Dunta and Texans still cannot get a deal done.

[Texan79]

Dunta,

I hope you read this, when you can prove to the Team, the City and the Fans that you can play a full season without getting injured then you have grounds to negotiate a deal. Until then, you have NO right demanding a big pay day. This is not the type of attitude we need around our team.

[protoTexans]

Dunta,

I hope you read this, when you can prove to the Team, the City and the Fans that you can play a full season without getting injured then you have grounds to negotiate a deal. Until then, you have NO right demanding a big pay day. This is not the type of attitude we need around our team.

His first 3 seasons, he played 48/48 games then 20/15 in the past 2... Just get out there & play, show yourself, the Texans & the Texans fans you are gonna be a player to be reckoned with once again. Mr Mcnair will give you what you want, he like everyone else, wants to see what he is gonna get before he opens the Check Book. So get out there and play. If you do not like the money you are getting now, I would be happy to take it off your hands & put it to good use.

[Yosarian]

Isn't today the last day? Doesn't he have to sign the tender today? I'd be surprised if he didn't. Very surprised. He's not good enough to sit out this year and hope someone pays him next year. And who turns down this kind of money? I'll bet tomorrow we hear that he signed his tender but is still not happy. If he doesn't then i believe the texans can withdraw the offer.

Please correct me if i am wrong about how this works.

[protoTexans]

Isn't today the last day? Doesn't he have to sign the tender today? I'd be surprised if he didn't. Very surprised. He's not good enough to sit out this year and hope someone pays him next year. And who turns down this kind of money? I'll bet tomorrow we hear that he signed his tender but is still not happy. If he doesn't then i believe the texans can withdraw the offer.

Please correct me if i am wrong about how this works.

Again Master Yosa, U speak the truth.... It would seem that he may do what OD did, sign but not Happy with the $$, but just needs to get out there & prove it. Have an outstanding season & the Check Books will open....

[gtal98]

Today was the last day to get a multi-year deal done with Franchise players. He still doesn't have to sign the Franchise Tender yet, but he is now limited to only that.

[nativetexan]

Today was the last day to get a multi-year deal done with Franchise players. He still doesn't have to sign the Franchise Tender yet, but he is now limited to only that.

Correct, but they can withdraw the offer.

[Yosarian]

Looks like he didn't sign.

What are the possible scenarios from here.

1.) The texans withdraw the offwer---then what?
2.)He signs and starts training camp, we get him for one more season?
3.)The texans leave the offer but he doesn't sign....what happens then.

Does he sit out for the season? Does he get any money if he refuses to sign the tender?

Is there a point where the Texans can begin to levy fines if he doesn't make training camp since he hasn't signed? Or can he just hold out for free? Miss camp.....then what?

Anyone know how all this works ..:o

[DiehardChris]

Looks like he didn't sign.

What are the possible scenarios from here.

1.) The texans withdraw the offwer---then what?
2.)He signs and starts training camp, we get him for one more season?
3.)The texans leave the offer but he doesn't sign....what happens then.

Does he sit out for the season? Does he get any money if he refuses to sign the tender?

Is there a point where the Texans can begin to levy fines if he doesn't make training camp since he hasn't signed? Or can he just hold out for free? Miss camp.....then what?

Anyone know how all this works ..:o

He can't be fined as long as he hasn't signed a contract.

I think the hang up right now is that Dunta probably wants the "you can't tag me again next year" provision added to his contract, and the Texans, smartly, will not do that.

He gets no money if he refuses to sign.

[Dime]

Can he be traded at this point?

[peldon]

No, as he is not under contract. Basically we hold the rights to him for this season. If he doesn't sign he can't be fined/traded but he can't sign with another team either. If Dunta agrees to it they could negotiate a "sign and trade" deal. He would sign the tender and be traded, then sign a new deal with the other team.

[TMac48]

The bottom line is that he would be a fool not to sign the tender at this point. Hell, anybody would be a fool not to take 9+ million dollars for 6 months of work...he'll sign.

[Se7en]

No, as he is not under contract. Basically we hold the rights to him for this season. If he doesn't sign he can't be fined/traded but he can't sign with another team either. If Dunta agrees to it they could negotiate a "sign and trade" deal. He would sign the tender and be traded, then sign a new deal with the other team.

