Clay Mathews Unofficial Welcome to Houston Thread

[GroovyTexan]

might as well get this one started..... :) Buffalo crushed our realistic trade down scenario today.

Only another Hurricane Ike is going to prevent this from happening! We can dream all we want but we are stuck at 15 and Mathews will be the "BPA that fills a modest need" combo when it is our turn. I don't mind eating crow if I am wrong. :eek:

[TexansRage123]

we just signed buster davis and cato june. and also have xavier adibi and zac diles. we dont need a OLB so its pretty unhighly that he will be ours. there are still other teams that will trade up for josh freeman. or sanchez if he falls.

[GroovyTexan]

we just signed buster davis and cato june. and also have xavier adibi and zac diles. we dont need a OLB so its pretty unhighly that he will be ours. there are still other teams that will trade up for josh freeman. or sanchez if he falls.

Don't go buy the crow yet! You may be wasting your money. ;)

Seriously, do you think any of those guys strike fear in the minds of a QB? Do you think OCs are scheming around them? Are those guys going to put one hand on the ground and rush the QB? How are they at covering TEs? Do you think the fact that our d-line couldn't slow down a RB made Diles look better than he is? Do you want to make a bet that we have no injuries to our LB position and that those coming off of injury our better than they have ever been? Did we cut some LBs a couple of months ago, BTW?

Come on man. Put your spiked Koolaid down. Conversely, I love crow! Hey, it would mean that our front office did something much more brilliant.

[TexansRage123]

Cato June can cover. Thats what he excels at. And like always brought up Diles led our team in tackles til his injury. That covers both outsides. Therefore, only depth concerns us. And who would waste a 1st rounder on that. Id only take him if he is BPA and both Jenkins/Davis are gone. Since its obvious our secondary is most needed now.

[GoldenHolden]

Cato June can cover. Thats what he excels at. And like always brought up Diles led our team in tackles til his injury. That covers both outsides. Therefore, only depth concerns us. And who would waste a 1st rounder on that. Id only take him if he is BPA and both Jenkins/Davis are gone. Since its obvious our secondary is most needed now.

Neither Diles nor June are playmakers. If June was so good, he wouldn't have been so cheap. Diles was serviceable last season but he can't add any pass rush and he made very few big plays. He wasn't tackling guys behind the line either, his tackles were four or five yards downfield. That isn't anything to get excited about. We could easily improve our OLB's.

[Texian]

we just signed buster davis and cato june. and also have xavier adibi and zac diles.

That sounds like an 8-8 team. This is a unofficial Welcome to Houston thread. Next week after the list is released it could become official. What part of Welcome to Houston do you not understand????

[texan3742]

I still don't know why everyone is so high on Clay Matthews... I don't watch a lot of USC football, but man this guy just came out of nowhere. I hope we trade down, and get an extra pick, or 2...

[Texian]

Neither Diles nor June are playmakers. If June was so good, he wouldn't have been so cheap. Diles was serviceable last season but he can't add any pass rush and he made very few big plays. He wasn't tackling guys behind the line either, his tackles were four or five yards downfield. That isn't anything to get excited about. We could easily improve our OLB's.

$1.5 million and $795K just screams I am a 8-8 backup.

[GroovyTexan]

Cato June can cover. Thats what he excels at. And like always brought up Diles led our team in tackles til his injury. That covers both outsides. Therefore, only depth concerns us. And who would waste a 1st rounder on that. Id only take him if he is BPA and both Jenkins/Davis are gone. Since its obvious our secondary is most needed now.

Man! we can agree to disagree.

But please don't tell me how Cato covers TEs from the weakside. Is he superman or something? "Able to jump from the no TE side to the TE side in one bound!" :) And don't just rest on the fact that Diles led the team in tackles because when your leading tackler is your SAM, that really means you have major holes in your d-line in front of the SAM. Guess what? we just replaced that whole side of the line. Guess what again? Diles sack count last year was 1 - against Detroit. Ziles is adequate for sure but he is not an impact type of SAM.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8472

[TheLBCoach]

Connor Barwin will be a Texan before Clay Matthews will, the way I see it.

Go ahead and let your mouth have a seizure Texian.

[GroovyTexan]

Connor Barwin will be a Texan before Clay Matthews will, the way I see it.



