Anyone else notice a trend with out scouting / selections?

[TiredofSuffering]

We seem to always try to take some uber-athletic kid who may or may not have produced, who has frequently changed positions, who generally didn't stand out, but who has some CRAZY upside. It's almost like we're trying to look like geniuses by finding diamonds in the rough.

Look all the way back.

Jason Babin - We traded half a draft to move up 10 or 12 spots to get this kid because we thought he was an athletic animal. He was a total disaster.

Mario Williams - Did it work out? Hell yes but we clearly took him based on athleticism and potential, not production.

Jacoby Jones - 6'2.5", 210 pounds, 4.38, can't catch a cold in the rain. From a tiny little school where he didn't face a corner bigger than I am for 4 years.

Amobi Okoye - Underaged and oversized with athleticism and the world's greatest upside. Hasn't done jack crap.

Antwan Peek - Come on. Once again, too small for DE, too slow for OLB, took him because he looked like an athletic machine, but he didn't do crap in college and still hasn't.

Duane Brown - This kid gave up more sacks in college than some entire teams. That's not a joke. He is very athletic though and was a tight end when he first got to school, and we reached for a kid with a 3rd round grade by McShay and Kiper, and took him in the first. And by the way, he gave up more sacks than anyone else in the NFL last year if I recall correctly.

I'd like to see us get away from trying to take all the "everybody will be surprised when we steal this super athlete and turn him into a football player" guys and get to taking FOOTBALL PLAYERS from FOOTBALL SCHOOLS who play against REAL COMPETITION, who produce in college.

I like the Cushing pick. Need position, FOOTBALL PLAYER from a FOOTBALL FACTORY, who produced. This Conner Barwin pick is a complete waste. He'll never do anything significant in the league. Too slow for LB, can't cover the pass because he never has had to, too small for DE, total waste of a second round pick.

How much better off would we have been taking a FRIGGING SAFETY, which we have never had in the history of the franchise, especially when Willie Moore from Missouri (who I think has first round talent) was out there? I seriously hate the decisions made by the people in charge of our drafts. It's frustrating as hell.

I'll give them credit for the kid from Alabama as long as they don't try to move him to guard.

[Whiskeyrbl]

We seem to always try to take some uber-athletic kid who may or may not have produced, who has frequently changed positions, who generally didn't stand out, but who has some CRAZY upside. It's almost like we're trying to look like geniuses by finding diamonds in the rough.

Look all the way back.

Jason Babin - We traded half a draft to move up 10 or 12 spots to get this kid because we thought he was an athletic animal. He was a total disaster.

Mario Williams - Did it work out? Hell yes but we clearly took him based on athleticism and potential, not production.

Jacoby Jones - 6'2.5", 210 pounds, 4.38, can't catch a cold in the rain. From a tiny little school where he didn't face a corner bigger than I am for 4 years.

Amobi Okoye - Underaged and oversized with athleticism and the world's greatest upside. Hasn't done jack crap.

Antwan Peek - Come on. Once again, too small for DE, too slow for OLB, took him because he looked like an athletic machine, but he didn't do crap in college and still hasn't.

Duane Brown - This kid gave up more sacks in college than some entire teams. That's not a joke. He is very athletic though and was a tight end when he first got to school, and we reached for a kid with a 3rd round grade by McShay and Kiper, and took him in the first. And by the way, he gave up more sacks than anyone else in the NFL last year if I recall correctly.

I'd like to see us get away from trying to take all the "everybody will be surprised when we steal this super athlete and turn him into a football player" guys and get to taking FOOTBALL PLAYERS from FOOTBALL SCHOOLS who play against REAL COMPETITION, who produce in college.

I like the Cushing pick. Need position, FOOTBALL PLAYER from a FOOTBALL FACTORY, who produced. This Conner Barwin pick is a complete waste. He'll never do anything significant in the league. Too slow for LB, can't cover the pass because he never has had to, too small for DE, total waste of a second round pick.

How much better off would we have been taking a FRIGGING SAFETY, which we have never had in the history of the franchise, especially when Willie Moore from Missouri (who I think has first round talent) was out there? I seriously hate the decisions made by the people in charge of our drafts. It's frustrating as hell.

I'll give them credit for the kid from Alabama as long as they don't try to move him to guard.

I'll have the Crow ready to serve to you for the MNF agaist the Titans.

[Wolf123]

We seem to always try to take some uber-athletic kid who may or may not have produced, who has frequently changed positions, who generally didn't stand out, but who has some CRAZY upside. It's almost like we're trying to look like geniuses by finding diamonds in the rough.

Look all the way back.

