around when the season is in full swing.

[houstonsportsfan09]

I see Coogbull is developing a cult following of emo whiners. I hope theres plenty of crow to go around when the season is in full swing.

You and I and others might not want to be around at this time next week, all you'll be hearing from them is "What were they thinking drafting that player?!:eek:, no wonder we're dont improve, yada, yada, yada."

[mmtex63]

amen to that,, then they'll say"I NEVER DOUBTED THEM TEXANS"

[steelbtexan]

I have been patient. They need to make the playoffs next year.

They are still lacking in over all talent on the roster. They need to stay healty.

They need to add two impact players on defense & one or two on offense to help solve the red zone problems.

Then you can say playoffs.

[TexansRage123]

so basically u hope to get that in 1st 3-4 rounds right....we need malcom jenkins and louis delmas..would be great for our D...Cato June will be an impact player...not sure why he settled for such a low amount of money..but im happy...

[wildroot]

If by "clean house" you mean a total rebuild, then.....

That is the goofiest thing I have ever heard. Regardless whether we win 12 games or 3, the ultimate decision ought to be are we a better team or not.

Up & Down this roster, we are a much better team than we have been, and we have the talent to win big.

If by "clean house" you mean we'll get some new coaches.... then I agree.

We've got the talent, if we don't win shame on the coaching staff....it wouldn't be a "re-build"....we'd bring in a HC that's proven he can win (like a Schottenhiemer type)

[wildroot]

amen to that,, then they'll say"I NEVER DOUBTED THEM TEXANS"

So what....anyone who's ever questioned a move this team has made in the past will be considered some sort of a "fair weather fan" if and when this team ever starts winning?
Give me a break....

[wildroot]

I see Coogbull is developing a cult following of emo whiners. I hope theres plenty of crow to go around when the season is in full swing.

What, like last year?

Every year at this time there's a bunch of you koolaid-aholics ready to serve up crow and every year we come out with a whimper...then you all start with the excuses, and how "just wait till next year". Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day, so your day will come where you can say "I told you so" and how you knew it all along. I suppose there's some guy in Phoenix having his day right now who been following the Cards since the 60's and can now say he was right about his team all along.

Look, this team will win at some point but it'll be in part because the coaching staff is feeling the heat right now, which is coming from the owner because he's feeling the heat from the fans. The "understanding" fans that keep making excuses for the team are the coaches best friends guys. I should be so lucky to have a job with low expectations and the support for me when I underperform is strong.

I think Mcnair's at the end of his rope and Kubiak will be gone if we don't make the playoffs this year. I'm hoping that dosen't happen though. I'd like to see Kubiak be successful and be a part of building this franchise into one that's on the same level as the Pittsburgs of the league.

[TheGoaT]

What, like last year?

Every year at this time there's a bunch of you koolaid-aholics ready to serve up crow and every year we come out with a whimper...then you all start with the excuses, and how "just wait till next year". Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day, so your day will come where you can say "I told you so" and how you knew it all along. I suppose there's some guy in Phoenix having his day right now who been following the Cards since the 60's and can now say he was right about his team all along.

Look, this team will win at some point but it'll be in part because the coaching staff is feeling the heat right now, which is coming from the owner because he's feeling the heat from the fans. The "understanding" fans that keep making excuses for the team are the coaches best friends guys. I should be so lucky to have a job with low expectations and the support for me when I underperform is strong.

I think Mcnair's at the end of his rope and Kubiak will be gone if we don't make the playoffs this year. I'm hoping that dosen't happen though. I'd like to see Kubiak be successful and be a part of building this franchise into one that's on the same level as the Pittsburgs of the league.

Being optimistic about the potential of your team doesnt make you a koolaid drinker, or unrealistic. It makes you a fan. I get frustrated after a bad game just like the next guy, the difference is I get over it and get optimistic about the next game. After a disappointing season I am frustrated with them for a short time, then I get over it and get excited about a clean slate and a fresh season.

