Travis Johnson Traded to Chargers

[justin of doom]

Adam_Schefter We have a trade (love trades). Chargers traded for Houston's former first-round pick, DT Travis Johnson.

Via Adam Schefters Twitter

[justin of doom]

Lol, I asked Adam for the details of the trade. He is pretty good at responding.

I am guessing for a 6th round pick.

[jvaldez1984]

Lol, I asked Adam for the details of the trade. He is pretty good at responding.

I am guessing for a 6th round pick.

a guy on the chargers board says 2nd rd pick but who knows how reliable that guy is...

[lonestarpigskin]

Lol, I asked Adam for the details of the trade. He is pretty good at responding.

I am guessing for a 6th round pick.

It's conditional. 6th round minimum if he sucks...5th if he performs.

So, basically, the Texans get a 6th round pick.

[TMac48]

a guy on the chargers board says 2nd rd pick but who knows how reliable that guy is...
If that's true, we just robbed the Chargers...

[TheGoaT]

haha anything above a 7th is robbery imo. Wow Im actually highly surprised if its true. Any link other than twitter?

[TheGoaT]

its on rotoworld now: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3152

[justin of doom]

nailed it :)

[TheGoaT]

rotoworld is pretty critical of the move on the Texans part, but he really hasnt done anything to justify keeping him imo. He would have been a free agent after this year so at least we got something for him imo.

[TheGoaT]

I bet he just backs up the NT for now. I mean hes not even healthy yet.

[TheGoaT]

the best news out of this is it frees up a roster spot. Maybe we get to keep both rookie corners now.

[lonestarpigskin]

rotoworld is pretty critical of the move on the Texans part, but he really hasnt done anything to justify keeping him imo. He would have been a free agent after this year so at least we got something for him imo.

It has a lot to do with the fact Okoye isn't a run stopper...and TJ was an average DT who was average at stopping the run. Take in to account last week's stomping on the ground from the Saints, and everyone is thinking we are gonna get killed on the ground.

I think the Texans played it smart, b/c a 6th is still a steal, and if the change of scenery gives him motivation to get off his fat *****, they get a 5th rounder.

This was a case of trimming the player without dedication, not b/c they felt they were set at DT.

We'll see how they can hold up in the middle tonight against that Vikings rushing attack.

[TexanSacDawg]

rotoworld is pretty critical of the move on the Texans part, but he really hasnt done anything to justify keeping him imo. He would have been a free agent after this year so at least we got something for him imo.

true that ....

[TheGoaT]

Okoye was never really drafted to be a run stopper. Hes a penetrator. We are going to need Okam or Robinson to step up for us.

[kmc1499]

Good bye to Mr Underwhelming

[TexanSacDawg]

Okoye was never really drafted to be a run stopper. Hes a penetrator. We are going to need Okam or Robinson to step up for us.

i like robinson as the run stopper....we will see tho

[blake1776]

OMG. This day gets better and better. ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall.

[TheGoaT]

I am so excited for the game tonight. Cant believe its only preseason.

[Number 34]

See ya TJ. It was good while it lasted. GL with the Bolts!

Glad we got a pick. We will have to see who got the bargain deal. :)

[Sportsjunkie]

An old trader once told me: "Seller ALWAYS knows more than buyer!!!!"

[Number 34]

an old trader once told me: "seller always knows more than buyer!!!!"

qft!

[lonestarpigskin]

yeah and the Texans will have enough food on the buffet table to feed a neighborhood now that Johnson is gone.

Travis: "What, they have all you can eat skrimps here? All right!"

Goodbye Travis...we seriously hardly knew or saw you.

Here's to hoping Deljuan heals up and can be the run stopper they are hoping for.

[wildroot]

Good work Doom, A 6th rounder that could become a 5th if he plays min number of games. What a waste of pick Caserly. Add that to the list of busts you made for us.
Carr 1st rd
T. Johnson 1st rd
Jason Babin 1st rd

And a load of other early rounders.

