Big question mark at Texans secondary.

[MACwired]

Texan's secondary might have the new talents but lacks leadership. In fact, they have not improved from the previous years. Watching them play against Saints, they look like one of the worst in the league. This is why we need Dunta Robinson's leadership at secondary. He knows how to lead by setting good examples; he plays hard, smart and with determination to succeed. At least, the secondary will have some fire power with him... They will fall apart without him. No leader? It is a NO GO!!! Because they will have no spirit, no glory and eventually no success. Over all, I think he is at 100% physically well now. On the mental aspect, the ownership and management owes him a great deal of reconsideration. "HUGE MISTAKE"!. They cannot franchise one of the best corner in the league. As we know, he was not 100% coming back from a major injury. But still, he had better season then any secondary on this team.
What the Texans need now is the winning spirit. It has been built from Andre Johnson on offense and Dunta Robinson on defense. Please don't mess with great chemistry.

[TheLBCoach]

Our entire defense looks worse than last year's.

I'm waiting for Dunta's return. It will all change then. He demands respect from everyone on this football team. HE is the leader of the defense.

[bckey]

Dunta can stay where ever he is.

[jshabang]

you can be pissed at this guy........think hes selfish, spoiled, greedy, and that he played this situation all wrong with this franchise tag stuff all you want........

hell even I am not at all a fan of him not manning up and proving his worth post injury to get your payday......but it would be foolish to say he doenst mean alot to this defense as a whole and i am not just talkin about in the secondary.......he impacts this defense with his leadership and attitude no doubt about that....


this d played different the second dunta stepped back on the field last season.....he may have been a little rusty but he dam sure fired up this defense with his mere presence....even moreso than Mario and Demeco becuz those guys are just not rah rah, vocal type of players.....they lead by example.......dunta is much more vocal veteran on this team that every single guy on the defensive side respects so he does wonders with his presence in the locker room and on the field......

dont think it to be true?????....just watch when he shows and gets in shape with this new system, how much heart and fire this defense will play with.....none of that lawnmower push all over the field stuff with dunta here......the way he tackles and plays always fires up this D......

[TheLBCoach]

Yes, he could've acted a little more professional towards things...but when he steps on that field it's on. We'll be glad to have him back.

When he starts making plays out there on Sundays, you guys will be the first ones singing his praises.

[TheGoaT]

hey look ma, another Dunta thread!

[Texan Heat]

Anybody order a pizza?!?

[Bluehen Texan]

Welcome MACwired. GO TEXANS!!! Yes, they need Dunta but they can franchise anybody they want. Whether it makes sense or not.

[Yosarian]

This is why we need Dunta Robinson's leadership at secondary. No leader? It is a NO GO!!! .


From my life experience, a good leader is in the front.....not ,no where to be found. Dunta has no grip on this team anymore. He is not the defensive leader. He is a ghost without a cause.

[zanth91]

Reeves will return soon. That should solve half the problem at CB.

[Texan Heat]

I just hope he's learned how to turn around and look at the ball sometimes.

You didn't hear? They installed rear view mirrors on his helmet :cool:

[A-B]

This just in...Dunta is holding out and everybody is mad!:rolleyes:

[Wolfscar]

From my life experience, a good leader is in the front.....not ,no where to be found. Dunta has no grip on this team anymore. He is not the defensive leader. He is a ghost without a cause.

I'm with you on this one, Yosarian - you can't hold your team to ransom. Not happy with the franchise tag? Want a league leading contract? Get off your @$$ and prove that you're worth it. End of story.

He's not one of the best corners in the league - or at least he'd never proven himself to be so thus far - he's just the best corner on our team. That's not that hard, unfortunately. Yes, the FO has maybe handled things a little less sensitively than they could have, but Dunta's dropped hugely in my estimation in the way he's handled his side of things.

He's not the leader on Defense. Not any more. Demeco and Mario are the leaders on Defense. Maybe we do lack a leader in our secondary but it's up to the other guys to step up and fill that role. I hope that Dunta comes back ready to play, but I'm always going to think less of the guy now, and I suspect that goes for a lot of his team-mates too, regardless of what they say about it all being part of the game. He's not there, he's leaving them short when they need him. That's going to leave a scar.

[South Texan]

The more I read on the Dunta situation the more I think he wants to be in Atlanta. He is one of the better corners in the NFL, and I would hate to just flat out lose him next year. Hopefully, they can work out a contract with him that is to Atlanta's liking, and then we trade him next year for a couple of Atlanta's draft picks, especially a third rounder since Rick Smith does so well with those.

As far as leadership, DeMeco has pretty much assumed that role, Mario's standard of play is what every defensive player is trying to achieve, and Molden seems to be picking up the leadership in the secondary.

Bottom line, I just don't see Dunta being here next year.

[wildroot]

Welcome MACwired. GO TEXANS!!! Yes, they need Dunta but they can franchise anybody they want. Whether it makes sense or not.

I wish the Union would step in and set these players straight when they cry about being franchised. As it's in the collective bargaining agreement that all the players signed off on, it would be nice to see the Union say something on the team's behalf for a change.

never gonna happen but....

[TheGoaT]

like most unions, they are worthless and only interested in inflating salaries and benefits no matter if they are justified or not, see the auto industry.

[tgriff00]

The more I read on the Dunta situation the more I think he wants to be in Atlanta. He is one of the better corners in the NFL, and I would hate to just flat out lose him next year. Hopefully, they can work out a contract with him that is to Atlanta's liking, and then we trade him next year for a couple of Atlanta's draft picks, especially a third rounder since Rick Smith does so well with those.

As far as leadership, DeMeco has pretty much assumed that role, Mario's standard of play is what every defensive player is trying to achieve, and Molden seems to be picking up the leadership in the secondary.

Bottom line, I just don't see Dunta being here next year.

agreed!! I hope Molden gets to see some playing time this week.

[protoTexans]

agreed!! I hope Molden gets to see some playing time this week.


Set to go, he will get some time this week, but Kubiak was not sure for how long... Wait n see...

[TheLBCoach]

Set to go, he will get some time this week, but Kubiak was not sure for how long... Wait n see...

I hear Cushing hasn't been ruled out for Monday's game. Any updates?

[protoTexans]

I hear Cushing hasn't been ruled out for Monday's game. Any updates?

He may get in there, but more likely on next Friday vs T Bay... Kubes did not want to push him for this game, but that you cannot tell just yet.... I know BC is chomping at the bit to hit someone... lol...

[TheLBCoach]

He may get in there, but more likely on next Friday vs T Bay... Kubes did not want to push him for this game, but that you cannot tell just yet.... I know BC is chomping at the bit to hit someone... lol...

Yeah, I'd wait until TB to play him. Last thing we need is another LB to go down for a long stretch...or the season.

[jshabang]

actually he cushed practiced full out with the team this morning per nick scursfield

[mmtex63]

like most unions, they are worthless and only interested in inflating salaries and benefits no matter if they are justified or not, see the auto industry.

if you knew what unions were about and what they;ve done for our great country you probably would'nt say their worthless;but then again you might I'M UNION AND I'M FAR FROM WORTHLESS.

[TheGoaT]

if you knew what unions were about and what they;ve done for our great country you probably would'nt say their worthless;but then again you might I'M UNION AND I'M FAR FROM WORTHLESS.

hey guess what, Im in a union. They are full of corruption and politicians.

[MACwired]

Welcome MACwired. GO TEXANS!!! Yes, they need Dunta but they can franchise anybody they want. Whether it makes sense or not.

Yes, the man(owner and management) have the power to do what ever they want. But it is very rare to find such a great talented football player with tenacity and will to win in this league. "That is Dunta Robinson." On defense, there is no one sure tackles like Dunta. Watching Mario, Demeco and others missed so many tackles. Especially, cornerback Bennett is worst tackler of them all. He has a large wing span but cannot wrap the player. It gets frustrating, watching him miss too many tackles.

[D Frank]

man, people keep bashing our secondary and we havent even been tested yet.... i bet both of our rokkies are better than bennett

[MACwired]

From my life experience, a good leader is in the front.....not ,no where to be found. Dunta has no grip on this team anymore. He is not the defensive leader. He is a ghost without a cause.

Who gave him that option? It is my way or the high way from the man(owner and the management). Ultimately, the front office made the bone headed leadership decision. Why do you think Dunta is holding out. Because they don't give a **** after he gave great seasons here. I believe he has many more playing years left in him. The way he played better then any secondary after returnning from his MAJOR injury on this team proves that to be so.

[D Frank]

Who gave him that option? It is my way or the high way from the man(owner and the management). Ultimately, the front office made the bone headed leadership decision. Why do you think Dunta is holding out. Because they don't give a **** after he gave great seasons here. I believe he has many more playing years left in him. The way he played better then any secondary after returnning from his MAJOR injury on this team proves that to be so.

thats all good and stuff but im kinda glad he didnt sign for that 20 sumthin mill being that he is only a good # 2 cb

[MACwired]

I'm with you on this one, Yosarian - you can't hold your team to ransom. Not happy with the franchise tag? Want a league leading contract? Get off your @$$ and prove that you're worth it. End of story.

He's not one of the best corners in the league - or at least he'd never proven himself to be so thus far - he's just the best corner on our team. That's not that hard, unfortunately. Yes, the FO has maybe handled things a little less sensitively than they could have, but Dunta's dropped hugely in my estimation in the way he's handled his side of things.

He's not the leader on Defense. Not any more. Demeco and Mario are the leaders on Defense. Maybe we do lack a leader in our secondary but it's up to the other guys to step up and fill that role. I hope that Dunta comes back ready to play, but I'm always going to think less of the guy now, and I suspect that goes for a lot of his team-mates too, regardless of what they say about it all being part of the game. He's not there, he's leaving them short when they need him. That's going to leave a scar.

Hello? Do you live in Dallas? Dunta is one of the best corners that every offense on this league is trying to avoid passing in his vicinity. He had solid years here, the numbers proves it and he plays with such a tenacity. Demeco and Mario do not even come close to be the true leaders on the defense as Dunta. He is a special player that does not come around often. He sure tackles and tenaciously destroys any offenders big or small. Importantly, he can lead vocally, intellectually and physically (how he plays the game) which Demeco and Mario lacks. He is the best talented athlete on our defense. That is why, Texans need him. We have an identity with him. With out him, we are just another want a be playoff team. We are sure to miss his presence on our defense. Please, bring back the FIRE!!! It sure can lift our spirit up a little more and see how good the team can be with him and additional newcomers.

[blake1776]

lol @ Dunta spending his free time posting on the team's message board.

[TheLBCoach]

I think Dunta posting on this board is great. He's one of my favorite players to watch. All of you complain that Dunta "isn't a true leader, or else he wouldn't be dragging the Texans through all this." All he's doing is asking Rick Smith NOT to franchise him AGAIN this season. That's not too much to ask. Rick is doing what he thinks is best for the organization, and Dunta is doing what he thinks is best for himself. Nothing wrong with that. This is a business.

When he's back making plays...knocking fools on their a@@es every Sunday, you guys will LOVE to see him back.

[TheGoaT]

Who gave him that option? It is my way or the high way from the man(owner and the management). Ultimately, the front office made the bone headed leadership decision. Why do you think Dunta is holding out. Because they don't give a **** after he gave great seasons here. I believe he has many more playing years left in him. The way he played better then any secondary after returnning from his MAJOR injury on this team proves that to be so.

wow you are either blind or just dumb. Hes holding out because he wants to play for another team and thinks hes worth more than top 3 money. Not because 'da man' doesnt want to pay him. Also you must have been watching tapes from 2006, because when Dunta came back last year, he wasnt even the best corner on the team.

[Yosarian]

Originally Posted by MACwired http://boards.houstontexans.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?p=212774#post212774)
This is why we need Dunta Robinson's leadership at secondary. No leader? It is a NO GO!!! .
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From my life experience, a good leader is in the front.....not ,no where to be found. Dunta has no grip on this team anymore. He is not the defensive leader. He is a ghost without a cause. "posted by me"
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Then you wrote this......

Who gave him that option? It is my way or the high way from the man(owner and the management). Ultimately, the front office made the bone headed leadership decision. Why do you think Dunta is holding out. Because they don't give a **** after he gave great seasons here. I believe he has many more playing years left in him. The way he played better then any secondary after returnning from his MAJOR injury on this team proves that to be so.
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He made his own choices.It's obvious you are uninformed about what the Texans offered him.

Dunta is holding out because he no longer wants to be a part of this team. And he is being quite successful at it so far this season. The fact that Dunta "WAS" good does not mean he is good now. And he did not play better than anyone on our team when he came back. The stats prove that. The texans FO offered him mor ethan his current value is by a large margin and he refused to be at camp and join the team.
So you have no leg to stand on your arguements. All your statements are incorrect. You can be a fan of Dunta if you want but until this thing is over i won't stand behind him, I'll be standing behind the guys ON our team who are working hard to bring us a championship every day and not resideing in another state waiting around for the Texans FO to cave into demands that are unrealistic.

[TheGoaT]

All he's doing is asking Rick Smith NOT to franchise him AGAIN this season. That's not too much to ask.


ya so I guess a guy who is basically saying to the team, "ya I know you guys invested a 1st round pick on me, and I know you supported me while I was out for nearly a year with injury, and I know you offered me top 3 pay and all, but I think you should agree not to franchise me next year so that I can walk away to another team and leave you uncompensated for your investment."

ya thats not too much to ask for at all, completely fair deal. :rolleyes:

Dunta doing what he thinks is right for Dunta is fine and dandy. Im a fan of the Texans, not Dunta Robinson. So if him doing what is best for himself is bad for the team, he can suck it as far as Im concerned.

[TheLBCoach]

ya so I guess a guy who is basically saying to the team, "ya I know you guys invested a 1st round pick on me, and I know you supported me while I was out for nearly a year with injury, and I know you offered me top 3 pay and all, but I think you should agree not to franchise me next year so that I can walk away to another team and leave you uncompensated for your investment."

ya thats not too much to ask for at all, completely fair deal. :rolleyes:

Dunta doing what he thinks is right for Dunta is fine and dandy. Im a fan of the Texans, not Dunta Robinson. So if him doing what is best for himself is bad for the team, he can suck it as far as Im concerned.

I'm glad you are cool with Dunta doing what he feels is best for him. This is a BUSINESS...he doesn't owe the Texans a d@#N thing.