Webster's definition of a fan is "an enthusiastic devotee, follower, or admirer of a sport, pastime, celebrity, etc." So yes I consider emo whiners poor fans because they are not enthusiastic or admirers of the team when they are constantly negative, constantly second guessing, constantly bad mouthing the team. It begs the question, why are you even bothering to follow the team if you do not support what they do, it doesn't bring you joy to follow them, and you have nothing but negativity when discussing them? Seriously whats the point?

I followed the Oilers and Rockets throughout my life, through the ups and downs, and while I would get mad after the bad games, the horrible seasons, I loved the sport and the team representing my home town and always got back up there to support them and cheer them on every season year in and year out, because thats what being a devoted fan is about. I didnt like every coach or every owner we've had, but I'm a fan, I'm there to be entertained, not to spend my time complaining about everything. Im there to be ENTHUSIASTIC before every season, if Im only there to discount every decision and criticize everyone in the front office, whats the point?

The biggest problem is the Houston fan base is very fickle. We will never be like the Steelers even if the Texans became like that because our fan base will never have the dedication those fans do. Yes alot of that has to do with the fact the Steelers have produced results over the years, but the Oilers are gone, its not fair to pass our fickleness over to our new team. They are still very very new and have many more years to bring us entertainment before we can even begin to compare our experiences with them to that of the Oilers. The current regime has improved the product they were given every year and acquired talent on the roster that we havent had before. Yes there have been mistakes and poor judgment(which is an opinion not a fact), but they have also brought us some very entertaining memories and given us stars with potential who have us begging for more. So if being ENTHUSIASTIC and OPTIMISTIC makes me a koolaid drinker, then pass me another glass, I havent had my fill yet.

[wildroot]

You're right, however...those that you say are ALWAYS negative....aren't. I've seen Coogbull say nice things about the team. Dude doesn't like Kubiak...Lots here didn't like Faggins either. Does that make them bad fans? Faggins was part of this team that Kubiak chose to keep for 3 years of his tenure here. If you can bad mouth Faggins why can't you bad mouth Kubiak and still be a good fan? There's a difference between being negative and seeing something for what it is and commenting on it. God forbid someone points out our shortcomings. We're not that good of a team YET. There's plenty wrong, that's why we're 8-8. So there's plenty to talk about that has to do with what's wrong with this team. Doesn't make you un-fanly to point these things out and to comment on it. Maybe this year we turn it around. Seems like we say that every year though, so we'll see what happens.

[wildroot]

The biggest problem is the Houston fan base is very fickle. We will never be like the Steelers even if the Texans became like that because our fan base will never have the dedication those fans do. Yes alot of that has to do with the fact the Steelers have produced results over the years, but the Oilers are gone, its not fair to pass our fickleness over to our new team. They are still very very new and have many more years to bring us entertainment before we can even begin to compare our experiences with them to that of the Oilers. The current regime has improved the product they were given every year and acquired talent on the roster that we havent had before. Yes there have been mistakes and poor judgment(which is an opinion not a fact), but they have also brought us some very entertaining memories and given us stars with potential who have us begging for more. So if being ENTHUSIASTIC and OPTIMISTIC makes me a koolaid drinker, then pass me another glass, I havent had my fill yet.

I don't think Houston fans are fickle. I think we want a winner. I think people are disapointed that it's taken so long to put a winning team on the field. I don't think that's being fickle. Try being in Philadelphia or NY and see how those teams are picked apart every week. In many ways that's what makes them successful, having everyone breathing down your neck all the time. Even the Oilers won AFL Championships in their first few years of existense. Maybe they raised the bar too high (LOL). We may be improving our team every year but so is everyone else. We have to improve at a faster rate than the rest for it to show up in the W-L record and we haven't done that to this point yet.
But for the enthusiastic/optimistic fans to come in here every year talking pie-in-the-sky, 11-5, playoff bound etc...thats a wonderful thing but don't slam someone who's a little more grounded and who's thinking a little more REALISICALLY about where this team stands in it's developement or lack there of.