Exactly, but toc larify he will not be getting paid unless he signs the contract. If he chooses to sit out the season and cry about the team franchising him, then he will not get any money for the season. He is locked into what the Texans are offering him.

Yes, it would not be smart of the Texans to agree to a no franchise deal just to get Dunta practicing. If Dunta does not get out there with the team he will end up hurting himself in the long run due to poor play on the field.

I want the old Dunta back... without all this drama. The guy I LOVED cheering for!!! :(

[protoTexans]

The bottom line is that he would be a fool not to sign the tender at this point. Hell, anybody would be a fool not to take 9+ million dollars for 6 months of work...he'll sign.

Regardless what he does, if he wants those check books to open, whether here or elsewhere, He needs to get into camp, be there at the start of the season & PROVE himself again on the field. Was a time teams played away from him, but after the close of last season, they could not wait for him to get on the field to go after him. So get the rust off & you can borrow (or rent) my wd-40 for a measley $5 mil, I won't take all of your money, Gonna need something to live on... lol....

[chjoak]

Dunta has threatened to sit out of camp and part of the regular season over this situation. If he does decide to go that route, would anyone be upset if the coaching staff leaves him on the sidelines the entire season once he finally signs the tender? I for one would prefer they do that. If he wants to act like a baby, make an example of him. Make sure he doesn't see the field all season and then see what kind of deal he gets in 2010.

[A-B]

Dunta has threatened to sit out of camp and part of the regular season over this situation. If he does decide to go that route, would anyone be upset if the coaching staff leaves him on the sidelines the entire season once he finally signs the tender? I for one would prefer they do that. If he wants to act like a baby, make an example of him. Make sure he doesn't see the field all season and then see what kind of deal he gets in 2010.

I wouldnt be upset at all. What do you think will happen if he pouts and the Texans give in to him? That would open up a huge can of worms. TBH I dont care what they do with him b/c I am getting sick of him and his antics. He's not irreplaceable. This is not the 05 Texans.

[protoTexans]

I wouldnt be upset at all. What do you think will happen if he pouts and the Texans give in to him? That would open up a huge can of worms. TBH I dont care what they do with him b/c I am getting sick of him and his antics. He's not irreplaceable. This is not the 05 Texans.


Hear Hear....

[bugman7star]

In all honesty, we can win without him and make the playoffs without him. He is not the caliber of DB that completely changes the opposing team's offensive gameplan. Sign for your 10 mil and get on the field and show your talent Dunta! The more time he wastes not practicing with the team, the worse he is going to get.

[BattleRedFlash]

Regardless what he does, if he wants those check books to open, whether here or elsewhere, He needs to get into camp, be there at the start of the season & PROVE himself again on the field.

True. He needs to prove himself this year and hope to get by on just 9.9 million. He's only getting on fans nerves at this point. In these times, to be cyring over money is sick. And he never got back to full speed last year. What if he never does? Also, he's a 1st round pick, and never made a Pro Bowl. Isn't that a disappointment?

What I don't get now is that the Texans cannot negotiate a new deal til end of year, why would he hold out now? Just to get a promise that they won't tag him next year? They can't put that on paper til end of year, right?

[AllOrange]

Withdraw the tag. 10 mil is too much for a middle of the road CB anyway. Dunta should have taken Chris Gamble money, especially since he isn't even playing at a Chris Gamble level.

[raginbull]

He will sign his franchise tender soon! Mark my words! The Texans have the leverage and can withdraw his tender and lower the amount. this would be the smart thing for the texans to do. Lower the amount tendered and put him on the trading block to seewhat we can get out of him. He was a good player, is he anymore? that has yet to be proven. He hurts his chances of signing with another team next season if he chooses to leave by sitiing out of the season. the texans beed to give him an altimatum. get to training camp in order to play or you will sit! This lowers his value as a free-agent. He will not get another offer for this type of money! if he sits out, who is going to pay for a cb who has lingering questions about his ability to play and has set on the shelf for a year. trade him to another team with a pacman type deal wich will give us more if he does perform. start the deal with a fourth round pick. If he has a good year we should receive anywhere from a 3rd to second round draft choice. we need to get something outta him. In my opinion I would be comfortable with Reeves, Bennet, and Quinn. we will have MOlden back soon also.

