Rex Grossman v. Dan Orlovsky

[zachy]

If Matt Schaub were to get hurt again (hopefully he wont) who would be his backup Rex Grossman or Dan Orlovsky

[nativetexan]

Orlovsky has the most upside. If he picks up the offense quickly and does well in pre-season, then he is my pick.

[NCSFS42]

I would rather grossman, because we need a guy who will step in and manage a game. Just looking at hte past, would you rather a guy who helped a team go winless, or a guy who helped his team get to the superbowl?

Exactly, and I am not saying either of them were the reason that their team did that, but they were part of it.

[TheGoaT]

I'm off the opinion you could have put Steve Erkel on that 2006 Bear team and made a run at the Super Bowl.

[A-B]

I'm off the opinion you could have put Steve Erkel on that 2006 Bear team and made a run at the Super Bowl.

yeah and at the same time I dont think it would have mattered who QBd that Lions team they still would have gotten the first pick in the draft.

[South Texan]

Best scenario, they both turn out to starting quality under Kubiak's mentorship. Further, we have a lot of games where we are so far ahead we can put them in late in the game to showcase their talents. Next year, we get some great offers for them, and we can move up in round 1 of the draft from the 32'nd pick.

Soooo... backup spot is probably Grossman's to lose because of experience, but I think Orlovsky will give him a run for his money.

[theCATALYST]

IMHO, I think after pre-season, Grossman will be the number 2. He has ample experience, and now has offensive weopons. His turn-over problem will be no worse then Schaubs the last two years.

I believe Orlovsky will be groomed a bit to be our number two for the next few years, as after Grossman shows he can play when on the right team, he will be traded after this season. Orlovsky will then become our long term number 2 if not number 1 should Schaub have issues at that time.

[Hervoyel]

IMHO, I think after pre-season, Grossman will be the number 2. He has ample experience, and now has offensive weopons. His turn-over problem will be no worse then Schaubs the last two years.

I believe Orlovsky will be groomed a bit to be our number two for the next few years, as after Grossman shows he can play when on the right team, he will be traded after this season. Orlovsky will then become our long term number 2 if not number 1 should Schaub have issues at that time.

I think in general you have it right but Rex Grossman is on a one year deal isn't he? I think he works with Kubiak this year, signs another deal after this season (hopefully for multiple years) and then someone does a trade for him before the trading deadline in 2010. Regardless I think Grossman is a more than one year project and that we'll always see Kubiak tinkering with a QB in camp. That's his thing. He's a QB guru type and he'll always be trying to find that reclamation project on the scrap heap or that undrafted next Tom Brady out there.

[A-B]

Yall do realize Grossman was flat out released right? SB or not he was let go. Not traded, but let go. Just sayin'.

[raginbull]

Grossman will have to be absolutely terrible for us not to be three deep at qb in september. He aint gonna risk an injury and have to make a midseason qb signing. contract says orlovsky is number two in Smith's eyes but play will determine that in Kubiaks.

[zachy]

The one thing I can say for Grossman is, he was never shy form contact. The reason he signed with us is the same reason Orlovsky signed with us. They both know that Kubiak can show case their talent for other teams to see. Our system is QB freindly system and both players have the tools and know that they may have the chance to show it considering Schaub's history. I don't think it will come this season though.

I do agree

[raginbull]

The one thing I can say for Grossman is, he was never shy form contact. The reason he signed with us is the same reason Orlovsky signed with us. They both know that Kubiak can show case their talent for other teams to see. Our system is QB freindly system and both players have the tools and know that they may have the chance to show it considering Schaub's history. I don't think it will come this season though.

what i like is how he calls plays that work towards the qbs strengths. He puts them in the best situations possible.

[texun]

Neither one of these guys has proven they are capable of being a starting QB. I only hope that at least one of them can be a good back up. It's alright with me if we never get the chance to find out.

[needmorelinemen]

Yall do realize Grossman was flat out released right? SB or not he was let go. Not traded, but let go. Just sayin'.Grossman was an unrestricted free agent, just like Orlovsky. The only difference might have been that the Lions offered a contract to Orlovsky, and the Bears did not try and keep Grossman.