[footballfan412]

You're right, however...those that you say are ALWAYS negative....aren't. I've seen Coogbull say nice things about the team. Dude doesn't like Kubiak...Lots here didn't like Faggins either. Does that make them bad fans? Faggins was part of this team that Kubiak chose to keep for 3 years of his tenure here. If you can bad mouth Faggins why can't you bad mouth Kubiak and still be a good fan? There's a difference between being negative and seeing something for what it is and commenting on it. God forbid someone points out our shortcomings. We're not that good of a team YET. There's plenty wrong, that's why we're 8-8. So there's plenty to talk about that has to do with what's wrong with this team. Doesn't make you un-fanly to point these things out and to comment on it. Maybe this year we turn it around. Seems like we say that every year though, so we'll see what happens.

I agree with this. Also, a couple of other points.

1) I grew up in Michigan. Let me tell you, those fans up there are loyal, but to a fault. Part of the reason the Lions are so bad - and I hate to even type this, but it's true - is because of the fans. Year, after year, after year, I saw fans (my dad used to be one) say "Oh well. We'll get them next time." Year after year. You could feel the complacency set in slowly over decades. What that did was make the owners complacent as well, and the result is 0-16. After watching this for quite a bit of my life, I was terrified that the Texans were becoming like the Lions: Complacent fans and a complacent owner. But, we're not, thank god.

2) I can be critical of this team and Kubiak. That doesn't mean I don't love this team. In fact, I DARE someone to challenge my loyalty to this team, and I will show them five years of season tickets, hundreds of dollars spent on merchandise, hundreds of dollars spent on alcohol at Reliant, and a trip to Green Bay to watch this team play last December. If getting on an airplane doesn't show loyalty, I don't know what does. And, I just renewed my season tickets AGAIN, even though the economy is taking it's toll right now. Why did I renew? Because I'm excited about the future of the team. All in all, I think I've spent something like $10,000 in support of the Texans over the years. I've been wondering all week if I can make the Buffalo game work. I really want to go.


My point: It's not either-or. We all want a winning team. We root for this team. But at the same time, there's nothing wrong with being constructive and pointing out mistakes and wanting the team to be better.

[TK_Gamer]

I agree, and I thank guys like footballfan412 for their dedication and their criticism. I got almost harrassed a few years ago for saying Capers was gonna be (should be) gone. It wasn't because I didnt love the Teaxans, on the contrary, it was because I did that I chose to look at the team objectively. Is Kubiak as bad as Capers? no way!, but he does need to work on his play calling and clock management. I think anyone that doesnt see that is just choosing to ignore it because of all the positives that Kubiak brings. I like Kubiak, that doesnt mean he cant improve. Go Texans!

[TK_Gamer]

In my Honest oppinion I think the biggest thing that's hurt the current regime is the hybrid ideas on offense with sherman. I think when they chose to go to a zone blocking system they should have got a guy that specialized with it and started right off the bat. I also think a hybrid 3-4/4-3 is a bad idea for the same reason. I also think Sherman was basicly tied to Green and they nudged the offense into one that Sherman and Green were comfortable with. We saw how that worked out, and we lost alot of progress because of it. We switch over to a primarily ZBS system last year and look what happened (top 5 offense!). Now we just need to develop an identity to the defense and capitalize in the redzone better and we should make it over the hump.

[wildroot]

Look, I like Kubiak too. I was living in Denver when they drafted him and sort of felt a kinship with him that there was another Texan living in Denver. However, that doesn't mean he gets a free ride here as coach of the Texans IMO. I was backing this team for years before he ever thought of being their coach and I will continue to do so whenever he moves on. That being said, I hope he brings us a championship first.

But there's a group who's mantra seems to be that if you EVER say something critical of this team you are anti-Texan. BS!

