QB controversies in '07?

[Exithios]

I am bored at work so I thought I would start a thread getting some educated opinions about which teams will have the biggest controversy at the QB position by early to mid season.
I will start off and predict the Bears and Grossman/Leak. Grossman had an excellent start in '06 and steadily showed his true colors as the season progressed. I see him as nothing more than what David Carr would have been in a more established organization. The Chicago fans have voiced their opinions in regards to Grossman and the Bears organization will largely ignore that gaping laceration in their offense until he leads the team to an 0-3 start. At some point early in the season, Chicago will start Chris Leak.

My $0.02

[Zagen30]

Carolina. I sense the fans, at least, clamoring for Carr to start, and I actually have this thought of Delhomme playing his way out of the starting job.
Agree on Chicago, don't forget that they also have Brian Griese. He's not exactly a great QB (although it says something about Kubiak that he coached Griese into a Pro Bowl), but he's probably more reliable than Grossman.
Not exactly a controversy, but if Vick gets suspended/arrested/in any way removed from being able to play, who out of Joey Harrington and Chris Redman is going to step up?
Tampa Bay, simply because they have so many guys with starting experience (not all of it good). Gradkowski probably isn't in the mix to start, but Simms and Garcia are, and you could make a case for both of them. And don't forget Jake Plummer, you never know what could happen with him.
Jacksonville, I don't know, I think Garrard lost what support he had for being the starter. But you never know, if Leftwich slips up...
Miami, although I expect John Beck to wint he starting job. I don't trust Culpepper's knee to ever be good again, and if you start Cleo Lemon you've basically written off the season.
Cleveland's interesting, I don't know if they want Brady Quinn to start right away, or if they want him to sit and start Frye for a while longer. But Quinn will probably be starting by the end of the season.
Oakland, same situation as Cleveland, do they want to start Russell right away, or do they let him learn and let Josh McCown start for a while? And with both Cleveland and Oakland, I imagine that the fans will be pushing for the rookies to start.
Vikings, I heard that Bollinger has some supporters on the coaching staff. But that's probably just rumors, with Tarvaris Jackson being the starter (they really shold have taken Quinn, or somebody. I just don't trust Jackson).
Maybe Lions, although Stanton's probably not pushing for the starting job just yet. But then again, would you be happy with Jon Kitna as your starting QB?

[Exithios]

Carolina. I sense the fans, at least, clamoring for Carr to start, and I actually have this thought of Delhomme playing his way out of the starting job.
Agree on Chicago, don't forget that they also have Brian Griese. He's not exactly a great QB (although it says something about Kubiak that he coached Griese into a Pro Bowl), but he's probably more reliable than Grossman.
Not exactly a controversy, but if Vick gets suspended/arrested/in any way removed from being able to play, who out of Joey Harrington and Chris Redman is going to step up?
Tampa Bay, simply because they have so many guys with starting experience (not all of it good). Gradkowski probably isn't in the mix to start, but Simms and Garcia are, and you could make a case for both of them. And don't forget Jake Plummer, you never know what could happen with him.
Jacksonville, I don't know, I think Garrard lost what support he had for being the starter. But you never know, if Leftwich slips up...
Miami, although I expect John Beck to wint he starting job. I don't trust Culpepper's knee to ever be good again, and if you start Cleo Lemon you've basically written off the season.
Cleveland's interesting, I don't know if they want Brady Quinn to start right away, or if they want him to sit and start Frye for a while longer. But Quinn will probably be starting by the end of the season.
Oakland, same situation as Cleveland, do they want to start Russell right away, or do they let him learn and let Josh McCown start for a while? And with both Cleveland and Oakland, I imagine that the fans will be pushing for the rookies to start.
Vikings, I heard that Bollinger has some supporters on the coaching staff. But that's probably just rumors, with Tarvaris Jackson being the starter (they really shold have taken Quinn, or somebody. I just don't trust Jackson).
Maybe Lions, although Stanton's probably not pushing for the starting job just yet. But then again, would you be happy with Jon Kitna as your starting QB?