I totally understand the 'leadership by example' concept. He's certainly failing in that respect, at least for now...

[MACwired]

wow you are either blind or just dumb. Hes holding out because he wants to play for another team and thinks hes worth more than top 3 money. Not because 'da man' doesnt want to pay him. Also you must have been watching tapes from 2006, because when Dunta came back last year, he wasnt even the best corner on the team.

Then, who is at better making a sure tackles? Who has the desire, tenacity and a will to win attitude? Rest of the secondary seems to play football to make living (nothing wrong with that, we all do). Dunta plays to win. I will take Dunta over all the secondary combine on this team. Remember, he was not 100% coming back from a major injury last season. With rest and more fine tuning this off season, he can get back to his old forms. He is a hard worker and he wants to contribute. I remember watching him getting back on the field from the injury and made him super exited. The energy was special, as if the light switch is turned back on. This is why FO made huge mistake. Do not gamble on sure thing and chemistry.

[Texan Naija]

Hello? Do you live in Dallas? Dunta is one of the best corners that every offense on this league is trying to avoid passing in his vicinity. He had solid years here, the numbers proves it and he plays with such a tenacity. Demeco and Mario do not even come close to be the true leaders on the defense as Dunta. He is a special player that does not come around often. He sure tackles and tenaciously destroys any offenders big or small. Importantly, he can lead vocally, intellectually and physically (how he plays the game) which Demeco and Mario lacks. He is the best talented athlete on our defense. That is why, Texans need him. We have an identity with him. With out him, we are just another want a be playoff team. We are sure to miss his presence on our defense. Please, bring back the FIRE!!! It sure can lift our spirit up a little more and see how good the team can be with him and additional newcomers.

You sure are a big fan of Mr. Robinson. While I will agree with you he is a talented and vocal individual, I think you overrate his worth.

No player on this team's defense is as talented at the position as Mario Williams, the man is physically gifted and has grown into his position in ways only Andre Johnson can compare.

As for leadership, he is vocal but other then helping out Bennett in his rookie year, I haven't heard/seen him leave much of a mark on our defense. On the field, the only defensive players I have seen giving instructions to other players were Wilson and/or Ryans. Maybe I am short changing him, but after skipping the off season, I doubt many will be listening to Robinson like they did last year.

[MACwired]

Originally Posted by MACwired http://boards.houstontexans.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?p=212774#post212774)
This is why we need Dunta Robinson's leadership at secondary. No leader? It is a NO GO!!! .
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Then i disputed he is a leader..see below....
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From my life experience, a good leader is in the front.....not ,no where to be found. Dunta has no grip on this team anymore. He is not the defensive leader. He is a ghost without a cause. "posted by me"
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Then you wrote this......

Who gave him that option? It is my way or the high way from the man(owner and the management). Ultimately, the front office made the bone headed leadership decision. Why do you think Dunta is holding out. Because they don't give a **** after he gave great seasons here. I believe he has many more playing years left in him. The way he played better then any secondary after returnning from his MAJOR injury on this team proves that to be so.
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He made his own choices.It's obvious you are uninformed about what the Texans offered him.

Dunta is holding out because he no longer wants to be a part of this team. And he is being quite successful at it so far this season. The fact that Dunta "WAS" good does not mean he is good now. And he did not play better than anyone on our team when he came back. The stats prove that. The texans FO offered him mor ethan his current value is by a large margin and he refused to be at camp and join the team.
So you have no leg to stand on your arguements. All your statements are incorrect. You can be a fan of Dunta if you want but until this thing is over i won't stand behind him, I'll be standing behind the guys ON our team who are working hard to bring us a championship every day and not resideing in another state waiting around for the Texans FO to cave into demands that are unrealistic.

How do you know that he is not good anymore? You are not himself. Only Dunta knows. I will take Dunta over all the secondary on our team combine to go to war. He is that much special. With rest and fine tuning this off season, he can be his old self again. For all the nay sayers about Dunta is more about money and wanting to play elsewhere, you are off the course. Dunta wants to play and ultimately "RETIRE" here. Can you honor that? He is a true Texan. Personally, I am fan of Dunta and over all a fan of Texans. For your CORRECTION!!! FO had the only power to make this decision. They made the franchise tag on him. It was not a Dunta's decision to be franchised. It is the nasty, cruel and cold business tactic from FO, "take it or leave it," attitude that concerns the rest of us as the work horse of this nation. Dunta has been made an super effort to make this better team and will do so for future. FO did not see that. That is what the disapoinments comes from. It is just not about business only. I ask the question of ethics for FO and the nay sayers.

[TheGoaT]

Then, who is at better making a sure tackles? Who has the desire, tenacity and a will to win attitude? Rest of the secondary seems to play football to make living (nothing wrong with that, we all do). Dunta plays to win. I will take Dunta over all the secondary combine on this team. Remember, he was not 100% coming back from a major injury last season. With rest and more fine tuning this off season, he can get back to his old forms. He is a hard worker and he wants to contribute. I remember watching him getting back on the field from the injury and made him super exited. The energy was special, as if the light switch is turned back on. This is why FO made huge mistake. Do not gamble on sure thing and chemistry.

First of all, Demeco is the leader of the defense. This is his unit. He decided to put his contract issues aside for the better of the team, Dunta decided to go hang out in Atlanta. Our secondary is not proven thats for sure, but Dunta was outplayed by Reeves last year, he missed tackles, he blew coverages. I dont want to hear excuses about him not being 100%. He sat out for a year, if you can't play at a top level, you cant cry for top money. Also what fine tuning this offseason? He hasnt had a single day in camp with a new defensive scheme. If he played to 'win' and wanted to 'contribute' as you put it, he would have signed his tender and got his *** to camp. He didnt, therefore the evidence supports that Dunta plays for money. If you think you should pay more money than something is worth that has shown a desire to leave you in the future, I hope you enjoy being in debt your whole life. You calling Dunta a 'sure thing' shows how little you actually know about the situation. Enjoy that skin flute.

[TheGoaT]

How do you know that he is not good anymore? You are not himself. Only Dunta knows. I will take Dunta over all the secondary on our team combine to go to war. He is that much special. With rest and fine tuning this off season, he can be his old self again. For all the nay sayers about Dunta is more about money and wanting to play elsewhere, you are off the course. Dunta wants to play and ultimately "RETIRE" here. Can you honor that? He is a true Texan. Personally, I am fan of Dunta and over all a fan of Texans. For your CORRECTION!!! FO had the only power to make this decision. They made the franchise tag on him. It was not a Dunta's decision to be franchised. It is the nasty, cruel and cold business tactic from FO, "take it or leave it," attitude that concerns the rest of us as the work horse of this nation. Dunta has been made an super effort to make this better team and will do so for future. FO did not see that. That is what the disapoinments comes from. It is just not about business only. I ask the question of ethics for FO and the nay sayers.

haha keep proving how dumb you are. Ya hes a 'true Texan' and wants to retire here. Thats why he doesn't want a 10 MILLION DOLLAR tag right? Right? I mean its not like he doesn't want the tag so he will have the power to walk away after the season. No way! Ya 'da man' take it or leave it with top 3 money, what an evil empire! hahaha god you are dumb. Hopefully when Dunta leaves after the season you follow him attached to his coat tails.

[MACwired]

haha keep proving how dumb you are. Ya hes a 'true Texan' and wants to retire here. Thats why he doesn't want a 10 MILLION DOLLAR tag right? Right? I mean its not like he doesn't want the tag so he will have the power to walk away after the season. No way! Ya 'da man' take it or leave it with top 3 money, what an evil empire! hahaha god you are dumb. Hopefully when Dunta leaves after the season you follow him attached to his coat tails.

First, you sound childish and has poor taste of grammar. This goes to show how little you know of the knowledge of football and good business. Allow me to school you a little bit. It is not a good ethical business move from FO. Another words, they gave him the ultimatum. Again, it is not about the money that Dunta wants. It is about trust and little bit of royalty. He loves fans and fans love him. It is how FO is handling the poor franchise move. It is clear that defense is lacking some fire and good spirit right now. We need him on this team to gel together when everyone is free of injuries and work on building a winning team. And please, stop your bulgar, negative and childish attacks. That is what losers do.

[MACwired]

First of all, Demeco is the leader of the defense. This is his unit. He decided to put his contract issues aside for the better of the team, Dunta decided to go hang out in Atlanta. Our secondary is not proven thats for sure, but Dunta was outplayed by Reeves last year, he missed tackles, he blew coverages. I dont want to hear excuses about him not being 100%. He sat out for a year, if you can't play at a top level, you cant cry for top money. Also what fine tuning this offseason? He hasnt had a single day in camp with a new defensive scheme. If he played to 'win' and wanted to 'contribute' as you put it, he would have signed his tender and got his *** to camp. He didnt, therefore the evidence supports that Dunta plays for money. If you think you should pay more money than something is worth that has shown a desire to leave you in the future, I hope you enjoy being in debt your whole life. You calling Dunta a 'sure thing' shows how little you actually know about the situation. Enjoy that skin flute.

Ultimately, it is not up to you or me to decide Dunta to play for Texans. Only, it is up to FO and Duntas decision. I just think that FO made poor decision. Many team in this league makes a poor franchise decision. Texan's FO happened to make one. Not too many people can see that. You have a point that is some what right. I want him to play right now as well. It is ugly and just not right for Dunta to come in play right now as nothing bad ever happened. Just imagine as you were in Dunta's shoe. He lives and breaths football with passion and dream to one day as super bowl champion. It was a difficult road to travel from his possibly a career ending injury and gave it a go. You have to give him his chance coming back and playing at 100% this year. It is too bad that FO made too early hasty decision. Not a true professionalism move. That is what bothers me.

[MACwired]

haha keep proving how dumb you are. Ya hes a 'true Texan' and wants to retire here. Thats why he doesn't want a 10 MILLION DOLLAR tag right? Right? I mean its not like he doesn't want the tag so he will have the power to walk away after the season. No way! Ya 'da man' take it or leave it with top 3 money, what an evil empire! hahaha god you are dumb. Hopefully when Dunta leaves after the season you follow him attached to his coat tails.

What a negative person you are. No class and optimism what so ever.

[Yosarian]

How do you know that he is not good anymore? You are not himself. Only Dunta knows. I will take Dunta over all the secondary on our team combine to go to war. He is that much special. With rest and fine tuning this off season, he can be his old self again. For all the nay sayers about Dunta is more about money and wanting to play elsewhere, you are off the course. Dunta wants to play and ultimately "RETIRE" here. Can you honor that? He is a true Texan. Personally, I am fan of Dunta and over all a fan of Texans. For your CORRECTION!!! FO had the only power to make this decision. They made the franchise tag on him. It was not a Dunta's decision to be franchised. It is the nasty, cruel and cold business tactic from FO, "take it or leave it," attitude that concerns the rest of us as the work horse of this nation. Dunta has been made an super effort to make this better team and will do so for future. FO did not see that. That is what the disapoinments comes from. It is just not about business only. I ask the question of ethics for FO and the nay sayers.
The franchise tag is not some evil incarnation that the Texans FO delevoped in a laboratory.

read this....
• If the player is offered a minimum of the average of the top five salaries of last season at his position, or 120 percent of the player’s previous year’s salary, he becomes a “non-exclusive” franchise player and can negotiate with other clubs. His old club can match a new club's offer, or receive two first-round draft choices if it decides not to match. The signing period for non-exclusive franchise players to sign with new clubs is March 3 through November 9 (10th week of the season).


Gee, i wonder why no other team was willing to top our offer to him? He can find another team according to the rules ,but no team is interested in him. If he was as good as you think, he would of had offers.

[houstonsportsfan09]

What's goin' on in here? Enough about Dunta, who's ordering the pizza already? In all seriousness, I'll have to go back and read through all these posts. Things seem to be a bit...getting heated shall we say? Not that that's bad because this is a message board overall, but I will say, about Dunta!? Really?! Yes I know our secondary is horrendous w/o Dunta. It's horrendous w/o Jacques Reeves also. (Did I just compare Dunta to Reeves!?:eek::p) We could use both of them. Bennett also stepping up his play would be nice. But in all honestly, Dunta is old news. Enough about him already, IMO. We know his situation for this season and well that's all that should matter right now. He'll be here by Week 1, starting? I dont know but I doubt it or at least hope not. Yes I know he's a good corner on this team and I would love for him to start and be here, but what kind of signal does that send to your team? "Well sure Owen and DeMeco and everyone else looking for a new deal, go ahead and hold out of camp next year, you can still come back and start. No worries!" And then you give into Dunta if you start him week 1 IMO. That tells him "Yeah they need me and want me but I dont necessarily need them." But we'll see. The opener will be here in no time.

[rush2112mn]

Texan's secondary might have the new talents but lacks leadership. In fact, they have not improved from the previous years. Watching them play against Saints, they look like one of the worst in the league. This is why we need Dunta Robinson's leadership at secondary. He knows how to lead by setting good examples; he plays hard, smart and with determination to succeed. At least, the secondary will have some fire power with him... They will fall apart without him. No leader? It is a NO GO!!! Because they will have no spirit, no glory and eventually no success. Over all, I think he is at 100% physically well now. On the mental aspect, the ownership and management owes him a great deal of reconsideration. "HUGE MISTAKE"!. They cannot franchise one of the best corner in the league. As we know, he was not 100% coming back from a major injury. But still, he had better season then any secondary on this team.
What the Texans need now is the winning spirit. It has been built from Andre Johnson on offense and Dunta Robinson on defense. Please don't mess with great chemistry.

How do you know he is 100 percent.....did you go watch him practice in Miami or wherever he is? Are you his doctor?

We don't know what kind of shape he is in. Only the coaching staff knows that when he gets here. He can say he is in shape.....maybe working out.....but game shape is another thing.

Aaron Glen...who was interviewed on the radio on 610 a while back said he would need a couple of weeks once he reports to be in "game shape". So, lets say he reports the week of the Jets game....I would bench him for until the Raider game. He will not ready until then....

As far as leadership goes......You lead by example. You can not be a leader if you are not here. Captain Demeco is our leader on defense. Duanta is not a leader. Out of sight ....out of Mind.