Jason Babin - We traded half a draft to move up 10 or 12 spots to get this kid because we thought he was an athletic animal. He was a total disaster.

Mario Williams - Did it work out? Hell yes but we clearly took him based on athleticism and potential, not production.

Jacoby Jones - 6'2.5", 210 pounds, 4.38, can't catch a cold in the rain. From a tiny little school where he didn't face a corner bigger than I am for 4 years.

Amobi Okoye - Underaged and oversized with athleticism and the world's greatest upside. Hasn't done jack crap.

Antwan Peek - Come on. Once again, too small for DE, too slow for OLB, took him because he looked like an athletic machine, but he didn't do crap in college and still hasn't.

Duane Brown - This kid gave up more sacks in college than some entire teams. That's not a joke. He is very athletic though and was a tight end when he first got to school, and we reached for a kid with a 3rd round grade by McShay and Kiper, and took him in the first. And by the way, he gave up more sacks than anyone else in the NFL last year if I recall correctly.

I'd like to see us get away from trying to take all the "everybody will be surprised when we steal this super athlete and turn him into a football player" guys and get to taking FOOTBALL PLAYERS from FOOTBALL SCHOOLS who play against REAL COMPETITION, who produce in college.

I like the Cushing pick. Need position, FOOTBALL PLAYER from a FOOTBALL FACTORY, who produced. This Conner Barwin pick is a complete waste. He'll never do anything significant in the league. Too slow for LB, can't cover the pass because he never has had to, too small for DE, total waste of a second round pick.

How much better off would we have been taking a FRIGGING SAFETY, which we have never had in the history of the franchise, especially when Willie Moore from Missouri (who I think has first round talent) was out there? I seriously hate the decisions made by the people in charge of our drafts. It's frustrating as hell.

I'll give them credit for the kid from Alabama as long as they don't try to move him to guard.

Get over it, You know nothing about Conner Barwin

[PuddleOfGlowing]

TOO SLOW? sheesh...he was faster than all of the USC linebackers...oh well, some people just dont know anything.

[TiredofSuffering]

I know he played one year at DE and he's tiny for a DE in the NFL.

I bet you said the same type of crap when Babin, Brown, Peek, and Jones were taken didn't you?

Ohhhhh nobody knew anything when we selected Okoye with the 10th pick in the draft and he was going to be the savior on the DL. Well here we are two years later and he spends half the game where I do, sitting down.

Thou shalt not criticize the management or the FO eh? I mean after all they've proven themselves haven't they? Oh wait...

Pass the Koolaid, I'm getting a little thirsty and you clearly have enough for all of us.

[Wolf123]

I know he played one year at DE and he's tiny for a DE in the NFL.

I bet you said the same type of crap when Babin, Brown, Peek, and Jones were taken didn't you?

Ohhhhh nobody knew anything when we selected Okoye with the 10th pick in the draft and he was going to be the savior on the DL. Well here we are two years later and he spends half the game where I do, sitting down.

Thou shalt not criticize the management or the FO eh? I mean after all they've proven themselves haven't they? Oh wait...

Pass the Koolaid, I'm getting a little thirsty and you clearly have enough for all of us.

Your not worth anyone's time to try and rebute all that crap

[TiredofSuffering]

TOO SLOW? sheesh...he was faster than all of the USC linebackers...oh well, some people just dont know anything.

Has he ever covered a tight end? And even if he COULD move ot OLB, we just signed CAto June, we drafted an OLB in the first round, and we drafted Adibi last year. That's saying nothing of Diles returning from injury.

Nope. They drafted him as a DE and a 255 pound DE doesn't cut it in the NFL.

Y'all save this post: Conner Barwin was a mistake. I'll be glad to print it and eat it if he's a star. We should have taken Willie Moore. When Barwin gets stoned at the line by a stud LT and whoever our crappy safety is gets burned deep, you can print this and eat it.

[Neo]

Since Connor Barwin ran a 4.47 at his pro day, how can you say he is to slow to play LB?

[Whiskeyrbl]

I know he played one year at DE and he's tiny for a DE in the NFL.

I bet you said the same type of crap when Babin, Brown, Peek, and Jones were taken didn't you?

Ohhhhh nobody knew anything when we selected Okoye with the 10th pick in the draft and he was going to be the savior on the DL. Well here we are two years later and he spends half the game where I do, sitting down.

Thou shalt not criticize the management or the FO eh? I mean after all they've proven themselves haven't they? Oh wait...

Pass the Koolaid, I'm getting a little thirsty and you clearly have enough for all of us.

He played most of the year last year with a high ankle sprain. Plus he is an up the field type player that was stuck in a read and react system. Watch him this year I bet you see a different player in a system built to his strengths.