Kubiak doesn't get "forever" to turn us into a winner. Miami turned their team around in ONE season. Atlanta turned their team around in ONE season. The days of the "5 year plan" are long gone. I'll be holding his feet to the fire this year. If he can't cut it, he should be gone. If JJ can't catch the ball, he needs to be gone. There aren't enough plays in a game for everyone to get to have a turn making a game-changing mistake. We'd never win a game otherwise.

But that same group will pounce all over you if you point out the obvious. Talk about dumping JJ and you'll hear that he's a good kid, give him a chance, for every five he drops he'll run one back for a TD, it's not his fault, too much pressue....

Texan fans....raise you expectations! Stop making excuses for them. Excuses are for losers.

[footballfan412]

Look, I like Kubiak too. I was living in Denver when they drafted him and sort of felt a kinship with him that there was another Texan living in Denver. However, that doesn't mean he gets a free ride here as coach of the Texans IMO. I was backing this team for years before he ever thought of being their coach and I will continue to do so whenever he moves on. That being said, I hope he brings us a championship first.

But there's a group who's mantra seems to be that if you EVER say something critical of this team you are anti-Texan. BS!

Kubiak doesn't get "forever" to turn us into a winner. Miami turned their team around in ONE season. Atlanta turned their team around in ONE season. The days of the "5 year plan" are long gone. I'll be holding his feet to the fire this year. If he can't cut it, he should be gone. If JJ can't catch the ball, he needs to be gone. There aren't enough plays in a game for everyone to get to have a turn making a game-changing mistake. We'd never win a game otherwise.

But that same group will pounce all over you if you point out the obvious. Talk about dumping JJ and you'll hear that he's a good kid, give him a chance, for every five he drops he'll run one back for a TD, it's not his fault, too much pressue....

Texan fans....raise you expectations! Stop making excuses for them. Excuses are for losers.

Agree 100 percent. Trust me, if we don't have high standards, eventually we will end up 0-16, or at least close to it.

One of my best friends and I are both sports fans, but I'm afraid our friendship may be fracturing because of the Texans. He likes sports, going to the games, and every time the Texans does something wrong, he brushes it off. When I point out mistakes they make, he blows me off with an excuse, "Oh, you need to stop being negative." He does it with EVERYTHING, to the point where I hate discussing sports with him anymore. We've had heated arguments about it, sometimes nasty one.

There are two kinds of sports fans: 1) The kind of fan who likes to watch their favorite team, regardless of the outcome, and 2) The kind of fan who is very, very competitive and likes to win.


My friend is the former, and I'm the latter. That's fine, we can't all be alike. I'm just tired of being slammed EVERY time I say anything remotely critical of the Texans.

[blake1776]

It's hard being a competitive fan when you have no outcome of the game, it is much more practical to be a fan of a team, then let it ruin your whole week when rosenfels loses the game... Alas, it is easier than it sounds.

[Se7en]

So... bottomline is that most of us posting here are the dediated fans that the Texans organization needs in order to succeed. People can be critical and still be a fan and people can be positive and still be a fan.

However, If you chose the critical route you are setting yourself up for looking like you are not loyal to the team. Diehard fans who follow the team through thick and thin with the highest degree of confidence and respect for the Texans brass will find it hard to tolerate people who do not share their faithfulness to their team.

I personally find it tough to watch people come on these boards complaining about things that I respect about this organization. I cannot understand how people will lock on to Kubiak's shortcomings and then decide that poor clock management = a horrible head coach. Kubiak is one of the strongest offensive minds in the game right now, but expecting perfection out of any person is asking too much.

Faggins on the other hand is not a solid part of this team even though he continues to make the roster year after year. He fills in when needed and he is certainly not the worst corner on the face of the earth. I can understand why people would have an axe to grind when Faggins is mentioned and people will be hard pressed to find someone defending Faggins' play over the years.