Excellent read.
I have another that is not a controversy as of yet, but I predict will be after the start of the season. Romo played well last year for the Cowgirls but I have no doubt that it was a fluke coupled with desent execution throughout the rest of the offense. I see Romo going into the season with high expectations just to level out into what he was intended to be and that is a back-up quarterback. The Cowgirl fans will then sacrifice goats and hang themselves from light poles which, will in turn, side-line Romo in favor of Brad Johnson.
My $0.02

[Zagen30]

I see Romo going into the season with high expectations just to level out into what he was intended to be and that is a back-up quarterback. The Cowgirl fans will then sacrifice goats and hang themselves from light poles which, will in turn, side-line Romo in favor of Brad Johnson.
My $0.02

I too see Romo coming back down to earth, but I don't see them starting Brad Johnson. I think Johnson lost all credibility as a starter last year with the Vikings. For supposedly being a "game manager" QB (i.e. he doesn't have a great arm and you don't trust him to win the game himself, but he doesn't make dumb decisions when he is called upon to pass), he did a bad job of that, throwing 9 TDs to 15 INTs in 14 starts. Plus, would anyone who wants the Boys to succeed really want to see a repeat of the Drew Bledsoe era? Johnson's about as immobile as Bledsoe.
I think that Wade Philips would stick with Romo the whole season just to try to turn him around at some point.

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Carolina. I sense the fans, at least, clamoring for Carr to start, and I actually have this thought of Delhomme playing his way out of the starting job.
Agree on Chicago, don't forget that they also have Brian Griese. He's not exactly a great QB (although it says something about Kubiak that he coached Griese into a Pro Bowl), but he's probably more reliable than Grossman.
Not exactly a controversy, but if Vick gets suspended/arrested/in any way removed from being able to play, who out of Joey Harrington and Chris Redman is going to step up?
Tampa Bay, simply because they have so many guys with starting experience (not all of it good). Gradkowski probably isn't in the mix to start, but Simms and Garcia are, and you could make a case for both of them. And don't forget Jake Plummer, you never know what could happen with him.
Jacksonville, I don't know, I think Garrard lost what support he had for being the starter. But you never know, if Leftwich slips up...
Miami, although I expect John Beck to wint he starting job. I don't trust Culpepper's knee to ever be good again, and if you start Cleo Lemon you've basically written off the season.
Cleveland's interesting, I don't know if they want Brady Quinn to start right away, or if they want him to sit and start Frye for a while longer. But Quinn will probably be starting by the end of the season.
Oakland, same situation as Cleveland, do they want to start Russell right away, or do they let him learn and let Josh McCown start for a while? And with both Cleveland and Oakland, I imagine that the fans will be pushing for the rookies to start.
Vikings, I heard that Bollinger has some supporters on the coaching staff. But that's probably just rumors, with Tarvaris Jackson being the starter (they really shold have taken Quinn, or somebody. I just don't trust Jackson).
Maybe Lions, although Stanton's probably not pushing for the starting job just yet. But then again, would you be happy with Jon Kitna as your starting QB?
OK, you forced me, if I needed a qb, I'd take Kitna's 4200yds/20+ tds--you could have Carr's 2700yds/11tds

[Zagen30]

Carolina. I sense the fans, at least, clamoring for Carr to start, and I actually have this thought of Delhomme playing his way out of the starting job.
Agree on Chicago, don't forget that they also have Brian Griese. He's not exactly a great QB (although it says something about Kubiak that he coached Griese into a Pro Bowl), but he's probably more reliable than Grossman.
Not exactly a controversy, but if Vick gets suspended/arrested/in any way removed from being able to play, who out of Joey Harrington and Chris Redman is going to step up?
Tampa Bay, simply because they have so many guys with starting experience (not all of it good). Gradkowski probably isn't in the mix to start, but Simms and Garcia are, and you could make a case for both of them. And don't forget Jake Plummer, you never know what could happen with him.
Jacksonville, I don't know, I think Garrard lost what support he had for being the starter. But you never know, if Leftwich slips up...
Miami, although I expect John Beck to wint he starting job. I don't trust Culpepper's knee to ever be good again, and if you start Cleo Lemon you've basically written off the season.
Cleveland's interesting, I don't know if they want Brady Quinn to start right away, or if they want him to sit and start Frye for a while longer. But Quinn will probably be starting by the end of the season.
Oakland, same situation as Cleveland, do they want to start Russell right away, or do they let him learn and let Josh McCown start for a while? And with both Cleveland and Oakland, I imagine that the fans will be pushing for the rookies to start.
Vikings, I heard that Bollinger has some supporters on the coaching staff. But that's probably just rumors, with Tarvaris Jackson being the starter (they really shold have taken Quinn, or somebody. I just don't trust Jackson).
Maybe Lions, although Stanton's probably not pushing for the starting job just yet. But then again, would you be happy with Jon Kitna as your starting QB?
OK, you forced me, if I needed a qb, I'd take Kitna's 4200yds/20+ tds--you could have Carr's 2700yds/11tds
That's true. I guess I was talking about teams whose owners aren't married to the starting QB.