DBcoach - the crow bet is on, my friend. Do you want yours de-boned with jalapenos and wrapped in bacon? Give me mine that way if I am so lucky. Mathews is our worst case scenario and I like that. :)

[steelbtexan]

Connor Barwin will be a Texan before Clay Matthews will, the way I see it.

Go ahead and let your mouth have a seizure Texian.

I hope your right.

Not about the seizure thing.

LOL

[zanth91]

we just signed buster davis and cato june. and also have xavier adibi and zac diles. we dont need a OLB so its pretty unhighly that he will be ours. there are still other teams that will trade up for josh freeman. or sanchez if he falls.

Colvin came here last year and didn't exactly fix our problem at DE...

[TexansRage123]

thats weird..cause colvin was a LB.... =[

[vanknights2002]

colvin was a LB but he came in as a DE
I'll be happy if we get Clay

[Whiskeyrbl]

Buster Davis is either TC fodder or a backup, Cato is a WLB. Diles was our starting SLB last year, Matthews is a SLB who happens to be a pass rush specialist. I think if we don't get Malcolm Jenkins we take Matthews. Kubes says the 1st rd. pick has to be an immediate impact player. So there ya go.

[TexansRage123]

Buster Davis is either TC fodder or a backup, Cato is a WLB. Diles was our starting SLB last year, Matthews is a SLB who happens to be a pass rush specialist. I think if we don't get Malcolm Jenkins we take Matthews. Kubes says the 1st rd. pick has to be an immediate impact player. So there ya go.

i agree i want jenkins first...and if he is gone id be alright with matthews...but i think jenkins fills a bigger need.

[Dime]

This has to be the dumbest thread around. Riddle me this... Since when has the front office EVER taken someone outside of AJ that we predicted here this far out. Your going to get your hopes up, just to fail again when they decide on someone else. Then you will yell for 2 months how bad our front office is until they become a star....


See it every year since the franchise started... Thanks to threads like these, will see it again this year.

Dumbest
Thread
EVER!

[GroovyTexan]

This has to be the dumbest thread around. Riddle me this... Since when has the front office EVER taken someone outside of AJ that we predicted here this far out. Your going to get your hopes up, just to fail again when they decide on someone else. Then you will yell for 2 months how bad our front office is until they become a star....


See it every year since the franchise started... Thanks to threads like these, will see it again this year.

Dumbest
Thread
EVER!

LMAO. take your heart medication, dude. this is a forum for fun. Want some crow? :D

[GroovyTexan]

This has to be the dumbest thread around. Riddle me this... Since when has the front office EVER taken someone outside of AJ that we predicted here this far out. Your going to get your hopes up, just to fail again when they decide on someone else. Then you will yell for 2 months how bad our front office is until they become a star....


See it every year since the franchise started... Thanks to threads like these, will see it again this year.

Dumbest
Thread
EVER!

Seriously, are you serious? We all want the Texans to take BPA that makes an impact. My guess is that it is Clay Mathews by default - pay attention to what every other team is doing or who every other team is looking at or who every other's team needs are. I am prepared to eat some crow if it is not.

Don't throw rocks if you are not going to participate. What is your guess? There is plenty of crow to go around. ;)

[TheLBCoach]

Chris Wells will be a Texan before Clay Matthews in my opinion, bruddah. Add him to Connor Barwin.

[GoldenHolden]

Chris Wells will be a Texan before Clay Matthews in my opinion, bruddah. Add him to Connor Barwin.

I gotta go against you on this one DB. Friendly wager, I go Cushing and Sidbury in the first two rounds, you go Wells and Barwin.

[TexansRage123]

I gotta go against you on this one DB. Friendly wager, I go Cushing and Sidbury in the first two rounds, you go Wells and Barwin.

didn't know u liked Cushing...thought this was a Matthews thread :)

[GoldenHolden]

didn't know u liked Cushing...thought this was a Matthews thread :)

Honestly Rage I have bounced around between the two all offseason. The more I think of it though, I like the run stuffing and bit hitting ability of Cushing. I think they both have experience rushing the passer because they both played the elephant position at USC. Matthews is better in coverage but I would rather have a run stuffing OLB than a coverage OLB if I had to choose between the two.

[TexansRage123]

Thats true. Run is our biggest problem first. And Cushing can be taught to cover. I like the idea of Malcom Jenkins becoming our safety/corner and helping against the run. Not to mention he has great ball skills.