I say we throw in Dr Ron and a butt doughnut with the trade. He is going to need a proctologist there too.

C'mon dude, be fair to the guy. Even the BEST GMs miss 40% of the time. Some of his picks didn't pan out so bad.

DeMeco
Owen
CC Brown
Dunta
Mario
AJ
DD (or DW)
Chester
Winston

[Se7en]

Good work Doom, A 6th rounder that could become a 5th if he plays min number of games. What a waste of pick Caserly. Add that to the list of busts you made for us.
Carr 1st rd
T. Johnson 1st rd
Jason Babin 1st rd

And a load of other early rounders.

I say we throw in Dr Ron and a butt doughnut with the trade. He is going to need a proctologist there too.

I am just glad we got SOMETHING for him rather than just handing him his walking papers! Good to see we did not end up with a total loss because I am 100% certain we would not have renewed his contract after this season.

[Se7en]

C'mon dude, be fair to the guy. Even the BEST GMs miss 40% of the time. Some of his picks didn't pan out so bad.

DeMeco
Owen
CC Brown
Dunta
Mario
AJ
DD (or DW)
Chester
Winston

How many miss so badly in the FIRST round? Comparing TJ to gems that panned out is apples to oranges. We should have ended up with SOMETHING on the field for the past 4 years, instead TJ did not bring much of an impact to our D-Line even when he was paired with Mario Williams. The fact that Robinson came in last season and looked a little better than TJ was the icing on the cake for me. TJ was overpaid and under motivated.

[Se7en]

judging by the responses so far... this seems to be a pretty popular decision by the FO. (understatement of the season)

Now if we could just trade off Dunta for a 4th rounder and a few pizza coupons.

Dunta would be insulted... he is worth 3 first round picks minimum and at least 4 dozen pizza coupons!

[lonestarpigskin]

C'mon dude, be fair to the guy. Even the BEST GMs miss 40% of the time. Some of his picks didn't pan out so bad.

DeMeco
Owen
CC Brown
Dunta
Mario
AJ
DD (or DW)
Chester
Winston

Of course, it all starts for fans with the David Carr pick. then you bottle in that Ragone, the constant problem to not upgrade both lines, and the 2nd and 3rd they gave up for Phillip Buchanon, and it made it look like he had no idea what he was doing. If the Texans become an AFC power, there will continue to be debate on who made the call on that 06 draft. And of course, you ask Casserly himself, and say he was the mastermind.

[ROUGHNECKS]

You know there has been alot of talk about how good Cody has been doing in camp. He must have made it easy for Kubes and company to say goodbye TJ. From the way they had talk TJ was going to play tonight makes me wonder what happened between Saturday till now.

[Number 34]

Quote from the main page on HT.com

After practice Saturday, Texans coach Gary Kubiak sounded hopeful that Johnson could suit up for tonight's Monday Night Football matchup with Minnesota.

"He will be a game-time decision," Kubiak said. "He looked pretty good moving around, so we'll see where he's at on Monday."

I like the "see where he's at on Monday" meaning San Diego! Heh...he never actually lied.

Remind me never to play poker with Kubes. :)

[wildroot]

Of course, it all starts for fans with the David Carr pick.

I'd be real interested to see what everyone said way back then when we took Carr....just for grins. Hell, I thought it was a good pick. Then when we beat Dallas I KNEW it was!
I think it was Tex Schram on Sirius NFL that said if 40% of your picks make your team you're doing an outstanding job of scouting.

[Number 34]

I'd be real interested to see what everyone said way back then when we took Carr....just for grins. Hell, I thought it was a good pick. Then when we beat Dallas I KNEW it was!
I think it was Tex Schram on Sirius NFL that said if 40% of your picks make your team you're doing an outstanding job of scouting.

Yea you can't really blame them for Carr. He should have been a great QB. Letting him get sacked for a record number of times is their fault though.

