A te.....really!!!???

[theyoungNwild]

Ok, this is the first bone-headed move we made so far. Unless they know that Jennings and Brown are falling to the 5th, they just missed out on two backs that could help out Slaton. If they are relying on Chris Brown, this is going to be another hell of a year at the goal line.....

[Wolf123]

Ok, this is the first bone-headed move we made so far. Unless they know that Jennings and Brown are falling to the 5th, they just missed out on two backs that could help out Slaton. If they are relying on Chris Brown, this is going to be another hell of a year at the goal line.....

Thats what people said when they pick a player named owne daniels in the fourth round.

[mydaughters2]

THIS WAS A WASTE OF A PICK ANOTHER TE, ONLY 4 RECEPTIONS IN 2008 WORTHLESS PICK. SIGN OWEN TO A LONG TERM CONTRACT WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE THEY DOING? SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THE TEXANS ON THIS PICK!!!!!!:mad:

[pure_respect]

I'm having a hard time believing that we traded Sage for a blocking TE. I'll get over it I guess.

[theyoungNwild]

well we already have a great TE in the man you just mentioned. Is he a blocking TE or something? (Hill I mean)

[doodyps]

I somewhat agree, but won't call it boneheaded unless we dont get our 220lb powerback.

We do need a TE after Bruener retired, and nonebody here liked the OD pick in the forth a few years ago, but RB is a HUGE need. If we lost slaton, I dont know what would happen to our season. I pray we get one in the 5th and about 6 others as udfa's.

[mydaughters2]

thats what people said when they pick a player named owne daniels in the fourth round.

owen had more than 4 receptions in his final college season though ! Is owen on the chopping block or what?

[HuttoKarl]

THIS WAS A WASTE OF A PICK ANOTHER TE, ONLY 4 RECEPTIONS IN 2008 WORTHLESS PICK. SIGN OWEN TO A LONG TERM CONTRACT WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE THEY DOING? SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THE TEXANS ON THIS PICK!!!!!!:mad:

6'5" 262 lbs.

4 TD's on 19 rec's.

HUGE end zone target and a good blocker.

That's what they were thinking.

[mydaughters2]

i somewhat agree, but won't call it boneheaded unless we dont get our 220lb powerback.

We do need a te after bruener retired, and nonebody here liked the od pick in the forth a few years ago, but rb is a huge need. If we lost slaton, i dont know what would happen to our season. I pray we get one in the 5th and about 6 others as udfa's.


highly agree running back was needed to be picked here !

[DTexan]

I think we should wait to see how this works out. If this is a bonehead move...it ain't the first, so chill.

Smith and Kubes know they're doing, until proven otherwise. They've earned it.

[GroovyTexan]

Ok, this is the first bone-headed move we made so far. Unless they know that Jennings and Brown are falling to the 5th, they just missed out on two backs that could help out Slaton. If they are relying on Chris Brown, this is going to be another hell of a year at the goal line.....

crazy. i mean this is bordering on total recklessness. If Slaton goes down, we are hosed next year. Why take a TE project when your season is one injury away from becoming a disaster? Our offense was so good because we had a solid RB - which opened up the passing game for us. This "don't take a RB because of our ZBS scheme" thing is totally ego driven.

[Whiskeyrbl]

6'5" 262 lbs.

4 TD's on 19 rec's.

HUGE end zone target and a good blocker.

That's what they were thinking.

also said to maybe project to a G in the NFL

[TransplantTexan1]

They didn't draft this guy to replace Owen Daniels. They drafted him because he's a younger, stronger version of Mark Bruener. I would've liked a RB as well but I'm thinking the FO believes that a good RB will still be available in the 5th round.

[BaylorTXN]

a wee-bit surprising, but there are still several RBs available in the 5th (rashad, andre brown, gartrell, chris Ogbonnaya)...don't fret yet. OD has worked out fairly well for us so far

[mydaughters2]

They just showed this cat only having 4 receptions for all of 2008, worthless pick! We needed a big goaline back which will not be in the 5th........

[ShowStopper]

I am sorry, but Sage was much more valuable then this pck turned out to be....by miles. I dont care if we did lose him to FA next year and got nothing for him. This pick just pisses me off.