[TheGoaT]

First, you sound childish and has poor taste of grammar. This goes to show how little you know of the knowledge of football and good business. Allow me to school you a little bit. It is not a good ethical business move from FO. Another words, they gave him the ultimatum. Again, it is not about the money that Dunta wants. It is about trust and little bit of royalty. He loves fans and fans love him. It is how FO is handling the poor franchise move. It is clear that defense is lacking some fire and good spirit right now. We need him on this team to gel together when everyone is free of injuries and work on building a winning team. And please, stop your bulgar, negative and childish attacks. That is what losers do.

I 'has poor taste of grammar'? haha god I just picture Borat when reading your posts. Where is this 'schooling' you are supposed to give me? You proved absolutely nothing. The only ultimatum Dunta got was sign a 23mil contract, or sign a 10mil for this year tender. He chose neither. The Texans are not keeping Dunta out of camp, Dunta chose not to come to camp. Where is this proof that the fans love Dunta? I've seen more fans pissed off at him than anything else this offseason. Maybe if you would let go of his coat tails you could see reality. You claim the team is making a bad business move, are you too dense to realize if they didnt use the tag on him, he would have gone to free agency and walked away leaving the team uncompensated? NOT tagging him would be bad business. A record 14 teams used a tag this season. I guess half the league is just stupid by your logic right? Its called protecting your investment. Also I dont have to be nice to dumb people, if you dont like it, cry more.

VERY NICE
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[TheGoaT]

Ultimately, it is not up to you or me to decide Dunta to play for Texans. Only, it is up to FO and Duntas decision. I just think that FO made poor decision. Many team in this league makes a poor franchise decision. Texan's FO happened to make one. Not too many people can see that. You have a point that is some what right. I want him to play right now as well. It is ugly and just not right for Dunta to come in play right now as nothing bad ever happened. Just imagine as you were in Dunta's shoe. He lives and breaths football with passion and dream to one day as super bowl champion. It was a difficult road to travel from his possibly a career ending injury and gave it a go. You have to give him his chance coming back and playing at 100% this year. It is too bad that FO made too early hasty decision. Not a true professionalism move. That is what bothers me.

No, its up to Dunta, not the team. The deadline for a long term deal passed in July. Dunta can either man up and sign his tender and join the team, or he can sit at home and cry about it. He got a chance to come back and prove hes 100%, he chose to sit at home. I'd comment on the rest of your gribble, but your english is so bad Borat, Im not even sure what you are trying to say.

[Yosarian]

comment on the rest of your gribble, but your english is so bad Borat, Im not even sure what you are trying to say.


No way that english is his first language. I think he may be a foreigner. And so it is actually pretty good if it's his second language, i can make out what he is attempting to say. If english is his native tongue...well...the lbcoach can sort it out.

[TheGoaT]

hopefully he doesnt try to make sexy time with me.

[Yosarian]

hopefully he doesnt try to make sexy time with me.

Jesssssssssssss.
hopefully:D

[MACwired]

The franchise tag is not some evil incarnation that the Texans FO delevoped in a laboratory.

read this....
• If the player is offered a minimum of the average of the top five salaries of last season at his position, or 120 percent of the player’s previous year’s salary, he becomes a “non-exclusive” franchise player and can negotiate with other clubs. His old club can match a new club's offer, or receive two first-round draft choices if it decides not to match. The signing period for non-exclusive franchise players to sign with new clubs is March 3 through November 9 (10th week of the season).


Gee, i wonder why no other team was willing to top our offer to him? He can find another team according to the rules ,but no team is interested in him. If he was as good as you think, he would of had offers.

This is what the prime example of what have you done for me lately. You probably were happy when Dunta was great. And now, you are kicking him to the curb. Where is royalty in that? He is not a flashy or a troubled person and not a bad human being. Again, Let me allow to reiterate. Think more carefully here. It is not always about the money that you are focusing and emphasizing. I'm not questioning the morals of Dunta's poor decision not playing now. I'm questioning the ethics of FO. Hope you get my point here. Texans made the cold unprofessional move on Dunta. On paper, it seems that Texans FO made the right move. Ethically, it is a poor choice and should be shameful. Oh yah, professionals and people with no logic in ethics think that business has no shame. Business is business right? But the true professionals has the practical, sensible and wisdom quality to be great at having successful business. Texan FO lacks that quality. Act professional and talking professional is easy for the public eyes to perceive. That is what they do for living. I just have the different point of view and kin sense that there is "NO HEART" in them. Can you honor the true Texan fan's wish for Dunta to retire playing here. After all he gave us the identity of tenacious Texans defense and loved paying every minute of it here. Can you sense that? I believe he has many more playing years left in him. He is not far off of his greatness to playing what he is capable of. I hope they can resolve the issue and come to terms peacefully. If they don't resolve it, and it is a "Big IF." The Texans defence will be worst then the previous years without Dunta.
FO can sign thousand of cornerback from here and on. They will not fine another Dunta. Reply to me, after watching how defense play againt the VIkings. You will see.

[MACwired]

No, its up to Dunta, not the team. The deadline for a long term deal passed in July. Dunta can either man up and sign his tender and join the team, or he can sit at home and cry about it. He got a chance to come back and prove hes 100%, he chose to sit at home. I'd comment on the rest of your gribble, but your english is so bad Borat, Im not even sure what you are trying to say.

I have never mention about team is at fault. Do not drag our team into this. It is the front office's poor unethical choice that made Dunta's situation. It is up to FO to reconcile. May I suggest you to study more on grammar and etiquette to be more understandable and knowledgeable to carry on the thread.

[Texan Naija]

I'd almost make a crack about you secretly being Dunta but you misspelled loyalty in your previous post.

As for the front office, when it comes down to the numbers, we apparently couldn't pay Dunta what he wanted based off his performance last season but wanted to keep him around to prove his worth. It is within there right per the agreement all NFL players are apart of to be tagged. Did Smith tell Robinson, he wouldn't tag him, maybe but what GM would be dumb enough to say that and mean it? And why IS Dunta so pissed unless the negiotiations were a shame and he had another destination (possibily illegal communications) before he was tagged?

As for just giving in, look how that worked out in Denver, Cutler threw a fit and rather then the new coach and him working it out, they have a quick messy divorce that left the door open for Marshall to act like a fool trying to get traded. The title GM stands for General MANAGER, you can't bow down to your players and their agents or you hurt your position with the players and the firm behind the agents.

Frankly, Dunta showed promise, but this a Ron Artest situation IMO, he apparently hasn't done enough to the prove them they can invest the money HE wants in him and he probably wants out anyway.

[MACwired]

Are you Dunta's mom or something??

The front office has been more than fair, but you don't want to believe that.

It's obvious your mind is made up.

Dunta will show up ready to collect his paycheck when the time arrives or he is even more foolish than we think he is.

Team morale will suffer for a week or two then he'll be part of the team again until his tenure is up.

Then he can go play for Atlanta or whoever he wants to. Unless we franchise him again.

I'm guessing he'll show up soon enough to avoid not being paid.

As far as the team morale goes, it will not suffer from Dunta for him not being here. They are professionals and grown ups. Players play and managers manage. On the other hand, FO droped the ball, big time on Dunta that we are still suffering now. Do you see how defense is playing this preseason? It gets frustrating to see how secondaries are playing. Demeco had a great game against the Vikings. Many kudos for him. Secondaries however, is still having difficulty in pass coverage and tackling. Texans can have all the talent in the world but with no passion and desire to having winning attitude, they will keep suffering from having no tenacious energy as Dunta. Some one needs to step up and say enough is enough. Coaches need to make adjustments in a hurry. It is now on their hands to fix and adjust what FO's poor judgement on not getting Dunta on board early.

[outofhnd]

Mr.Commissioner;21359 Are you Dunta's mom or something??

The front office has been more than fair, but you don't want to believe that.
Depends on your opinion of fair. Obviously Dunta doesnt think so,

It's obvious your mind is made up.

Dunta will show up ready to collect his paycheck when the time arrives or he is even more foolish than we think he is.
He will probably be ready why risk more money playing in meaningless games See Clinton Portis in 2007 and 2008

Team morale will suffer for a week or two then he'll be part of the team again until his tenure is up.
Really do you have your finger on the pulse of the locker room? Do you think players resent him for doing what he feels is best? Lots of players do what he is doing. Many would do what he is doing if they were in his shoes you just choose to see it through what you read and hear. you have never worked a day in the NFL. WHo knows maybe there is an agreement he will work out on his own until the season starts.

Then he can go play for Atlanta or whoever he wants to. Unless we franchise him again.
I doubt we franchise him again It would be a waste of the franchise tag espcially since we dont appear to be paying owen or demeco.

I'm guessing he'll show up soon enough to avoid not being paid.
Who wouldn't? you say that like its a bad thing have you seen the way players play in a contract year?

[MACwired]

I'd almost make a crack about you secretly being Dunta but you misspelled loyalty in your previous post.

As for the front office, when it comes down to the numbers, we apparently couldn't pay Dunta what he wanted based off his performance last season but wanted to keep him around to prove his worth. It is within there right per the agreement all NFL players are apart of to be tagged. Did Smith tell Robinson, he wouldn't tag him, maybe but what GM would be dumb enough to say that and mean it? And why IS Dunta so pissed unless the negiotiations were a shame and he had another destination (possibily illegal communications) before he was tagged?

As for just giving in, look how that worked out in Denver, Cutler threw a fit and rather then the new coach and him working it out, they have a quick messy divorce that left the door open for Marshall to act like a fool trying to get traded. The title GM stands for General MANAGER, you can't bow down to your players and their agents or you hurt your position with the players and the firm behind the agents.

Frankly, Dunta showed promise, but this a Ron Artest situation IMO, he apparently hasn't done enough to the prove them they can invest the money HE wants in him and he probably wants out anyway.

Thanks for correction on my misspelling. As for FO not wanting to pay Dunta is not all true. They saw how he played and evaluated on 2008 season and they though that they had, the leverage to make Dunta's future playing here. If he played great coming from possibly the career ending injury that this dispute would not have happened. But unfortunately and obviously, he was not 100% well, but gave a gargantuan effort. There were some miscues here and there but over all I though he out played his unit. Look, Keep being optimistic and have positive energy. Who knows what will happen to the wonderful city we live in and one day we might have a NFL champions here.

[Yosarian]

This is what the prime example of what have you done for me lately. You probably were happy when Dunta was great. And now, you are kicking him to the curb. Where is royalty in that? .


uhm...over 600,000.00$ a game. Yes that sounds like royalty to me.

[MACwired]

uhm...over 600,000.00$ a game. Yes that sound like royalty to me.

You just don't get it. No clue on how Dunta's out look on the attitude for playing for love of the game. It is true that money brings some happiness.
But money do not bring happiness of well being. Let me put it this way, Dunta has no ego but has ambition.

[Yosarian]

yeah, i just don't get it. 600,000.00$ plus a week is not enough for the allmighty Dunta.

[TheGoaT]

May I suggest you to study more on grammar and etiquette to be more understandable and knowledgeable to carry on the thread.


hahahahaha I must be getting trolled. The guy can't even form one complete sentence and he's telling me to study my grammar. Classic.

[TheGoaT]

This is what the prime example of what have you done for me lately. You probably were happy when Dunta was great. And now, you are kicking him to the curb. Where is royalty in that? He is not a flashy or a troubled person and not a bad human being. Again, Let me allow to reiterate. Think more carefully here. It is not always about the money that you are focusing and emphasizing. I'm not questioning the morals of Dunta's poor decision not playing now. I'm questioning the ethics of FO. Hope you get my point here. Texans made the cold unprofessional move on Dunta. On paper, it seems that Texans FO made the right move. Ethically, it is a poor choice and should be shameful. Oh yah, professionals and people with no logic in ethics think that business has no shame. Business is business right? But the true professionals has the practical, sensible and wisdom quality to be great at having successful business. Texan FO lacks that quality. Act professional and talking professional is easy for the public eyes to perceive. That is what they do for living. I just have the different point of view and kin sense that there is "NO HEART" in them. Can you honor the true Texan fan's wish for Dunta to retire playing here. After all he gave us the identity of tenacious Texans defense and loved paying every minute of it here. Can you sense that? I believe he has many more playing years left in him. He is not far off of his greatness to playing what he is capable of. I hope they can resolve the issue and come to terms peacefully. If they don't resolve it, and it is a "Big IF." The Texans defence will be worst then the previous years without Dunta.
FO can sign thousand of cornerback from here and on. They will not fine another Dunta. Reply to me, after watching how defense play againt the VIkings. You will see.

Ya I was happy when Dunta was good, I would be happy with him right now if he signed the more than reasonable contract offer and was in camp this whole time. You keep blabbing on about ethics and poor business decisions by the front office, yet you repeatedly continue to not explain what poor decision they made and what the proper one would have been. The team offered Dunta a contract that would have made him a top 3 paid corner in the league BEFORE he was tagged. Dunta turned down the offer. So the team was left with the following options:
A. Offer him well beyond his worth with no guarantee he can play at the level he did before injury
B. Let him enter free agency where he can sign with another team leaving the Texans uncompensated.
C. Place the tag on him while you try to work out a long term deal thus protecting your investment in him.

So you are going to sit here with your Borat talk and claim they made the poor business decision in protecting their investment? Do you know anything about business at all?? You keep claiming Dunta is so great and hes back to before he got injured, yet you have absolutely zero proof of any of that whatsoever. The team made the right decision. You dont overpay for a guy when you dont have evidence he can play at a high level, and you dont let your first round draft pick walk off in free agency.

[TheGoaT]

As far as the team morale goes, it will not suffer from Dunta for him not being here. They are professionals and grown ups. Players play and managers manage. On the other hand, FO droped the ball, big time on Dunta that we are still suffering now. Do you see how defense is playing this preseason? It gets frustrating to see how secondaries are playing. Demeco had a great game against the Vikings. Many kudos for him. Secondaries however, is still having difficulty in pass coverage and tackling. Texans can have all the talent in the world but with no passion and desire to having winning attitude, they will keep suffering from having no tenacious energy as Dunta. Some one needs to step up and say enough is enough. Coaches need to make adjustments in a hurry. It is now on their hands to fix and adjust what FO's poor judgement on not getting Dunta on board early.

Why am I not surprised you failed to watch the game properly. The secondary coverage was very good against the Vikings, they didnt complete a single downfield throw. The only thing they did poorly was wrap up tackling. McCain even had a nice monster hit on one of the receivers. Keep repeating the same misconceptions and general bull**** over and over.