[TiredofSuffering]

Your not worth anyone's time to try and rebute all that crap

Dude, if you're going to argue with me and espouse your own superiority you need to learn the difference between "your" and "you're", and learn the word "rebutt".

How can I respect your opinion when you clearly have neither innate intelligence nor education?

[Wolf123]

Has he ever covered a tight end? And even if he COULD move ot OLB, we just signed CAto June, we drafted an OLB in the first round, and we drafted Adibi last year. That's saying nothing of Diles returning from injury.

Nope. They drafted him as a DE and a 255 pound DE doesn't cut it in the NFL.

Y'all save this post: Conner Barwin was a mistake. I'll be glad to print it and eat it if he's a star. We should have taken Willie Moore. When Barwin gets stoned at the line by a stud LT and whoever our crappy safety is gets burned deep, you can print this and eat it.

William moore couldn't cover me out there! If your going to make points atleast know something about the player you wanted them to take. SHEEESH

[TiredofSuffering]

Since Connor Barwin ran a 4.47 at his pro day, how can you say he is to slow to play LB?

What did he run at the Combine? Pro Days are hand-timed and I want to know what he did when he had the exact same circumstances everyone else did.

Even if he ran a 4.5, he has never covered a TE or a RB out of the backfield and do you want to spend a 2nd round pick on an OLB when we just got one in the 1st round, just signed Cato June, and picked up Adibi last year?

[Neo]

It is called depth, you have to be able to rotate you lineman to keep them fresh and keep them healthy. He will be a 3rd down DE out of the gate.

[Wolf123]

what did he run at the combine? Pro days are hand-timed and i want to know what he did when he had the exact same circumstances everyone else did.

Even if he ran a 4.5, he has never covered a te or a rb out of the backfield and do you want to spend a 2nd round pick on an olb when we just got one in the 1st round, just signed cato june, and picked up adibi last year?

he"s a defensive end!!!!!!!!! God please look into basic facts before u post!

[TexansMVP]

A. First off, Peek and Babin were under the old regime and really has nothing to do with our current coaches and management.

B. Upside and potential means nothing w/o good coaches/system, and I feel we have a pretty solid staff in place. Not saying that we are anywhere near the Patriots, but when you look at how they draft, they employ a similar approach. Good teams can afford to do such things when they believe in their coaching staff and trust that they can develop these players.

[theyoungNwild]

Amobi Okoye - Underaged and oversized with athleticism and the world's greatest upside. Hasn't done jack crap.


He had a sophmore slump at age 22. You are really gonna ride his *** for that?

[ThaShark316]

Hmmm (10.)

(I'm not agreeing with you, I just wanted to officially see the 1st part of my sig make sense for the 1st time since I put it up).

[TiredofSuffering]

he"s a defensive end!!!!!!!!! God please look into basic facts before u post!

You DON'T GET IT. I KNOW he's a defensive end. He weighs 255 pounds. My point is that THE ONLY WAY he plays in the NFL at 255 is if they move him to OLB, and if we drafted him as an OLB then we wasted a piock considering we have already spent picks and money on outside linebackers.

If he stays at DE, how in the hell is he supposed to compete against LTs when he weighs less than you do? Playing ONE ****ED YEAR of DE at Cincinnati does not make you a DE in the NFL, and for sure not at 255.

If he wasn't selected as a guy to spin out to OLB he was a... nevermind. You don't get it.

He was taken because he's a boy scout. Same as this 25 rated safety we just took over a dozen people that every draft expert in the country had rated higher. He was on the Dean's List and the Student Advisory Council. Same crap as Barwin. Our ownership sucks.

The proof is in the pudding. 7 years, 8-8 at best.

[pure_respect]

I find it funny that he talks about basing NFL picks off of college production, then states that he would have rather taken William Moore, who did not produce his senior year or look very good at the Senior Bowl/Combine.

Meanwhile Connor Barwin led his confrence in sacks, blocked three field goals, was named to the First Team All Big East, and really turned heads in the Senior Bowl/Combine, despite only playing DE for one year. Dwight Freeney would disagree about him being too small.

[mmtex63]

You DON'T GET IT. I KNOW he's a defensive end. He weighs 255 pounds. My point is that THE ONLY WAY he plays in the NFL at 255 is if they move him to OLB, and if we drafted him as an OLB then we wasted a piock considering we have already spent picks and money on outside linebackers.

If he stays at DE, how in the hell is he supposed to compete against LTs when he weighs less than you do? Playing ONE ****ED YEAR of DE at Cincinnati does not make you a DE in the NFL, and for sure not at 255.

