Good article on Andre Johnson

[954Texan]

Hey there is finally a article calling Andre the best WR in football. Good read check it out. Its about time he gets some props.

http://www.playersvoice.com/nfl/silent-but-deadly.html

[PuddleOfGlowing]

I think he under estimates the vaule of kevin walter and our other recievers, otherwise I agree with everything he said.

[Number 34]

I think he under estimates the vaule of kevin walter and our other recievers, otherwise I agree with everything he said.

Yea he made it sound like Walter was meh next to players like A. Boldin. The fact is that any WR, TE, or RB we put in can catch the ball plus Schuab spreads the love around to all of them. Teams know that if they double team AJ they will get burnt every time. Yes AJ is the best WR in the NFL but our other guys aren't schlubs and some of his success is due to them.

[dbruder44]

Andre is the best bar none IMO, but it doesn't hurt having Kevin and Owen in the pattern and Steve as a running option either, pick your poison with our defense you can stack the box to shut down Steve and get burned deep all day or Stay on Andre and Kevin and have Owen underneath and Steve running or screening all day.

[954Texan]

Yea he made it sound like Walter was meh next to players like A. Boldin. The fact is that any WR, TE, or RB we put in can catch the ball plus Schuab spreads the love around to all of them. Teams know that if they double team AJ they will get burnt every time. Yes AJ is the best WR in the NFL but our other guys aren't schlubs and some of his success is due to them.

I like Walter as much as anyone but you cant seriously compare him to Boldin or those other second options..the other second options are all pro bowl players Boldin is a top 10 WR..TJ has lead the NFL in catches..Marvin Harrison is a hall of famer. Walters might be underrated but he is no here close to Boldin or a top 10 WR. He has never even had 70 catches Boldin has 2 seasons over 100

[dbruder44]

I like Walter as much as anyone but you cant seriously compare him to Boldin or those other second options..the other second options are all pro bowl players Boldin is a top 10 WR..TJ has lead the NFL in catches..Marvin Harrison is a hall of famer. Walters might be underrated but he is no here close to Boldin or a top 10 WR. He has never even had 70 catches Boldin has 2 seasons over 100

yeah but AZ has no running game and no probowl TE either. indy has Dallas Clark and and a competent running game but no defense. Walter had a great year and could be a WR1 on the Jets, Ravens, Dolphins maybe

[954Texan]

yeah but AZ has no running game and no probowl TE either. indy has Dallas Clark and and a competent running game but no defense. Walter had a great year and could be a WR1 on the Jets, Ravens, Dolphins maybe

Slice anyway you want it ..dress it up..call it what you want ..Walter is no Boldin..not even close. Dont be that much of a Hommer

[dbruder44]

Slice anyway you want it ..dress it up..call it what you want ..Walter is no Boldin..not even close. Dont be that much of a Hommer

I didn't say that, Walter is in the top 30 not the top 10. What's a Hommer, don't make me call the LB coach on you.

All I was saying is Fitz has weapons, and Andre has weapons that help their game, compared to a Calvin Johnson who is also top 5 but has no weapons.

[954Texan]

I didn't say that, Walter is in the top 30 not the top 10. What's a Hommer, don't make me call the LB coach on you.

All I was saying is Fitz has weapons, and Andre has weapons that help their game, compared to a Calvin Johnson who is also top 5 but has no weapons.

hmmmmmmmm so your half way out there are you going to go all the way ? Are you saying Calvin is better then Andre..?

[dbruder44]

hmmmmmmmm so your half way out there are you going to go all the way ? Are you saying Calvin is better then Andre..?

No Calvin is 3rd, Fitz second, Moss 4th, Smith 5th, Owens, Jennings, Wayne Marshall (although dropping), White etc. Andre is a god IMO, best combo of speed and power ever, we are wtching an all time great in his prime, enjoy the next 5-6 years of it.

[954Texan]

No Calvin is 3rd, Fitz second, Moss 4th, Smith 5th, Owens, Jennings, Wayne Marshall (although dropping), White etc. Andre is a god IMO, best combo of speed and power ever, we are wtching an all time great in his prime, enjoy the next 5-6 years of it.

pretty good list cant argue with that..i MIGHT put Marshall and Wayne ahead of Jennings.

[Wolverine]

41 inch verticle. ****!

[Number 34]

Slice anyway you want it ..dress it up..call it what you want ..Walter is no Boldin..not even close. Dont be that much of a Hommer

Okay you made bust out the stats.


2008 Regular Season Stats

Boldin: 6'1" 117 lbs, 89 catches for 1038 yards (11.7 yards avg), 11 TDs & 3 Fumbles.

