Travis Johnson has surgery

[nativetexan]

Mark Berman is reporting that Travis Johnson had sports hernia surgery 3 weeks ago.

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/nfl/090721_texans_dt_johnson_surgery

This could mean that he starts the year on the pup list. This makes the DT position battle that much more interesting.

[blake1776]

I hope Okam can take it, but I also believe Deljuan will collapse some pockets.

[Yosarian]

I will never understand why these guys wait and wait and wait and right before training camp...decide to have a surgery done that they could have done back in january and been fully recovered. I see this all the time and i will never figure it out.

I think it is pathetic.

[Wolfscar]

Like I said in a previous thread (and was ridiculed by certain people for) - I think TJ has played his last game as a Texan. I stand by that.

Kubes was already pissed that he showed up hurt and out of shape for OTAs, now he's not going to be 100% for training camp? There are several others on the roster with bags of potential who are going to use the added reps they'll get to move past the guy and then we'll drop him from the roster. That's my 2 cents, anyway.

I'd like to stress that this isn't a personal thing I have with TJ - I just don't think he's the best DT on our roster anymore, not by a long shot, and he's far and away the highest paid (earning $1.03 million this year, compared to Okoye's $630,000, which is about twice as much as any other DT on the roster). I'd sooner cut him or trade him for whatever draft pick we can get for the guy and give the opportunity to some players with the potential to excel (Okam, Robinson, Cody, Bulman, Leonard ...).

[TheLBCoach]

There comes a point in time when you (as a coach) have to stop believing in a player. Period. Especially when said player lets his team down season after season.

I realize that's not the best-sounding thing a coach can ever say, but it's the truth.

The NT position should have been addressed in a bigger way. (Shaun Cody does not constitute 'a bigger way')

You guys are right. Frank Okam had better step up and make Travis Johnson nothing more than an afterthought.

[protoTexans]

If he is on PUP list, then he can't be cut comes roster trimming time. Bettes did that with the Steelers when he thought he was going to be cut, he faked an injury.


Yes if he is placed on the PUP list before training camp, it will give him upto 6weeks to get back in shape & play, if the Texans decide he cannot go any farther than that & place him on the season PUP list, then he is out for the rest of the season... & then HEADS should roll, we do not need someone that cannot take being a 1st round draft choice seriously & come to play each week.

[Humble1]

Like I said in a previous thread (and was ridiculed by certain people for) - I think TJ has played his last game as a Texan. I stand by that.

Kubes was already pissed that he showed up hurt and out of shape for OTAs, now he's not going to be 100% for training camp? There are several others on the roster with bags of potential who are going to use the added reps they'll get to move past the guy and then we'll drop him from the roster. That's my 2 cents, anyway.

I'd like to stress that this isn't a personal thing I have with TJ - I just don't think he's the best DT on our roster anymore, not by a long shot, and he's far and away the highest paid (earning $1.03 million this year, compared to Okoye's $630,000, which is about twice as much as any other DT on the roster). I'd sooner cut him or trade him for whatever draft pick we can get for the guy and give the opportunity to some players with the potential to excel (Okam, Robinson, Cody, Bulman, Leonard ...).

I agree with this 100%...well said IMO. I said several months ago that if TJ was still our best option at DT this year, then Kubiak and Smith should take a hit for not having gotten us into a better position.

[Se7en]

So would this be classified as an inflammed pelvis surgery?

[Se7en]

I said several months ago that if TJ was still our best option at DT this year, then Kubiak and Smith should take a hit for not having gotten us into a better position.

(Sarcasm Mode Enabled)

Because we did not reach for a DT in the draft? Because the free agent market was not the best this season? Yeah, I agree Kubiak and Smith should totally be blamed for their lack of preperation!!! GET THEM ROPES READY!!!

Oh wait...

Do we have other DTs on this team that showed some promise like Robinson pressuring the QB or Okam for his sheer size to eat up blockers?

Can Smith play both Tackle and End so he can shift in and out as we need him to?

Did we actually picked up a FA DT named Shaun Cody that they felt would fit our system?

Clearly the front office is just sitting around playing Yatzee and has no clue where this team's weaknesses are! THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING TO FIX THAT POSITION!!! :rolleyes:

[protoTexans]

(Sarcasm Mode Enabled)

Because we did not reach for a DT in the draft? Because the free agent market was not the best this season? Yeah, I agree Kubiak and Smith should totally be blamed for their lack of preperation!!! GET THEM ROPES READY!!!

Oh wait...

Do we have other DTs on this team that showed some promise like Robinson pressuring the QB or Okam for his sheer size to eat up blockers?