[mydaughters2]

a wee-bit surprising, but there are still several rbs available in the 5th (rashad, andre brown, gartrell, chris ogbonnaya)...don't fret yet. Od has worked out fairly well for us so far


yes od is stellar compared to some unproven te with only 4 receptions for 2008 ......andre brown is what we needed !

[mydaughters2]

If the texans think chris brown and moats are the answer if slaton goes does down, they are smoking some good stuff !:)

[HuttoKarl]

Still a bevy of RB"s out there.

Brown,
Peerman,
Williams,
Ogbannaya,
PJ Hill,
Gartrell Johnson,

Don't flip out about RB's yet.

[GoldenHolden]

I knew the Texans would take a TE but I didn't think it would be before RB. I don't care how many catches this guy had, he will be a blocking TE. It may not be a sexy position but they are important to the short yardage game. There are still about 4 rb's out there that can help us (Jennings, Brown, Peerman, forgot the other). Don't worry we will be ok. If this turns out to be a bust then so be it. Don't forget, this was the 122 pick of the draft. Not really high expectations for that spot.

[HuttoKarl]

yes od is stellar compared to some unproven te with only 4 receptions for 2008 ......andre brown is what we needed !

4 TD receptions.

19 catches. He missed four games.

Get over it.

[BaylorTXN]

yes od is stellar compared to some unproven te with only 4 receptions for 2008 ......andre brown is what we needed !

I was commenting on Kubiak's short history of selecting TEs in the 4th...Perhaps they're not too impressed with Dreesen.

PS: he had 19 rec in 2008 for 4 TDs...not just 4 ****ing receptions

[DTexan]

Maybe, he'll be more of a blocking TE. We DO need one.

Some of you are too enamored with stats.

[khlonghorn]

i was praying brown or jennings would still be there for us on either pick in the 4th, let alone be there in the 5th. either can be plucked off the board any minute.

[HuttoKarl]

i was praying brown or jennings would still be there for us on either pick in the 4th, let alone be there in the 5th. either can be plucked off the board any minute.

San Diego may take a RB, but most of the other teams remaining in this round are pretty set at the position.

[GroovyTexan]

Still a bevy of RB"s out there.

Brown,
Peerman,
Williams,
Ogbannaya,
PJ Hill,
Gartrell Johnson,

Don't flip out about RB's yet.

Other than Brown, do you want to bet our season on any of them?
[pause]
I didn't think so.

[DTexan]

Well, the dude that Ive always wanted is still there. G. Johnson out of CSt.

[GoldenHolden]

Other than Brown, do you want to bet our season on any of them?
[pause]
I didn't think so.

We are talking about backs that will probobly be taken in the 5th round or later. That means every team passed them multiple times. They obviously aren't held in that high of a regard, Brown included.

[khlonghorn]

there he goes to the NYG

[HuttoKarl]

Other than Brown, do you want to bet our season on any of them?
[pause]
I didn't think so.

Andre's a Giant. Go become a Giants fan.

I'm betting the season on Steve Slaton and a late-round back splitting carries and staying healthy. Players will be cut between now and the beginning of the season. UDFA's are out there when the day is done. Panicking now isn't going to do anything except make you eat Rolaids.

[BaylorTXN]

Other than Brown, do you want to bet our season on any of them?
[pause]
I didn't think so.

You're right...I'll bet on Slaton! Whomever we pick will be a COMPLIMENT back who will share the load, possibly only 5 -10 carries a game this season if are others are healthy.

[HuttoKarl]

Well, the dude that Ive always wanted is still there. G. Johnson out of CSt.

We have a coach that seems to look to the mountains on draft day, don't we?

[mydaughters2]

We have plenty of TE's they just signed Joel to a long term and Anthony Courtney, what is the deal plus Owen still unsigned......I just pray Slaton does not go down !!!!:mad:

[DCtex]

We grabbed a blocking TE, maybe he will be bigger impact on our running game than A. Brown would have been. We will see.

[Wolf123]

owen had more than 4 receptions in his final college season though ! Is owen on the chopping block or what?