[TheGoaT]

Thanks for correction on my misspelling. As for FO not wanting to pay Dunta is not all true. They saw how he played and evaluated on 2008 season and they though that they had, the leverage to make Dunta's future playing here. If he played great coming from possibly the career ending injury that this dispute would not have happened. But unfortunately and obviously, he was not 100% well, but gave a gargantuan effort. There were some miscues here and there but over all I though he out played his unit. Look, Keep being optimistic and have positive energy. Who knows what will happen to the wonderful city we live in and one day we might have a NFL champions here.

stop backpedaling. You claim the FO was wrong in not paying Dunta over his worth, now you are admitting his play after injury wasn't up to par. Why the hell would they overpay for a guy who hasnt returned to top form? Get it through your thick skull Borat, you dont overpay people just to be 'loyal'. Its a business, businesses don't get wealthy by charity.

[wildroot]

Do you think players resent him for doing what he feels is best?

I dunno...ask the Miami players how they felt about Ricky Williams hangin the team out to dry...


Lots of players do what he is doing. Many would do what he is doing if they were in his shoes you just choose to see it through what you read and hear.

If we choose to see it through what we read and hear? How the hell else should we choose to see it !?! I tried calling Dunta but he's not taking my calls. How do you choose to see it, if not through what you see and hear?

Dude was franchised...Something that was in the CBA agreement negotiated between the NFL and the Union. The NFL had to give the Union something, make a concession to the Union in order for that franchise tag to be there. Whatever that concession was, I'm sure the Union is making the most out of it without the NFL throwning a tissy fit everytime it's used unlike the players that get their panties all in a wad everytime a team uses a legally negotiated player designation that was voted in by the NFLPA, the Franchise Tag, on a player.
He was offered a boat load of money for someone who came off a less than stellar year.

[MACwired]

not only do we have Dunta and his mother posting.. we also seem to have his grandmother, as well.

I'm not even going to start addressing all that's wrong with this post.

I'm sick of this subject... but I never get sick of pizza.

I'm sick of your pot belly picture. Your not even funny. Eat your pizza and stop posting.

[TheGoaT]

VERY NICE

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/05/borat_narrowweb__300x400,0.jpg

[MACwired]

stop backpedaling. You claim the FO was wrong in not paying Dunta over his worth, now you are admitting his play after injury wasn't up to par. Why the hell would they overpay for a guy who hasnt returned to top form? Get it through your thick skull Borat, you dont overpay people just to be 'loyal'. Its a business, businesses don't get wealthy by charity.

I have more than enough explaining to you why Dunta is valuable to this team. Again, it is the structure of the contract that FO was offering to Dunta after 2008 season was over. He was dissatisfied with bad handling of business from FO and it is not necessarily of how much money he wanted to get. He is not a dumb cookie. Please, reread the past post and understand the core reason. Dunta has the special gift to bring this secondary unit together. For example, he just brings the positive energy to the field and plays at a higher level. Here is the proof: our team was struggling with many losses in the beginning of 2008 season without Dunta on the field. We finished strong with 8-8 record with Dunta on the team. He does not make many misses in tackling. His positive presence on the field alone makes this team a thousand times better.

[MACwired]

VERY NICE

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/05/borat_narrowweb__300x400,0.jpg

How can you be funny and be serious at same time? Moron maybe?

[Number 34]

I have more than enough explaining to you why Dunta is valuable to this team. Again, it is the structure of the contract that FO was offering to Dunta after 2008 season was over. He was dissatisfied with bad handling of business from FO and it is not necessarily of how much money he wanted to get.

Please link supporting evidence. I would like to know what is on Dunta's mind.

[MACwired]

Why am I not surprised you failed to watch the game properly. The secondary coverage was very good against the Vikings, they didnt complete a single downfield throw. The only thing they did poorly was wrap up tackling. McCain even had a nice monster hit on one of the receivers. Keep repeating the same misconceptions and general bull**** over and over.

Vikings had better pass/catch ratio than Texans, Long or short. That was the scheme of the vikings that Texans bought. Therefore, A. Peterson gobbled up the yards. You sound pissed that we lost. Yap, bottom line is that Texans lost the game. It's no bull **** about my point of view on the game.
Please check the stats! And again, no one is happy about the performance of our secondaries thus far.

[TheGoaT]

I have more than enough explaining to you why Dunta is valuable to this team. Again, it is the structure of the contract that FO was offering to Dunta after 2008 season was over. He was dissatisfied with bad handling of business from FO and it is not necessarily of how much money he wanted to get. He is not a dumb cookie. Please, reread the past post and understand the core reason. Dunta has the special gift to bring this secondary unit together. For example, he just brings the positive energy to the field and plays at a higher level. Here is the proof: our team was struggling with many losses in the beginning of 2008 season without Dunta on the field. We finished strong with 8-8 record with Dunta on the team. He does not make many misses in tackling. His positive presence on the field alone makes this team a thousand times better.

haha god you are dumb. Where is all this evidence? You talk like you were sitting next to Dunta at the neogiating table, expect that you are just making things up. You have no idea what happened. All we have is the facts. Dunta was offered a deal before being tagged, Dunta turned down said deal. The Texans used the tag to prevent him from entering free agency. Dunta cried about it. The Texans continued to try and work out a deal, Dunta refused any deal that didnt include not being tagged again. Now use your little Borat brain and answer me this, why would Dunta not want to be tagged again? Come on Borat, Im sure you can figure it out. Being a vocal leader is great, but being a poor tackler and blowing coverages when you come back is not going to get you top pay at your position no matter how vocal you are. You get paid for production. He didnt supply the production when he came back. If he wanted to be on this team long term, he would have signed his tender and gone out this season and proved he could return to his old form. The fact that he chose not to says alot.

[TheGoaT]

I dont even need to look at the stat page, because I actually watched every play of the game. The secondary was quite good in coverage, evidenced by the fact that the Viks had zero completions down the field. The Viks didnt have a better completion ratio long and short, because they never completed anything long. Peterson gobbled the majority of his runs in 1 play, the defense was much improved after that. Dunta Robinson being there wouldnt have changed that, especially considering how slow he would be with you swinging from his nuts. Anyone who isnt dumb doesnt care about the final score because its PRESEASON.

[Yosarian]

i gotta hand it to you , goat, but i don't think after 6-7 pages of explaining that he will ever understand. And i love that he hasn't offered one bit of evidence to back up one word of what he has said.

Macwired...give it up. Until you can prove one thing you have said..please give it up. Goat has much more stamina than you do, and i can show you stats on that if you need them.

[TheGoaT]

yes I have much more free time at work with my boss out of town than you can imagine. :D

[Number 34]

It wouldn't surprise me a bit to see him traded off when and if he returns, if we can dupe someone into giving us something for him.

Someone call the Bolts! They are giving away draft picks!

[Yosarian]

Someone call the Bolts! They are giving away draft picks!


rofl:D

[Se7en]

I'm sick of your pot belly picture. Your not even funny. Eat your pizza and stop posting.

Wow... good comeback! I am going to have to side with you now because your logic is spot on!

I may get frustrated with some of the posters on this board at times just like I am sure I rub people the wrong way at times. At the end of the day I would love to meet anyone posting on thes boards at a game and share a beer and old war stories from Texan memories thatw e have all shared in together.

Keep the personal insults out of it!

[Number 34]

I'm with you on that, but I wouldn't want to have a beer with Dr. Ron. I hate the sight and smell of rubber gloves.

Good thing because Dr Ron is probably an 8 year old kid! Would hate to see you as a registered sex offender when I do a search for all your posts. :eek:

[MACwired]

I dont even need to look at the stat page, because I actually watched every play of the game. The secondary was quite good in coverage, evidenced by the fact that the Viks had zero completions down the field. The Viks didnt have a better completion ratio long and short, because they never completed anything long. Peterson gobbled the majority of his runs in 1 play, the defense was much improved after that. Dunta Robinson being there wouldnt have changed that, especially considering how slow he would be with you swinging from his nuts. Anyone who isnt dumb doesnt care about the final score because its PRESEASON.

May I ask you, have you ever played any organize footbabll? You are a such a clown and trying too hard to be funny that your posts are mumbo jumbo. You have many weaknesses. Preseason or not. You do not have legit argument here. I saw the game and it was ugly from starters to third strings on our team, exception of Demeco. There were few long pass completion by Vikings. Check the stats again fool. Texans had many more incompletions than Vikings. Compare the QB ratings of two teams bone head. You are trying to be funny again. A. Peterson and Brad F. only played for a short period. Imagine, both playing the full game, the score might have been much higher for Vikings. Once again, you just don't get it. I have explained the scheme of Viking's plan, go back and reread the post. Vikings had hands down out played Texans on our own turf *****. They came out with a victory. We have suppose to have a better team than the Vikings and should have won at home. We have many more talented top draft picks than Viking to make my point here. We probably have won the game with Dunta preventing A, Peterson's long TD run with his speed and sure tackling skill. There were not one secondary catching up with AP. "None." It was disappointing to watch.

[MACwired]

i gotta hand it to you , goat, but i don't think after 6-7 pages of explaining that he will ever understand. And i love that he hasn't offered one bit of evidence to back up one word of what he has said.

Macwired...give it up. Until you can prove one thing you have said..please give it up. Goat has much more stamina than you do, and i can show you stats on that if you need them.

Bring it! You two clowns can stick to comedy only. Wait a minute, never mine, you are not even funny. Quit while you're down. Reread the past post again fool, even a grade school kids can read and sense who has the legitimate arguments here. And on stats, open your EYES real BIG and check the Vikings game stats. To pin point, check the QB ratings. Bottom line? Viking won at our home turf against our better talented team. Yah, It says lot about how foolish you are.

[MACwired]

Do you really want to start this game?

Your man crush on Dunta is quite evident, and frankly it's a bit creepy. In fact, I'm beginning to think you may be the agent who must be giving him all the bad advice.

Now pull your face out of his crotch for a minute and maybe you'll see that with the exception of his mother, grandmother and Dunta himself, 95% of the people here disagree with you.

Give it up. Nobody is buying that he's worth more than the team offered him. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of people think it's too much as it is. He hasn't shown himself to be the player he was before the injury and yet the team still offers him top 3 money. That's hardly unfair.

He's just being selfish and he's putting himself above the team. You may be able to get away with that crap in baseball or something but football is different. Team chemistry means SO MUCH MORE.

At this point he is a distraction and is detrimental to team morale.

What NFL player has the mindset that "I'M" going to win the superbowl this year? None... it's a team sport and thats a team goal. If you want individual titles go play golf or tennis.

If he returns it will take time for the players to get over the fact that he's been so selfish while the team has been so accomodating to him. What type of message does this type of activity send to others?

He's going to be getting his full salary without having to go through TC and putting in all of the hard work neccessary to make the team successful.

It wouldn't surprise me a bit to see him traded off when and if he returns, if we can dupe someone into giving us something for him.

Do I want him to play and succeed? Of course.. but there is NO one player worth ruining team morale over. I couldn't care less who he is, if he's detrimental, it's time for him to go.

Someone said that this is a classic example of "what have you done for me, lately?" And I have to agree.... Dunta... what HAVE you done for us lately?

It's all been said before.. and it'll be said again after you respond with your jock sniffing, head up Dunta's butt propaganda that he must be paying you to post.

You can not be so negative and bulgar to be the true Texans fan. First, you're too fat and can't be healthy to have a clear mind to make peaceful classy threads. Stick with your unfunny comedy. We don't have a team chemistry now. Hello? We are losing at home and suppose to win more games with our many talented top picks. Texans were on their way to gelling all the right pieces to be the playoff contender.
The core ingredient of this team is the heart and spirit of D. Robinson's winning attitude. No one has sense of him in that nature. Not the team nor the front office. Bottom line, Dunta loves Houston and playing here. People like you and business's with bad ethics have no clue.

[Number 34]

Bring it! You two clowns can stick to comedy only. Wait a minute, never mine, you are not even funny.

I thought they were hilarious.

[Texan Heat]

How can someone talk trash about posters not being classy when they clearly are and he/she is the one that's being aggressive and vulgar?

tsk tsk

[Texan Naija]

Let's drop the personal insults and the going nowhere Dunta talk, since the title of this thread is on the Texans secondary, let's move on to another secondary topic.

According to Kubiak's last interview on 610, if he had to start any of the younger guys on the roster, Brice McCain is in the lead. What are you guys thoughts on this and is there another CB currently on our roster you think should start over McCain from what you have seen?

[TheGoaT]

May I ask you, have you ever played any organize footbabll?

No I've never played footbabll before. Sounds homosexual.


You are a such a clown and trying too hard to be funny that your posts are mumbo jumbo. You have many weaknesses. Preseason or not.


Ya its preseason, so Im only using my second and third string jokes.


You do not have legit argument here. I saw the game and it was ugly from starters to third strings on our team, exception of Demeco. There were few long pass completion by Vikings.


Now we know you are lying and just reading a stat page. Anyone who actually watched the game knows there were no completions down field.


A. Peterson and Brad F. only played for a short period. Imagine, both playing the full game

who is this Brad F. you speak of? Brad Favre? hahahahaha thank you for continuing to prove how little you know about football.


Vikings had hands down out played Texans on our own turf *****. They came out with a victory.


they hands down outplayed us yet won by 1 score? Interesting concept, and oh noes they got a victory for mother russia in the preseason! We are doomed!


We have suppose to have a better team than the Vikings.


who the hell ever said we were better than the Vikings? Your lord Dumbta Robinson? If we were worried about winning or losing in the preseason we would have had starters play the whole game. Only a dufus is worried about that.


We probably have won the game with Dunta preventing A, Peterson's long TD run with his speed and sure tackling skill.


hahahahahahahahahahahahah *breath* hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

PS If Dumbta was playing, he would have been where Bennet was, you know on the strong side of the play no where near the play. You would know that if you actually watched the game and had any knowledge whatsoever.

BUT DONT WORRY BRAD FAVRE ONLY PLAYED 3 QUARTERS!

[TheGoaT]

Reread the past post again fool, even a grade school kids can read and sense who has the legitimate arguments here.

Im pretty sure a grade school kid could write a more coherent sentence then you have managed so far.

When are you gonna catch on to the fact you are my play toy ***** I use to kill time at work?