Walter: 6'3" 115 lbs. 60 catches for 899 yards (15 yards avg), 8 TDs & 0 fumbles.

Clearly Walter is more of a clutch reciever with 0 fumbles and a 3.3 yards per carry better avg. Plus he only scored 3 less TDs. Matter of fact, if you subtract Boldins fumbles from his TDs they are even but Walter did it more efficiently with less receptions needed.

This shows that if we didn't have a QB thats spreads the ball around and an awesome core of recievers, Walters would be better than Boldin. Just think what he would have done had he been in Boldins shoes last year.

Who is the homer now?

[954Texan]

[QUOTE=Number 34;212496]Okay you made bust out the stats.


2008 Regular Season Stats

Boldin: 6'1" 117 lbs, 89 catches for 1038 yards (11.7 yards avg), 11 TDs & 3 Fumbles.

Walter: 6'3" 115 lbs. 60 catches for 899 yards (15 yards avg), 8 TDs & 0 fumbles.

Clearly Walter is more of a clutch reciever with 0 fumbles and a 3.3 yards per carry better avg. Plus he only scored 3 less TDs. Matter of fact, if you subtract Boldins fumbles from his TDs they are even but Walter did it more efficiently with less receptions needed.

This shows that if we didn't have a QB thats spreads the ball around and an awesome core of recievers, Walters would be better than Boldin. Just think what he would have done had he been in Boldins shoes last year.

Who is the homer now?

Thats flat out dumb..no other word to call it. Comparing Walter to Boldin is dumb.

[Number 34]

Thats flat out dumb..no other word to call it. Comparing Walter to Boldin is dumb.

Not as dumb as ignoring stats.

How can you say Walter is not comparable to Boldin when Boldin had a meager 139 yards and 3 touchdowns more than Walter. Plus you can't ignore the fact that Walter had a higher average yards per reciept and zero fumbles to Boldins three. Stats don't lie man. Walter is as good a #2 WR as anybody in the NFl.

[954Texan]

Not as dumb as ignoring stats.

How can you say Walter is not comparable to Boldin when Boldin had a meager 139 yards and 3 touchdowns more than Walter. Plus you can't ignore the fact that Walter had a higher average yards per reciept and zero fumbles to Boldins three. Stats don't lie man. Walter is as good a #2 WR as anybody in the NFl.

Here you go stat boy we will go with your theory stats dont lie

career games walter 91 boldin 80
rec walter 172 boldin 501
yds walter 2155 boldin 6500
tds walter 13 boldin 40
yds/gm 27 81
career lng 67 78
yds/rec 12.3 12.5
yac 3.9 5.5
pro bowls 0 3
rookie year 3rec 18yds 100 rec 1377 yds
150 yard games 1 5
200 yard games 0 1
walter best 16 games year 60 rec 899 yards
boldin worse 16 game year 83 rec 1203 yards.

Since your a man of stats there are a few for you. look at those numbers and tell there is any comparison. The only thing Walter as more of is games played. Boldin had 100 rec as a rookie with Mcnown as a qb so it wasnt the system. Boldin is regarded as one of the 10 ten in the NFL. Dont get carried away. You said it best numbers dont lie, and boldins numbers in his worse year are way better then Walter best.

[954Texan]

any "best of" list, no matter the subject, is highly subjective, at best.


Your "best of" isn't neccesarily my, or anyone else's, "best of".


Funny thing about humans... we seem to love it when someone tells us what we want to hear. Whether it's true or not, people don't like to be told that they're wrong.

IMO, AJ is a great player, but I don't care whether some self proclaimed NFL guru ranks him 1st or 101st. Besides, there are far too many factors to even contemplate such a ranking. You could rely on only statistics, or you could delve deeper and find other factors such as physical capabilities, the team they play for and the style of offense they run, blocking ability, team leadership qualities, team mates, blah blah blah ad naseum. You could actually come up with 10000 different ways to rank someone and when it comes down to it, none of them are probably right.

Again... "right" in this case only means you agree with it. "wrong" means you don't.

Certainly it's not worth arguing over, but if you prefer meaningless debate over something so subjective, carry on, more power to you.

And if there's one thing our entertainment industry has taught us :

Most popular means best, right?

your right so for that matter one could say Ryan Leaf is better then Peyton Manning..or Walter is better then Jerry Rice..who could tell them they were wrong..all you could do is disagree.