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Carolina. I sense the fans, at least, clamoring for Carr to start, and I actually have this thought of Delhomme playing his way out of the starting job.
Agree on Chicago, don't forget that they also have Brian Griese. He's not exactly a great QB (although it says something about Kubiak that he coached Griese into a Pro Bowl), but he's probably more reliable than Grossman.
Not exactly a controversy, but if Vick gets suspended/arrested/in any way removed from being able to play, who out of Joey Harrington and Chris Redman is going to step up?
Tampa Bay, simply because they have so many guys with starting experience (not all of it good). Gradkowski probably isn't in the mix to start, but Simms and Garcia are, and you could make a case for both of them. And don't forget Jake Plummer, you never know what could happen with him.
Jacksonville, I don't know, I think Garrard lost what support he had for being the starter. But you never know, if Leftwich slips up...
Miami, although I expect John Beck to wint he starting job. I don't trust Culpepper's knee to ever be good again, and if you start Cleo Lemon you've basically written off the season.
Cleveland's interesting, I don't know if they want Brady Quinn to start right away, or if they want him to sit and start Frye for a while longer. But Quinn will probably be starting by the end of the season.
Oakland, same situation as Cleveland, do they want to start Russell right away, or do they let him learn and let Josh McCown start for a while? And with both Cleveland and Oakland, I imagine that the fans will be pushing for the rookies to start.
Vikings, I heard that Bollinger has some supporters on the coaching staff. But that's probably just rumors, with Tarvaris Jackson being the starter (they really shold have taken Quinn, or somebody. I just don't trust Jackson).
Maybe Lions, although Stanton's probably not pushing for the starting job just yet. But then again, would you be happy with Jon Kitna as your starting QB?

Lions - Kitna is the starter While Stanton learns the 400 page document that is Mike Martz's offense, that alone will take a year to read not just understand.
Vikings - Bollinger's arm is just not strong enough to be a real threat as a QB allowing safeties to not have to play deep coverage. I expect Tavaris to win it on his pure athleticism.
Oakland - I think Russell doesn't start unless they start horribly.
Cleveland - This is a true competition, Frye made some really poor decisions last year which really prompted the pick of Brady Quinn. However you have to ask yourself will Brady Quinn if pushed into the role makes the same poor decisions Frye did last year as part of his learning curve? I think you start Frye and let him play his way out of it.
Miami - This is not a controversy this is a flat out Saga. First off are they going to pick up Trent Green? I am starting to have my doubts because I think KC is going to have no other option than to cut Green in a salary cap move at which point Miami will scoop him up. I expect Trent to start in Miami but be pulled by week 8 as Trent and the NFl finally come to terms with the fact Trent is at the autumn of his NFL career, At that point I expect Cleo Lemon to finish the year. I think Cleo Lemon has the potential to be a good QB I think Beck will not reach the field this year due to the fact BYU's offense is so different and he will have to learn the Miami offense.
Tampa - Another Saga, I think Garcia gets the nod however with a suspect O line how well will garcia perform and how long can he last? Will he be the Garcia in Philly last year, or the Garcia that was in detroit and Cleveland?
Chicago - NO way you ditch Grossman, despite his on and off performances, you can't go away from a QB that got you to the big show. I think now with a full year that went the way it did I think Grossman will make a huge splash this year and you won't see the heavy performance flux that you did in '06
Carolina - I think its a fan controversy not really a team one. I think Delhomme is still the leader in that locker room.
Aside from Cleveland Miami and Tampa MY QB Controversies are...
BUFFALO - Losman has had 2 years now where he has had heavy flux in his performances. I think Edwards could come in and really push and compete with Losman.
CHIEFS - Croyle over Huard? talk about a chip on the shoulder Huard kept this team in contention and the thanks he gets is Croyle is our man? I see a huge controversy here.
Where I think there needs to be a controversy
RAMS - Bulger seems to be losing something I think he needs a QB there to push for the job.
COWBOYS - Romo I think needs competition granted he has been through a lot but he needs to be kept on his guard and performing at his peak so he doesnt have the same mental lapses he had in the detroit game and the playoffs.

[The Pencil Neck]

Chicago - NO way you ditch Grossman, despite his on and off performances, you can't go away from a QB that got you to the big show.

Um. Tell that to Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson. They WON superbowls and lost their jobs the next year.