[Number 34]

No Ya its preseason, so Im only using my second and third string jokes.

LOL! You made my day Goat!

[naterchamp16]

Let's drop the personal insults and the going nowhere Dunta talk, since the title of this thread is on the Texans secondary, let's move on to another secondary topic.

According to Kubiak's last interview on 610, if he had to start any of the younger guys on the roster, Brice McCain is in the lead. What are you guys thoughts on this and is there another CB currently on our roster you think should start over McCain from what you have seen?

I like McCain a lot, i just wish we would try him on kick returns no offense to Davis. McCain did well against Harvin as well on that end zone pass he was right there with him, shoulda gotten beat on that but 1 on 1 it was a solid play. I am in love with his speed!

[TexSid]

I have a real question. (and yes I like Dunta and want him back as soon as possible). What does he get if he returned two weeks ago and gets a season ending injury? I think diddly. So if I were him I wouldn't show up either. I think he should have signed the 23mill offer but here it is and he will likely be starting against the Jets.....

[Texan66]

59 is the defense leader of theTexans. Dunta needs to learn from a real leader out there.

[MACwired]

How can someone talk trash about posters not being classy when they clearly are and he/she is the one that's being aggressive and vulgar?

tsk tsk

Then you'll know where I'm coming from.

[edo783]

I have a real question. (and yes I like Dunta and want him back as soon as possible). What does he get if he returned two weeks ago and gets a season ending injury? I think diddly. So if I were him I wouldn't show up either. I think he should have signed the 23mill offer but here it is and he will likely be starting against the Jets.....

He signs the F-tag sheet and gets injured either in camp or the regular season, he get the full 9.9 million as it is guaranteed under the Franchise rules.

[MACwired]

No I've never played footbabll before. Sounds homosexual.



Ya its preseason, so Im only using my second and third string jokes.



Now we know you are lying and just reading a stat page. Anyone who actually watched the game knows there were no completions down field.



who is this Brad F. you speak of? Brad Favre? hahahahaha thank you for continuing to prove how little you know about football.



they hands down outplayed us yet won by 1 score? Interesting concept, and oh noes they got a victory for mother russia in the preseason! We are doomed!



who the hell ever said we were better than the Vikings? Your lord Dumbta Robinson? If we were worried about winning or losing in the preseason we would have had starters play the whole game. Only a dufus is worried about that.




hahahahahahahahahahahahah *breath* hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

PS If Dumbta was playing, he would have been where Bennet was, you know on the strong side of the play no where near the play. You would know that if you actually watched the game and had any knowledge whatsoever.

BUT DONT WORRY BRAD FAVRE ONLY PLAYED 3 QUARTERS!

:( I admit my misspell here and there, but I get my point across clearly. You are still the clown and nothing more. No class nor funny. You have spelled wrong on Favre's first name as well. It is Brett. On the remarks on who suppose to be a better team, the Texans had more higher first round draft picks than the Vikings since the opening day of the Texans organization.
That meant more talents of our team losing to a visiting team with less talents. Once again, you are not funny. LOLR :-)

[MACwired]

Wow... good comeback! I am going to have to side with you now because your logic is spot on!

I may get frustrated with some of the posters on this board at times just like I am sure I rub people the wrong way at times. At the end of the day I would love to meet anyone posting on thes boards at a game and share a beer and old war stories from Texan memories thatw e have all shared in together.

Keep the personal insults out of it!

Bad little bunny needs a little spanking sometimes for his bad behavior. Thats all. Cheers to you!

[MACwired]

I thought they were hilarious.

I've got more up my sleeves for pesky little dweeb of the evil mouses running around our True Texans message boards. They are mostly negative and irrelevant to our posts. They need to be trap. I have the formulas to trap them and the punishment is waiting for them. Have a great day.

[Se7en]

Have you been drinking the CleoAid, That was beautiful man.
I'm with you on that, but I wouldn't want to have a beer with Dr. Ron. I hate the sight and smell of rubber gloves.

I would even have a beer with Dr. Ron and Coogbull, it would give me a chance to see if they really are FANS or just guys who have watched a few Texans games.

[Yosarian]

You still completely floor me with your arguements. The Texans are better because they have the better draft picks? Actually, you are wrong again. The team that is worse gets the better draft picks.

Why do you think that no one is agreeing with you? Could it be that you are not right? And the "secondaries" looked pretty good in coverage compared to the past years. Molden who played little and will probably be starting looked so good i do not think they ever threw to his man.

McCain is not ready to be a starter in my opinion, but Reeves is supposed to be back soon. Also there is always the possibility of getting a Free Agent cb once the cuts are made.

Preseason is preseason. The score means nothing. You are evaluating talent and giving your starters some game time to knock the rust off and get the timing down. You are not trying to win at all costs.

Dunta is not going to make this team better for at least 6-8 weeks once the season starts because he has refused to be a part of this team and he will suck for a while trying to learn the defense and get in game shape. Go look at hold outs throughout the nfl's history and try to find me one guy who came in after holding out and actually helped his team immediately. There is not one, but go look. A "team leader" would never jeapordize the team by not coming to camp and getting ready. He has hurt the team. He has been a bad influence on the team. He has shown no common courtesy or consideration to his team mates. He is self centered and selfish and he does NOT want to be a Texan. Take that to the bank. It is why he does not want a franchise tag put on him. No player in their right mind would be upset at being one of the highest paid guys at their position unless they had alterior motives.

Get a clue!

[TheGoaT]

. You have spelled wrong on Favre's first name as well. It is Brett.

WOW. You really are this dumb arent you? I know his name is Brett, THATS WHY I WAS MAKING FUN OF YOU FOR CALLING HIM BRAD. We need to dress you up as the team jester, you doing an excellent job making me laugh.

[protoTexans]

He is freaking me out man, I think he works for a pest control company and has been sniffing the product for waaaaaaaaaaaay to long.


He sees evil Mouses in his dreams. God fobid that the mice actually catch us...

[blake1776]

I think Brice McCain will be a star sometime this season.

Sadly, I see Cushing as an injury problem for the rest of his career, missing 3-4 games a season, but being very very good when he's on the field, ala Bob Sanders.

The real Gems of this draft will be McCain, Casey, and Barwin, all with all pro potential.

I also see Caldwell being what we have always wanted in a center.

[Yosarian]

You guys better take his threats seriously. He's been working on this for quite some time and it's almost perfected.

[TheGoaT]

I think hes been hanging out with these guys:

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m310/sammyc_1/fear_and_loathing_in_las_vegas.jpg

[TexSid]

He signs the F-tag sheet and gets injured either in camp or the regular season, he get the full 9.9 million as it is guaranteed under the Franchise rules.


Thanks I always wondered about the condition for the tag.

[MACwired]

You still completely floor me with your arguements. The Texans are better because they have the better draft picks? Actually, you are wrong again. The team that is worse gets the better draft picks.

Why do you think that no one is agreeing with you? Could it be that you are not right? And the "secondaries" looked pretty good in coverage compared to the past years. Molden who played little and will probably be starting looked so good i do not think they ever threw to his man.

McCain is not ready to be a starter in my opinion, but Reeves is supposed to be back soon. Also there is always the possibility of getting a Free Agent cb once the cuts are made.

Preseason is preseason. The score means nothing. You are evaluating talent and giving your starters some game time to knock the rust off and get the timing down. You are not trying to win at all costs.

Dunta is not going to make this team better for at least 6-8 weeks once the season starts because he has refused to be a part of this team and he will suck for a while trying to learn the defense and get in game shape. Go look at hold outs throughout the nfl's history and try to find me one guy who came in after holding out and actually helped his team immediately. There is not one, but go look. A "team leader" would never jeapordize the team by not coming to camp and getting ready. He has hurt the team. He has been a bad influence on the team. He has shown no common courtesy or consideration to his team mates. He is self centered and selfish and he does NOT want to be a Texan. Take that to the bank. It is why he does not want a franchise tag put on him. No player in their right mind would be upset at being one of the highest paid guys at their position unless they had alterior motives.

Get a clue!

"Dude!" Obviously, you are corrupted in many ways. First, you've got scolded badly by my clearer arguments in the past posts and now it seems to try to win my sympathy and from other bloggers. You are no different from other posers who blogs about mumbo jumbos. All you evil bad mouses are not getting my cheese. "BAD" mouses needs poison or get trapped.

Let me allow to scratch the surface on why Dunta is valuable to our team and the city. He is not what you made him out to be. Dunta is a proud father and family man who is a good positive role model and a great human being. He is a great influence on our team on the field and off the field. Because, he has supported troubled kids by uplifting their spirits and contributed many community services.

Dunta is one of the top CB in the league who does not live a flashy gangsta life style and brags how talented he is. He has no ego. What he have is strong desirable ambition to win SUPER BOWL for the city and himself. Oh... and the organization too. Ultimately, his messages and his actions is to help understand our selves do better and be better.

On the business side, FO dropped the ball big time on how they have handled the deal. They are the ones who franchised him in the first place. Not me or the true fans had the power to decide the outcome. Franchise tag is usually reserved for players of great skill or of high importance to the team. They need to re-negotiate the deal that makes more sense and peaceful to the fans and both parties.

ps. Your post seems to make some what of a sense but lacks deeper understanding of true issues of Texans. Suggestion? Stick to you unfunny comedy. :-(

[Yosarian]

no cheese for me
:rolleyes:

[TheGoaT]

no cheese for me
:rolleyes:

evil bad mouses!

[TheGoaT]

On the business side, FO dropped the ball big time on how they have handled the deal. They are the ones who franchised him in the first place.



you keep saying this over and over, yet everytime we tell you to explain how this is a bad business move, or what they should have done instead, you ignore it. Probably because you have no clue what you are talking about. VERY NICE

[Yosarian]

What, no cheese on the pizza?

he dunta get it.

[Yosarian]

Okay let's try to get your point of view clearly.

Questions for MacWired....

1.)Why doesn't Dunta want to be tagged?

2.)What option would be a better business decision than placing the tag on Dunta?

3.)How do you know that Dunta is 100%?

4.)What is "kin sense"?

5.)Does a 3 yard dump off pass that the rb runs for 20+ yards constitute a long pass?

6.)What is your evidence backing up your claim that Dunta is anywhere near his playing form from over 2 years ago?

7.)If over 600,000.00$ a week is not enough money, how much money should we offer Dunta?

8.)Do you really think that Dunta is not going to sign? (because he will)

9.)When you say that DeMeco and Mario missed a lot of tackles , please show examples from nfl video clips.

10.)Are the Detroit Lions the best team in the nfl because they have had the most top picks?


I appreciate you answering the questions directly. Thanks.

[TheGoaT]

"All you evil bad mouses are not getting my cheese."

[Yosarian]

Yo yo yo, Yosarian my boy, why are wasting yo time with Dunta's agent?
I want my cheese, dang it!

:)

[raginbull]

Bad business decisions? Al Davis pays DeAngelo Hall an unprecedented 70 million figure only to cut him. rick tried to come to agreement but Dunta's agent and himself came into conflict with that. Would you pay for an un-proven product that may be damaged? Had Rick not tagged Dunta he would be gone and this thread would have no reason to exhist! Better yet lets just start to pay all the players on the team what they think there value is, then we can be in the same boat as the Colts, which is, we loose a good player or two every year, have no impact in the free agent market because you spend most of the offseason trying to negotiate new deals with your current players. If Dunta can show up with the team come opening day, work himself up the depth chart, and let his play make the statement that he is a top 3 CB in this league, then by all means lets get him a contract in place! This team is about shedding the under achievers label. the Travis Johnson move is an example. Travis couldnt live up to his first round expectations and we moved on. We have younger guys who are very hungry for a starting spot. Lets ket the young guys play and pay the one's that actually show up and support the team and earn their contracts play!

[MACwired]

you keep saying this over and over, yet everytime we tell you to explain how this is a bad business move, or what they should have done instead, you ignore it. Probably because you have no clue what you are talking about. VERY NICE

Ever since my first post, you have not concurred with me in any shape or form to give me any credit to why I want Dunta to play on the field as soon as posssible. Instead, what I am only getting is your attacks on my point of views. I have read your other past posts and it seems that you are for interest in popularity contest.

All right, what I really care about is that there is much needed improvements on secondary position. I hope you agree with me on this because they are not proven at this point in this juncture. It is still in the testing stage with rookies and they are missing a clear leader. Therefore, Dunta leading the field could have had much better results and outcomes thus far in this preseason. I know that wins and points in preseason don't count but it is a test to an outcome of how team chemistry is building and evaluating players for who gets to play regular season. As of now, we don't have a chemistry. That is where Dunta is sorely missed.

Since you have not figured it out the clue, let me explain to you AGAIN on why FO dropped the ball. Once again, FO has the upper hand, the man has more greater power over Dunta making deals. After all, they are the employer who franchised the non-exclusive tag on him. It means, they can let him go to other teams and possibly get the better end of the deal. It seems as FO made sound business decision protecting Dunta and for the fans, but they are missing the good ethical business knowledge that requires practical wisdom decision for better outcomes of both parties. It just feels more like FO is handling a puppet on a string for Dunta and his true followers. I think they really were leaning more toward Dunta's playing career elsewhere after evaluating '08 season.

I hope he can join us more quickly because until now, all the right pieces were gelling together for a playoff team. However, I am very disappointed at FO of not doing the thorough homework to drafting the much needed highly impact secondary players in the past and present since drafting Dunta in '04. The high impact player could have had released some of Dunta's pressures on pass coverage and run stoppage. That said, our defensive line is counted for more less stellar perfomances in that department. They did not do a good job at pressuring opposing QB's and run defense.

Truthfully, my only wish is for Dunta to play here for his remaining career and ultimately retiring here. He has been with us for five wonderful seasons and there is no question on how he approaches the game. He gives all with his tenacity and winning attitude. We both agree on having winning team, don't you?

[MACwired]

Okay let's try to get your point of view clearly.

Questions for MacWired....

1.)Why doesn't Dunta want to be tagged?

2.)What option would be a better business decision than placing the tag on Dunta?

3.)How do you know that Dunta is 100%?

4.)What is "kin sense"?

5.)Does a 3 yard dump off pass that the rb runs for 20+ yards constitute a long pass?

6.)What is your evidence backing up your claim that Dunta is anywhere near his playing form from over 2 years ago?