[TheLBCoach]

Im not saying Wells and Barwin will go 1-2. I'm saying the Texans will draft one of those guys at 15 before they take Matthews.

Assuming we stay at 15 and make no trade, I think the first 2 Rounds will be

Wells - Sidbury

[GroovyTexan]

Im not saying Wells and Barwin will go 1-2. I'm saying the Texans will draft one of those guys at 15 before they take Matthews.

Assuming we stay at 15 and make no trade, I think the first 2 Rounds will be

Wells - Sidbury


crow for everyone! whose buying? Better yet, whose cooking it? :p

Mathews - A. Brown. How's that for a plate full?

[GroovyTexan]

For the staticians out there - http://www.scoresreport.com/2009/04/17/which-position-is-the-safest-bet-in-the-first-round/

LBs are the second safest pick in the draft........

[TexansRage123]

Its an article done by some random guy who just complied random stats. I perfer the opinions of sport experts not people who have alot of free time on there hands. And the fact still is we dont NEED and OLB. Our secondary is far worse. We have only Dunta as our playmaker who might not be around for the next season. I say we fill that void this year. we can get malcom jenkins/vontae davis (jenkins perferred since davis might be a bust). But I mean imagine malcom jenkins as our corner and sean smith as our safety. im sure no one would have anything against that....

[tgriff00]

I'd be happy with any freak on Defense. Matthews is super athletic, short of Mario we don't have any other freaks on Defense. We need an upgrade in either our LB corp or Secondary. I know Demeco is a great MLB, but hasn't shown to be dominate, freak on the field. Could have been him nursing injury last year that kept him from stepping up, but I still think we need the BDPA in the first, whoever that may be..

[Whiskeyrbl]

Honestly Rage I have bounced around between the two all offseason. The more I think of it though, I like the run stuffing and bit hitting ability of Cushing. I think they both have experience rushing the passer because they both played the elephant position at USC. Matthews is better in coverage but I would rather have a run stuffing OLB than a coverage OLB if I had to choose between the two.
If you watched or listened to any USC games Cushing was not on the fiels on 3rd downs. Why not? Matthews is a better rusher. We need people who can get after the QB and pass cover. In that respect..... Matthews over Cushing.

[Whiskeyrbl]

Its an article done by some random guy who just complied random stats. I perfer the opinions of sport experts not people who have alot of free time on there hands. And the fact still is we dont NEED and OLB. Our secondary is far worse. We have only Dunta as our playmaker who might not be around for the next season. I say we fill that void this year. we can get malcom jenkins/vontae davis (jenkins perferred since davis might be a bust). But I mean imagine malcom jenkins as our corner and sean smith as our safety. im sure no one would have anything against that....

According to our FO OLB is one of our biggest needs.

[ubecool454]

I still don't know why everyone is so high on Clay Matthews... I don't watch a lot of USC football, but man this guy just came out of nowhere. I hope we trade down, and get an extra pick, or 2...

They are high on him because of his dad and uncle. I'm not high on him at all.....if I had to have a USC linebacker it would be Rey maualuga.

[dbruder44]

I don't want him until the mid twenties in a trade down, but the Pats will probabky take him at 23, so unless we trade with Philly for their 21, if we trade with the Bucs for Freeman to 19 I'f love to trade with the eagles for 21 and snare an extra 3rd and 4th

[TexasToro]

I still don't know why everyone is so high on Clay Matthews... I don't watch a lot of USC football, but man this guy just came out of nowhere. I hope we trade down, and get an extra pick, or 2...


If you don't watch a lot of USC football, then of course you would not know why everyone is so high on Clay Matthews. The kid has a tremendous work ethic, great upside, and great bloodlines. He would not be one of those guys who would let money go to his head, and he would not be intimidated about the NFL, he has been around it his whole life (his dad Clay, uncle Bruce, and grandfather Clay played in the NFL). I would love to have this kid on the team.

[C Madd]

They are high on him because of his dad and uncle. I'm not high on him at all.....if I had to have a USC linebacker it would be Rey maualuga.
I'm pretty sure they're high on him because of his ability to pass rush, his athleticism and his work ethic and not only because of his dad and uncle. Also Maualuga plays MLB and we have a Pro Bowl MLB already. The Texans in need of a player who can get after the QB which Matthews does well.

[Dime]

Seriously, are you serious? We all want the Texans to take BPA that makes an impact. My guess is that it is Clay Mathews by default - pay attention to what every other team is doing or who every other team is looking at or who every other's team needs are. I am prepared to eat some crow if it is not.