Can Smith play both Tackle and End so he can shift in and out as we need him to?

Did we actually picked up a FA DT named Shaun Cody that they felt would fit our system?

Clearly the front office is just sitting around playing Yatzee and has no clue where this team's weaknesses are! THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING TO FIX THAT POSITION!!! :rolleyes:


Clearly....

[buffsoldier]

Go Big Frank Okam! I have confidence in this guy for some reason. Just reading all the reports coming out of college on how this guy was supposed to be a top 15 talent but never showed the grit and work ethic. Now we see him showing that grit and work ethic. He has drastically lost weight and he is probably down to around like 315-320 instead of the 347 he was listed at last year, and he really wants the starting job. He might be the complement we need for Amobi.

[protoTexans]

Go Big Frank Okam! I have confidence in this guy for some reason. Just reading all the reports coming out of college on how this guy was supposed to be a top 15 talent but never showed the grit and work ethic. Now we see him showing that grit and work ethic. He has drastically lost weight and he is probably down to around like 315-320 instead of the 347 he was listed at last year, and he really wants the starting job. He might be the complement we need for Amobi.


Just read his stats on HT.com & this kid is a Pass deflecting machine... He was part of a Texas D that ranked pretty darn good for his four years there & YES I want to see more out him this year, thnx to TJ, we are gonna see him alot more often.

[protoTexans]

I think it's time for the Texans to (as one of our members wrote) "analize" TJ if the doctors haven't yet.

ooooh we are getting bad at this.. lol...



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse for any posters that could need some help... lol... Even though I am not the one to speak... lol.. I do my own part in this...

[protoTexans]

You didn't think we were going to let it go..lol


Of course not!!!! HiFive... lol...

[VBot]

Was the surgery to repair his non production? But really, I wish him well.

[Se7en]

I am disappointed that his inflammed pelvis from after his honeymoon last year was probably nothing more than his "sports hernia" acting up. We had so much fun making Viagra jokes and now it seems so boring! :(

On the other hand, how did TJ have this exact same issue last season as we were rolling into OTAs and now he has just got around to fixing it? AT least I think it was OTAs he missed do to his honeymoon and the "inflamed pelvis" that followed. It might have been TC last year and that would make this seem even more weird.

[Sprtsfanatic]

texan saint....now thats an awesome signature pic....can u send me that??

[Texian]

I will never understand why these guys wait and wait and wait and right before training camp...decide to have a surgery done that they could have done back in january and been fully recovered. I see this all the time and i will never figure it out. I think it is pathetic.

Are you not the least bit concerned that he had to go to a St Louis doctor to get it diagnosed? That would mean the Texans medical staff completely missed on diagnosing it. That doesn't bother you? Are you not the least bit amazed that Travis was best DT on field these last two years while playing with a sports hernia?

[TK_Gamer]

Team medical people see what the FO wants them to see. Remember Bosselli (sp) ? DD? etc. It's sad and unfortunate. I think with the money we have invested in TJ he will still get a shot to prove himself after he recovers. Which I think is only fair considering he played through alot of pain and still outclassed everyone else we put at the position. It is sad that he was the best we could put on the field for the last 3 years though.

[rush2112mn]

I will never understand why these guys wait and wait and wait and right before training camp...decide to have a surgery done that they could have done back in january and been fully recovered. I see this all the time and i will never figure it out.

I think it is pathetic.

I guess he wanted to wait....I don't know....but hey.....it is time for someone else to step up.....Robinson...Bullman....Okam......lets see who shines.......

[jshabang]

Are you not the least bit concerned that he had to go to a St Louis doctor to get it diagnosed? That would mean the Texans medical staff completely missed on diagnosing it. That doesn't bother you? Are you not the least bit amazed that Travis was best DT on field these last two years while playing with a sports hernia?

HEY TRAVIS!!!!!!!!....

no but really.....he wasn't............deljuan led the tackle position in most categories and played the best out of all DT IMHO

[Humble1]

(Sarcasm Mode Enabled)

Because we did not reach for a DT in the draft? Because the free agent market was not the best this season? Yeah, I agree Kubiak and Smith should totally be blamed for their lack of preperation!!! GET THEM ROPES READY!!!

Oh wait...

Do we have other DTs on this team that showed some promise like Robinson pressuring the QB or Okam for his sheer size to eat up blockers?

Can Smith play both Tackle and End so he can shift in and out as we need him to?

Did we actually picked up a FA DT named Shaun Cody that they felt would fit our system?