7.)If over 600,000.00$ a week is not enough money, how much money should we offer Dunta?

8.)Do you really think that Dunta is not going to sign? (because he will)

9.)When you say that DeMeco and Mario missed a lot of tackles , please show examples from nfl video clips.

10.)Are the Detroit Lions the best team in the nfl because they have had the most top picks?


I appreciate you answering the questions directly. Thanks.

Please, read the post made to TheGoat today about Dunta and on F. Tag.

Thanks for pointing out my misspelling. I meant KEEN sense, not kin. And yes, dumping a 3+yards to a RB for a TD is considered as a long pass. Technically it is not but no matter how you look at it, on paper, it is a long pass completion.

On the question on the best team, yes Detroit Lions is a better talented team because of their high draft picks but that does not necessarily makes a best team. That said, I have not made the quote that Texans were the best team. They were better team with having more talents from coaches to players than the Vikings.

I think Dunta is at his 100% because he had more time off to recuperate and fine tune on his miscues on some of the bad plays he made last season. On the mental side of Dunta bothers me a little bit because of of the F. Tag issue. I hope he can join us more sooner this season for better results.

Thanks. GO TEXANS!!!

[Yosarian]

Thanks for the answers. I don't agree with you but i can surely respect your opinion on it since you seem to be strong willed about your positions.

One thing though, you can't blame the secondary for a short pass that goes for long yardage. The Vikes game the secondary played pretty well but didn't tackle well. But you can't say they were thrown to long because they weren't. It was the linebackers who were allowing those dump off passes, not the secondary.

One thing we can agree on is that we both want Dunta to get his butt in practice as soon as possible.

I'm pretty much done here.

[TheGoaT]

Ever since my first post, you have not concurred with me in any shape or form to give me any credit to why I want Dunta to play on the field as soon as posssible. Instead, what I am only getting is your attacks on my point of views. I have read your other past posts and it seems that you are for interest in popularity contest.

All right, what I really care about is that there is much needed improvements on secondary position. I hope you agree with me on this because they are not proven at this point in this juncture. It is still in the testing stage with rookies and they are missing a clear leader. Therefore, Dunta leading the field could have had much better results and outcomes thus far in this preseason. I know that wins and points in preseason don't count but it is a test to an outcome of how team chemistry is building and evaluating players for who gets to play regular season. As of now, we don't have a chemistry. That is where Dunta is sorely missed.

Since you have not figured it out the clue, let me explain to you AGAIN on why FO dropped the ball. Once again, FO has the upper hand, the man has more greater power over Dunta making deals. After all, they are the employer who franchised the non-exclusive tag on him. It means, they can let him go to other teams and possibly get the better end of the deal. It seems as FO made sound business decision protecting Dunta and for the fans, but they are missing the good ethical business knowledge that requires practical wisdom decision for better outcomes of both parties. It just feels more like FO is handling a puppet on a string for Dunta and his true followers. I think they really were leaning more toward Dunta's playing career elsewhere after evaluating '08 season.

I hope he can join us more quickly because until now, all the right pieces were gelling together for a playoff team. However, I am very disappointed at FO of not doing the thorough homework to drafting the much needed highly impact secondary players in the past and present since drafting Dunta in '04. The high impact player could have had released some of Dunta's pressures on pass coverage and run stoppage. That said, our defensive line is counted for more less stellar perfomances in that department. They did not do a good job at pressuring opposing QB's and run defense.

Truthfully, my only wish is for Dunta to play here for his remaining career and ultimately retiring here. He has been with us for five wonderful seasons and there is no question on how he approaches the game. He gives all with his tenacity and winning attitude. We both agree on having winning team, don't you?

once again you are just throwing together(rather poorly) some words and not answering the questions. Saying the FO is not ethical, is NOT explaining how using the tag is a bad BUSINESS move, nor is it answering what they should have done INSTEAD of using the tag. All you keep saying is "oh Dunta is so cool, hes so awesome, its unethical to use the tag on him cuz it hurts his feelings", which still doesnt answer the question. You are coming off as a fan of Dunta and not the team itself. The team invested a first round pick, and millions of dollars on Dunta Robinson. Its a HORRIBLE business decision to not use the tag because some fan with poor english thinks its unethical. Without using the tag, Dunta would sign with another team leaving the Texans with nothing for their investment in Dunta Robinson. I dont know how many times I have to explain this.

I keep trying to drill into your head that Dunta was offered a contract that would have made him a top 3 paid corner. HE turned it down. The team has done their part. Its clear to anyone except for you that Dunta doesnt want to play here. If you turn down a top 3 contract, and demand not to be tagged, it sends a clear message as to what your intentions are. Every player who asks not to be tagged, leaves in free agency. Why else would they not want to be tagged?

[TheGoaT]

Please, read the post made to TheGoat today about Dunta and on F. Tag.

Thanks for pointing out my misspelling. I meant KEEN sense, not kin. And yes, dumping a 3+yards to a RB for a TD is considered as a long pass. Technically it is not but no matter how you look at it, on paper, it is a long pass completion.

On the question on the best team, yes Detroit Lions is a better talented team because of their high draft picks but that does not necessarily makes a best team. That said, I have not made the quote that Texans were the best team. They were better team with having more talents from coaches to players than the Vikings.

I think Dunta is at his 100% because he had more time off to recuperate and fine tune on his miscues on some of the bad plays he made last season. On the mental side of Dunta bothers me a little bit because of of the F. Tag issue. I hope he can join us more sooner this season for better results.

Thanks. GO TEXANS!!!

1. You didnt answer why Dunta doesnt want to be tagged.

2. You didnt answer what the FO should have done instead of tagging him.

3. You gave an opinion not a single fact on how Dunta is at 100%.

5. You claimed the secondary was bad in coverage against the Vikings, and then used a RB dump off stat as your evidence. Explain how that is an example of the secondary being poor in coverage.

6. You didnt answer #6 either.

7. You didnt answer this one about how much money he is worth either.

8. this one either.

9. Ignored this one as well.

10. Having a higher average of draft picks does not prove talent. Production once you are in the NFL proves talent, not where you went in the draft. Saying the lions are the most talented team in the NFL because they had higher draft picks is the stupidest thing Ive ever heard.

[Se7en]

Dunta is one of the top CB in the league who does not live a flashy gangsta life style and brags how talented he is. He has no ego.

I do not know what Dunta you were watching, but he has one of the biggest egos of any player in the league and comes off VERY cocky. He might not openly brag on TV about his skills, but how many players actually do that other than TO and OchoCinco.

What he have is strong desirable ambition to win SUPER BOWL for the city and himself. Oh... and the organization too. Ultimately, his messages and his actions is to help understand our selves do better and be better.

Nevermind, I take back my last statement because you are clearly not in touch with reality. I think you are confusing Andre Johnson with Dunta because he is the only super star on these team that has ever openly said he never wants to leave and wants to bring this city a Superbowl win.

You need to work on posting in some other threads to show you are actually a fan of the Texans and not just Dunta because, like Goat is saying, you appear to be swinging from Duntas sack. :rolleyes:

[Texan Naija]

Why do you think that no one is agreeing with you? Could it be that you are not right? And the "secondaries" looked pretty good in coverage compared to the past years. Molden who played little and will probably be starting looked so good i do not think they ever threw to his man.

McCain is not ready to be a starter in my opinion, but Reeves is supposed to be back soon. Also there is always the possibility of getting a Free Agent cb once the cuts are made.


I agree, it looks like the comments last offseason about Molden being good weren't just hype, he played good in the games I have seen him.

I disagree on McCain. He seems to be the most trusted of the defensive backs that played this preseason and obviously the rookie with the fewest mistakes. If either Dunta or Reeves came back tomorrow and won back their starting position, and you had to choose between him and Bennett I wouldn't be surprised if he took over the other start spot. But then again, most of mistakes I remember Bennett making were in the first preseason game, so maybe he has improved enough that he isn't a liability.

We will find out on gameday.

[Yosarian]

I agree that McCain looks decent. But some of his tackling attempts have me worried about him being a starter right away. I like his coverage skills and recovery skills.

Molden looked really good when i watched him.

I'm afraid i am not very high on Quinn. I hope he develops into something but i am not seeing it at all.

[MACwired]

I do not know what Dunta you were watching, but he has one of the biggest egos of any player in the league and comes off VERY cocky. He might not openly brag on TV about his skills, but how many players actually do that other than TO and OchoCinco.



Nevermind, I take back my last statement because you are clearly not in touch with reality. I think you are confusing Andre Johnson with Dunta because he is the only super star on these team that has ever openly said he never wants to leave and wants to bring this city a Superbowl win.

You need to work on posting in some other threads to show you are actually a fan of the Texans and not just Dunta because, like Goat is saying, you appear to be swinging from Duntas sack. :rolleyes:

Actually, I don't like Koolaid . I take it back. See ya!!! Alligator.

[MACwired]

once again you are just throwing together(rather poorly) some words and not answering the questions. Saying the FO is not ethical, is NOT explaining how using the tag is a bad BUSINESS move, nor is it answering what they should have done INSTEAD of using the tag. All you keep saying is "oh Dunta is so cool, hes so awesome, its unethical to use the tag on him cuz it hurts his feelings", which still doesnt answer the question. You are coming off as a fan of Dunta and not the team itself. The team invested a first round pick, and millions of dollars on Dunta Robinson. Its a HORRIBLE business decision to not use the tag because some fan with poor english thinks its unethical. Without using the tag, Dunta would sign with another team leaving the Texans with nothing for their investment in Dunta Robinson. I dont know how many times I have to explain this.

I keep trying to drill into your head that Dunta was offered a contract that would have made him a top 3 paid corner. HE turned it down. The team has done their part. Its clear to anyone except for you that Dunta doesnt want to play here. If you turn down a top 3 contract, and demand not to be tagged, it sends a clear message as to what your intentions are. Every player who asks not to be tagged, leaves in free agency. Why else would they not want to be tagged?

All the posts made about Dunta is wasted time and energy on your part. Frankly, I'm done responding to your posts on this matter because of how nasty, dirty and negative style you write. I like to use a quote from one of my favorite movies of all time, Forest Gump, "Stupid is what stupid does."

On the flip side, I'm a happy camper because Dunta will join the team on Sunday reported by Fox 26. See Yaaaaa!!!! Yay, Go Texans!

[MACwired]

Thanks for the answers. I don't agree with you but i can surely respect your opinion on it since you seem to be strong willed about your positions.

One thing though, you can't blame the secondary for a short pass that goes for long yardage. The Vikes game the secondary played pretty well but didn't tackle well. But you can't say they were thrown to long because they weren't. It was the linebackers who were allowing those dump off passes, not the secondary.

One thing we can agree on is that we both want Dunta to get his butt in practice as soon as possible.

I'm pretty much done here.

Thanks again for your mutually respected thread. Breaking news, reported by Fox 26, Dunta is joining the team on Sunday. Boy, all of a sudden the out look of the '09 season just got even brighter. Go Texans!!! Hooray!!!

[TheGoaT]

All the posts made about Dunta is wasted time and energy on your part. Frankly, I'm done responding to your posts on this matter because of how nasty, dirty and negative style you write. I like to use a quote from one of my favorite movies of all time, Forest Gump, "Stupid is what stupid does."

On the flip side, I'm a happy camper because Dunta will join the team on Sunday reported by Fox 26. See Yaaaaa!!!! Yay, Go Texans!

haha ya youre done responding because you dont have an answer. Enjoy swinging from his nuts a bit longer, hopefully we get at least a 2nd for him when its time.

[wildroot]

There have been some quality Safeties and CBs that have been released around the NFL in the last 24 hrs and i'll be disapointed if the Texans don't try to bring in a few of these guys to upgrade what we have. Clearly waiting for the 2nd day of the draft is not the way to find playmakers for our secondary. Other than Reeves and Robinson, this group we have I doubt will strike anything close to fear in the opposing QBs we're going to face this year. I like the way Chicago jumped all over Hood when he was released, I'd like to see some of that from our team. I hate to say it but bringing Petey back would be an upgrade over Quin and some of the others we've kept. I feel pretty good about this team until I look at our DBs...That's going to be our downfall.

[TheGoaT]

There have been some quality Safeties and CBs that have been released around the NFL in the last 24 hrs and i'll be disapointed if the Texans don't try to bring in a few of these guys to upgrade what we have. Clearly waiting for the 2nd day of the draft is not the way to find playmakers for our secondary. Other than Reeves and Robinson, this group we have I doubt will strike anything close to fear in the opposing QBs we're going to face this year. I like the way Chicago jumped all over Hood when he was released, I'd like to see some of that from our team. I hate to say it but bringing Petey back would be an upgrade over Quin and some of the others we've kept. I feel pretty good about this team until I look at our DBs...That's going to be our downfall.

We are carrying 6 CBs now, so I dont think they would bring another in. Especially when the back side of that 6 is rookies and a 2nd year man. It wouldnt be worth it to cut one of them and hope they make it thru waivers.

[wildroot]

We are carrying 6 CBs now, so I dont think they would bring another in. Especially when the back side of that 6 is rookies and a 2nd year man. It wouldnt be worth it to cut one of them and hope they make it thru waivers.

Well, you know if we could bring someone in that would be a definate upgrade and improve this team with a proven player, then that's the price we pay to improve this team, someone like Quin perhaps dosen't make it through waivers. But in all honesty, he's small, doesen't tackle well...I mean I haven't seen anything from him in the few games I've seen that makes me feel like it's a big loss. The bottom line is to improve this team and do it now. But Kubiak & Smith can't stand pat and let all the other teams gobble these players up. I'd hope we've move to bring a few in as well.

[MACwired]

There have been some quality Safeties and CBs that have been released around the NFL in the last 24 hrs and i'll be disapointed if the Texans don't try to bring in a few of these guys to upgrade what we have. Clearly waiting for the 2nd day of the draft is not the way to find playmakers for our secondary. Other than Reeves and Robinson, this group we have I doubt will strike anything close to fear in the opposing QBs we're going to face this year. I like the way Chicago jumped all over Hood when he was released, I'd like to see some of that from our team. I hate to say it but bringing Petey back would be an upgrade over Quin and some of the others we've kept. I feel pretty good about this team until I look at our DBs...That's going to be our downfall.

You've hit the nail right on the head. The outlook is getting better and brighter because Dunta Robinson will join the team coming Sunday.