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Chicago - NO way you ditch Grossman, despite his on and off performances, you can't go away from a QB that got you to the big show.

Um. Tell that to Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson. They WON superbowls and lost their jobs the next year.

The defenses are what got them to the big game. Not to mention Johnson and Dilfer were at the twilight of their careers.

[Zagen30]

I see another QB controversy this year. The other teams coaches andQBs trying to figure out how to keep our Def Line out of their backfield.

I like your thinking. I wouldn't mind this controversy at all [:)]

[The Pencil Neck]

Chicago - NO way you ditch Grossman, despite his on and off performances, you can't go away from a QB that got you to the big show.

Um. Tell that to Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson. They WON superbowls and lost their jobs the next year.

The defenses are what got them to the big game. Not to mention Johnson and Dilfer were at the twilight of their careers.

That wasn't the point. You said that you can't go away from a QB that got you to the big show. Those are two examples of QB's that got their team to the big show, with better results than Grossman, who were gone the next year.
And are you saying that the Bears D isn't what got THEM to the big game? To me, it looks like the Bears are a perfect example of a team that would fit that same Raven/Bucc mold.
And Dilfer still had several years left in him.
Not that I'm saying that Grossman is out next year. I'm just saying that getting your team to the superbowl doesn't assure you of a job the next year.

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There were games where he had to take over. Like Seattle and San Fran where the offense was hitting on all cylinders and thats why they won. There were games like the cardinal game and some others where it was the defense but there were a few games where the offense was the reason they won. I see your point but I think the ravens regretted letting go of Dilfer. after all it started the Boller era.
of course I posted that in the cowboy message board about Romo and you would have thought Romo was aikman incarnate.

[Gamehorn]

I know that I am THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS THAT GROSSMAN IS GOOD, but in comparison to Dilfer and Johnson, Grossman CAN THROW IT DEEP, AND WILL PUT POINTS ON THE BOARD!!!
I still am having trouble figuring out how Tampa won that superbowl, because they couldn't run, and couldn't pass to anyone beside Keyshawn. I was a Tampa Fan back then, and it stunned me that they won. Their defense was down right nasty back then, so that had something to do with it. They were better than Chicago.
Dilfer had a great running game, and no one there since him has done anything. The Raven's offensive philosophy is so screwed up that they make Steve McNair look like Ryan Leaf, and their defense still wins the game for them.
My $0.02

[ObsiWan]

I can sense a controversy at ESPN
You mean the Texans O-Line DOESN'T suck? All those sacks were Carr's fault? Schaub is actually good? The Texans have a winning season?
and then Mel Kiper's head will explode

LOL!! Now I'd pay money to see that.
"...and in a related story, Sean Salisbury and John Clayton were seen wandering around the ESPN lot talking to themselves and babbling incessantly. The two NFL analysts, after having bet their careers that Matt Schaub would fail as the Texans QB, could not seem to come to grips with fact that the 6-2 Texans are now leading the AFC South and that RotY Vince Young and his Titans have yet to win a game without Pacman Jones and Travis Henry."

[Zagen30]

I can sense a controversy at ESPN
You mean the Texans O-Line DOESN'T suck? All those sacks were Carr's fault? Schaub is actually good? The Texans have a winning season?
and then Mel Kiper's head will explode

LOL!! Now I'd pay money to see that.
"...and in a related story, Sean Salisbury and John Clayton were seen wandering around the ESPN lot talking to themselves and babbling incessantly. The two NFL analysts, after having bet their careers that Matt Schaub would fail as the Texans QB, could not seem to come to grips with fact that the 6-2 Texans are now leading the AFC South and that RotY Vince Young and his Titans have yet to win a game without Pacman Jones and Travis Henry."

Funeral services were held today for noted NFL draft "guru" and ESPN staff member Mel Kiper, Jr. Kiper died Sunday when the Texans' offensive line held San Diego's defense to no sacks, 1 QB hit, and 2 QB hurries, and in doing so allowed for QB Matt Schaub to throw for 24-29 passes for 340 yards and 5 TDs, and in addition opened gaping holes for Ahman Green and the rest of Houston's capable stable of running backs to put up a combined total of 274 yards and 4 more TDs. Medical staff called to the scene of Kiper's death were unable to reattach the bits of his head theat flew to all ends of the room, and he was pronounced dead at the scene.
In a further tragedy, Mark Schlereth suffered a brain aneurism after David Carr had all the time in the world to pass sitting behind his offensive line, as well as three receivers open on every play, and he still couldn't find the open receiver, actually preferring to curl up in a ball on the field with no defenders within 5 yards and scream "STOP THE PLAY!!!! I'M TAKING A SACK ALRIGHT????!!!!!! DOOONNNN'TTTT HIIIIITTTTT MEEEEEEEEE PLEEEEAAA****SSSEEEE!!!!!" It had been well-noted that with Jake Delhomme at quarterback, every member of the offensive line was headed to the Pro-Bowl, and both Steve Smith and Dwayne Jarrett were voted All-Pros at WR, but unfortunately for the Panthers Delhomme broke his leg in a horrific shoe-tying accident, forcing Carr into the starter's role.