Just sayin'.

Just wanted to add that this signing has about as much significance as the Bears picking up Brett Basanez as our 3rd string QB. He's just a guy that offered more in potential than Brink did for the same cost. Guys that you pick up for 745K on a one year deal do not make this team that much better. I'd be much more excited about the Smith signing. The defensive line you guys are building looks like it will be a juggernaut.

[A-B]

Grossman was an unrestricted free agent, just like Orlovsky. The only difference might have been that the Lions offered a contract to Orlovsky, and the Bears did not try and keep Grossman.

Just sayin'.

Just wanted to add that this signing has about as much significance as the Bears picking up Brett Basanez as our 3rd string QB. He's just a guy that offered more in potential than Brink did for the same cost. Guys that you pick up for 745K on a one year deal do not make this team that much better. I'd be much more excited about the Smith signing. The defensive line you guys are building looks like it will be a juggernaut.



Sooo... he is not returning then right? Thats the point I was making. no attempt by the Bears to keep hm at all since he is so great according to his bandwagon.






Yeah we are slowly but surely heading in the right direction.

[raginbull]

Look if kubiak improves Grossman and orlovsky's play and makes them better qb then we were smart for grabbing orlovsky and got good potential outta Grossman at a discount price. with the contracts status of Demeco, Dunta, and owen its the move that saved us the most cash, and brings in two descent qbs for kubiak to work with.

[Whiskeyrbl]

I think Rex has a great chance at the #2 spot, only thing holding him back is the money that the Texans gave Orlovsky, Orlovsky will have to play like crap for him to be a 3rd stringer with his paycheck.

This is not the case here. Your paycheck does not give you an automatic anything. If a 500k person out performs a 3 million guy the 500k player will start. Kubiak believes if you don't produce you don't play.

[Se7en]

I will just go against the flow here and say that I am still very excited about Dan-O and I think he is on par with Sage. I am not worried about the back-up spot because we have two guys that are capable of playing in our system and being successful.

I would like to see Schaub starting in all 16 games this year... err... 20!

[TEXANBRONCO]

GROSSMAN has more experiance than DAN. But i like them both, and i know KUBIAK does.hopefully MATT steps up and we dont need a backup, but if we do i would be happy whomever KUBIAK puts in :)

[dbruder44]

I will just go against the flow here and say that I am still very excited about Dan-O and I think he is on par with Sage. I am not worried about the back-up spot because we have two guys that are capable of playing in our system and being successful.

I would like to see Schaub starting in all 16 games this year... err... 20!

20 games, you mean we don't get a bye game week one of the playoffs, quit being a Coogbull, HAHAHAHAHA

[wildroot]

I don't care which of the two takes the 2nd spot. I'll defer to Kubiak to decide after working with the both of them, which one he thinks he can best work with. If it's Rex, fine. If it's Oro, fine.

They're both experienced albeit Rex has seen more, but I'd imagine Kubiak is looking at which of the two can best execute his plan and can see and respond to the situations that present themselves on the field that best represent what Kubs is trying to get accomplished.

They're both NFC QBs that I've never seen much of so I guess I'm hoping....I don't know, which ever one has the hottest wife makes the team. Not real scientific but it works for me.

[Schlauton]

Would if neither has a wife.....do you pick the one that looks hotter?

[A-B]

20 games, you mean we don't get a bye game week one of the playoffs, quit being a Coogbull, HAHAHAHAHA

lol:D

[Yosarian]

I have a feeling that preseason will make this decision easily for us. One of these guys will step up in preseason and we will know who our back up will be. I hope we keep them all.

And i hope we have Matt all year and into the next. He needs to quiet the nay sayers about staying healthy.

[NCSFS42]

I'm off the opinion you could have put Steve Erkel on that 2006 Bear team and made a run at the Super Bowl.