Houston is filled witha lot of people with many opinions... sadly the MAJORITY of Houstonians that I run into from day to day still think this team is run by idiots because we did not draft the hometown hero Vince Young. My mom said thate xact line to me the other day, and my jaw dropped open. I asked if she had any reasont ot hink he would have succeeded here and she had no clue but, "It would have been great to have a local player on our professional team."

Sadly, my mom is like the majority of Houstonians... they have no clue what theya re talking about. The media has run stories about "hometown heros" and people latch on to that while painting the Texans as the bad guys for not supporting their own.

I could keep this going for awhile, but I am very late for lunch and need to get food in my belly!!!

[Se7en]

It's hard being a competitive fan when you have no outcome of the game, it is much more practical to be a fan of a team, then let it ruin your whole week when rosenfels loses the game... Alas, it is easier than it sounds.

I am very competitive and it makes it tough to be an observer with no way to help during football games. I am the ***** that scream as loud as he can when the D is on the field because I feel like it is the only way I con contribute to the teams success and the home field advantage.

I ahd trouble leaving my seat after the Rosencopter incident, but I found some satisfaction in the fact that I gave everything a fan can give screaming for my team. I also liek to think that I caused the entire row of Payton Manning jerseys nextt o me to leave early and I am glad they did because I would have hated having them stand next to smiling when Rosenfails did the unthinkable to us that afternoon!

Being a fan is not easy and supporting a team through tough times can make you feel like a glutton for masochism at times.

[footballfan412]

So... bottomline is that most of us posting here are the dediated fans that the Texans organization needs in order to succeed. People can be critical and still be a fan and people can be positive and still be a fan.

However, If you chose the critical route you are setting yourself up for looking like you are not loyal to the team. Diehard fans who follow the team through thick and thin with the highest degree of confidence and respect for the Texans brass will find it hard to tolerate people who do not share their faithfulness to their team.

I personally find it tough to watch people come on these boards complaining about things that I respect about this organization. I cannot understand how people will lock on to Kubiak's shortcomings and then decide that poor clock management = a horrible head coach. Kubiak is one of the strongest offensive minds in the game right now, but expecting perfection out of any person is asking too much.

Faggins on the other hand is not a solid part of this team even though he continues to make the roster year after year. He fills in when needed and he is certainly not the worst corner on the face of the earth. I can understand why people would have an axe to grind when Faggins is mentioned and people will be hard pressed to find someone defending Faggins' play over the years.

Houston is filled witha lot of people with many opinions... sadly the MAJORITY of Houstonians that I run into from day to day still think this team is run by idiots because we did not draft the hometown hero Vince Young. My mom said thate xact line to me the other day, and my jaw dropped open. I asked if she had any reasont ot hink he would have succeeded here and she had no clue but, "It would have been great to have a local player on our professional team."

Sadly, my mom is like the majority of Houstonians... they have no clue what theya re talking about. The media has run stories about "hometown heros" and people latch on to that while painting the Texans as the bad guys for not supporting their own.

I could keep this going for awhile, but I am very late for lunch and need to get food in my belly!!!


So you call most Houstonians dumb (even your mom) yet you don't see what clock management has to do with being a head coach?


With every project, endeavor, job, etc, there are two components: Vision, and execution. One can have the best vision of something, but if one cannot execute it, that person is in trouble. I've seen it in the workplace, and I'm sure you have too.


As I've said before, I LOVE Gary's vision of this team. His vision is clear and focused. But he's had a lot of trouble executing his vision, screwing up on small (but important) things like clock management, challenges, play-calling in the red zone, etc.


He simply has too much on his plate. If he hands off play-calling duties to Kyle, then he'll be able to calm down, focus, and EXECUTE the outstanding offense he has created.

I agree with you on the Vince Young-local player thing, though. I'm tired of hearing that. Vince being here means squat if he's a horrible player.