[TheGoaT]

I don't have to have any answer for you, because you will never get it. Do you see how you choose your words very poorly and offensive you write(type)? My little nephew(age 9) can write much better than you. You do not even have a little hint of intelligence of Yosarian who has the understanding and respectings of fellow blogger's who has different point of views. We both settled, because we hope to have a winning team this year. That's the quality you are missing and it is the core reason why I'm done with your personal negative posts made toward me. Again the quote I used, "Stupid is what stupid does" is now directly refers to you only.

continue to backpedal. I call you Borat because your posts are so terrible and then you actually call my grammar poor. Its hilarious! I asked as plainly as possible, so easy in fact, a caveman could do it(TM)!

How is protecting your investment with a franchise tag a bad business decision?
What should they have done instead?

It doesnt get any more clear than that, and its been asked countless times. You dont answer it because you dont have any answer, not because Im so mean to you and hurt your little Borat feelings. boo hoo.

[MACwired]

continue to backpedal. I call you Borat because your posts are so terrible and then you actually call my grammar poor. Its hilarious! I asked as plainly as possible, so easy in fact, a caveman could do it(TM)!

How is protecting your investment with a franchise tag a bad business decision?
What should they have done instead?

It doesnt get any more clear than that, and its been asked countless times. You dont answer it because you dont have any answer, not because Im so mean to you and hurt your little Borat feelings. boo hoo.

Perhaps, FO could have protected their investment by making better sound and sensible decision to give Dunta the offer he could not refuse. Instead, the FO played a power card game by tagging Dunta with non-exclusivity deal. That gives upper hand to the managements only. Investment? What investment? You meant, saving green backs for FO and disregarding the chemistry of a team and the true fans? That said, the money is not working hard for the franchise as a whole and the fans but only for interest and the evil power of FO to make more profit.

Obviously, they are lacking in optimism like yourself. The proof is in the bag because the team finished strong with the winning record with Dunta. That is a strong indication of Texans being a playoff contender and gives the momentum for the new season.

[TheGoaT]

Perhaps, FO could have protected their investment by making better sound and sensible decision to give Dunta the offer he could not refuse. Instead, the FO played a power card game by tagging Dunta with non-exclusivity deal. That gives upper hand to the managements only. Investment? What investment? You meant, saving green backs for FO and disregarding the chemistry of a team and the true fans? That said, the money is not working hard for the franchise as a whole and the fans but only for interest and the evil power of FO to make more profit.

Obviously, they are lacking in optimism like yourself. The proof is in the bag because the team finished strong with the winning record with Dunta. That is a strong indication of Texans being a playoff contender and gives the momentum for the new season.

Dunta was offered 23mil in guaranteed money and a top 3 contract. So you are saying they should have offered even more than that?? That is your idea of a better business decision? Seriously?

Also you clearly dont understand how the system works. If they dont tag him, he goes to unrestricted free agency. Do you understand at all in your Borat brain what that means? It means he can sign with another team and the Texans lose their investment of a 1st round pick and millions or dollars. Players in the NFL are a business investment. If you had any idea how money has to be balanced to run a team you wouldnt be sitting here like a dufus saying they should just make it rain money on Dunta.

Opinions like yours is what put the team in cap money hell under the last front office. This isnt high school football. Its a billion dollar industry and players are the commodity.

[crunchyfrogs]

I'm really glad to see Dunta back. Actually, I predicted Friday in one of these threads that he would probably sign today in order to get a full week of practice in before the Jets game. It's an ego thing imo.

I'm impressed with the young guys in the DB group, and having Dunta back will only make them better. However, bottom line........we need more pressure on the QB to help out those guys. Barwin, Okam and a couple other backups have been fairly impressive. I'm hoping that Cushing gives us an added dimension. We know Mario will be there, but we sure need Amobi to take his training wheels off.

[wildroot]

Look, it all worked out. Both sides used the system to their advantage.
Having the franchise tag placed on him, Dunta was not required to sign until today. He's done that and now he plays for his next contract. If he excels and we see the Dunta of old, he should be rewarded, if not by this team, then another team.

The Texans excercised their right to protect their investment by placing the tag on Dunta, then signing him to the average of the top 5 at his position to a one year contract.

If he does well this season, he'll be rewarded. If he doesen't do well, well he'll be able to sign for whatever he's offered by this team or test the market.

So it all worked out. The team placed the tag on him as was their right per the CBA and the player excersized his rights to get his 20% increase or the average of the 5 highest salaries at his position, whichever was highest, per the CBA.

It's all good.

[MACwired]

Look, it all worked out. Both sides used the system to their advantage.
Having the franchise tag placed on him, Dunta was not required to sign until today. He's done that and now he plays for his next contract. If he excels and we see the Dunta of old, he should be rewarded, if not by this team, then another team.

The Texans excercised their right to protect their investment by placing the tag on Dunta, then signing him to the average of the top 5 at his position to a one year contract.

If he does well this season, he'll be rewarded. If he doesen't do well, well he'll be able to sign for whatever he's offered by this team or test the market.

So it all worked out. The team placed the tag on him as was their right per the CBA and the player excersized his rights to get his 20% increase or the average of the 5 highest salaries at his position, whichever was highest, per the CBA.

It's all good.

I have to agree on most of the parts of your points of view. I just think that FO could have done better job at making Dunta happier. He is a true talented baller for Texan. Any how, I'm glad that he is with the team sooner.

[Se7en]

Look, it all worked out. Both sides used the system to their advantage.
Having the franchise tag placed on him, Dunta was not required to sign until today. He's done that and now he plays for his next contract. If he excels and we see the Dunta of old, he should be rewarded, if not by this team, then another team.

The Texans excercised their right to protect their investment by placing the tag on Dunta, then signing him to the average of the top 5 at his position to a one year contract.

If he does well this season, he'll be rewarded. If he doesen't do well, well he'll be able to sign for whatever he's offered by this team or test the market.

So it all worked out. The team placed the tag on him as was their right per the CBA and the player excersized his rights to get his 20% increase or the average of the 5 highest salaries at his position, whichever was highest, per the CBA.

It's all good.

It happens from time to time, but I agree with Root 100% on this.

[Se7en]

I have to agree on most of the parts of your points of view. I just think that FO could have done better job at making Dunta happier. He is a true talented baller for Texan. Any how, I'm glad that he is with the team sooner.

Making Dunta happy is not as important as keeping the team's finances in order. If they sign Dunta toa 23 mil 5 year deal, what happens if he gets reinjured in game 1 against the Jets and never plays again? Well... he gets a nice fat paycheck mailed to him for doing nothing. Why do you think the team should take that risk prior to him proving he is back to 100%?

You are glad he is with the team sooner? Sooner than what exactly? Next season? Dunta is MONTHS late and the other plays are much further ahead than he is mentally. Dunta arrived the week paychecks started which means he is officially late in my booker!

You keep praising Dunta without supporting your position other than the fact that you clearly only care that Dunta is taken care of financially. Goat is trying to get you to see the bigger picture, you want Dunta here... Dunta has made it clear he does not want to play for the Texans and would much rather be somewhere else.

[Se7en]

You are a Texans fan POSER, because your interests are popularity of your posts, money and power which is an indication of a strong ego maniac.

Welcome to the boards dude!!! Geez man, you have been here for 7 days now and you already have the regular posters figured out? Goat is a poser because he actually enjoys the team and praises them every chance he gets???

This has to be Dr Ron! He just created a new account after making a fool of himself and now he is doing it again. I would argue that YOU have the ego because you just joined a board and you are acting like everyone should bow down to your superior opinions. We have all been reading your posts and I have yet to see a single person offer up praise to you for you intelligent and thought provoking posts.

Flaming people is the fastest way for you to get a negative reputation here and it will lead to you hating your visits to the forums. The only think you have done that rubbed a few people the wrong way is that you are singing high praises for a person that is hated by MANY fans right now. When we did not join in you began arguing that months and months of discussion on the topic of Dunta are all ill informed and that we shoudl all just be happy to have him around.

Goat is not a bad guy, you two are just at each others throats because you are both polar opposites on the Dunta issue. You do not even appear to be reading his posts, it looks like you are simply trolling and it is getting old.

[TheGoaT]

I wouldnt mind an opposite opinion if he was actually capable of making any sense at all when he posts. Its like he doesnt even read the posts he responds to.

[Se7en]

Its like he doesnt even read the posts he responds to.

That is exactly what I posted... did you read my post? :p

I feel like you are not actually reading the posts goat! ;)

[TheGoaT]

you say something? :D

[TheGoaT]

I have never said FO was wrong..............It is still, ethically, they were wrong at making a hasty deal for Dunta. They have no practical wisdom.

omg I think Im in the twilight zone.

[TheGoaT]

I told you, all the bad rats will get their punishment for bad behavior toward me. Still no cheese for you, even if you try hard to earn it. You are in my territory now.

Is that like some kind of Borat voodoo curse?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_CHG2GRbeET8/SmyXTJjqZvI/AAAAAAAAMBQ/uAvDqRGvQU4/s320/rosetta-stone.jpg

[MACwired]

Is that like some kind of Borat voodoo curse?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_CHG2GRbeET8/SmyXTJjqZvI/AAAAAAAAMBQ/uAvDqRGvQU4/s320/rosetta-stone.jpg

Why don't you use your Rosetta Stone to improve and write better on your behalf. It looks like has been collecting a lot of dust. Now is the time to use it, so that you can make a cohesive arguments towards me. Don't give me that grade school level stuff, I'm not really interested and actually, there's no fun in that.

[Se7en]

Why don't you use your Rosetta Stone to improve and write better on your behalf. It looks like has been collecting a lot of dust. Now is the time to use it, so that you can make a cohesive arguments towards me. Don't give me that grade school level stuff, I'm not really interested and actually, there's no fun in that.

I give you props. I have no idea why it took me so long to figure it out but I finally did. You are trolling us and we totally bit.

What are you... a Cowboy fan, tack fan, or just a random fan getting his jollies off?

[Se7en]

WOW! 18 pages of this?

Dunta's is my favorite player (well, as a player! maybe not so much a business person)


but anyways I'm not going to be reading all 18 pages.

so anyone who has been in the 18 pages of talk please provide me w/ Cliff notes of some sort?

lol... Thanks in advance

4-5 pages can be summed up as Goat talking to Wired and him not actually reading the posts. That or he is just quick to argue with him becaus ehe is misunderstanding Goat as attacking him because he has a differing opinion. He does not seem to want to argue with anyone but Goat though. :)

Other than that it is the exact same Dunta discussion that has been going on for many months and many threads. This time it just has the added entertainment value that Wired has brought.

[MACwired]

WOW! 18 pages of this?

Dunta's is my favorite player (well, as a player! maybe not so much a business person)


but anyways I'm not going to be reading all 18 pages.

so anyone who has been in the 18 pages of talk please provide me w/ Cliff notes of some sort?

lol... Thanks in advance

I'm a Dunta's fan myself. Are'nt you happy to see him back so soon?
Texans '09 season looks much brighter now.

[Se7en]

I'm a Dunta's fan myself. Are'nt you happy to see him back so soon?
Texans '09 season looks much brighter now.

If Dunta got traded to Atlanta you woudl then start posting on their board that the, "Falcons season '09 season looks much brighter now."

Again, you keep saying he is back SOON... you are making it too obvious that you are a Dunta fan here just trolling posters to get a rise out of them.

[wildroot]

It happens from time to time, but I agree with Root 100% on this.

It's snowing in hell....

[Se7en]

It's snowing in hell....

I thought it was a bit chilly! :p

[wildroot]

Everyone here has gone absolutely nuts.... It's like without coog-bull here ya'll are wandering around here without that outlet to unload on.

[MACwired]

I give you props. I have no idea why it took me so long to figure it out but I finally did. You are trolling us and we totally bit.

What are you... a Cowboy fan, tack fan, or just a random fan getting his jollies off?

I get tic off at the posers that they have no business talking negative about Dunta and other players on our team. They tend to sound like they are the owner of the team and throwing fits at the players. It would make more sense to me for them to thread with positive energy. I would like to make suggestions to poser to become a true Texans fan and make the comment on the Texans players more constructively. Now that would be nice.

[Se7en]

How is the money to be paid out to the player over the course of the contract?

I am 100% certain that Rick Smith would have offered Dunta the 23 mil to make him one of the highest paid corners in the league. It was a respectful offer that showed him we valued him as a player.

When Dunta refused it, that hinted at the fact that there must be a injury clause in his contract that if Dunta did not play X number of games in the 5 years he would not get paid. Some form of protection had to be in place in order for the team to make such a huge offer on a player that is such a massive injury risk.

My hope is that Dunta used the "No Franchise Tag" as an excuses to cover his butt so he could miss preseason and come in and still get paid. Perhaps once he has shown that he can make it through this season and what % of his old self he will be playing at... THEN we can see Dunta sign a deal and get some love for a change.

Until then, the way he handled the situation pissed off a ton of fans.

Thanks for bringing some logical discussion to this thread again!!! It is nice to actually discuss the views of the situation rather than tryingt o argue that he was right or wrong.

[naterchamp16]

true dat

[Se7en]

I get tic off at the posers that they have no business talking negative about Dunta and other players on our team. They tend to sound like they are the owner of the team and throwing fits at the players. It would make more sense to me for them to thread with positive energy. I would like to make suggestions to poser to become a true Texans fan and make the comment on the Texans players more constructively. Now that would be nice.

I am going to assume that english is your second language from now on and I do not think I am wrong in that.

That is NOT an insult, you are actually forming very good sentences and english takes a long time to master. I would not be able to go onto a spanish speaking forum and have anywhere near the level of conversation that you have had here.

One bit of friendly advice though, you are trying to argue with people before you fully understand what they are saying. On the other hand, I just said something insulting to you and you thought I was praising you.

Slow down, read the posts, understand them, then hit the reply button.

[Se7en]

Everyone here has gone absolutely nuts.... It's like without coog-bull here ya'll are wandering around here without that outlet to unload on.

It is weird! Since Coogbull left we keep having random posters pop up who troll the heck out of this board and focus on certain members who happened to never agree with Coogbull.

Dr Ron is the first one that recently popped up that comes to mind, but now we have Wired going psycho on us. I guess only the admin could tell us if they are posting from a shared ip address between all the accounts.