[Number 34]

Here you go stat boy we will go with your theory stats dont lie

career games walter 91 boldin 80
rec walter 172 boldin 501
yds walter 2155 boldin 6500
tds walter 13 boldin 40
yds/gm 27 81
career lng 67 78
yds/rec 12.3 12.5
yac 3.9 5.5
pro bowls 0 3
rookie year 3rec 18yds 100 rec 1377 yds
150 yard games 1 5
200 yard games 0 1
walter best 16 games year 60 rec 899 yards
boldin worse 16 game year 83 rec 1203 yards.

Since your a man of stats there are a few for you. look at those numbers and tell there is any comparison. The only thing Walter as more of is games played. Boldin had 100 rec as a rookie with Mcnown as a qb so it wasnt the system. Boldin is regarded as one of the 10 ten in the NFL. Dont get carried away. You said it best numbers dont lie, and boldins numbers in his worse year are way better then Walter best.

Dude live in the now. Don't act like a Cowboy fan. The article is based on last years WR stats. Plus Walter only started 2 games in his three years with Cinci and 2 games in his first year with the Texans. The last two seasons Walter has had over 800 yards and 5 TDs and is getting better all the time.

Also if you are going to go by career stats then you will want to throw AJs in the mix so you can make a case for Boldin being better than AJ. LOL.

Bottom line is Walter is a top notch #2 reciever and does not get the credit he deserves.

PS: You can ride Boldin's jock all you want but I will wager that Walter has a better season than him this year.

[954Texan]

Dude live in the now. Don't act like a Cowboy fan. The article is based on last years WR stats. Plus Walter only started 2 games in his three years with Cinci and 2 games in his first year with the Texans. The last two seasons Walter has had over 800 yards and 5 TDs and is getting better all the time.

Also if you are going to go by career stats then you will want to throw AJs in the mix so you can make a case for Boldin being better than AJ. LOL.

Bottom line is Walter is a top notch #2 reciever and does not get the credit he deserves.

PS: You can ride Boldin's jock all you want but I will wager that Walter has a better season than him this year.

You find me one place tha has Walters ranked anywhere close to boldin let alone ahead of him..espn..cnn..SI..sportingnews..sportsline....et c..good luck..FYI Boldin played 4 less games then Walter last year and still had a worse year

[Number 34]

You find me one place tha has Walters ranked anywhere close to boldin let alone ahead of him..espn..cnn..SI..sportingnews..sportsline....et c..good luck..FYI Boldin played 4 less games then Walter last year and still had a worse year

The only thing the stats really show is that Walter doesn't get the ball thrown at him as much as Boldin but if he did he would hold on to it better and get more yards maybe even TDs.

But whatever, I still say Walter is awesome and is going to kick *** this year!

[theanswer000]

Im a Texans fan and even I would say Boldin is a lot better then walters. Walters had one good year boldin has been consistent through his career. and 3 touchdowns is a big deal

[Number 34]

Im a Texans fan and even I would say Boldin is a lot better then walters. Walters had one good year boldin has been consistent through his career. and 3 touchdowns is a big deal

Yea but Walters has been consistant throughout his career in games he has started.

Walter 61.5 yds/game started. Boldin 84.4 yds/game started.

Walter 2.69 TDs/game started. Boldin 1.9 TDs/game started.

I don't know why he never played in his three years with Cinci but he has been impressive here in Houston.

Think about it. Walter does get open and he catches just about everything thrown at him, plus he gets the extra yardage after the catch and rarely fumbles. You can't tell me he does not have Boldin's stats because he is inferior when we all know that we don't pass as much as AZ and we spread the ball around more.

If Boldin and Walter switched spots I would bet that their stats would swap also. I believe that.

BTW. 3 TDs is a lot but so is 3 fumbles. Walter was #8 in WR TDs last year tied with our own AJ.

[954Texan]

Give it up..no one is buying Walter is better then Boldin argument. Walter is good and underrated..but Boldin is one of the best in the game. He didnt play on the Bengals because he wasnt better then Chad,or TJ.

[Number 34]

Give it up..no one is buying Walter is better then Boldin argument. Walter is good and underrated..but Boldin is one of the best in the game. He didnt play on the Bengals because he wasnt better then Chad,or TJ.

Will do. But you have to at least concede that Walter is the best bang for the buck.

BTW Ocho and TJ were already established with the Bengals before Walter came on board. Also they only had 8 TDs between the two of them last year. Even if Ocho started all 16 games, I think Walter would have better stats. Just sayin.

[mmtex63]

[QUOTE=Number 34;212496]Okay you made bust out the stats.


2008 Regular Season Stats

Boldin: 6'1" 117 lbs, 89 catches for 1038 yards (11.7 yards avg), 11 TDs & 3 Fumbles.

