Trade for Vince Wilfork

[SlatonBrigade]

Now before I get flamed, here me out: It is obvious that we are going to have a problem stopping the run this season with Bustokoye and Okam/Robinson in the middle. Let's trade for a NAME defensive tackle who can still play. Daniels has definite trade value and I think Casey can take his place if not even improve the position. By trading Daniels, we avoid paying him and are able to sign Dunta and Ryans to the contracts that they want. We also would get Bustokoye's salary off the books by doing this and be able to pay the new DT an appropriate salary. I would even throw in a draft pick (2nd or 3rd) to sweeten the pot. The Key is that we must get a SOLID starting DT in the deal. If we can't get this done, I think our defense is going to look like swiss cheese all season long.

[houstonsportsfan09]

Now before I get flamed, here me out: It is obvious that we are going to have a problem stopping the run this season with Bustokoye and Okam/Robinson in the middle. Let's trade for a NAME defensive tackle who can still play. Daniels has definite trade value and I think Casey can take his place if not even improve the position. By trading Daniels, we avoid paying him and are able to sign Dunta and Ryans to the contracts that they want. We also would get Bustokoye's salary off the books by doing this and be able to pay the new DT an appropriate salary. I would even throw in a draft pick (2nd or 3rd) to sweeten the pot. The Key is that we must get a SOLID starting DT in the deal. If we can't get this done, I think our defense is going to look like swiss cheese all season long.

I'm not going to flame you but many problems with this scenario IMO. Casey isnt even seeing many looks at TE right now, as it looks like he'll be getting many looks and plays at LS and FB. And I'm not saying the current depth chart on the site now is updated, but hes down on the DC behind OD,Dreessen and Hill. Also, their is no guarentee Dunta resigns. Many [fans] think he doesnt want to be here any more but not that it matters what us fans think. And last of all, I dont know if you know or not, but Wilfork is not happy with his contract, so if you were to aquire him, and yes I see you were just giving an example, but if you were to aquire Wilfork, he's looking for a new contract.

[SlatonBrigade]

No more projects or 3rd rate free agents ala Robaire Smith/Anthony Weaver/Antonio Smith

[Yosarian]

why trade anyone when there is a proven DT on the free agent list right now. Just go sign him! Dewayne Robertson.

I havent checked lately but he was available. That's my idea.

I won't flame you, although i should.

[SlatonBrigade]

I'm not going to flame you but many problems with this scenario IMO. Casey isnt even seeing many looks at TE right now, as it looks like he'll be getting many looks and plays at LS and FB. And I'm not saying the current depth chart on the site now is updated, but hes down on the DC behind OD,Dreessen and Hill. Also, their is no guarentee Dunta resigns. Many [fans] think he doesnt want to be here any more but not that it matters what us fans think. And last of all, I dont know if you know or not, but Wilfork is not happy with his contract, so if you were to aquire him, and yes I see you were just giving an example, but if you were to aquire Wilfork, he's looking for a new contract.

I hear you, but I believe Casey is only down on the deph chart becuase he is a rookie. Daniels started as a rookie out of necessity, and heck, no one thought Steve Slaton could start last season either. I did also know about Wilfork....trade for him this season and sign him to a long term deal. I am VERY worried about us being able to stop the run this season

[SlatonBrigade]

why trade anyone when there is a proven DT on the free agent list right now. Just go sign him! Dewayne Robertson.

I havent checked lately but he was available. That's my idea.

I won't flame you, although i should.

I would also be ok with that, but if no one has signed him yet, there must be something we don't know

[tgriff00]

Now before I get flamed, here me out: It is obvious that we are going to have a problem stopping the run this season with Bustokoye and Okam/Robinson in the middle. Let's trade for a NAME defensive tackle who can still play. Daniels has definite trade value and I think Casey can take his place if not even improve the position. By trading Daniels, we avoid paying him and are able to sign Dunta and Ryans to the contracts that they want. We also would get Bustokoye's salary off the books by doing this and be able to pay the new DT an appropriate salary. I would even throw in a draft pick (2nd or 3rd) to sweeten the pot. The Key is that we must get a SOLID starting DT in the deal. If we can't get this done, I think our defense is going to look like swiss cheese all season long.

bahahahaha!!

[blake1776]

There is logic in this, in the very near future, this season or the next we are going to have to decide which TE to keep, Casey or Daniels, and we are going to keep Casey.

Daniels will either be traded or let go in FA, it would be better if we could get something out of it.

I dunno if Okoye has any value, I don't think he does. Not anything worth a first rounder. We'd be better off hoping he pans out.