[wildroot]

II was simply making the comparison to how those who won't stand to hear "negativity" about the team are OK slaming someone like Faggins but you get called a non-fan if you talk down about Kubiak and the job he's doing. Seems sort of selective to me.

I don't have aproblem with Kubiak although I understand that some folks do and have a right to voice anti Kubiak opinions. He's made some mistakes (dumb ones) and seems to be slow to make personnel moves that are obvious to all, probably needs to be pushed into a corner before he'll ever come out snarling I guess. That'll come at some point. I also happened to be OK with Faggins but also understand their right to voice their opinion on him (as old as it got sometimes)

What I do take issue with is those that will not stand to see/hear/read anything that hints of anything less than postive talk about the team. I have plenty to say about what the team is doing correctly, but on the other hand I won't hesitate to point out IMO what's wrong with the team.

I couldn't give a FF if I get flamed, but that may not be the case for everyone and it'd be nice if EVERYONE felt as if they could voice an opinion that is other than positive without all the koolaid heads with their holier than thou attitudes getting their panties in a wad. I enjoy getting wrapped up in a discussion one way or the other without all the "anti-fan" name calling. Shouting people down doesn't encourage discussion.

Anyway...

[TheGoaT]

The reason I can not be one of these criticize everything fans, is because how can I bad mouth something when Im not involved with it? You see something happen during a game on sunday and you bash the outcome if you didnt like it based on total assumptions. You weren't involved with the decisions, you dont have the inside knowledge, you dont know what caused the outcome, or even who was to blame for it if blame is to be assigned. You see a timeout not called in the time you think it should be called and you bash the coach because you assume he was just too incompetent to call one. Maybe he was getting information from other coaches? Maybe he was waiting to get some bit of intel from a ref? Maybe he was just making a gamble that didnt work out. The point is, we don't know. Its just like during the season when the QBs were throwing alot of picks. People on the forum started blaming the coach saying he's not teaching them properly in training camp, hes not focusing on it during practice, etc etc etc. Once again how does anyone know that? Thats right they dont. They dont like something they see, so they look for someone to assign blame to, whether theres evidence to it being his fault or not. Like anyone else I get mad and yell out when something I dont like happens during or after a game. Yet then I get over it cuz whats the point of dwelling on it when I dont have the information to know why it happened? I'd rather move forward to the next thing to get excited about.

Being critical about things the team does is fine, thats totally natural. Theres a difference between saying, "Gary's clock management needs some work", or "Our QBs need to cut back on the turnovers", and then comments like "no way we make the playoffs next year our team plays down to everyone", or "Gary is a terrible head coach and should go back to being a coordinator". One type of comment is constructive criticism, the other is just crybaby whining.

Sure everyone is always entitled to their own opinion whether or not a homer like me agrees with it, it doesnt mean we are going to like it, and we arent afraid to tell you if we dont.

[wildroot]

Sure everyone is always entitled to their own opinion whether or not a homer like me agrees with it, it doesnt mean we are going to like it, and we arent afraid to tell you if we dont.

Then state your position, explain why you disagree and we can all toss it back and forth.

[footballfan412]

The reason I can not be one of these criticize everything fans, is because how can I bad mouth something when Im not involved with it? You see something happen during a game on sunday and you bash the outcome if you didnt like it based on total assumptions. You weren't involved with the decisions, you dont have the inside knowledge, you dont know what caused the outcome, or even who was to blame for it if blame is to be assigned. You see a timeout not called in the time you think it should be called and you bash the coach because you assume he was just too incompetent to call one. Maybe he was getting information from other coaches? Maybe he was waiting to get some bit of intel from a ref? Maybe he was just making a gamble that didnt work out. The point is, we don't know. Its just like during the season when the QBs were throwing alot of picks. People on the forum started blaming the coach saying he's not teaching them properly in training camp, hes not focusing on it during practice, etc etc etc. Once again how does anyone know that? Thats right they dont. They dont like something they see, so they look for someone to assign blame to, whether theres evidence to it being his fault or not. Like anyone else I get mad and yell out when something I dont like happens during or after a game. Yet then I get over it cuz whats the point of dwelling on it when I dont have the information to know why it happened? I'd rather move forward to the next thing to get excited about.