[The Pencil Neck]

I can sense a controversy at ESPN
You mean the Texans O-Line DOESN'T suck? All those sacks were Carr's fault? Schaub is actually good? The Texans have a winning season?
and then Mel Kiper's head will explode

LOL!! Now I'd pay money to see that.
"...and in a related story, Sean Salisbury and John Clayton were seen wandering around the ESPN lot talking to themselves and babbling incessantly. The two NFL analysts, after having bet their careers that Matt Schaub would fail as the Texans QB, could not seem to come to grips with fact that the 6-2 Texans are now leading the AFC South and that RotY Vince Young and his Titans have yet to win a game without Pacman Jones and Travis Henry."

The crazy thing is that last Thursday or Friday, Sean Salisbury called the Texans getting Matt Schaub the best offseason QB move so far. Clayton called the Panthers getting Carr the best QB move so far.
So, unfortunately, it looks like Salisbury might be changing his tune. I'd feel a lot more comfy if Salisbury was continuing to say we're idiots. At least Mr. Mackey... uh... John Clayton things we're dumb, mmmmkay.

[Zagen30]

I can sense a controversy at ESPN
You mean the Texans O-Line DOESN'T suck? All those sacks were Carr's fault? Schaub is actually good? The Texans have a winning season?
and then Mel Kiper's head will explode

LOL!! Now I'd pay money to see that.
"...and in a related story, Sean Salisbury and John Clayton were seen wandering around the ESPN lot talking to themselves and babbling incessantly. The two NFL analysts, after having bet their careers that Matt Schaub would fail as the Texans QB, could not seem to come to grips with fact that the 6-2 Texans are now leading the AFC South and that RotY Vince Young and his Titans have yet to win a game without Pacman Jones and Travis Henry."

The crazy thing is that last Thursday or Friday, Sean Salisbury called the Texans getting Matt Schaub the best offseason QB move so far. Clayton called the Panthers getting Carr the best QB move so far.
So, unfortunately, it looks like Salisbury might be changing his tune. I'd feel a lot more comfy if Salisbury was continuing to say we're idiots. At least Mr. Mackey... uh... John Clayton things we're dumb, mmmmkay.

Haha, yuo're right Clayton does look something like Mr. Mackey.
I thought that he was smarter, though; I'd never think that he would say that getting Carr was an excellent move (it was a decent move, you do get a QB with experience as the backup with the hopes of turning his career around). Clayton needs to stick to reporting and leave his opinions out of the conversation.

[Vambo]

Can I pay somebody to make sure this happens?
Of course I am just kidding.

[ObsiWan]

I can sense a controversy at ESPN
You mean the Texans O-Line DOESN'T suck? All those sacks were Carr's fault? Schaub is actually good? The Texans have a winning season?
and then Mel Kiper's head will explode

LOL!! Now I'd pay money to see that.
"...and in a related story, Sean Salisbury and John Clayton were seen wandering around the ESPN lot talking to themselves and babbling incessantly. The two NFL analysts, after having bet their careers that Matt Schaub would fail as the Texans QB, could not seem to come to grips with fact that the 6-2 Texans are now leading the AFC South and that RotY Vince Young and his Titans have yet to win a game without Pacman Jones and Travis Henry."

The crazy thing is that last Thursday or Friday, Sean Salisbury called the Texans getting Matt Schaub the best offseason QB move so far. Clayton called the Panthers getting Carr the best QB move so far.
So, unfortunately, it looks like Salisbury might be changing his tune. I'd feel a lot more comfy if Salisbury was continuing to say we're idiots. At least Mr. Mackey... uh... John Clayton things we're dumb, mmmmkay.

Yeah, I saw that too. I almost smashed my DVR when I heard that.
(I'm not throwing anything at my TV - cable company won't replace that)