They had a great defense, but what help did they have on offense? Yeah the o line was pretty good, but watch Cutler won't be able to do much next year either. He will do better than Grossman did but not much he lacks offensive weapons around him.

I just feel like Grossman has managed a lot more talented teams than orlovsky has. Grossman did a solid job at florida, and wiht the bears at well. Yes he had his bad games but the offense around hi mwasn't much better. Orlovsky did have calvin johnson and a talented receiving core. I just can't get past the play where he ran out the back of the endzone...

[Se7en]

20 games, you mean we don't get a bye game week one of the playoffs, quit being a Coogbull, HAHAHAHAHA

BAH! Nice catch... I guess with our 16-0 season we won't nee dthat extra playoff game! How is that for koolaid? :p

[raginbull]

This is not the case here. Your paycheck does not give you an automatic anything. If a 500k person out performs a 3 million guy the 500k player will start. Kubiak believes if you don't produce you don't play.

You nailed that one right on the head Kubiak deals with talent, not contracts. If you wanna play on this team you have to earn your time, players that dont willl be cut. we put the best talent on the field and reward hard work.

[Wolfscar]

I wonder a little if the QB issue was part of the reason they went ahead and brought in Casey. The guy has a great arm - and while we're never going to see him as our second string QB, maybe in a year or two they might start giving him a basic grasp of some of the playbook fundamentals. Once he's settled in and got comfortable with his main position(s). That would mean we could keep two QBs on the roster and know that if both go down we do have a guy who can throw the football to a really high standard elsewhere on the depth chart. I read some reporter a while back who said that Casey reminds him of Tim Tebow when he lines up at QB, only he throws the football better than Tebow. Sounds good to me.

It's just a thought - and they're certainly not going to do anything like that this year - but if he makes the transition to the big leagues well then I think Casey is a guy who could end up wearing a lot of hats for this team. Maybe 3rd string QB could be one of them down the line.

On the subject of Rex vs. Dan - my vote goes for Dan. Obviously, I'd love for them both to step up and play well, but for me Rex's experience has only proven that he can't run a football team. He has a great arm, but the Bears reached the Superbowl in spite of him, rather than because of him. To say their D carried them through that season is a VAST understatement. Orlovsky looked pretty good at times last year on an absolutely woeful team.

[needmorelinemen]

Sooo... he is not returning then right? Thats the point I was making. no attempt by the Bears to keep hm at all since he is so great according to his bandwagon.






Yeah we are slowly but surely heading in the right direction.You said that Grossman was flat out released. That is not true. He became a free agent just like Orlovsky.

The Bears did not attempt to keep him was because the fan base had turned on Rex in a bad way and could never accept him again on the team. But he was not cut. He completed his contract and moved on.

[protoTexans]

You said that Grossman was flat out released. That is not true. He became a free agent just like Orlovsky.

The Bears did not attempt to keep him was because the fan base had turned on Rex in a bad way and could never accept him again on the team. But he was not cut. He completed his contract and moved on.


Thats true, the fans there are like a bad winter night in Chicago... Nasty.... But I have not seen a whole lot of him, but have always been impressed by the amount of ZIP he puts on the ball, to all the recievers on the Texans, better catch with your hands & not your body, you could end up with a cracked rib or 2... lol... U don't call it a Bullet for nothing....

[A-B]

You said that Grossman was flat out released. That is not true. He became a free agent just like Orlovsky.

The Bears did not attempt to keep him was because the fan base had turned on Rex in a bad way and could never accept him again on the team. But he was not cut. He completed his contract and moved on.

okay okay whatever. The point I'm trying to make is that the Bears had him and didnt do anything to keep him and "Rexy" fans seem to think he is going to come here and take the job of the QB that knocked the Bears out of a chance for the playoffs last year.

[raginbull]

A-B Grossmna's bandwagon is gonna be dissapointed lol Schaub is our man and Dan O is second in the hierarchy due to his contract and the benefit of spending most of the off season here learning the play book

[protoTexans]

He also just got married and his wife told him NO HONEYMOON untill he can make more money by winning the starting job.