[lonestarpigskin]

I'd be real interested to see what everyone said way back then when we took Carr....just for grins. Hell, I thought it was a good pick. Then when we beat Dallas I KNEW it was!
I think it was Tex Schram on Sirius NFL that said if 40% of your picks make your team you're doing an outstanding job of scouting.

I think that's a bit misleading. What about 40% of your picks make the team, AND play at a competitive level. I mean, aren't 40% of the Chiefs' picks making the team?

[TLW]

I'd be real interested to see what everyone said way back then when we took Carr....just for grins. Hell, I thought it was a good pick. Then when we beat Dallas I KNEW it was!
I think it was Tex Schram on Sirius NFL that said if 40% of your picks make your team you're doing an outstanding job of scouting.

Don't know how long Sirius has been around but Tex has been dead for the last 6 or 7 years..

maybe you're thinking of somebody else?

[wildroot]

How many miss so badly in the FIRST round? Comparing TJ to gems that panned out is apples to oranges. We should have ended up with SOMETHING on the field for the past 4 years, instead TJ did not bring much of an impact to our D-Line even when he was paired with Mario Williams. The fact that Robinson came in last season and looked a little better than TJ was the icing on the cake for me. TJ was overpaid and under motivated.

I've just got this uneasy feeling that we're gonna miss him at some point this year. I know he never panned out like a 1st rounder should, but he was in that middle pack of D-lineman that every team has plus he wasn't injured that much while he was here. Could be due to him not playing hard....

[wildroot]

Don't know how long Sirius has been around but Tex has been dead for the last 6 or 7 years..

maybe you're thinking of somebody else?

You're right...not Tex but Gil Brandt.

[TLW]

You're right...not Tex but Gil Brandt.

Okey dokey..Gil is a bright guy.

Tex WAS as well but like I said he's long gone.

[wildroot]

Okey dokey..Gil is a bright guy.

Tex WAS as well but like I said he's long gone.

I knew it was one of those former Cowboy guys...They all look the same to me....

[Se7en]

I'd be real interested to see what everyone said way back then when we took Carr....just for grins. Hell, I thought it was a good pick. Then when we beat Dallas I KNEW it was!
I think it was Tex Schram on Sirius NFL that said if 40% of your picks make your team you're doing an outstanding job of scouting.

How is this for a trip down memory lane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZP6pAgFqHU

I have watched this a few times over the past few years and everytime I cringe when they sing their praises for Carr. I find it comical and think back on this each year when we roll around to draft time and everyone is preaching about X player as the chosen one.

[theyoungNwild]

(cues the Hallelujah coruse)

THANK GOD! I knew today was a good day. From the moment I walked into the brisk 80 degree cool air this morning, till right now. YAY! Happy early birthday to me :)

[protoTexans]

We'll see how they can hold up in the middle tonight against that Vikings rushing attack.

Yes, because the Saints are no Petersons Minn... Maybe Bush will shed a lil more light on our Blitzing Pkgs & try to stop the run from becoming a waterfall at the D Lines expense...

[SlatonBrigade]

Yay.....hopefully we are not done yet. We still need a run stuffer

[Number 34]

Was reading the Chargers message boards. The homerism for TJ is strong. I kind of feel bad for them.

Here is a typical post:

Exactly. He didn't have the talent around him in Houston that he will in San Diego. Sometimes a change of scenery provides a little extra motivation...especially when it's a change to a Super Bowl contender.

I lol on that one.

[SlatonBrigade]

Not a terrible player, just a significant underperformer and one of the last remaining failures from the former regime. He had three years remaining (counting this year) on the original $10.2 Million deal that he signed in 2005 ($7.7 Million guaranteed). The remaining schedule is as follows: (2009) $1,030,000; (2010) $1,352,500; (2011) $1,675,000. Does anyone know what the salary cap implications of the trade are?

[SlatonBrigade]

LOL.....I was at that draft in NYC with 3 other people and remember us all looking at each other going Who the F^&K is Jason Babin?