But OD is a proven commodity, there are a lot of teams that need a TE, a lot where he could be the focal point.

[SlatonBrigade]

There is logic in this, in the very near future, this season or the next we are going to have to decide which TE to keep, Casey or Daniels, and we are going to keep Casey.

Daniels will either be traded or let go in FA, it would be better if we could get something out of it.

I dunno if Okoye has any value, I don't think he does. Not anything worth a first rounder. We'd be better off hoping he pans out.

But OD is a proven commodity, there are a lot of teams that need a TE, a lot where he could be the focal point.

Thanks....that is a big part my reasoning. I am also just so sick of DT "projects" and 3rd rate free agents ala Robaire Smith/Anthony Weaver/Antonio Smith

[revan]

Our DLine needs to get analized!!!! buahahaaa

[protoTexans]

Sorry, but I am not going to waste many keystrokes on this Thread.... Is BS...

[SlatonBrigade]

Sorry, but I am not going to waste many keystrokes on this Thread.... Is BS...


You just did....not a member of MENSA are ya?

[protoTexans]

You just did....not a member of MENSA are ya?

as I said, Not MANY...

[TheGoaT]

man, where to begin.

1. You dont write players off because you didnt like week 2 of the freakin preseason.
2. You dont trade a pro bowler, a former 1st round pick, and another draft pick for 1 guy
3. You dont trade away a pro bowler and decide an unproven rookie is going to take his place just because you like his local media hype.
4. You arent going to be able to "sign dunta to the contract he wants" because the contract he wants is a. with another team, and b. higher than hes worth.
5. Wilfork wants a big payday, we are going to have trouble keeping all our talent people under cap already.
6. Wilfork plays in a 3-4, which doesnt mean he can instantly translate into our 4-3.
7. Houston fans are fickle and emo and want to fire half the team after any loss.

[rocknrandy]

there are no DT's worth a young Amobi Okoye and are Pro Bowl TE Owen Daniels.

1. Albert Hanyeworth - Redskins will not trade him. So thats not going to happen

2. Tommie Harris - This is are best chance. He is young and the bears possibly would do it to give Culter another weapon, but they have Greg Olsen. But Harris is injury prone.

3. Kevin Williams - I like Williams too, but he is on he old side, he is a stud but he also plays along side pat williams and jared allen which help him alot.

4. Richard Seymore - He is a DT/DE he mite not transition to a 4-3 DT but the dude is versital and a ball player. Still would not make the trade

5. Jammal Williams - the dude is prolly top 3 but he is old. not worth it. But id make this trade if they threw in shawne merriman in the deal heheh wishful thinking :)

then you got a few others like ty warren, vince wilfork, marcus stroud, john henderson, kris jenkins.

But outside wilfork, who is a 3-4 DT. All ofthe good DT's in the league are old!

[Yosarian]

I would also be ok with that, but if no one has signed him yet, there must be something we don't know

There is...he is expensive!

[pure_respect]

http://www.battleredblog.com/2009/8/27/1004503/amobi-okoye-criticism-is-getting

I tend to agree with the points this guy makes regarding Okoye. I'd also like to point out that for the first three years of his career, one could argue that Haynesworth was a bust as well (managing only 99 total tackles and 4.5 sacks.)

[TheGoaT]

http://www.battleredblog.com/2009/8/27/1004503/amobi-okoye-criticism-is-getting

I tend to agree with the points this guy makes regarding Okoye. I'd also like to point out that for the first three years of his career, one could argue that Haynesworth was a bust as well (managing only 99 total tackles and 4.5 sacks.)

ya so we should totally give up on our 22 year old first round draft pick, and throw in a pro bowl TE to boot.

[SlatonBrigade]

man, where to begin.

1. You dont write players off because you didnt like week 2 of the freakin preseason. - Its been two years and two preseason games
2. You dont trade a pro bowler, a former 1st round pick, and another draft pick for 1 guy - depends on the guy
3. You dont trade away a pro bowler and decide an unproven rookie is going to take his place just because you like his local media hype. - have you seen him play?
4. You arent going to be able to "sign dunta to the contract he wants" because the contract he wants is a. with another team, and b. higher than hes worth. Says who? I'm not sure I beleive this
5. Wilfork wants a big payday, we are going to have trouble keeping all our talent people under cap already. Not if we get rid of Daniels and Okoye
6. Wilfork plays in a 3-4, which doesnt mean he can instantly translate into our 4-3. You could be right on this one
7. Houston fans are fickle and emo and want to fire half the team after any loss.
Really? People that have watched a non winning club for 8 seasons and keep rooting for them are fickle?

