Most dissapointing drafts

[da sheetz]

According to NFL Total access during their 4 downs the texans had one of the most dissapointing drafts bc of their 2nd round pick..........I have to agree with their assesment bc why draft connor barwin at that spot their were some possibly legit pass rushers and we pick this guy I just dont get it.

[Neo]

According to NFL Total access during their 4 downs the texans had one of the most dissapointing drafts bc of their 2nd round pick..........I have to agree with their assesment bc why draft connor barwin at that spot their were some possibly legit pass rushers and we pick this guy I just dont get it.I guess that is why you aren't paid to run a football team.

[JOJORDAN]

I agree. For right now this looks like a terrible draft. We needed a RB and a Pass rusher but we got a center and 2-3 TE'S what the hell. Are they trying to trade owen for a RB?

[TexasJedi]

The only other guy that has the raw pass rush ability of Barwin that still around was Michael Johnson and he lasted until the 3rd. I don't see how this is a disappointing pick, I thought it was one of our better pick. He was believed to go late 1 to early 2 so it's a good value.

[BIG TRAV]

Ya... there is a reason why the guys are on 4 downs and not paid by the Texans. The DE we signed this offseason isnt the best pass rusher and cant play every down. Barwin is a situational pass rusher that will be able to help us on 3rd downs.

[Dr. Z]

I'm not the BIGGEST fan of the draft, but the Barwin pick was a good one. Some considered him a 1st rounder and he has a TON of upside playing only one year on defense not to mention one year at D-end. I think he'll be one of the steals of the draft. He reminds me of Aaron Kampman in a way.

[TheGoaT]

funny how none of these so called 'experts' can agree on anything. Some call Barwin a bad pick, others call him a steal and give us a high grade because of it. Forget the 'experts' and think about the Texans. They signed a run stopping DE in free agency and now get an aggressive pass rushing one in the draft. They filled a need very well.

[pure_respect]

Last year the Chiefs were given high praises for their draft while the Panthers and Titans were ridiculed for theirs. Draft grades mean nothing, form your own conclusions based on what you see and use their analysis to supplement your argument instead of basing it completely around it.

I should have my thoughts completely down on paper sometime tommorow. I look forward to getting reamed for it ;)

[jstanley1730]

WVU fan, 2nd year Texans fan, seen Barwin play in person, he is an amazing athelete, played TE, caught several TD passes, very very quick off the edge, killed wvu last year, reminds me of Vrabel

[Dime]

hmmmm... People are talking about the horrible draft we just did... You know, like when they were talking of the horrible draft when we didnt take Reggie Bush and took Mario Williams. Maybe we should wait and see how they do before we start bashing them.

[HuttoKarl]

hmmmm... People are talking about the horrible draft we just did... You know, like when they were talking of the horrible draft when we didnt take Reggie Bush and took Mario Williams. Maybe we should wait and see how they do before we start bashing them.

They gave us D's for the 2006 Three Pro Bowler draft.

[Texan Naija]

All of our moves were sound, we drafted for the future with guys that are great insurance for a lot of our current players within a year's time if not immediately.

[Se7en]

I hate giving the Titans props, but they were graded as one of the worst for not taking a WR last season. Perhaps being graded poorly is not the worst thing in the world... it just means we did not make the moves that the person grading us expected.

[powerhouse713]

I never understood how you could grade a draft and the players haven't even played a down. There has been so too many times where a team gets A or B for their draft and you look back 3 or 4 years down the road and see how terrible it may of have been and vice versa. Wait and see how it turns out and then you can make an evaluation.

[Aggies-Texans]

Espn gave us a B+

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/insider/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=4103819&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2fdraft09%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist %3dkiper_jr_mel%26id%3d4103819

[1337texansfan]

while we did not get the the RB's that people wanted so damm badly. we may have drafted a couple of TE, but one of those TE(anthony hill) is just a blocking TE, basically a 3rd tackle. that will help our run game. casey was way to good to pass up in the 5th. his ability to play 7 different position in a game is a value you cant find very often.