Being critical about things the team does is fine, thats totally natural. Theres a difference between saying, "Gary's clock management needs some work", or "Our QBs need to cut back on the turnovers", and then comments like "no way we make the playoffs next year our team plays down to everyone", or "Gary is a terrible head coach and should go back to being a coordinator". One type of comment is constructive criticism, the other is just crybaby whining.

Sure everyone is always entitled to their own opinion whether or not a homer like me agrees with it, it doesnt mean we are going to like it, and we arent afraid to tell you if we dont.


Agree and disagree.


I agree that criticism needs to be constructive rather than broad and destructive. Duly noted.


However, I disagree with your example of time-outs. It's not just one or two times Gary has incorrectly called a time-out or lost a challenge. If I'm not mistaken, he has NEVER, ever won a challenge as a head coach. That's a big deal. That's a pattern, and he should be called out on it.

[footballfan412]

II was simply making the comparison to how those who won't stand to hear "negativity" about the team are OK slaming someone like Faggins but you get called a non-fan if you talk down about Kubiak and the job he's doing. Seems sort of selective to me.

I don't have aproblem with Kubiak although I understand that some folks do and have a right to voice anti Kubiak opinions. He's made some mistakes (dumb ones) and seems to be slow to make personnel moves that are obvious to all, probably needs to be pushed into a corner before he'll ever come out snarling I guess. That'll come at some point. I also happened to be OK with Faggins but also understand their right to voice their opinion on him (as old as it got sometimes)

What I do take issue with is those that will not stand to see/hear/read anything that hints of anything less than postive talk about the team. I have plenty to say about what the team is doing correctly, but on the other hand I won't hesitate to point out IMO what's wrong with the team.

I couldn't give a FF if I get flamed, but that may not be the case for everyone and it'd be nice if EVERYONE felt as if they could voice an opinion that is other than positive without all the koolaid heads with their holier than thou attitudes getting their panties in a wad. I enjoy getting wrapped up in a discussion one way or the other without all the "anti-fan" name calling. Shouting people down doesn't encourage discussion.

Anyway...

Root, I'm totally with you on this. I actually love Gary Kubiak and want him to succeed. But I also know that he's got major problems to address with his coaching.

I've only lived in Houston for eight years, so I'm going with limited knowledge on this, but my guess is that people who refuse to hear anything negative about the Texans are really intense football fans who were traumatized when the Oilers left town. I'm thinking that they're so grateful to have football back that they don't want to do anything to antagonize the owner, for fear he will leave town yet again.

That's my theory, anyway.

[WaldovonPutz]

Agree and disagree.


I agree that criticism needs to be constructive rather than broad and destructive. Duly noted.


However, I disagree with your example of time-outs. It's not just one or two times Gary has incorrectly called a time-out or lost a challenge. If I'm not mistaken, he has NEVER, ever won a challenge as a head coach. That's a big deal. That's a pattern, and he should be called out on it.

I'm sorry; you are trying to confuse people with facts. Good luck!

[wildroot]

I forgot what this thread was about....

[footballfan412]

I'm sorry; you are trying to confuse people with facts. Good luck!

LOL. Well, facts are facts. And, the fact is, Gary can't challenge worth a ****.


F-A-C-T

[zanth91]

Agree and disagree.


I agree that criticism needs to be constructive rather than broad and destructive. Duly noted.


However, I disagree with your example of time-outs. It's not just one or two times Gary has incorrectly called a time-out or lost a challenge. If I'm not mistaken, he has NEVER, ever won a challenge as a head coach. That's a big deal. That's a pattern, and he should be called out on it.

Yes he has?