[zanth91]

He was trash, as a player and a person. I'm glad I don't have to talk about him anymore.

[lonestarpigskin]

LOL.....I was at that draft in NYC with 3 other people and remember us all looking at each other going Who the F^&K is Jason Babin?

I remember watching a local TV piece on Babin after he was drafted...they took him out to buy his 1st pair of boots, and the whole segment I kept thinking "Boy this guy looks doughy and non intimidating for a defensive end/linebacker"

[TheGoaT]

you know TJ might actually do ok down the road in SD. He was drafted as a 3-4 DT, when we switched the Texans to a 4-3, we tried to make him something he wasnt. He's back in a 3-4 so good for him. lol at SD calling themselves SuperBowl contenders. They are supposedly contenders every year for the last like 5 years.

[done88]

I will say he was the best run stopper we had last year. That does not mean he is good. He was just the best of a poor bunch. I was hoping that maybe he would get a little better this year and be servicable. After last weeks beating I thought maybe he would be a glimmer of hope. Now that he is gone where will the re-enforcments come from. I'm very worried the defensive middle is going to be very bad for a while. I hope last week was an exception and Omobi, Frank, and Shaun step up. But I'm not optomistic. Maybe when Smith moves down the line will be better. With that said you dance with the one you brought so heres to a breakout season for the defense.

[Texan Heat]

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/2580/with-johnson-dealt-texans-look-to-other-dts


from the article :


"While I was in Houston recently, Johnson was still out recovering from surgery to repair a sports hernia. But the company line was that while Johnson got a lot of grief from the media and fans, he ate up blockers the way the team wanted him to. Maybe it’s reasonable to think now, they were just trying to keep his image as polished as they could knowing they were going to try to get something for him."


Sounds like good strategy to me... keep it up!

it's nothing new though, used car salesmen have been doing it for years.

How long do you think it will take the Chargers to realize that they just bought a lemon? :D

[TheGoaT]

if he pulled his head up from the rack of jelly donuts he would have seen the writing on the wall.

[Texan Heat]

hey.... i like jelly donuts.

MMMMMMMmmmmmmm... Homer likes lemon jelly donuts....... (slobbering)

*Simpsons humor*

[Number 34]

[url]
"I was stunned," Johnson said about the trade. "I'm not mad at the Texans because I know this is just business, but, man, I'm still stunned. I didn't see it coming."

Was he stunned about being traded or stunned that a team would actually give up a draft pick for him?

[Texan Heat]

Was he stunned about being traded or stunned that a team would actually give up a draft pick for him?

Probably the ladder of the two and I hope he works his tail off so we can get a fifth vs a sixth pick

[Number 34]

Probably the ladder of the two and I hope he works his tail off so we can get a fifth vs a sixth pick

More likey the Chargers will swear it was only a 7th. :)

[thunderkyss]

AT the time, I was happy with the team drafting Carr. Hindsight of course is 20/20



For the record, there was nothing wrong with the Carr pick.

It's what we did after drafting him that was the F' up.

[Wolfscar]

I'd just like to point out that I have been saying that we're offloading Travis Johnson all offseason. I don't mean to gloat or anything, but every time I said it - every depth chart that didn't include the guy, every comment about how he sucks so very hard - was met with disbelief, scorn, condescension ...

I feel vindicated. :)

[fdknuckles]

I'd have taken a 6 pack let alone a 6th runder for TJ.

[VBot]

So where are all the Travis Johnson fan club members that thought this guy was the sh@t? Heh? I say if the coaches got rid of him, he wasn't that great, as I said before. Thank you & Good Night...

[Neo]

Glad we traded TJ

[VBot]

Glad we traded TJ

It wouldn't have mattered, Adrian Peterson is a beast. Our guys look as if they are still at the Saints Game. All Of Them...