OD is not going anywhere, casey will serve as an opposite TE receiving threat that will give teams even more fits when trying figure out how to defend the little wrinkles kubes put in our offense week in and week out.

conner barwin is serious athlete who will need about a year of seasoning to make a serious impact on our team. if he is used much it will probably be on 3rd down exclusively where he can attack RT's with his speed. d-linemen take a year, or a little more to develop proper hand technique to keep veteran NFL lineman from locking them out of the play.

also you wont see me complaining about the abundance of DB taken by us. you can never have enough good DB's

we had a good draft, we may have even had a great draft. only time will tell. but i dont believe we are in low grades in the drafts. there are way to many teams that had way more dubious selections then us. we took care of alot of needs, and we upgraded athletically on both sides of the ball.

this was one the weakest draft talents pool we have seen since 2005. we made out pretty damm well on a draft that really looks to be just an "OK" class.

[Whiskeyrbl]

The Texans drafting those tight ends makes me think they plan to trade OD.

Another way to look at it is with Bruener retiring we need a good blocking TE, and you get that with Hill. As far as Casey goes you get a versatile TE that can play almost anywhere in skilled positions on offense. And remember we carried four TE's last year so we are not going to have to change that and OD is safe. Harris will be odd man out.

[dbruder44]

The Texans drafting those tight ends makes me think they plan to trade OD.

Like most have us have said if we got a 1st ad 3rd for OD we should take it, right now I would take a back and a 2010 first rounder depending on the back. Anyone think we will give Edge a look whne the cards waive him?

[1337texansfan]

just say no to RB over the age of 30.

edge maybe can try going back to indy.

[TheRedfishCo]

I guess that is why you aren't paid to run a football team.

I hate this comment, because neither you, other board members or the paid people in charge actually know how the pick will pan out until a few years from now.

Drafting and evaluating talent is not a science and is basically hit or miss. Looking at the past draft history, only about 1/3 of the drafted players actually last longer than 2-3 years. (We all know that the lifespan of an NFL player is just a hand full of years). So called experts, GM, scouts, owners, etc miss on picks more often then they get it correct, especially after the first 3 rounds.

As you said they are paid to run the football program but they miss on picks just like everyone else. Outside of the Patriots and Steelers no other team drafts consistently year in and year out. Just because they are paid doesn't mean they are always correct. I wish I could be 33% correct and get paid to do so, even the weather man has a better prediction percent then the draft experts.

[CoogBull]

I guess that is why you aren't paid to run a football team.

Maybe he should be. Most of the guys who are paid to do it don't seem very good at it.

[Sportswriter79]

According to NFL Total access during their 4 downs the texans had one of the most dissapointing drafts bc of their 2nd round pick..........I have to agree with their assesment bc why draft connor barwin at that spot their were some possibly legit pass rushers and we pick this guy I just dont get it.

Maybe the fact that you admit that you don't get it kind of says it all.

[TexasJedi]

I watched the segment in question this morning. It was a statement made By Michael Lombardi and his criticism was for the Texans not taking a defensive tackle (besides Raji who was there to consider?). Now previously on Path to the Draft he said that he loves DT's and would take one with an early pick in every draft if it were up to him, so he has something of a predilection for tackles, so I don't see this as a scathing rebuke. We have Okoye, Johnson, Robinson, Okam, Cody, and I think that's enough for now. Then we can see how they respond to Kollar and perhaps reassess things next year.

[theyoungNwild]

How is this the worst draft? We all wanted Jennings bad, however he almost fell as a UDFA. That has to say something about either his Character, Work Ethic, or just over-all skills. Arian Foster is just as good and if we didn't have to waste a pick on him, shore up our TERRIBLE secondary, and still get a bruiser as a UDFA .... that's a win in my book.


Look at June/July cuts for us to get a more experienced Bruiser too, IE: Pinnock, Jordan, Torain from Denver, or even someone else out there.

I only say Denver because they have a plethora of RB options.

[el toro]

How is this the worst draft? We all wanted Jennings bad, however he almost fell as a UDFA. That has to say something about either his Character, Work Ethic, or just over-all skills. Arian Foster is just as good and if we didn't have to waste a pick on him, shore up our TERRIBLE secondary, and still get a bruiser as a UDFA .... that's a win in my book.