[SlatonBrigade]

http://www.battleredblog.com/2009/8/27/1004503/amobi-okoye-criticism-is-getting

I tend to agree with the points this guy makes regarding Okoye. I'd also like to point out that for the first three years of his career, one could argue that Haynesworth was a bust as well (managing only 99 total tackles and 4.5 sacks.)

I hope he is right, but watching him get blown off of the ball 5 yards back from the line of scrimmage really gets old

[houstonsportsfan09]

AO is fighting for a starting spot. He better get in gear in the next game (or 2 if he plays in the last one) if he wants to be starting.

[pure_respect]

ya so we should totally give up on our 22 year old first round draft pick, and throw in a pro bowl TE to boot.

:confused:

I was agreeing with the linked article, not the OP.

[SuperstarII]

I tell you people from the beginning that Okoye don't want to play here. It shows it on game day. i don't care where his family went to school. he should know the defense by now.

[Wolfscar]

Now before I get flamed, here me out: It is obvious that we are going to have a problem stopping the run this season with Bustokoye and Okam/Robinson in the middle. Let's trade for a NAME defensive tackle who can still play. Daniels has definite trade value and I think Casey can take his place if not even improve the position. By trading Daniels, we avoid paying him and are able to sign Dunta and Ryans to the contracts that they want. We also would get Bustokoye's salary off the books by doing this and be able to pay the new DT an appropriate salary. I would even throw in a draft pick (2nd or 3rd) to sweeten the pot. The Key is that we must get a SOLID starting DT in the deal. If we can't get this done, I think our defense is going to look like swiss cheese all season long.

Wow.

[TheGoaT]

:confused:

I was agreeing with the linked article, not the OP.

it was sarcasm.

[TheLBCoach]

**** it. Let's trade Travis Johnson for some unused farmland, build a mansion, and have a party!

[Bluedog68]

This thread makes my head hurt. DTs usually take a while to really reach top form. Okoye is 22 and we're calling him a bust?:confused:

[South Texan]

Amobe is barely old enough to be called a rookie, much less a vet. Give him another year before we think about dumping him.

Also, I don't see a competition between Owen and Casey, since Casey is so valuable as an all around player and well as a potential standout on special teams. No reason we can't keep them both.

As far as dumping OD since we have Casey, OD is proven, so we would be trading a known proven for a potential proven that may or may not florish in our system.

And I can speell just grate coach, so no reason to analize my post... or me for that matter!!!

[blake1776]

Shaun Rogers.

Browns need a TE and Rogers would be coming home, we keep Okoye.

Yeah, he's already 30, but still, he can play for another 6-7 years at least.

[dbruder44]

Shaun Rogers.

Browns need a TE and Rogers would be coming home, we keep Okoye.

Yeah, he's already 30, but still, he can play for another 6-7 years at least.

I doubt Shaun Rogers has more than 2-3 productive years left

[A-B]

man, where to begin.

1. You dont write players off because you didnt like week 2 of the freakin preseason.
2. You dont trade a pro bowler, a former 1st round pick, and another draft pick for 1 guy
3. You dont trade away a pro bowler and decide an unproven rookie is going to take his place just because you like his local media hype.
4. You arent going to be able to "sign dunta to the contract he wants" because the contract he wants is a. with another team, and b. higher than hes worth.
5. Wilfork wants a big payday, we are going to have trouble keeping all our talent people under cap already.
6. Wilfork plays in a 3-4, which doesnt mean he can instantly translate into our 4-3.
7. Houston fans are fickle and emo and want to fire half the team after any loss.

this.

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[Number 34]

this.

The end. This thread was closed several pages ago.

qft

[ShowMeTexan]

Goat is right. You cannot panic after loss to Saints in a preseason game.

[ubecool454]

No more projects or 3rd rate free agents ala Robaire Smith/Anthony Weaver/Antonio Smith

I agree, no more 3rd rate free agents but Vince Wilfork is hardly a 3rd rate free agent and the jury is out on Antonio Smith....give da man a chance.

[SlatonBrigade]

I know they played better after the first drive when they were were run blitzing but does anyone want to revisit this idea. We have a SERIOUS problem at DT (run wise). Oh Yeah, and for the Love of GOD......PAY DEMECO!

[SlatonBrigade]

At least Duane Brown looks good.....I think he is the real deal. We get a DT who can plug the middle, and a QB who can stay healthy and we are SB contenders (no sarcasm). I will root for this team as always but if you think we are winning more than 9 games, you are smoking crack. In fact, we may only win six, but we could be SB contenders NEXT SEASON. We need 2 players (assuming we keep Dunta and Demeco)

[SlatonBrigade]

BTW - Adibi looks good too. I am telling you guys, we are two players away but our DT's are so bad they are going to kill us this season

[SlatonBrigade]

Start Barwin and move Smith inside. Hmmmm......