Behold the POWER of Pus.... Well U can see where thats going... No direspect anyone, but you do hold the POWER!!!!

[protoTexans]

same here. I think Orlovski definitely has the most upside. In his interview he said he's been watching tons of film and really trying to acclimate himself to the system so hopefully he'll outperform Grossman. I've never been a Grossman fan. I don't know why. Just seems like he makes a ton of mental mistakes. I believe Orlovski has the bigger arm as well. Am i wrong about that?

I also think since O has had more system time, but I have not seen him play much. I am also not sure who has got the bigger arm, But I have seen G whip that ball & I for one would not like to be on the other end... lol... Recievers take note, Catch with your hands, do not let his bullets get through to your bodies... lol... I do not wanna see any cracked ribs in TC....

[protoTexans]

Did you spend alot of time ANAL-izing that? :D
I agree about the magical powers of ..... that's when I lose all of my abilities to function properly (mind wise).

Yes it is all Powerful... lol...

[Humble1]

Teams don't pay 3rd string QB's $3 Million per year so....

[dbruder44]

Teams don't pay 3rd string QB's $3 Million per year so....

One would agree but Smart teams play the best player available, but I still think that Orlovsky wins the back-up battle and there is NO QB controversy besides back-up and 3rd.

[protoTexans]

Teams don't pay 3rd string QB's $3 Million per year so....

They do when you encounter something that takes out your other 2... Even though we Picked up Casey, we could have saved some $$ on that #3 spot.. But I am alot more comfy knowing that we do have 3 NFL QBs if we get in a pinch. Can you say Trade Bait?

[dbruder44]

They do when you encounter something that takes out your other 2... Even though we Picked up Casey, we could have saved some $$ on that #3 spot.. But I am alot more comfy knowing that we do have 3 NFL QBs if we get in a pinch. Can you say Trade Bait?

We could trade wither Grossman or Orlovsky if we were blown away by an offer and it doesn't appear that we will even need a back up for Schaub let alone a 3rd string, but to even mention that Casey could be our 3rd string QB is laughable, he could be our emergency QB on gameday when the 3rd stringer is not active, just like Owen Daniels is today. But no more than that

[Yosarian]

You think Casey can take Daniels 4th string qb job?

:rolleyes: now there's a thread.

[protoTexans]

We could trade wither Grossman or Orlovsky if we were blown away by an offer and it doesn't appear that we will even need a back up for Schaub let alone a 3rd string, but to even mention that Casey could be our 3rd string QB is laughable, he could be our emergency QB on gameday when the 3rd stringer is not active, just like Owen Daniels is today. But no more than that


In a pinch, yes he could be #3... OD played SP Teams & QB at Wisconsin in his Freshman year before he changed positions, JC was to be the Rice Starting QB if he not gone into the draft... So if need be, I would rather have Casey back there to throw the ball, if OD were back there, you would be losing a Special weapon on offense. Of course we would be in pretty bad shape if either one were back there...

[dbruder44]

In a pinch, yes he could be #3... OD played SP Teams & QB at Wisconsin in his Freshman year before he changed positions, JC was to be the Rice Starting QB if he not gone into the draft... So if need be, I would rather have Casey back there to throw the ball, if OD were back there, you would be losing a Special weapon on offense. Of course we would be in pretty bad shape if either one were back there...

In a pinch would be an emergency QB so yes I agree that Casey could be a third (emergency QB) on gamedays but we would still have a 3rd Qb on the 53 man roster he just would be on the 45 man game day roster.

[protoTexans]

You think Casey can take Daniels 4th string qb job?

:rolleyes: now there's a thread.

Why yes I do 'ol Master Yosa..... BTW, did U use the "Force" on your Merekat to have him stand still long enough to wear those Sunglasses & play his Guitar?

Your Jedi Mind Tricks will not work on me Master Yosa!!!

[protoTexans]

YEAH! a part of the female anatomy is more powerful without sunglasses or teeth.

Very well put DieHard.. lmao...

[DannyO-7]

Is Dan going to play tonight