Do you know more about TE then Kubiak? Owen daniels may be wanting 20 million guaranteed and he aint getting that from the texans.

[Texian]

This guy is a Gibbs Blocking TE. Why didn't they just draft Oher in the 1st and move Brown to a Blocking TE. That way they would be better at LT and have a very good Blocking TE. Improve two position with one pick.

[mydaughters2]

So much for Andre !!!!!

[GroovyTexan]

there he goes to the NYG

and Anthony Hill would have been there in the 5th. Utter bonehead move. This reminds me of some of Kubes calls during crunch time in a game. Big time boneheaded call passing on A. Brown. This is why people should take notes on how the Giants' draft. They don't make boneheaded decisions.

[BaylorTXN]

per nfldraftcountdown.com

Anthony Hill

Strengths:
Outstanding size and bulk...Has a huge frame with long arms...Tough and physical...Excellent strength...An outstanding blocker...Stout at the point and gets a good push...Soft, reliable hands...Can be a threat in the redzone...Works well in traffic and can take a hit...Understands how to get open...May offer some versatility...Has a lot of experience.

Weaknesses:
Does not have great speed or quickness...Average athleticism...Not a big play threat and won't stretch the field...Does not get much separation...Won't do much after the catch...Will have the occasional lapse in concentration...Durability may be an issue...Upside is limited.

[mydaughters2]

Maybe one of these TE's we have can run the ball for Slaton if he get's hurt !!!!:)

[BaylorTXN]

and anthony hill would have been there in the 5th. Utter bonehead move. This reminds me of some of kubes calls during crunch time in a game. Big time boneheaded call passing on a. Brown. This is why people should take notes on how the giants' draft. They don't make boneheaded decisions.

rofl

[mydaughters2]

and anthony hill would have been there in the 5th. Utter bonehead move. This reminds me of some of kubes calls during crunch time in a game. Big time boneheaded call passing on a. Brown. This is why people should take notes on how the giants' draft. They don't make boneheaded decisions.

bravo could not have said it better !!!!!:):)

[crunchyfrogs]

It appears the Texans may be in "best available" mode now. Maybe their intent is bringing in a big, blocking TE and letting him impress enough to be trade material. Who knows? We can't read the minds of those making the decisions.

[mydaughters2]

They must be rolling fat ones in the texans war room !!!!

[Texan Naija]

I was commenting on Kubiak's short history of selecting TEs in the 4th...Perhaps they're not too impressed with Dreesen.

PS: he had 19 rec in 2008 for 4 TDs...not just 4 ****ing receptions

I think they really like Dreesen, but the fact is while he is a better blocker then OD (who has been trying to improve), he is not a great one. If anything, it tells that the front office is worried about getting Owen signed.

Which makes sense, because they have a lot of the big contracts coming up around this time, with OD, Ryans, D. Rob and I am sure a few of the other recently drafted guys that are proving invaluable. OD won't be cheap to resign and with money on so many others, they might be thinking an insurance policy if they have to let OD go have Dressen or Hill step in.

[DTexan]

I love fresh panic in April

[Wolf123]

I love it when people say we could of gotten this player later! No one knows b/c your not in any of the 32 draft rooms.

[khlonghorn]

unless theyve specifically targeted a rb that they know will be there in 5,6, or 7 ala gartrell johnson, im disappointed they havent addressed the rb to spell slaton and/or gl, short yardage back. this was one of the higher needs besides an olb, c, de and 2ndary. speaking of which, they still need a safety and havent addressed this yet either.

[dattexboy]

Our developmental team Denver signed all those running backs this offseason so you know they're going to release them and we will be there to pick up the left overs...bank on that!

[Schlauton]

Here is what NFL.com said about him

Pick Analysis: Hill is a big, blocking tight end with adequate speed. He is almost like having a third tackle in the game. He's probably the best blocking tight end in this draft. The Texans have the receiving tight end in Owen Daniels, and now they have the blocker to go along with him

[BaylorTXN]

unless theyve specifically targeted a rb that they know will be there in 5,6, or 7 ala gartrell johnson, im disappointed they havent addressed the rb to spell slaton and/or gl, short yardage back. this was one of the higher needs besides an olb, c, de and 2ndary. speaking of which, they still need a safety and havent addressed this yet either.