Don't throw rocks if you are not going to participate. What is your guess? There is plenty of crow to go around. ;)

You are missing the point. People get excited here because someone has an idea of who we are going to pick and everyone runs with it... then when we pick someone else, people yell doom and gloom about how horrible of a pick it is and how we are lost. Threads like this promote the same crap every year and every year it happens! EVERY YEAR!

I have NO problems with people saying who and why people want "insert name here" into the Texans, but dont make it sound like we are "going" to pick them thread. Otherwise, people will be yelling doom and gloom again and I am getting tired of it.

[wildroot]

- pay attention to what every other team is doing or who every other team is looking at or who every other's team needs are. ;)

All we have to worry about is what the 14 teams in front of us are looking at, and no ones looking at Matthews anywhere near 15.

Not up on USC football, but wasn't Cushing starting in front of Matthews? Why wouldn't we want him instead at LB if that's what the powers that be are looking for? Matthews at 15 would be another "reach" but I suppose that wouldn't be a surprise with this team.

[Dime]

Chris Wells will be a Texan before Clay Matthews in my opinion, bruddah. Add him to Connor Barwin.

I personally would love Chris Wells on our team. Thing is, injuries are a fear and just cant see rb in the first round, but things wierd have happen before.

[Dime]

If you don't watch a lot of USC football, then of course you would not know why everyone is so high on Clay Matthews. The kid has a tremendous work ethic, great upside, and great bloodlines. He would not be one of those guys who would let money go to his head, and he would not be intimidated about the NFL, he has been around it his whole life (his dad Clay, uncle Bruce, and grandfather Clay played in the NFL). I would love to have this kid on the team.


Question on him.

Is he so good because he has 3 family members training him the NFL ways since they were (I am meaning - Is he a average athelete with experienced knowledge of the NFL from his family or is he a above average athelete with knowledge). If he only started his senior year (could be wrong about that, just what I have heard about him), I think it would tend to be the previous other than the latter. Can you shed any light on this?

[GoldenHolden]

Question on him.

Is he so good because he has 3 family members training him the NFL ways since they were (I am meaning - Is he a average athelete with experienced knowledge of the NFL from his family or is he a above average athelete with knowledge). If he only started his senior year (could be wrong about that, just what I have heard about him), I think it would tend to be the previous other than the latter. Can you shed any light on this?

I don't think athleticism is the problem. He was great at the combine and the pro day. He has one of the fastest 40 times of all the OLB's and one of the fastest 10 yards splits of anyone going into the draft. I think the thing with him was that he was a late bloomer. His body didn't mature until he was already into school which is why you didn't see him on the field too much early in his career. He was just too small.

[Texian]

Question on him.

Is he so good because he has 3 family members training him the NFL ways since they were (I am meaning - Is he a average athelete with experienced knowledge of the NFL from his family or is he a above average athelete with knowledge). If he only started his senior year (could be wrong about that, just what I have heard about him), I think it would tend to be the previous other than the latter. Can you shed any light on this?

Dime he played behind Keith Rivers. Here is River's bio out high school. Remember Matthews was a walk on. Rivers was a Top 10 draft pick in 2008.

KEITH RIVERS HIGH SCHOOL: His 2003 honors included USA Today All-USA first team, Parade All-American, Super Prep All-American, Prep Star All-American, EA Sports All-American, Insiders.com All-American, Super Prep Elite 50, Prep Star Top 100 Dream Team, Lemming Top 100, Super Prep All-Dixie, Prep Star All-Southeast, FOX Sports Net All-South, Gatorade Florida Player of the Year and Florida Class 6A Mr. Football runnerup as a senior linebacker at Lake Mary (Fla.) High. He had 111 tackles, 14 tackles for loss, 2 sacks and 2 interceptions in 2003. As a junior in 2002, he was a Student Sports Junior All-American and Florida Class 5A second team honoree as he posted 160 tackles, 11 tackles for loss, 4 sacks and 2 interceptions. He made All-State as a sophomore in 2001 when he had 100-plus tackles.

[TexansRage123]

Alot of people SHOULD have good numbers at combine/pro day. They know the date and can train for it. I feel sorry for the people with bad numbers. Means they are lazy and have poor worth ethics. So there combine numbers and pro day numbers arent that impressive. The film is everything.