[BBQ-n-Bock]

this is a gut feeling only, but I think the injury ended his career as a 'premier' player and he knows it. He can still play, but not at the high level pre-injury. I'm thinking that he knows this and is why he wanted a long term deal (ie., lots of signing dollars) because he's never going to reach the back end of the deal.

Following this thought, if he does take the $10m tender, this will be the last deal he gets. Once teams see he's not upper echelon he'll be banging on doors just trying to get a look.

Personally I'd love to see him come back and as I've always enjoyed watching him play, but the realistic part of me says that his career got cut short by injury and now he's trying to get the last paychecks he can because it's about over.

[wrestler4life]

I agree. He is probably feeling hurt because the team knows that he cannot come back at full strength and he feels like they owe it to him to compensate him for getting hurt playing for them (worker's comp). If so, he needs to get Aflac and quit griping.
Otherwise- show us you dont have any lingering effects from that injury and you will get paid.

[Little D]

I hope he got a good college education because he might be pricing himself right out of football.

[South Texan]

I agree. He is probably feeling hurt because the team knows that he cannot come back at full strength and he feels like they owe it to him to compensate him for getting hurt playing for them (worker's comp). If so, he needs to get Aflac and quit griping.
Otherwise- show us you dont have any lingering effects from that injury and you will get paid.

I think he already has AFLAC because he is acting quackers. I still wonder how much of this is Dunta and how much is his agent filling his head with garbage. Remember Dunta, that agent has a lot less to lose than you do.

[edo783]

Dunta has threatened to sit out of camp and part of the regular season over this situation. If he does decide to go that route, would anyone be upset if the coaching staff leaves him on the sidelines the entire season once he finally signs the tender? I for one would prefer they do that. If he wants to act like a baby, make an example of him. Make sure he doesn't see the field all season and then see what kind of deal he gets in 2010.

Yes, I would be VERY upset. If he doesn't sign his offer until game one he wont actually be ready until week 3-4. In essence that means we would be paying 12 million for him. If we let him sit, we just pissed away 9.9 million. If he hasn't signed by at least 2 weeks prior to the season so that he has time to get in football shape and to pick up the new/modified defense, then pull the offer and use the money saved to sign DeMeco and maybe pick up a depth player or two.

[mike gomez]

D-Rob has been acting like a little baby his play over the years does not deserve the big contract he wants, we have a lot of young corners at our disposal and we should take advantage of that I say we trade him for a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick and we develop Bennett, Molden, and Quin.

[SuperRY]

If he doesn't show up for camp, I'm gonna BOO the hell out of him come game day.

[Se7en]

If he doesn't show up for camp, I'm gonna BOO the hell out of him come game day.

I think a lot of us are actually starting to feel this way. Sad, because most of us were the people singing his praises.

Even if he comes out and preforms at a high level I am never goign to enjoy watching him the way I did because he has flushed his "I am in this for the love of the game and the Houston Fans" attitude that had us all backing him.

There is no way he can turn around after he finally gets a big pay day and make me believe that he is not just in this for the money now. :mad:

[Texan Naija]

I am thinking that Dunta really just wants out of Houston. The guy is a great cornerback but he doesn't seem like the egotistical type that would think he should be the highest paid cornerback in the NFL. He knows he can get more money elsewhere wants to be on the market with no strings to get paid or be on a title contending team.

There maybe something lingering with his injury but I can't help but think it is just that he wants out.

[bugman7star]

This is why Dunta is not getting what he feels he deserves. And he was healthy as can be when this play happened.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d803834db/Kerry-Collins-Highlight-WK-7-vs-Texans-2007

[protoTexans]

This is why Dunta is not getting what he feels he deserves. And he was healthy as can be when this play happened.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d803834db/Kerry-Collins-Highlight-WK-7-vs-Texans-2007


Dang the truth hurts.... & Video does not lie... I watched the Texans review also while I was on the site & is an intresting watch, I like the Slaton part at the end...

[mmtex63]

If he doesn't show up for camp, I'm gonna BOO the hell out of him come game day.

i'm gonna boo the hell outta him anyway!