Glover Quin is projected to S

[GroovyTexan]

I love it when people say we could of gotten this player later! No one knows b/c your not in any of the 32 draft rooms.

grab some common sense, Wolf. i guy with 19 catches, no speed, and rated as a 5th or 6th round talent. How can that guy be rated high enough for a 4th round pick on anyone's board? How can he be rated higher than A. Brown on our board? Pure nonsense.

This is an ego thing that our coaches have about their blocking scheme being more important than talent. Sure it works between the 20s - but it does not work so well inside the 20s where we need those yards the most.

[mydaughters2]

I guess they think Slaton will never get hurt he is Superman.......Well if it don't go well Gary, Matt Slob and Rick Smith start packing your bags, this is the last chance for them to get this right, since we have to pay Matt Slob extra money after this year !!!!:mad:

[BaylorTXN]

Here is what NFL.com said about him

Pick Analysis: Hill is a big, blocking tight end with adequate speed. He is almost like having a third tackle in the game. He's probably the best blocking tight end in this draft. The Texans have the receiving tight end in Owen Daniels, and now they have the blocker to go along with him

great point! nfldraftcountdown.com also said people were projecting he could possibly be plugged in at OT for a team that wants to coach him into it

[mydaughters2]

grab some common sense, wolf. I guy with 19 catches, no speed, and rated as a 5th or 6th round talent. How can that guy be rated high enough for a 4th round pick on anyone's board? How can he be rated higher than a. Brown on our board? Pure nonsense.

This is an ego thing that our coaches have about their blocking scheme being more important than talent. Sure it works between the 20s - but it does not work so well inside the 20s where we need those yards the most.


bravo great post !

[Texian]

They had to get him to help Duane Brown. Brown needs the help.

[BaylorTXN]

well Gartrell just went off the board...hope they didnt want him ;-)

[InterestedJeff]

Glover Quin is projected to S

"They told me I was coming in as a corner," Quin said of his conversations with Texans coaches. "I'm looking to play the nickel corner and just keep practicing and try to move into the starting lineup."

I think he can play both...

[DTexan]

Here is what NFL.com said about him

Pick Analysis: Hill is a big, blocking tight end with adequate speed. He is almost like having a third tackle in the game. He's probably the best blocking tight end in this draft. The Texans have the receiving tight end in Owen Daniels, and now they have the blocker to go along with him

Exactly.

Some of these folks will be singing a different verse when we have 4 downs to punch-it-in, and come up with nothing.

[Wolf123]

grab some common sense, Wolf. i guy with 19 catches, no speed, and rated as a 5th or 6th round talent. How can that guy be rated high enough for a 4th round pick on anyone's board? How can he be rated higher than A. Brown on our board? Pure nonsense.

This is an ego thing that our coaches have about their blocking scheme being more important than talent. Sure it works between the 20s - but it does not work so well inside the 20s where we need those yards the most.

I forgot your right, you do know more then kubiak.

[DTexan]

well Gartrell just went off the board...hope they didnt want him ;-)

I hope they didn't. Cuz, I know I did

[Dayad]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with picking a blocking TE. OD is a receiving TE. But I agree, a more immediate need was RB

[Mr.Scarface]

grab some common sense, Wolf. i guy with 19 catches, no speed, and rated as a 5th or 6th round talent. How can that guy be rated high enough for a 4th round pick on anyone's board? How can he be rated higher than A. Brown on our board? Pure nonsense.

This is an ego thing that our coaches have about their blocking scheme being more important than talent. Sure it works between the 20s - but it does not work so well inside the 20s where we need those yards the most.

Are you an NFL coach? No....u are some ***** who thinks he knows better because he watches football on TV.

The Texans know what they are doing....and what their needs are.

[GroovyTexan]

I forgot your right, you do know more then kubiak.

Making it personal I see....... Sorry not taking the bait.