[Neo]

It wouldn't have mattered, Adrian Peterson is a beast. Our guys look as if they are still at the Saints Game. All Of Them...Might as well not play the game then if Adrian Peterson is on the field, lol

[VBot]

Might as well not play the game then if Adrian Peterson is on the field, lol

No, I'm just saying TJ wouldn't be able to stop this guy. That's all. I didn't mean it's not worth playing the game. The guy is just that bad a@@. Look on your TV. Tell me he's not.

[Neo]

No, I'm just saying TJ wouldn't be able to stop this guy. That's all. I didn't mean it's not worth playing the game. The guy is just that bad a@@. Look on your TV. Tell me he's not.and last week it was the bad a@@ Mike Bell

[VBot]

and last week it was the bad a@@ Mike Bell


Fu-nny. Okay, so would you put Mike Bell in the same category as Adrian Peterson? I never said Mike Bell was Bad a@@. Now if your saying this defensive line sucks, I agree. Don't get ahead of yourself and think TJ would make a big difference. There's a reason Baltimore (A very defensive minded team) traded him. And why did we trade him if he's that good as you may imply? Heh? LOL

[Neo]

Fu-nny. Okay, so would you put Mike Bell in the same category as Adrian Peterson? I never said Mike Bell was Bad a@@. Now if your saying this defensive line sucks, I agree. Don't get ahead of yourself and think TJ would make a big difference. There's a reason Baltimore (A very defensive minded team) traded him. And why did we trade him if he's that good as you may imply? Heh? LOL
Who did Baltimore trade?

[VBot]

Who did Baltimore trade?

Actually, I think they let his Greatness go. He's gonna take the Chergers to the Super Bowl...

[Neo]

Actually, I think they let his Greatness go. He's gonna take the Chergers to the Super Bowl...Who the hell you talking about?

[VBot]

Who the hell you talking about?


Oops, wrong guy, I can admit when I'm wrong, but anyway, he'll take the Chargers to the SB.


In Madden 10 that is.

[SuperstarII]

6th round pick! LOL!

[TLW]

Great place to go for Travis. I suspect they are expected to be in the playoffs again.

Eh..I wish him well. For where he was picked he should have been an more impactful player but things didn't go that way for whatever reason.

[fdknuckles]

How much you wanna bet, McMairs wallet sighed in relief when this deal went through

[Texan Naija]

Personally, I'm shocked and a little sad to see TJ go.

I was hoping that with the new defensive coaches, we finally might see him live up to the potential he was drafted for. There was no way, you could convince me, he was committed to the team, nor that he was anything but solid for our defensive line, although sadly his talent never really came out to the levels where he could be seen as a true talent for us.

Still, Smith isn't one to play and he is probably more willing to gamble on cheaper and younger talent like Deljuan and Okam rather then keep TJ around being paid 1st round money to just be solid. I wish him the best, although if he fails and manages to come back and win a backup job in TC next season I will happy as well. My best wishes to him and I hope he knows he is still a Texan to some of the fans.


Unless he meets the team on the other side of the field...

[Yosarian]

One word sums it up for me......

FINALLY!

Great job FO!

[Humble1]

One word sums it up for me......

FINALLY!

Great job FO!

What Yo said!

[ubecool454]

If that's true, we just robbed the Chargers...

We robbed them..lol. Travis Johnson is the winner in this deal because he is from Cali and he is with a better team now that will probably get the most out of him. I know most teams doesn't show everything in preseason but the Texans defense is still not what it needs to be and it wasn't Travis Johnsons fault. The Texans just seem be missing that dawg player with the nasty attitude....Travis Johnson had that mean streak even though his physical talents didn't match up. Good luck to Travis Johnson because I bet he is laughing now.

[Number 34]

We robbed them..lol. Travis Johnson is the winner in this deal because he is from Cali and he is with a better team now that will probably get the most out of him. I know most teams doesn't show everything in preseason but the Texans defense is still not what it needs to be and it wasn't Travis Johnsons fault. The Texans just seem be missing that dawg player with the nasty attitude....Travis Johnson had that mean streak even though his physical talents didn't match up. Good luck to Travis Johnson because I bet he is laughing now.