Exactly. When a team starts to make reaches at picks due to "needs" that's when it starts to get nothing out of its draft picks. I'd rather they make an opportunistic pick with their 5th rounder like Casey than use it on some RB whose quality is 7th round at best.




Look at June/July cuts for us to get a more experienced Bruiser too, IE: Pinnock, Jordan, Torain from Denver, or even someone else out there.

I only say Denver because they have a plethora of RB options.

Yes.

[TheRedfishCo]

I like the picks other than the back to back TE's.

[pockets44]

I wasn't to keen on the Barwin signing, but after looking things up on the guy, he's got some skills! He may even be a bit of a project but the guy is an athlete AND will have one of the best DE in the league mentoring him.Between Frank Bush's style and Mario teaching him everyday, I think he's gonna florish alot faster than most people think.

[el toro]

I recall hearing once upon a time that the Texans screwed up a high pick by taking a DE but otherwise had a great draft. That was 2006. The front office has proven themselves to be competent in the draft (the current regime, that is). Their UDFA signings have brought in a couple of RB prospects who are just as good as anyone they could've gotten with picks 4 through 7. About the only knock I see is that they could've used their 2nd rounder on the secondary, but I think you improve your defense by improving the front 7 first.

This was a very solid, competent draft for the Texans. After reviewing the picks, they didn't reach on any of them. And they got some rather incredible and versatile athletes. They've improved their depth and addressed some needs, especially on the defensive side.

[gforce365]

to be honest, i remember giving the Texans a "D" after the 06 draft. let just say now i know that i should just wait a few years until i grade them.

[South Texan]

Considering it was a bit of a weak draft I think they did very good at balancing needs vs. BPA.
Bear in mind, we were not needing a feature back, just a complementary back for short yard situations and to spell Slaton occasionally. There will be a glut of those in the next couple of months as they start getting cut in training camps or put on practice squads. Chris Brown will also be back this year from injury, and he has flashed talent at times, so we may not even have to look too hard.

Considering all the good picks the FO has made... DeMeco, Mario, Slaton, Winston etc., I think I better start sticking some crows in the crock pot to serve up for our playoff games.

[Hound]

This was a great draft! People are unhappy with Connor Barwin because they wanted a strong safety... Well Barwin is fast as the best safeties and jumps better than most. He could even play SS in the box at times... except he is 6' 4" and weighs 250 and could blitz and kill anything coming over the center... He had 11 sacks... He adds a great deal of flexibility to the Texans defense... He can play DE on passing downs... OLB... or SS in the right situations.

And we didn't get a RB... except we had two RB's we were ready to sign right after the draft. Arian Foster is exactly the type of power back we needed... He didn't get picked because his senior year Tennessee sucked and he was coming off an injury. But based on his previous year he would have been at least a second round pick. And Johnson averaged over 7 yards a carry... and he was also coming off injury.

[Nbkan]

Considering it was a bit of a weak draft I think they did very good at balancing needs vs. BPA.
Bear in mind, we were not needing a feature back, just a complementary back for short yard situations and to spell Slaton occasionally. There will be a glut of those in the next couple of months as they start getting cut in training camps or put on practice squads. Chris Brown will also be back this year from injury, and he has flashed talent at times, so we may not even have to look too hard.

Considering all the good picks the FO has made... DeMeco, Mario, Slaton, Winston etc., I think I better start sticking some crows in the crock pot to serve up for our playoff games.

Just let me be the head chef to start serving up some of those Crows around the league!

[GroovyTexan]

I watched the segment in question this morning. It was a statement made By Michael Lombardi and his criticism was for the Texans not taking a defensive tackle (besides Raji who was there to consider?). Now previously on Path to the Draft he said that he loves DT's and would take one with an early pick in every draft if it were up to him, so he has something of a predilection for tackles, so I don't see this as a scathing rebuke. We have Okoye, Johnson, Robinson, Okam, Cody, and I think that's enough for now. Then we can see how they respond to Kollar and perhaps reassess things next year.

2010 draft class has some serious stud DTs and some stud Ss and DBs for that matter. RB position looks a little iffy however - but we have a whole year of college ball for some breakouts in that position.

[da sheetz]

2010 draft class has some serious stud DTs and some stud Ss and DBs for that matter. RB position looks a little iffy however - but we have a whole year of college ball for some breakouts in that position.