[PuddleOfGlowing]

I dont think he's bad at challenges, i think he just has bad luck, cause i can remember three or four that with the evidence i saw, i thought it warrented a challenge, then there's a few where its like "why did you challenge that?"

the one that sticks out the most was aginst the steelers i think, where he went for it on 4th down, and everything said to me that schaub went forward enough...but oh well, the refs disagreed.

[TheGoaT]

you people do realize that a head coach is rarely the one to decide when to throw the red flag right?

[footballfan412]

you people do realize that a head coach is rarely the one to decide when to throw the red flag right?

If that's the case "we people" think that Gary needs better coaches up in the booth, because they're not getting the job done.


And guess who gets blamed when assistant coaches aren't getting the job done?

[dbruder44]

I dont think he's bad at challenges, i think he just has bad luck, cause i can remember three or four that with the evidence i saw, i thought it warrented a challenge, then there's a few where its like "why did you challenge that?"

the one that sticks out the most was aginst the steelers i think, where he went for it on 4th down, and everything said to me that schaub went forward enough...but oh well, the refs disagreed.

David Anderson got that first down on third down, then Schaub got it again on 4th down, we got so screwed that game

[TexansRage123]

referee's cause lots of mistakes why u think there are so many rule changes....like the first bronco/chargers game...

[IndyColtsSBXLI]

I fully expect the Texans to be second in the division with 10-6 and go to the PO's,

I think it will be an up year for the Texan's

[TexansRage123]

as much as i want us to go to the playoffs i think its gonna depend on our divison/patriots division...ravens wont be as good.....i think playoffs will look like this...

Patriots, Steelers, Texans, Chargers..Wildcards- Indy + Buffalo..

[IndyColtsSBXLI]

as much as i want us to go to the playoffs i think its gonna depend on our divison/patriots division...ravens wont be as good.....i think playoffs will look like this...

Patriots, Steelers, Texans, Chargers..Wildcards- Indy + Buffalo..

So you got the Texan's winning the division?

[TexansRage123]

yessir...new head coach in indy...poor running game...

[IndyColtsSBXLI]

yessir...new head coach in indy...poor running game...

Good point,

However the running game will improve thanks to the O-line getting healthy, a bad running game didn't hurt us (Record wise) last year,

As for Caldwell... im really loving everything he is saying and i think he will be even more succesfull than Dungy...

We will have to wait and see, but with the Texans D i think it will be a rough road for them, if Matt Scaub can stay healthy i think you all can get 10 wins and a playoff spot, however 10 wins is rarely enough to win the AFC south...

[TexansRage123]

lets see...why did the colts...do good....maybe cause they played...the lions, bears, packers, browns, bengals.....patriots (with injuries), Jaguars , twice....and of course rosenfels cost us one game vs yall...and the last game yall won vs titans was cause they rested starters...so the record..isnt impressive...i knew colts would lose to chargers..they are their cryptonite.

[hougo3]

Most likely we will finish 9-7. 8-8 is more likely than 10-6.

[footballfan412]

Most likely we will finish 9-7. 8-8 is more likely than 10-6.

9-7 would be unacceptable. We let a few games get away last year, and should be able to capture those games this year. Plus, we have a much better schedule than before, so 10 games should be do-able.

[wildroot]

Some seem to have lowered their expectations. What changed?

[SuperstarII]

Some seem to have lowered their expectations. What changed?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM

:D

[wildroot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM

:D

the last 5 seconds....priceless!

[Rett]

Well, I am lowering mine now. 10 and 6 may be unreachable now considering they would have to win 9 of the last 11 games. Unless something unbelievable happens I don't think they can. Possible is a 9-7. If they go 8-8 or less, then look for a new coaching staff for next year.

I think we need one or two big bruisers up front and that would take us over the edge.

The defense needs to jell. They did well the second half, but they need to bring that intensity for 4 quarters which is something they have only done once this year.

With the Bengals coming up, I am not expecting much. I am hoping, but not holding my breath.