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Whiskeyrbl
04-30-2009, 09:54 PM
Ok I am not trying to start a rumor here. My sister called me and sent me this e-mail a little while ago. I just wanted to pass this along so y'all can use the info. I have no idea who the doctor is, he is supposedly a friend of my sisters co-workers husband.
This was sent from one of our co-workers. This Dr. is his really good friend.


April 29, 2009

After I returned from a public health meeting yesterday with community
leaders and school officials in Comal County, Heather suggested I send an
update to everyone, because what we are hearing privately from the CDC and
Health Department is so different from what you are hearing in the media.
Some of you or maybe all of you know this, but I will just list what facts I
know.

- The virus is infectious for about 2 days prior to symptom onset
- Virus sheds more than 7 days after symptom onset (possibly as long as 9
days) (this is unusual)
- Since it is such a novel (new) virus, there is no "herd immunity," so the
"attack rate" is very high. This is the percentage of people who come down
with a virus if exposed. Almost everyone who is exposed to this virus will
become infected, though not all will be symptomatc. That is much higher than
seasonal flu, which averages 10-15%. The "clinical attack rate" may be
around 40-50%. This is the number of people who show symptoms. This is a
huge number. It is hard to convey the seriousness of this.
- The virulence (deadliness) of this virus is as bad here as in Mexico, and
there are folks on ventilators here in the US, right now. This has not been
in the media, but a 23 month old near here is fighting for his life, and a
pregnant woman just south of San Antonio is fighting for her life. In
Mexico, these folks might have died already, but here in the US, folks are
getting Tamiflu or Relenza quickly, and we have ready access to ventilators.
What this means is that within a couple of weeks, regional hospitals will
likely become overwhelmed.
- Some of the kids with positive cases in Comal County had more than 70
contacts before diagnosis.
- There are 10-25 times more actual cases (not "possible" cases -- actual),
than what is being reported in the media. The way they fudge on reporting
this is that it takes 3 days to get the confirmatory nod from the CDC on a
given viral culture, but based on epidemiological grounds, we know that
there are more than 10 cases for each "confirmed" case right now.
- During the night, we crossed the threshold for the definition of a WHO,
Phase 6 global pandemic. This has not happened in any of our lifetimes so
far. We are in uncharted territory.
- I expect President Obama will declare an emergency sometime in the next
72-96 hours. This may not happen, but if it doesn't, I will be surprised.
When this happens, all public gathering will be cancelled for 10 days.
- I suggest all of us avoid public gatherings. Outdoor activities are not as
likely to lead to infection. It is contained areas and close contact that
are the biggest risk.
- Tamiflu is running out. There is a national stockpile, but it will have to
be carefully managed, as it is not enough to treat the likely number of
infections when this is full-blown. I don't think there is a big supply of
Relenza, but I do not know those numbers. If I had to choose, I would take
Relenza, as I think it gets more drug to the affected tissue than Tamiflu.
- You should avoid going to the ER if you think you have been exposed or are
symptomatic. ER's south of here are becoming overwhelmed -- and I mean that
-- already. It is coming in waves, but the waves are getting bigger.
- It appears that this flu produces a distinctive "hoarseness" in many
victims. The symptoms, in general, match other flu's; namely, sore throat,
body aches, headache, cough, and fever. Some have all these symptoms, while
others may have only one or two.
- N-Acetyl-Cysteine -- a nutritional supplement available at the health food
store or Wimberley Pharmacy, has been shown to prevent or lessen the
severity of influenza. I suggest 1200mg, twice a day for adults, and 600mg
twice a day in kids over 12. It would be hard to get kids under 12 to take
it, but you could try opening the capsules and putting it on yogurt. For 40
pounds and up, 300-600 mg twice a day, for less than 40 pounds, half that.
- Oscillococinum, a homeopathic remedy, has been vindicated as quite
effective in a large clinical trial in Europe, with an H1N1 variant. You can
buy this at Hill Country Natural Foods, or the Wimberley Pharmacy

johndoe
04-30-2009, 10:00 PM
I just heard about this and my mother got the email as well. I'm not going to say anything else because i'm not sure how much I should say....

The Doctor is legit. My brother and sister-in-law know him i believe.

It really is alot worse than people believe...

pure_respect
04-30-2009, 10:16 PM
I'm usually skeptical of these e-mails, but since I don't have health insurance I think I can skip out on work/nightlife for a few days until we get an official update. Time to dust off the ol' Xbox.

Have a safe and healthy week everyone.

johndoe
04-30-2009, 10:39 PM
I'm usually skeptical of these e-mails, but since I don't have health insurance I think I can skip out on work/nightlife for a few days until we get an official update. Time to dust off the ol' Xbox.

Have a safe and healthy week everyone.