[Se7en]

For anyone who listens to the Jim Rome show...

"I WANT MYYYYYYY DUNTA BACK!"

[Se7en]

This is why Dunta is not getting what he feels he deserves. And he was healthy as can be when this play happened.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d803834db/Kerry-Collins-Highlight-WK-7-vs-Texans-2007

I will defend him and say that he wa splaying at a probowl level in 2008 and was much better than 2007 in my opinion. The injury took away his chance to get the big bucks, but he has not accepted that yet.

I would love to look back on this post during the year and smile for being wrong. If Dunta is 100% who he was in 2008 he deserves to be paid.

[ubecool454]

Dunta,

I hope you read this, when you can prove to the Team, the City and the Fans that you can play a full season without getting injured then you have grounds to negotiate a deal. Until then, you have NO right demanding a big pay day. This is not the type of attitude we need around our team.

Be quiet....the guy got hurt once and I don't blame anyone for trying to get security. I can see both sides argument in this ongoing saga but...I'm staying out of because I don't want Dunta and I'm a Texans fan. Just let the reps from each side do what they do and we as fans should stay out of it. I have seen some fans on here throw some harsh criticism at Dunta but as soon as he comes to terms and gets that first INT and returns it for a TD all will be forgotten.

[protoTexans]

Be quiet....the guy got hurt once and I don't blame anyone for trying to get security. I can see both sides argument in this ongoing saga but...I'm staying out of because I don't want Dunta and I'm a Texans fan. Just let the reps from each side do what they do and we as fans should stay out of it. I have seen some fans on here throw some harsh criticism at Dunta but as soon as he comes to terms and gets that first INT and returns it for a TD all will be forgotten.

Amen Texans Fans, amen!!!!

[kookus]

Be quiet....the guy got hurt once and I don't blame anyone for trying to get security. I can see both sides argument in this ongoing saga but...I'm staying out of because I don't want Dunta and I'm a Texans fan. Just let the reps from each side do what they do and we as fans should stay out of it. I have seen some fans on here throw some harsh criticism at Dunta but as soon as he comes to terms and gets that first INT and returns it for a TD all will be forgotten.

I think the fact our season tickets go up ever year, the price of a beer at the stadium, over priced nfl paraphenalia gives us the right to NOT BE QUIET! I for one as a fan from Day 1, am tired of these guys griping for more money when they have not even given us a WINNING Record. I understand its a business but this business has failed every year since their inception if you measure success by winning records! Now all these guys want a pay day? Who is gonna pay for it? The FANS! and you want us to be quiet? Thanks for staying out of it., oh yeah you didn't.

[footballfan412]

I think the fact our season tickets go up ever year, the price of a beer at the stadium, over priced nfl paraphenalia gives us the right to NOT BE QUIET! I for one as a fan from Day 1, am tired of these guys griping for more money when they have not even given us a WINNING Record. I understand its a business but this business has failed every year since their inception if you measure success by winning records! Now all these guys want a pay day? Who is gonna pay for it? The FANS! and you want us to be quiet? Thanks for staying out of it., oh yeah you didn't.

And there it is. Totally agree. Bob McNair raised my season ticket prices AGAIN, and in the middle of a recession, no less. Not a smart move.


Renewing season tickets in this economy has not been an easy decision, especially for me. Therefore, I can complain all I want.

I own that **** team.

[ubecool454]

i'm gonna boo the hell outta him anyway!

you will boo him until he gets that first INT and goes for a score. I'm cheering him on when he comes on the field just like I do the rest of the team. Dunta is not hurting you or anyone else.....he may just be hurting himself.

[ubecool454]

I think the fact our season tickets go up ever year, the price of a beer at the stadium, over priced nfl paraphenalia gives us the right to NOT BE QUIET! I for one as a fan from Day 1, am tired of these guys griping for more money when they have not even given us a WINNING Record. I understand its a business but this business has failed every year since their inception if you measure success by winning records! Now all these guys want a pay day? Who is gonna pay for it? The FANS! and you want us to be quiet? Thanks for staying out of it., oh yeah you didn't.