Yea he has the sweet life now. They signed him because they needed depth due to injuries. He is now second string and will probably get some serious bench time which is what he wants. He is going to milk the Chargers and probably one other team like Ahman Green did us. Anyway we are rid of him so yea bye bye.

BTW If you think the Chargers are better than the Texans you go with him. Have fun on the beach.

[BoltNut]

Hearing of the trade for T. Johnson, I thought I'd stop by and say "Hi" to all you Texans fans. Don't worry, I'm no Troll. I'm to old to be a troll.

It sounds like TJ was not on everyone's Christmas card list around here. From what I've read, injuries are a problem as well as maybe attitude? As far as the eating issue, Cromartie says that the food at Charger camp sucks. This may be a positive. :D

I've really heard nothing negative other than the sports hernia thing. His stats don't really show much so I thought I'd stop by and ask you guys. From what I've seen the Texans seem to be about ready to make some noise this year. I wish you luck. Here's to an injury free season.

[TheGoaT]

all jokes aside the problem with TJ in Houston was that he was out of position when we switched to a 4-3, and he underperformed for what we paid for him. Since you run a 3-4 and are probably using him as depth, he will probably work out for you.

[WaldovonPutz]

Hearing of the trade for T. Johnson, I thought I'd stop by and say "Hi" to all you Texans fans. Don't worry, I'm no Troll. I'm to old to be a troll.

It sounds like TJ was not on everyone's Christmas card list around here. From what I've read, injuries are a problem as well as maybe attitude? As far as the eating issue, Cromartie says that the food at Charger camp sucks. This may be a positive. :D

I've really heard nothing negative other than the sports hernia thing. His stats don't really show much so I thought I'd stop by and ask you guys. From what I've seen the Texans seem to be about ready to make some noise this year. I wish you luck. Here's to an injury free season.

His attitude is a little nasty on the field but that is not a bad thing. He was our starter while he was healthy. The "overeater" thing is just a bunch of crap that some so called fans liked to yak about. We have "whipping boys" on this board and Travis was one, though many like myself thought he was okay. Many blamed Travis for the Trent Green incident although it was Greens fault and Travis was the victim. Sage Rosenfels was another and so called True Fans called them garbage, terrible, etc. It is a mind set they get. Both players were traded, not cut, as they are professional football players. The Chargers got good value for a future 6th round pick which is what we hear was the deal.

[TheGoaT]

5th round if he plays enough.

[BoltNut]

We do currently run a 3-4, but as you all know R. Rivera came from a 4-3 system with the Bears. We've been wondering if a switch is on the horizon. It won't happen overnight, but possibly phased in over time with the occasional 'tweek' here and there.

TJ seems to be a pretty good run stuffer which we have needed for quite some time. The Steelers and a few others just ran us over last season. Also our short pass coverage suffered greatly. Moreno was cut and Olshanski sent to the Cowgirls. We were able to address the Linebacker vacancy with Bennett but the DE position was still a question. TJ sounds like a great fit for what we needed. There are some other areas of concern for the Bolts, but we all appear to be quite positive and like the results of most of the off-season acquisitions. With rosters needing to be cut down to 53, there may be a corner out there we could pick up to bolster the backfield a little. Injuries have plagued us over the past two years, I only hope it's not happening again.

Hopefully all this works out for both of us. I've been over at one of the Colts message boards and made a prediction that the Texans were the team to watch out for. That one got a few responses.

[Yosarian]

TJ seems to be a pretty good run stuffer which we have needed for quite some time. .


oh really..i guess if you call one tackle a game a run stuffer than ok.

[BoltNut]

5th round if he plays enough.

If he's healthy enough, I'm sure he'll play enough.... looks to me like you'll get the 5th.