Clearly the front office is just sitting around playing Yatzee and has no clue where this team's weaknesses are! THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING TO FIX THAT POSITION!!! :rolleyes:

Sorry bud but you missed my point completely. I was actually saying (and predicted some time ago btw) that because of some of our points regarding Okam, Smith etc... these guys do see what some of us non-TJ fans see and are trying to get us into a better position than TJ. And, I believe TJ has played his last game for us because their plans are going to succeed IMO.

Now that said, if we still have to go with TJ, then yes they own the problem like any other weakness on the time which does not mean anything like a firing or looking for a rope just a statement of fact.

[Yosarian]

Are you not the least bit concerned that he had to go to a St Louis doctor to get it diagnosed? That would mean the Texans medical staff completely missed on diagnosing it. That doesn't bother you? Are you not the least bit amazed that Travis was best DT on field these last two years while playing with a sports hernia?

Yeah, like the Texans medical staff isn't any good. Get real. Travis has been a slacker his whole life. Look up his college stats. Sucked and under achieved his first 3 years and then before the draft in his senior year he decides he better play well. Then he manufactures ways to miss training camp two years in a row. This is on TJ not the medical staff. Who knows more thanthe player what hurts and if he doesn't express that concern then it is on him. Get rid of this slacker please! You can try to chant the praises of TJ but his record stands for itself. He is a non worker, slacker, who only tries when it's a contract year. Who needs players like that? Not the Texans.

[Se7en]

And, I believe TJ has played his last game for us because their plans are going to succeed IMO.

Then why word your sentence like you think SMith and Kubes are not addressing the issue? If they had not made any moves at the DT position, then I would be concerned and expect them to answer for avoiding that position.

That was not the case though, they made a number of moves this season and last that will allow for them to drop TJ and his groin. I was impressed with what we saw from Robinson last season and hope to be impressed by Okam if he can make a jump from last season.

I reread your post and it still gives me the feeling that you think the FOs should suffer if their DT plans do not pan out. Maybe it was just the wording and you did not intended it to come off that way.

[Se7en]

Are you not the least bit concerned that he had to go to a St Louis doctor to get it diagnosed? That would mean the Texans medical staff completely missed on diagnosing it.

Or it would mean it was not an issue and TJ went and found a doctor that would say he had an issue that needed to be corrected. Similar to the Tracy McGrady issue where the team did not agree with his moves to have surgery so he found someone else that would do it for him.

[South Texan]

TJ's not using Micheal Jackson's doctor is he???

[ubecool454]

This is your big chance Okam....just get in there and tie up blockers and make it easy for Mario, Okoye and Antonio Smith to get after those QBs...especially Manning, Collins and Brady.

[Yosarian]

Or it would mean it was not an issue and TJ went and found a doctor that would say he had an issue that needed to be corrected. Similar to the Tracy McGrady issue where the team did not agree with his moves to have surgery so he found someone else that would do it for him.

i was thinking it , but i didn't want to say it. lol But yeah, makes sense.

[Humble1]

Then why word your sentence like you think SMith and Kubes are not addressing the issue? If they had not made any moves at the DT position, then I would be concerned and expect them to answer for avoiding that position.

That was not the case though, they made a number of moves this season and last that will allow for them to drop TJ and his groin. I was impressed with what we saw from Robinson last season and hope to be impressed by Okam if he can make a jump from last season.

I reread your post and it still gives me the feeling that you think the FOs should suffer if their DT plans do not pan out. Maybe it was just the wording and you did not intended it to come off that way.

I can see where it may have sounded that way. Sometimes I forget that the dots do not always connect with previous posts and threads on similar subjects. I went at it pretty good several months ago with some of the TJ fans (nothing wrong with being one of those btw...I am just not one of them). They were making the point that the coaches did not see TJ as a weak link that needed to be addressed to which I and others pointed out the moves made that seemed to contradict that view and if they really did like TJ as much as some fans on the board think they do, then they obviously would own at this point the level of play we get from his spot on the field next year.

[South Texan]

TJ is listed as the #2 guy behind Robinson on the depth chart http://www.houstontexans.com/team/depthchart.asp

I hadn't looked at the depth chart in a while so I wonder if I am way behind times here or is this a recent change?

[protoTexans]

TJ is listed as the #2 guy behind Robinson on the depth chart http://www.houstontexans.com/team/depthchart.asp

I hadn't looked at the depth chart in a while so I wonder if I am way behind times here or is this a recent change?

U are not really behind the times ST, but it was just updated on the 22nd... & before TC starts, this is going to quickly change.... Lets just hope that HT.com keeps up with it better... lol...