Did you see how much money they have under the cap? Look, no one is holding a gun on you and making you buy tickets. I don't think Dunta or OD are getting good advice from their agents. I really do think that the NFL should make a rule that you cannot renegotiate your contract until it is up and that would solve a lot of headaches. Me as a fan...I choose to stay out of infighting.

[Wolfscar]

Did you see how much money they have under the cap? Look, no one is holding a gun on you and making you buy tickets. I don't think Dunta or OD are getting good advice from their agents. I really do think that the NFL should make a rule that you cannot renegotiate your contract until it is up and that would solve a lot of headaches. Me as a fan...I choose to stay out of infighting.

That's the tricky part of this situation though - OD and Dunta, both of their contracts are up. I think they're asking too much money, by the sound of things, but in their favour at least they're playing hardball when it's appropriate to do so. I don't like their tactics - especially OD not showing up to mandatory minicamp after signing the tender - but at least they're not doing this in the middle of an existing contract.

Having said that, I think Dunta's shooting himself in the foot. I hope that if he does demand top 3 money and won't budge on it then we let him walk. I don't want us as an organisation to start pandering to prima donna players. He didn't sign the franchise tender so he's in danger of making nothing this year if we doesn't wake up and realise that he's got to state his case on the field. This year. For a full season. I hope he stays and plays, but he's not bigger than the team and he needs to realise that.

[wildroot]

I really do think that the NFL should make a rule that you cannot renegotiate your contract until it is up and that would solve a lot of headaches.

Agree 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Se7en]

you will boo him until he gets that first INT and goes for a score. I'm cheering him on when he comes on the field just like I do the rest of the team. Dunta is not hurting you or anyone else.....he may just be hurting himself.

He has already tarnished his name by demanding top dollar when EVERYONE knows he is not worth that. The reason he has been a fan favorite is because he gave everyone the impression that he was playing for a love of the game and for the fans. This is clearly no longer the case and maybe it was the reality check that came from the injury that changed him.

He is not the Dunta I was screaming my head off cheering for when he made his return to the field last season.

He is not the Dunta that I was nearly in tears over when he sustained the injury during the Raiders game in 2007.

Dunta made a big mistake with plenty of his biggest fans by coming out with his over-inflated ego and self righteous behavior during the offseason. Having said that, nothing is going to keep me from cheering for my team and nothing is going to keep me from hoping deep down that Dunta is right and he is back to the player he was prior to the injury.

The only way I will forgive and forget is if Dunta takes the field and plays lights out and proves he is demanding the money to match his elevated play. If he comes out and is still at 80% that we saw last seaosn then Iw ill continue to be disappointed in DUnta for trying to trick MY team into giving him a big payday that he did not earn.

I sure hope I am not alone in that line of thinking.

[mikeinsa]

What Mr Robinson is not taking into consideration in the negotiations to date is the impact that his behavior will have on his marketability for next year.

By that what I mean is that as of last week there is zero chance for him to advance his financial position for next year from what it is today by not signing the franchise tender. What happens as a result of him not signing could be that Bennett, the new kids, and Molden all get more snaps and more opportunities to step into the #2 cb role. If one of them steps up and makes an impression that may render Mr Robinson the nickle position when he finally does come to his senses. That could be very costly for him as he tries to make his case for a big contract for next year and beyond.

[raginbull]

He has already tarnished his name by demanding top dollar when EVERYONE knows he is not worth that. The reason he has been a fan favorite is because he gave everyone the impression that he was playing for a love of the game and for the fans. This is clearly no longer the case and maybe it was the reality check that came from the injury that changed him.

He is not the Dunta I was screaming my head off cheering for when he made his return to the field last season.

He is not the Dunta that I was nearly in tears over when he sustained the injury during the Raiders game in 2007.

Dunta made a big mistake with plenty of his biggest fans by coming out with his over-inflated ego and self righteous behavior during the offseason. Having said that, nothing is going to keep me from cheering for my team and nothing is going to keep me from hoping deep down that Dunta is right and he is back to the player he was prior to the injury.

The only way I will forgive and forget is if Dunta takes the field and plays lights out and proves he is demanding the money to match his elevated play. If he comes out and is still at 80% that we saw last seaosn then Iw ill continue to be disappointed in DUnta for trying to trick MY team into giving him a big payday that he did not earn.