So your saying we want a good draft pick next year? j/k were gonna have the 32nd pick overall so we better start making some trades to move up so we can grab those studs!

[las_vegas_texan]

I don't pay attention to the critics because we had a "sorry" draft in 06'......... and look who benefited from the so called "sorry" draft.

[HJam72]

I would have taken William Moore, but Barwin will work out....well, probably; it's not like ANYBODY really knows what will happen.

[TEXANBRONCO]

COME ON MAN....i think our draft was gr8:D....ESPECIALLY THE 1ST 2 ROUNDS. I trust KUBIAK and all his picks:D......if ya smell what i,m cookin:D

[TexanSacDawg]

I agree. For right now this looks like a terrible draft. We needed a RB and a Pass rusher but we got a center and 2-3 TE'S what the hell. Are they trying to trade owen for a RB?

we got a pass rusher and Casey can play RB!

[Coach]

you know i am one of those fans who thought we'd be better with a SS in the 2nd round because that would have given us 2 starters out of the 1st day of the draft which is what you want...but that doesn't mean that Barwin was a bad pick

if the texans felt that william moore was more of the player he showed this year rather than two years ago they made the right choice bar none...i might be inclined to think otherwise but they are the ones running the team...i didn't think there was another SS available in round 2 that was worth the pick...now i will say this...michael johnson might be a better player than barwin...he has more experience at DE...i think physically he's a better DE...but his motor leaves a lot to be desired...so once again i can't fault the texans for not drafting him

Conner Barwin will be a good situational pass rusher...he'll allow smith to move inside with okoye on passing downs...move mario to the LDE spot where he can better handle the RT's and let these LT handle barwin's superior athletic ability...or let the RT's try to catch up with barwin's speed...either way Barwin can win battles

the only thing i fear is that barwin is going to be a babin clone...he reminds me a lot of babin...in the sense that he was drafted merely due to his combine numbers

[dbruder44]

you know i am one of those fans who thought we'd be better with a SS in the 2nd round because that would have given us 2 starters out of the 1st day of the draft which is what you want...but that doesn't mean that Barwin was a bad pick

if the texans felt that william moore was more of the player he showed this year rather than two years ago they made the right choice bar none...i might be inclined to think otherwise but they are the ones running the team...i didn't think there was another SS available in round 2 that was worth the pick...now i will say this...michael johnson might be a better player than barwin...he has more experience at DE...i think physically he's a better DE...but his motor leaves a lot to be desired...so once again i can't fault the texans for not drafting him

Conner Barwin will be a good situational pass rusher...he'll allow smith to move inside with okoye on passing downs...move mario to the LDE spot where he can better handle the RT's and let these LT handle barwin's superior athletic ability...or let the RT's try to catch up with barwin's speed...either way Barwin can win battles

the only thing i fear is that barwin is going to be a babin clone...he reminds me a lot of babin...in the sense that he was drafted merely due to his combine numbers


I think his 12 sacks and 16 TFL had a little to do with it also, his combine numbers validated his skills. He played DE for one year and figured it out, if he played two years would he have 20 or 5 sacks the next year, who knows, the Texans are counting on improvement

[Coach]

I think his 12 sacks and 16 TFL had a little to do with it also, his combine numbers validated his skills. He played DE for one year and figured it out, if he played two years would he have 20 or 5 sacks the next year, who knows, the Texans are counting on improvement

they are counting on his improvement...but like i said i hope that he's more of a patrick kerney type player than a jason babin type

[1337texansfan]

You hope that conner can use his and athletic ability to get by RT at this level. But in reality he going to take about a year to keep lineman hands off of him. His motor will help allot, how fast he can learn good hand technique better he will be

[GroovyTexan]

mark my words - Barwin is going to develop into one of the best players the Texans have ever drafted. yep - get the crow out - I don't mind eating it. I have no idea where he will eventually end up starting - SAM, Weakside, DE, or just a part time special situation pass rusher - but whereever it is, we are going to love this pick. He has the athleticism and speed to go with it to be great at whatever we play him at - he just needs some time to develop.

Like most rookies, he may not have a huge impact next season - but he is going to develop into an outstanding football player and I look forward to seeing the young man grow.