The email was sent from the doctor to his patients and it basically is being spread around by them. He is legit if anyone is skeptical. My brother and sister-in-law live in the town where he is and near where there are being cases reported.

zanth91
04-30-2009, 10:57 PM
If it's true, then we may see dozens of more cases popping up in the next couple of days?

GoldenHolden
05-01-2009, 01:15 AM
Although I don't disagree that the swine flu is more spread than we know (look at how many schools have closed compared to the number of confirmed cases in houston), I think some people are worrying a little too much. People need to realize this isn't the first swine flu outbreak, there was one in 1973 and another in the early 1900's. The same things that are being said about this outbreak were being said about SARS a few years back. The fact is, with any virus, at some point (usually a few weeks to a month) the virus starts to lose its strength and eventually loses the ability to spread. The biggest difference between SARS and this swine flu is that the swine flu is far less deadly. I don't remember the exact numbers but SARS had something like a 90% fatality rate where as the swine flu has killed a very small percentage. People also say it has spread so rampatly. There were 61 deaths in Mexico City compared to the 20 million or so residents. I would suggest people maintain good hygeine and wash there hands a little more than usual but don't start changing your life over a disease that will more than likely be forgotten in a few years.

Yosarian
05-01-2009, 03:00 AM
This Swine flu guy sounds pretty bad. Maybe we can plug him in opposite Mario in situational downs and .........................


Thanks for the info even if it is unverified. It's obvious we aren't being told everything.

HomeBred_Texan
05-01-2009, 07:35 AM
Well I guess it was serious enough for them to cancel the Prom in New Braunsfels.

I am not a Dr by any means, but my guess is the media is blowing this way out of proportion, just like they did when we had that bird flu gig a few years ago... Back then I didn't cluck or even scratch at the ground...

But I was told that if my tail started to go squiggly and I started oinking, go to the ER as fast as I could... Oink Oink :D

wildroot
05-01-2009, 07:51 AM
Overblown to say the least. No one has died in the US except a person from Mexico who was seeking treatment in Texas. Just use common sense and good hygene, wash your hands and keep them out of you mouth. Years ago when I worked at UPS I had the flu every year. I think I was picking it up from the pen I was handing my customers to sign for their packages, and it would transfer from their hand to my pen then to my hand. Haven't had the flu since I left UPS.
Anyway, to put it in perspective; 125 people die every day due to car accidents. I'm not parking my car.

GoldenHolden
05-01-2009, 12:32 PM
Overblown to say the least. No one has died in the US except a person from Mexico who was seeking treatment in Texas. Just use common sense and good hygene, wash your hands and keep them out of you mouth. Years ago when I worked at UPS I had the flu every year. I think I was picking it up from the pen I was handing my customers to sign for their packages, and it would transfer from their hand to my pen then to my hand. Haven't had the flu since I left UPS.
Anyway, to put it in perspective; 125 people die every day due to car accidents. I'm not parking my car.

Good point, more people are going to die today from car crashes than the swine flu but we won't stop driving, more people will die from lung cancer today than the swine flue but we won't stop smoking, and more people will die from a heroin overdose but we won't stop shooting up (wait what?). The WHO just said the worst case scenario in the U.S. is 1700 infections over the next 4 weeks. Not a very big number.

johndoe
05-01-2009, 06:17 PM
Although I don't disagree that the swine flu is more spread than we know (look at how many schools have closed compared to the number of confirmed cases in houston), I think some people are worrying a little too much. People need to realize this isn't the first swine flu outbreak, there was one in 1973 and another in the early 1900's. The same things that are being said about this outbreak were being said about SARS a few years back. The fact is, with any virus, at some point (usually a few weeks to a month) the virus starts to lose its strength and eventually loses the ability to spread. The biggest difference between SARS and this swine flu is that the swine flu is far less deadly. I don't remember the exact numbers but SARS had something like a 90% fatality rate where as the swine flu has killed a very small percentage. People also say it has spread so rampatly. There were 61 deaths in Mexico City compared to the 20 million or so residents. I would suggest people maintain good hygeine and wash there hands a little more than usual but don't start changing your life over a disease that will more than likely be forgotten in a few years.


I think it has more to do with the severity of the sickness, not the numbers being reported. I know a doctor in the town I live and he said that doctors and the Gov are trying to keep it low key as to not start a panic. Apparently people in the health field think that it could easily turn into an epidemic and in that case there wouldn’t be enough of the needed resources around to fight it. A high mortality rate would be the effects. Yall can take it fwiw…

He also said that mandatory vaccinations might be in the makings soon…

Texan281
05-11-2009, 07:49 PM
This is all F-cken scare tactic this false swine flu kill less people than accident we got from driving, are we going to make a big deal can called Driving Flu, dont drive or you get kill...