If he wasn't selected as a guy to spin out to OLB he was a... nevermind. You don't get it.

He was taken because he's a boy scout. Same as this 25 rated safety we just took over a dozen people that every draft expert in the country had rated higher. He was on the Dean's List and the Student Advisory Council. Same crap as Barwin. Our ownership sucks.

The proof is in the pudding. 7 years, 8-8 at best.

not too cool saying our ownership sucks - be glad we have a ****ing owner, dumb***

[Scotty Smalls14]

I guess you don't remember how productive Okoye was in his rookie year and how he had nagging injurys all of last year, so yea he's gonna have a bad year being injured.

[doodyps]

Man, I never understood your breed. The fan that hates his team and never sees anything to like. its the draft. You're only going to look like a fool over reacting about all the picks. NO ONE ever knows anything about these kids until they start playing. You can't sit there in front of the tv and panic at every turn. I think Barwin was questionable as well, but you can panic. Let's see some preseason and camp film first.

by the way...He's 6'4 256. No reason to believe he can't add 8-10lbs and that puts him in the weight range of all the decent-elite speed rushers in the NFL. They dont all look like mario.

I look at him like as 3rd down speed rusher. Thats something we've lacked and why we tried out colvin last year. Give the guy a chance.

[Wolf123]

You DON'T GET IT. I KNOW he's a defensive end. He weighs 255 pounds. My point is that THE ONLY WAY he plays in the NFL at 255 is if they move him to OLB, and if we drafted him as an OLB then we wasted a piock considering we have already spent picks and money on outside linebackers.

If he stays at DE, how in the hell is he supposed to compete against LTs when he weighs less than you do? Playing ONE ****ED YEAR of DE at Cincinnati does not make you a DE in the NFL, and for sure not at 255.

If he wasn't selected as a guy to spin out to OLB he was a... nevermind. You don't get it.

He was taken because he's a boy scout. Same as this 25 rated safety we just took over a dozen people that every draft expert in the country had rated higher. He was on the Dean's List and the Student Advisory Council. Same crap as Barwin. Our ownership sucks.

The proof is in the pudding. 7 years, 8-8 at best.

Yes he'll never make it at that weight, signed Mathis, Freeney, Taylor, john abrahms, joey porter, gaines adam. I'd stop posting your making yourself look like you don't know football.

[Wolf123]

I find it funny that he talks about basing NFL picks off of college production, then states that he would have rather taken William Moore, who did not produce his senior year or look very good at the Senior Bowl/Combine.

Meanwhile Connor Barwin led his confrence in sacks, blocked three field goals, was named to the First Team All Big East, and really turned heads in the Senior Bowl/Combine, despite only playing DE for one year. Dwight Freeney would disagree about him being too small.

I know! Its one thing to be negative but he should atleast get stats right

[doodyps]

well freeney is over 265lbs, Barwin could probably be that size too though

[TexansNutt]

A. First off, Peek and Babin were under the old regimen and really has nothing to do with our current coaches and management.

B. Upside and potential means nothing w/o good coaches/system, and I feel we have a pretty solid staff in place. Not saying that we are anywhere near the Patriots, but when you look at how they draft, they employ a similar approach. Good teams can afford to do such things when they believe in their coaching staff and trust that they can develop these players.

I agree totally. The trend I see is we are drafting football players. I believe the coaches and scouts know alot more about the players they're drafting (and about to pay a ton of money to and could cost them thier jobs) than the armchair QB's we all are. I wanted different guys too. But I have faith in our FO.

[Wolf123]

well freeney is over 265lbs, Barwin could probably be that size too though

Yea but he wasn't when he came into the league and dominated.

[pure_respect]

well freeney is over 265lbs, Barwin could probably be that size too though

Barwin has probably been keeping his weight at 255 in case an NFL team called him to play TE or OLB. No sense in putting on 10 pounds and just have to lose it again.

I expect him to put it on pretty quickly before the regular season. It might affect his first step a little for the first half of the season but he should grow into it.

[DTexan]

The only real trend Im seeing...

We're getting smart, high energy guys that can possibly make their side of the ball that much more flexible with their own position, with the possibility of playing another for different looks, scheme-wise.

[Texian]

They drafted him as a DE and a 255 pound DE doesn't cut it in the NFL.

Hey, you might be on to something!

Signed,

Michael Strahan, Dwight Freeney, John Abraham

[Wolf123]

Yes he'll never make it at that weight, signed Mathis, Freeney, Taylor, john abrahms, joey porter, gaines adam. I'd stop posting your making yourself look like you don't know football.

Hey, you might be on to something!