[MACwired]

okay! so this is pretty long! hope some of yall take the time to read it... but anyways instead of starting a new thread i'll just add ALL my thoughts on Dunta's situation here

I'm pretty sure everyone was a fan of Dunta until the whole CONTRACT thingamajiggy and the whole not showing up for camp got in the way. I understand. I was mad at DRob, couldn't understand why you won't take the very lucrative contract offered by Rick Smith...

but then it got me thinking...

From Dunta/ or any NFL player's point of view for that matter:

As a player coming off a horrific injury, basically career threatening.
He didn't show up to camp because... well why would you? Especially coming off a horrific injury (one thought to be career threatening). You want to minimize the chances of injury, especially if you aren't under contract and you only get paid for the regular season.
Then I can see why a player would choose not to show up to camp. Although it isn't in the best interest of the Team/Organization/Fans.
But he has got to watch out for himself. It's the NFL. It's a business. One minute a you're the TEAMS most coveted player. The next, you're getting cut, traded, bought out...
I was furious when he didn't show up for camp... but I understand why and its definitely not because he's selfish.


Now not signing the 23million guaranteed contract is another story...
(correct me if the offer amount is wrong)

What really is guarenteed money? How does an NFL contract work? Aren't there provisions and restrictions and certain things that can void or deduct $$$ from a contract?
I mean i know there's incentives if say, a Defensive Back, gets a certain amount of INT's or reaches the Pro-Bowl...
But w/ Dunta's injury, and concerns about his health... don't you think Rick Smith would have certain Playing time or injury type of deal in his contract?
I mean unless Dunta really thinks he deserved more $$$ than that, there has to be a reason other than monetary as to why he didn't sign the contract extension offer.

How is the money to be paid out to the player over the course of the contract?

Dude, you've hit the nail right on the head. These posers don't get it. They are one track minded. You are absolutely right, it is a diplomatic solution and argument you have made for all the nay sayer about Dunta's situation. They've failed to look from Dunta's perspective. No kudos for them what so ever. I command you and a million kudos for you. Thanks

[Yosarian]

The proof is in the bag because the team finished strong with the winning record with Dunta. .


I'll put forth the proposition that since Jesse Nading was brought onto the team the last 6 games that it was because of Jesse Nading, not Dunta that we won 5 of our last 6.

[naterchamp16]

Dude, you've hit the nail right on the head. These posers don't get it. They are one track minded. You are absolutely right, it is a diplomatic solution and argument you have made for all the nay sayer about Dunta's situation. They've failed to look from Dunta's perspective. No kudos for them what so ever. I command you and a million kudos for you. Thanks

k cool we get the idea here and i think we get the F@$kin point so Dunta is gonna play week 1 and whoever chooses to support him can and if you dont who gives a sh$%TTT fer realllll!!!!!

[MACwired]

I am going to assume that english is your second language from now on and I do not think I am wrong in that.

That is NOT an insult, you are actually forming very good sentences and english takes a long time to master. I would not be able to go onto a spanish speaking forum and have anywhere near the level of conversation that you have had here.

One bit of friendly advice though, you are trying to argue with people before you fully understand what they are saying. On the other hand, I just said something insulting to you and you thought I was praising you.

Slow down, read the posts, understand them, then hit the reply button.

If you are offended by my post then it only make sense that you are a poser.

[Se7en]

If you are offended by my post then it only make sense that you are a poser.

Reading... it is an important part of a message board... but who needs it!

[Se7en]

Dude, you've hit the nail right on the head. These posers don't get it. They are one track minded. You are absolutely right, it is a diplomatic solution and argument you have made for all the nay sayer about Dunta's situation. They've failed to look from Dunta's perspective. No kudos for them what so ever. I command you and a million kudos for you. Thanks

What you fail to realize is that we have about 8 more posts just like this where we stated the exact same thing he said. However, you are being Dunta's cheerleader and thus the entire focus is on you and your attitude about Dunta, not actually about Dunta's situation.

What you just quoted as being the perfect post is the exact same thing both Goat and I ahve said the entire time, yet you have chosen not to hear us say it.

WEIRD!

[wildroot]

If you are offended by my post then it only make sense that you are a poser.

TexasSaint may hit the koolaid a little hard sometimes but I can assure you he's no poser.

[Se7en]

TexasSaint may hit the koolaid a little hard sometimes but I can assure you he's no poser.

I am certain he will now call you a poser because he in convinced that I hate this team and his special friend Dunta. :(

Thanks for the kind words though... I am ready for Sunday so this preseason stuff can end and the "season" posts can begin. Although after the Steelers game last year I may be getting ahead of myself a bit.

Dang it root, you rubbed off on me! :)

[wildroot]

I am certain he will now call you a poser because he in convinced that I hate this team and his special friend Dunta. :(

Thanks for the kind words though... I am ready for Sunday so this preseason stuff can end and the "season" posts can begin. Although after the Steelers game last year I may be getting ahead of myself a bit.

Dang it root, you rubbed off on me! :)

Happens to the best of us sometimes.

Hey, if this game against the Jets turns out anything like last years opener, look out baby i'm gonna be out for blood.

But that's NOT going to happen this year. We're going to give Sanchez a Texas welcome into the NFL and it's going to be ALL GOOD!

[Yosarian]

WOW! 18 pages of this?
but anyways I'm not going to be reading all 18 pages.
so anyone who has been in the 18 pages of talk please provide me w/ Cliff notes of some sort?

lol... Thanks in advance

Sure. Here is the basic synapses.

Macwired writes...

"Watching Mario, Demeco and others missed so many tackles"
"But it is very rare to find such a great talented football player with tenacity and will to win in this league"
"and he plays with such a tenacity"
"He sure tackles and tenaciously destroys any offenders big or small"
"Who has the desire, tenacity and a will to win attitude"
"This is why FO made huge mistake"
"How do you know that he is not good anymore? You are not himself. Only Dunta knows"
"It was not a Dunta's decision to be franchised. It is the nasty, cruel and cold business tactic from FO"
"you sound childish and has poor taste of grammar"
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Then houstonsportsfan wrote
"who's ordering the pizza already"
=======================================
Then Macwired writes...
"Texans made the cold unprofessional move on Dunta"
"After all he gave us the identity of tenacious Texans defense "
"It is the front office's poor unethical choice that made Dunta's situation"
"they will keep suffering from having no tenacious energy as Dunta"
"Eat your pizza and stop posting"
"bad handling of business from FO "
------------------------------------
Then Number34 wrote....
"Someone call the Bolts! They are giving away draft picks! "
--------------------------------------------------------
Then MacWired writes...
"Brad F. only played for a short period"
"We have suppose to have a better team than the Vikings and should have won at home. We have many more talented top draft picks than Viking to make my point here"
"Reread the past post again fool"
"First, you're too fat and can't be healthy to have a clear mind to make peaceful classy threads"
"You have spelled wrong on Favre's first name as well. It is Brett"
"On the remarks on who suppose to be a better team, the Texans had more higher first round draft picks than the Vikings "
"Bad little bunny needs a little spanking sometimes for his bad behavior"
"I've got more up my sleeves for pesky little dweeb of the evil mouses running around our True Texans message boards. They are mostly negative and irrelevant to our posts. They need to be trap. I have the formulas to trap them and the punishment is waiting for them"
"All you evil bad mouses are not getting my cheese. "BAD" mouses needs poison or get trapped."
-------------------------------------
Then I posted....
"Are the Detroit Lions the best team in the nfl because they have had the most top picks?"
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Then Macwired writes....
"On the question on the best team, yes Detroit Lions is a better talented team because of their high draft picks "
"He gives all with his tenacity"
"I have never said FO was wrong. I have said they were disappointing for me to see a bad deal. It is still, ethically, they were wrong at making a hasty deal for Dunta"
"Still no cheese for you, even if you try hard to earn it."
"I'm a Dunta's fan myself. Are'nt you happy to see him back so soon?"
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And TheGoaT might have said a few things during the thread but that is pretty much the Quickread.

[wildroot]

Sure. Here is the basic synapses.

Macwired writes...

"Watching Mario, Demeco and others missed so many tackles"
"But it is very rare to find such a great talented football player with tenacity and will to win in this league"
"and he plays with such a tenacity"
"He sure tackles and tenaciously destroys any offenders big or small"
"Who has the desire, tenacity and a will to win attitude"
"This is why FO made huge mistake"
"How do you know that he is not good anymore? You are not himself. Only Dunta knows"
"It was not a Dunta's decision to be franchised. It is the nasty, cruel and cold business tactic from FO"
"you sound childish and has poor taste of grammar"
---------------------------------------------------
Then houstonsportsfan wrote
"who's ordering the pizza already"
=======================================
Then Macwired writes...
"Texans made the cold unprofessional move on Dunta"
"After all he gave us the identity of tenacious Texans defense "
"It is the front office's poor unethical choice that made Dunta's situation"
"they will keep suffering from having no tenacious energy as Dunta"
"Eat your pizza and stop posting"
"bad handling of business from FO "
------------------------------------
Then Number34 wrote....
"Someone call the Bolts! They are giving away draft picks! "
--------------------------------------------------------
Then MacWired writes...
"Brad F. only played for a short period"
"We have suppose to have a better team than the Vikings and should have won at home. We have many more talented top draft picks than Viking to make my point here"
"Reread the past post again fool"
"First, you're too fat and can't be healthy to have a clear mind to make peaceful classy threads"
"You have spelled wrong on Favre's first name as well. It is Brett"
"On the remarks on who suppose to be a better team, the Texans had more higher first round draft picks than the Vikings "
"Bad little bunny needs a little spanking sometimes for his bad behavior"
"I've got more up my sleeves for pesky little dweeb of the evil mouses running around our True Texans message boards. They are mostly negative and irrelevant to our posts. They need to be trap. I have the formulas to trap them and the punishment is waiting for them"
"All you evil bad mouses are not getting my cheese. "BAD" mouses needs poison or get trapped."
-------------------------------------
Then I posted....
"Are the Detroit Lions the best team in the nfl because they have had the most top picks?"
-----------------------------------------------
Then Macwired writes....
"On the question on the best team, yes Detroit Lions is a better talented team because of their high draft picks "
"He gives all with his tenacity"
"I have never said FO was wrong. I have said they were disappointing for me to see a bad deal. It is still, ethically, they were wrong at making a hasty deal for Dunta"
"Still no cheese for you, even if you try hard to earn it."
"I'm a Dunta's fan myself. Are'nt you happy to see him back so soon?"
----------------------------------------------------------

And TheGoaT might have said a few things during the thread but that is pretty much the Quickread.

Yosarian....seriously....get a life....LOL

[Yosarian]

Yosarian....seriously....get a life....LOL
bad evil mouses not get any of my cheese.

:D

[MACwired]

bad evil mouses not get any of my cheese.

:D

True that.

[steelbtexan]

18 pages

WOW

[TheGoaT]

This thread can basically be summed up in a dozen pages of MACwired failing to answer two simple questions that were asked repeatedly:

1. How is using the franchise tag a bad business decision
2. What should they have done instead of using the tag


Most of his responses have to deal with evil mouses and cheese, or crying about ethics and how Dunta could win games by himself because hes the best at everything, and anyone who doesnt give Dunta whatever he wants is a poser, and Brett Favre has an evil brother named Brad, and how all our players are terrible, unless Dunta is there then he puts them together like voltron and they play better.

[Yosarian]

unless Dunta is there then he puts them together like voltron and they play better.
you forgot..they play better with such a tenacity.

[TheGoaT]

the rest of the defense each have a special ring and when they let their powers combine, they summon Captain Dunta who tenaciously beats their opponent.

[Se7en]

im glad i got left out of the synopsis

wow... i never thought it would have dragged out for so long... and he's still arguing

bad bad mouses... all of you

At least you were not around late last night when it all hit the fan. I started feeling like I was the one thatw as crazy! :) I love how he still agrees with people because the sarcasm or criticism doesn't make it past the language barrier.

MACwired is the greatest poster we have ever had on this board... err... I think he called it a "blog" since we are all bloggers.

[Se7en]

the rest of the defense each have a special ring and when they let their powers combine, they summon Captain Dunta who tenaciously beats their opponent.

"EARTH!"
"FIRE!"
"WIND!"
"WATER!"
"HEART!"

"Go DUNTA!"

"By your powers combined, I am Captain DUNTA!"

(music begins)

Captain Dunta, he's our hero
Gonna take offenses down to zero

He's our powers magnified
And he's fighting on the Texans side

Captain Dunta, he's our hero
Gonna take offenses down to zero

Gonna help him put asunder
Other teams who like to pass and plunder

We're the Duntateers
You can be one too
'Cause riding Dunta's sack is the thing to do!

Jeering and booing is not the way
Hear what Captain Dunta has to say!

"The Power is MINE!"

[Texan Naija]

"EARTH!"
"FIRE!"
"WIND!"
"WATER!"
"HEART!"

"Go DUNTA!"

"By your powers combined, I am Captain DUNTA!"

(music begins)

Captain Dunta, he's our hero
Gonna take offenses down to zero

He's our powers magnified
And he's fighting on the Texans side

Captain Dunta, he's our hero
Gonna take offenses down to zero

Gonna help him put asunder
Other teams who like to pass and plunder

We're the Duntateers
You can be one too
'Cause riding Dunta's sack is the thing to do!

Jeering and booing is not the way
Hear what Captain Dunta has to say!

"The Power is MINE!"

Laugh out loud, beautiful and sadly so freaking true.

[TheGoaT]

that is actually quite good, you need to save that one.

[TheGoaT]

here a slight spin off for you:

"TENACITY!"
"UNETHICAL!"
"EVIL MOUSES!"
"NO CHEESE!"
"ROSETTA STONE!"

"By your TEARS combined, I am Captain DUNTA!"

(music begins)

Captain Dunta, he's our hero
Gonna add to his salary with some zero's

He's our cap hit magnified
And he's fighting for MACwired's busted pride

Captain Dunta, he's our hero
Gonna take Bob's wallet down to zero

Gonna help him put asunder
Other teams who like to overpay and blunder

We're the Duntateers
You can be one too
'Cause riding Dunta's sack is the thing to do!

Jeering and booing is not the way
Hear what Captain Dunta has to say!

"The franchise tag is MINE!"

[wildroot]

I wonder what happened to Mike Mickens, cut by Dallas?