[raginbull]

First of all we are in our first season with a revamped defensive coaching staff, there is going to be an adjustment period involved. We do not sign high dollar free agents because we prefer to bring in younger guys an develope them. Thats the smart way, its how Superbowls were won. The Steelers Patriots Colts Chargers and Ravens all follow this formula. Secondly Amobi has yet to peak and reach his potential. Just some food for thought, but imagine the offensive potency if we hold on to Daniels and develope Casey. We will have a great two tightend tandem that rivals any the Colts have ever had on the field and one more weapon for Schaub. The problem with dewayne Robertson is the pricetag doesnt match the play. He has been an underachiever and doesnt play to his potential. Deljuan and Frank are both young players, this is their first shot at the starting role, of course they will struggle initially! This is just preseason and Bush is experimenting with some of the things he can do defensivly. Its not going to be perfect. It takes time for the players to become comfortable and confident in Franks D.

[Sprtsfanatic]

I thought we killed this thread
???
No body is getting traded for any body, why are we even discussing this? Just because it was discussed here it doesn't mean that the front office is listening.

actually someone suggested we trade TJ buy some land and throw a party....close prediction as he was traded...just hope we can turn that 5th or 6th round pick and use it on a gem...we're gonna need a replacement. Hopefully Okam/Robinson duo can pikc up their play, hold their own, and that rotation can hold up for the entire season.

[twinsfan]

heh heh.. I don't think RS reads the boards but I am sure he has taken a call or two about who is available, or who there is interest in. I could see him move a player, don't know about OD or Okoye, but if the price is right, he does have to listen to everything!

[crunchyfrogs]

There's no reason to go into panic mode right now. I'm not in favor of trading off our core players, especially someone of Daniels' caliber. After the final cut to the 53 man roster, there'll be plenty of prospects out there that could possibly fill our need for a run-stopping DT imo.

[The Anti-Titan]

Vince Wilfork , we need a legitimate Dt , Vince is a well proven monster, he is a community guy, does alot of charity, perfect for Houston basically not the Tank Johnson type the Texans stray away from. On top of that he is un happy with New England. Ideal trade Okoye, 6th Round pick from San Diego(Travis Johnson trade), and the Texans 2010 6th round pick.

[twinsfan]

not gonna happen.....

[rocknrandy]

HE PLAYS IN A 3-4, but he is a great character guy.

I loved him in college. He is a nose tackle being 6'2 325lbs.

So he is kind of simular to Frank Okam

I would make the trade though. but the pats are not stupid and Okoye would prolly be a DE in the pats 3-4 Defense.

Wilfork has been the one of if not the best most consistant player on there Dline.

http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=playerbio&bio=28436

[VBot]

The right Vince for Houston is Vince Lombardi as in The Vince Lombardi Trophy. For me, no other Vince will do.

[TheLBCoach]

The right Vince for Houston is Vince Lombardi as in The Vince Lombardi Trophy. For me, no other Vince will do.

That's very loyal of you, and I'm with you. But we might have to wait a few more years before we see the Super Bowl. :mad:

[VBot]

That's very loyal of you, and I'm with you. But we might have to wait a few more years before we see the Super Bowl. :mad:

I'm hoping in the next two or three. The offense is stacked with the tools we need. Similar to the Cowboys of the nineties, granted we don't quite have an O line like they did. Minnesota needs to make a deal like they did for Herschel Walker. The defense is catching up. Linebackers are stacked, Ends, but still need corners, safeties, tackles.

[TheGoaT]

God forbid you actually checked for the OTHER Wilfork thread before hitting the new thread button.

[TheLBCoach]

I'm hoping in the next two or three. The offense is stacked with the tools we need. Similar to the Cowboys of the nineties, granted we don't quite have an O line like they did. Minnesota needs to make a deal like they did for Herschel Walker. The defense is catching up. Linebackers are stacked, Ends, but still need corners, safeties, tackles.

Talent's no longer the issue for us. It's a sheer lack of will. As I said in another thread, we don't have 53 guys that play hard week in and week out. It must be the water in Houston. I don't know. It's really sad to say, but it's true...our team DOESN'T PLAY HARD.

^That is the single worst insult you can give a coach, that his team doesn't play hard. But it is SO true about the Texans.

[The Anti-Titan]

Have any Texans cuts been posted.. if so where?.. Any predictions are suprises? I hope Glenn Martinez makes it he reminds me of Vince Papale