Signed,

Michael Strahan, Dwight Freeney, John Abraham

I already beat you too the post! lol

[wildroot]

The only real trend Im seeing...

We're getting smart, high energy guys that can possibly make their side of the ball that much more flexible with their own position, with the possibility of playing another for different looks, scheme-wise.

I'm going to try to remember that when Slaton gets dinged up and we have to push Brown out on the field.

[Wolf123]

I'm going to try to remember that when Slaton gets dinged up and we have to push Brown out on the field.

More like wheel him out onto the field!

[Extinction]

ryans, diles, adibi, and june why waste our first 2 picks on lb's when there are bigger needs?

[DTexan]

I think some of you need to realize that there is more than one way to get the kind of RB we need. Esp, considering the system we use. Yall need to let the folks that get paid to do this do this.


Im not a big fan of some of our picks. But, like Ive stated before....Smith and Kubes haven't given us a reason to think they don't know what they're doing for the team they're closest to.

If nothing else, wait to see these guys play a down. Smith and Kubes has earned that much.

[InterestedJeff]

i wasnt really feelin the barwin pick either... I dont understand taking, at best, a backup end or linebacker. He seems like a fantastic athlete and I'm sure there are many teams that he could work really well with, I just dont think it's ours. Why draft a player that will be working as a backup for his entire career?

[Wolf123]

ryans, diles, adibi, and june why waste our first 2 picks on lb's when there are bigger needs?

The second one connor barwin is a DE. Alittle friendly advise, people will listen to what you have to say if you look into fact first.

[Wolf123]

i wasnt really feelin the barwin pick either... I dont understand taking, at best, a backup end or linebacker. He seems like a fantastic athlete and I'm sure there are many teams that he could work really well with, I just dont think it's ours. Why draft a player that will be working as a backup for his entire career?

You can see into the future? LOL

[InterestedJeff]

You can see into the future? LOL

no but i can see that Smith signed a long term deal and Williams is here for the long haul, both are the positions that Barwin would play both are takin by long term players. We got a 3rd down starter in the second round. Period.

[Wolf123]

no but i can see that Smith signed a long term deal and Williams is here for the long haul, both are the positions that Barwin would play both are takin by long term players. We got a 3rd down starter in the second round. Period.

well seeing how miami used a 2nd rounder to run the wildcat, and the giants draft pass rushers even with strahan, osi, tuck. Getting pressure on 3rd down is one of the most important things in football. Also what if one of the ends got hurt? We'd have no one with real pass rushing ability to back him up.

[InterestedJeff]

well seeing how miami used a 2nd rounder to run the wildcat, and the giants draft pass rushers even with strahan, osi, tuck. Getting pressure on 3rd down is one of the most important things in football. Also what if one of the ends got hurt? We'd have no one with real pass rushing ability to back him up.

i liked what i was seeing from Bowman last season. If we can find a spot for Barwin then I'm good with the pick. I just think it's a big risk to draft a player in the second round that doesnt have a projected position that fits our team.

[pure_respect]

i liked what i was seeing from Bowman last season. If we can find a spot for Barwin then I'm good with the pick. I just think it's a big risk to draft a player in the second round that doesnt have a projected position that fits our team.

Did you mean Bulman?

[InterestedJeff]

Did you mean Bulman?

yeah, my bad

[TexansfaninNY]

There goes Dillard, another guy I liked. I think we should draft another QB later as well, preferably Harrell. But, there are other needs before that though.

You need to understand that most of those picks were under the old regime. I, for one, was extremely happy that the Texans took Williams over Bush and Young. I was the only one I knew that thought that the Texans should take Williams. Everyone was tellling me that I'd have to become a Reggie Bush fan because we would draft him. When I heard that we signed Williams, I was the happiest person alive. I had no faith that Bush would be worth the 1st, and he hasnt been worth it so far. The only 2 picks Im not a fan of are Cushing and Quin, but I am warming up to them, especially after seeing the blunders that Al Davis has made, lol.

[TiredofSuffering]

I didn't have a problem with taking Williams over Young and Bush, my problem was that we could have traded down to 4 with NY and gotten the #s 4, 29, and 109 picks and still gotten Williams with the 4th pick. Hell, we'd have paid him less AND he wouldn't have had all that pressure of having been "that guy".

This draft really confuses the hell out of me. That corner/safety from New Mexico was rated lower than a dozen other guys at either position who were still available, we still have no safety help because he says he's going to play corner, and two tight ends, one who can't block and one who can't run. I don't get it.

[InterestedJeff]

So far every pick has been used on a guy that can play multiple positions. I've never seen a draft that has stuck to that philosophy the whole way through. Maybe it'll work out.