Walter: 6'3" 115 lbs. 60 catches for 899 yards (15 yards avg), 8 TDs & 0 fumbles.

Clearly Walter is more of a clutch reciever with 0 fumbles and a 3.3 yards per carry better avg. Plus he only scored 3 less TDs. Matter of fact, if you subtract Boldins fumbles from his TDs they are even but Walter did it more efficiently with less receptions needed.

This shows that if we didn't have a QB thats spreads the ball around and an awesome core of recievers, Walters would be better than Boldin. Just think what he would have done had he been in Boldins shoes last year.

Who is the homer now?

Thats flat out dumb..no other word to call it. Comparing Walter to Boldin is dumb.

115lbs. and 117lbs. don't they weigh atleast 120

[Number 34]

[QUOTE=954Texan;212502]

115lbs. and 117lbs. don't they weigh atleast 120

Maybe. I got this info off of nfl.com.

[KW_EMU_Fan_81]

OK first of all I know there is sarcasm in this but I think they weigh in the 200's they are not the cheerleaders on the sideline :)

I have followed Kevin's career since he was in high school through college and up to today.

As far as Cinci goes... he learned alot and sat back waiting for his opportunity because when you have OCHO CINCO getting millions of $$$ you are not going to replace him with a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd year without an injury.

And TJ was planted and at the time they as a duo were like AJ and Kevin is now.

Most of you do not know that when he was "waiting" he was the Special Teams ACE and always one of the first guys down the field and mixing it up.

When he got his chance he took total advantage of it in the playoffs when he lit up the secondary in the playoff game against the Superbowl Champs (Steelers)

It is a business... you are not going to sit a guy(s) you are paying Millions of $$$ on the sideline even if a guy may be more productive.. So let's keep it real.

As far as a comparison against Boldin... I think Kevin should be closer to him with all the intangibles he brings to the field...

[Number 34]

OK first of all I know there is sarcasm in this but I think they weigh in the 200's they are not the cheerleaders on the sideline :)

Yea it was a typo. Hard to live these things down on the forums. Always triple check your info then check it again. :)

[954Texan]

OK first of all I know there is sarcasm in this but I think they weigh in the 200's they are not the cheerleaders on the sideline :)

I have followed Kevin's career since he was in high school through college and up to today.

As far as Cinci goes... he learned alot and sat back waiting for his opportunity because when you have OCHO CINCO getting millions of $$$ you are not going to replace him with a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd year without an injury.

And TJ was planted and at the time they as a duo were like AJ and Kevin is now.

Most of you do not know that when he was "waiting" he was the Special Teams ACE and always one of the first guys down the field and mixing it up.

When he got his chance he took total advantage of it in the playoffs when he lit up the secondary in the playoff game against the Superbowl Champs (Steelers)

It is a business... you are not going to sit a guy(s) you are paying Millions of $$$ on the sideline even if a guy may be more productive.. So let's keep it real.

As far as a comparison against Boldin... I think Kevin should be closer to him with all the intangibles he brings to the field...

People please stop making this out to be a politcal thing. Your just wrong. He didnt play in Cin because he wasnt good enought. 2003 when Walter was drafted TJ wasnt a starter..in fact he didnt play the whole 2003. Walter was on the bench behind Chad Johnson, Peter Warrick and other dudes who werent even good. He had every chance to play he just didnt earn it. As far as your theory that because someone is making money they cant lose there job went by the way side the following year as Peter Warrick the third pick overall making more money then chad and every other WR lost his job to the TJ who was drafted in the 7th round and making the NFL min. TJ went beat out ever WR on the team for his spot and Walter had the same chance and couldnt earn a spot. Every year he was there he got beat out by someone better then hiim Chris Henry, Kelly Washington. and other no name players who were fighting for a spot just like him.
Dont blame Walter not playing on politcs. I repeat TJ didnt even play Walter rookie year and TJ earned his starting spot...there where two 7th round picks fighting for a spot Walter just lost.
I agree with you..yes lets keep it real.
FYI teams love when a guy making low salaries are better then a overpaid vets saves them a ton of money..every year plenty of high priced stars get released becasue some one else is just as good as them and cost the team much less.