I sure hope I am not alone in that line of thinking.

i agree with you here! the pay equals the play! he has not been himself since the injury and has yet to remove the doubts that he can return to form. His Hold out gives the impression that he wants security in his financial situation before showing up and being evaluated, because he knows he isnt the same player!

[raginbull]

Did you see how much money they have under the cap? Look, no one is holding a gun on you and making you buy tickets. I don't think Dunta or OD are getting good advice from their agents. I really do think that the NFL should make a rule that you cannot renegotiate your contract until it is up and that would solve a lot of headaches. Me as a fan...I choose to stay out of infighting.

Not allowing players to re-negotiate is right in some cases and wrong in others. Who is to say demeco isnt deserving of a pay raise? There are players that have a legitimate reason to have a pay raise. also it lightens the front end of contracts that gives teams more money to move under the cap in a year. It can give the team a chance to bring in another player in that year. How many teams havent excelled because they were one good player away from a championship?

[TEXANBRONCO]

unfortunatly, i must say, that both these guys better play their butts off this year....because if they dont.....THEY ARE GONE:D

[South Texan]

Hey, let's just dump AJ, DeMeco, and Mario so we can pay Dunta what he thinks he deserves.

Dunta, drop that sleeze ball agent, take the $9mil this year and prove you are the Dunta of old or better and that contract will be there for you next year when the cap is higher if not just plain gone.

[mmtex63]

you will boo him until he gets that first INT and goes for a score. I'm cheering him on when he comes on the field just like I do the rest of the team. Dunta is not hurting you or anyone else.....he may just be hurting himself.

hows he gonna get an interception on the bench BOOOOOOOOOO

[dajjal]

so what happends now that the signing deadline past, can he still be signed or what happends from here?

[wildroot]

I am a Texan fan period! When a player decides to put himself in a position first and foremost over the team then I have to ask myself why they are doing so. In Dunta's and Owens case we have good young talent around them so get what you can and move them before it becomes a much bigger distraction. Demeco can then make up his mind what he needs to do. He in my opinion is deserving of a nice contract because of what his first one was. The Texans gave them all opportunities to be good players and they were paid for their efforts. They dont need to do nothing more except offer them fair and decent contracts which they have. So lets move on, get draft picks and stock pile them over the next 2 years to keep us in fresh young studs for some time. You never know from year to year what you will need to replace due to injuries. Having extra picks would be nice instead of breaking the bank for these guys, sorry but thats how I feel.

In ODs case, we need him now. The talent around him is unproven and untested on an NFL field. I'm assuming you're talking about the two rookies. If so, no way they can fill his shoes anywhere in the same stratosphere as the level OD plays at. A couple years down the road, we'll see. But now...we need OD on the field on opening day. Don't know why the FO has chosen to play hardball with one of our top offensive weapons who just seems to go out there and play ball every Sunday at a pro bowl level. Dude's a solid citizen and simply wants a little stability when it comes to where he's going to be for the next few years. Hell, give the guy a 5 year contract. It's not like we couldn't trade him for some excelllent value if for whatever reason the FO doesn't want him here after this year.

It simply boggles the mind.

[TheGoaT]

OD has signed his tender, he will play this year. The FO probably doesnt want to give him top TE pay because if the CBA falls through, OD will be a RFA again next year and the Texans wont be in too much danger of losing him. It makes business sense whether we fans agree or not.

[wildroot]

I think job security and stability is more important to him than top money as opposed to fair money. JMO

[protoTexans]

OD is a good player but he isnt top 5 money. He can catch most of the time and can run after. He isnt a blocker what so ever thats why we have another TE that can block but he isnt the best receiver. Of all the positions on this team TE is probably the easiest to fill. I want OD on our team but only if he is an asset and someone who sets examples not distractions. And yes he is replacable and isnt the difference of making or not making the playoffs.

I can agree on one thing w/stonecold, that is his blocking. But as for his other opinions, I disagree... OD is an intrical part of this offense, yes he can be replaced, but only if we want to wait another 2 or so seasons for someone to fill his cleats....

[Yosarian]

Why are we still talking about OD? He signed .,,he messed up and missed one day ..got fined...went to work.

Lets keep this on topic. DUNTA! is the problem child...not Owen.