It is a bonehead decision to not address RB when a top talent in our spot is on the board and it is an area that Kubes his ownself suggested we needed to address. Pick on this point, not me.

[Wolf123]

Making it personal I see....... Sorry not taking the bait.

It is a bonehead decision to not address RB when a top talent in our spot is on the board and it is an area that Kubes his ownself suggested we needed to address. Pick on this point, not me.

Your right I apologize. I don't think you can judge who they take where till the end of the daft. What if they get a guy they wanted at RB in the 5th? If andre brown was the top player on there board then they would have taken him at the beggining of the fourth.

[Wolf123]

It doesnt matter to me if Slaton is healthy all year or not we still need a good running back. Good chance he will not be healthy all year. Most RB's get nicked up at some point. If we make the playoffs the season is even longer. Weither we get one or not we have passed on several chances and now they are starting to fall from the board. I think its stupid risk to take a chance on a RB that is drafted in the 5th or 6th round being productive espicially when your drafting backups for DB and TE spots. So you pay an extra $500,000 for a better RB in the 4th, seems like more production would come from that area. If Owen Daniels leaves then draft a good TE after he leaves.

Our running scheme allows for RB to excel quickly and you don't have to use high picks on them. For a player who only 5-10 carries, I don't have a problem with a late round pick or undrafted free agent

[TexSid]

while I am not thrilled at the idea of a blocking TE as the pick:
1. he has nothing to do with OD not being signed
2. He does have something to do with our inability to block in goal line situations.

As for a RB- well I guess I would have picked one in the 4th but they know more about our RB needs than I do.....

[gforce365]

the Texans pick a player who can help protect on the line. i dont see the problem with the pick. i doubt Owens job is in Jeopardy. people fall in love with "names" and not so much the players who fit with our system. if you feel the Texans are making such horrible pick, why don't you apply for a job in the front office. it kills me how some of the same people who threw the FO under the bus for picking Mario, or not getting a 1st round RB last year, etc would still question what these guys are doing. lets see how this class looks on the field next season then make your decision. enjoy the rest of the draft.

[Whiskeyrbl]

the Texans pick a player who can help protect on the line. i dont see the problem with the pick. i doubt Owens job is in Jeopardy. people fall in love with "names" and not so much the players who fit with our system. if you feel the Texans are making such horrible pick, why don't you apply for a job in the front office. it kills me how some of the same people who threw the FO under the bus for picking Mario, or not getting a 1st round RB last year, etc would still question what these guys are doing. lets see how this class looks on the field next season then make your decision. enjoy the rest of the draft.

AMEN BROTHER + REP x 1000

[Whiskeyrbl]

on the clock

[Whiskeyrbl]

Giants take Rhett Bomar

[Texizgreat]

Another TE?!?!?

[theyoungNwild]

Apparently we don't like Owen Daniels because we just got James Casey.....REALLY!

RASHAD JENNINGS COME ON PEOPLE!

[DTexan]

I like the Casey pick up. Like I said...we're going for guys that can do more than one thing. And, we've got the guy that does about 10 things.

[InterestedJeff]

I like the Casey pick up. Like I said...we're going for guys that can do more than one thing. And, we've got the guy that does about 10 things.

That is true. So far all of our picks can play multiple positions. That's a different draft philosophy... maybe it'll work out

[Se7en]

I am not reading all of these replies... THINK RED ZONE BLOCKING TE!!!

If we can get some insane blocking on the end with Hill we should be pretty effective in the red zone.

I would have leaned toward a RB, but perhaps the team did not place as much value there since we already have Slaton? We will see.

[Se7en]

If Owen Daniels leaves then draft a good TE after he leaves.

???

So instead of picking up a great stud tight end now in the draft and trading Owen so that we get something in return... you want us to let Owen leave and then draft a TE once we have a hole?

The way smart teams work the draft is that they find value late in the draft with high potential... AKA Daniels. Then when Owen starts to play out of his mind they trade him and turn a 4th round pick into multiple 1st or 2nd round picks. They want to continue to move forward, not tread water with just keeping players around long enough to benefit on the field until they are gone.

The Texans are doing this right if they intend on trading Owen, if not I am confused.