[KW_EMU_Fan_81]

People please stop making this out to be a politcal thing. Your just wrong. He didnt play in Cin because he wasnt good enought. 2003 when Walter was drafted TJ wasnt a starter..in fact he didnt play the whole 2003. Walter was on the bench behind Chad Johnson, Peter Warrick and other dudes who werent even good. He had every chance to play he just didnt earn it. As far as your theory that because someone is making money they cant lose there job went by the way side the following year as Peter Warrick the third pick overall making more money then chad and every other WR lost his job to the TJ who was drafted in the 7th round and making the NFL min. TJ went beat out ever WR on the team for his spot and Walter had the same chance and couldnt earn a spot. Every year he was there he got beat out by someone better then hiim Chris Henry, Kelly Washington. and other no name players who were fighting for a spot just like him.
Dont blame Walter not playing on politcs. I repeat TJ didnt even play Walter rookie year and TJ earned his starting spot...there where two 7th round picks fighting for a spot Walter just lost.
I agree with you..yes lets keep it real.
FYI teams love when a guy making low salaries are better then a overpaid vets saves them a ton of money..every year plenty of high priced stars get released becasue some one else is just as good as them and cost the team much less.


Are you living in a Fantasy world... To not think there is a business side to this is downright DUMB answer. You are right about two things... TJ did not play the year Kevin was signed to the practice squad and then moved to the starting roster as the season began, but there were two other WRs that they drafted in the 3rd round and gave them better money than kevin and also went through training camp and was already a plan for them.

The second thing is owners do like when a guy making less money shows promise.

Where you are WRONG is that the NFL is all about political (not political, but BUSINESS). I do not care what you say if I am paying a FRANCHISE player (Ocho Cinco) and take the chance and draft 3rd round WRs and paying them more then they are going to be on the field 1st and then see what happens.

But to say that it does not happen is foolish and not someone that follows and knows the game of football. I am keeping it real. there are many many good players that do not get an opportunity unless an injury happens, unfortunately and you hear players talk about it all the time... so get real.

[KW_EMU_Fan_81]

Yea it was a typo. Hard to live these things down on the forums. Always triple check your info then check it again. :)

I just enjoy messing giving a little dig here and there all in fun...

[TK_Gamer]

I think one of the main factors that effects Walter's stats is we have Daniels. If you notice, because of the focus on AJ, Daniels is open ALOT. I would say Walter loses about 3 receptions a game because Daniels is just that good at finding the soft spots. In the end it doesnt really matter because it makes our offense that much better.

[KW_EMU_Fan_81]

I think one of the main factors that effects Walter's stats is we have Daniels. If you notice, because of the focus on AJ, Daniels is open ALOT. I would say Walter loses about 3 receptions a game because Daniels is just that good at finding the soft spots. In the end it doesnt really matter because it makes our offense that much better.

I would agree with that. It will make the overall offense better and then if Daniels is finding that space near the linebackers and draw the safeties because of mismatches that will open bigger plays for AJ and Walter as they are bigger compared to the DBs back there making it harder to tackle them as well.

[taxman]

People please stop making this out to be a politcal thing. Your just wrong. He didnt play in Cin because he wasnt good enought. 2003 when Walter was drafted TJ wasnt a starter..in fact he didnt play the whole 2003. Walter was on the bench behind Chad Johnson, Peter Warrick and other dudes who werent even good. He had every chance to play he just didnt earn it. As far as your theory that because someone is making money they cant lose there job went by the way side the following year as Peter Warrick the third pick overall making more money then chad and every other WR lost his job to the TJ who was drafted in the 7th round and making the NFL min. TJ went beat out ever WR on the team for his spot and Walter had the same chance and couldnt earn a spot. Every year he was there he got beat out by someone better then hiim Chris Henry, Kelly Washington. and other no name players who were fighting for a spot just like him.
Dont blame Walter not playing on politcs. I repeat TJ didnt even play Walter rookie year and TJ earned his starting spot...there where two 7th round picks fighting for a spot Walter just lost.
I agree with you..yes lets keep it real.
FYI teams love when a guy making low salaries are better then a overpaid vets saves them a ton of money..every year plenty of high priced stars get released becasue some one else is just as good as them and cost the team much less.

When Kevin Walter was in Cincinnati, he indeed beat out Kelly Washington, and Chris Henry was in so much trouble, we never knew if he was going to play or not.

For Walter to be right behind Chad Johnson, he had to beat out various players. go back and see for yourselfs.

[taxman]

Give it up..no one is buying Walter is better then Boldin argument. Walter is good and underrated..but Boldin is one of the best in the game. He didnt play on the Bengals because he wasnt better then Chad,or TJ.

Boldin, one of the best in the game? What have you been drinking?

[taxman]

The only thing the stats really show is that Walter doesn't get the ball thrown at him as much as Boldin but if he did he would hold on to it better and get more yards maybe even TDs.

But whatever, I still say Walter is awesome and is going to kick *** this year!

I agree, throw Kevin as many balls that Boldin gets and I also can assure you that Kevin will come out on top. He just has that good hands coordination.