[BoltNut]

oh really..i guess if you call one tackle a game a run stuffer than ok.

The way we were giving up the runs last season, maybe we're being optimistic. If he can fill the gap and even be an obstruction, it would be an improvement.

[Number 34]

TJ seems to be a pretty good run stuffer which we have needed for quite some time. The Steelers and a few others just ran us over last season.

We had TJ last year and the Steelers and many others ran all over us too. We were like 23rd vs the run last year. Anyway GL. Hope he pans out for you. Don't forget to reenforce the bench.

[Yosarian]

The way we were giving up the runs last season, maybe we're being optimistic. If he can fill the gap and even be an obstruction, it would be an improvement.

Desperate times call for desperate measures eh? lol

Well, consider this,,,,,,even a dead guy will fill a gap and be an obstruction. you should go read the tj thread before he got cut. wait a sec i'll go find the link

[BoltNut]

Desperate times call for desperate measures eh? lol

Well, consider this,,,,,,even a dead guy will fill a gap and be an obstruction.

hmmmm...... maybe we should have just shot Olshanski then?

[Yosarian]

hmmmm...... maybe we should have just shot Olshanski then?

lol no that would not be good. Ha!\
heres a good read on TJ. Some love him but they refused to tell me why. I waited for months for one statistic or proof he was any good to no avail

http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=12475&highlight=travis

[BoltNut]

lol no that would not be good. Ha!\
heres a good read on TJ. Some love him but they refused to tell me why. I waited for months for one statistic or proof he was any good to no avail

http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=12475&highlight=travis

Interesting read. Some mixed reactions, but that's the case with most every fan base. I hope we can supply some stats and proof that TJ is good. We'll all just have to wait and see. If nothing pans out with him, you can bet he won't last here either. AJ Smith won't put up with a lot of BS from players. If he does do well, he'll be rewarded. I just don't see a long term contract until we see some consistency.

Thanks for the link.

[Yosarian]

Interesting read. Some mixed reactions, but that's the case with most every fan base. I hope we can supply some stats and proof that TJ is good. We'll all just have to wait and see. If nothing pans out with him, you can bet he won't last here either. AJ Smith won't put up with a lot of BS from players. If he does do well, he'll be rewarded. I just don't see a long term contract until we see some consistency.

Thanks for the link.

He was given a lot of time here to improve and nothing seemed to work so i wonder if he can play well. If you look at his statistics he is last in the league of DT's every year he started for us. Not very encouraging but you never know. Maybe this is the wake up call for him. If he continues to be lazy and not try he will find himself out of the nfl for good.

Best of luck to your team. Just don't think TJ is going to be your savior. He may be a decent depth guy though and he certainly has experience.

[BoltNut]

He was given a lot of time here to improve and nothing seemed to work so i wonder if he can play well. If you look at his statistics he is last in the league of DT's every year he started for us. Not very encouraging but you never know. Maybe this is the wake up call for him. If he continues to be lazy and not try he will find himself out of the nfl for good.

Best of luck to your team. Just don't think TJ is going to be your savior. He may be a decent depth guy though and he certainly has experience.

Thanks, good luck to you as well. I don't think we're looking for a 'savior' in TJ. At the moment, he is considered 2nd team. We had little depth at that position, so now he's someone who can step in and fill the spot. If he does better, he may have found a home. We've got some guys on the defense that demand double teams, like Merriman, Jamal Williams and Phillips. Maybe that will allow TJ to contribute more. All we can do is hope.

[BoltNut]

I'm with you on that. Maybe we just didn't know how to use him...Ok maybe not, just shoot me for saying that.

Yeah, maybe a change of scenery will do him some good. Besides, we have all those casinos around here and some really great buffets..... he may really like it here.

[BoltNut]

I'm telling you Bolt, if he gets around those buffets, you will never see him around the trainning room again except for when he picks up his check.
On a serious note, he played some good games before. It's getting him motivated to do it regularly that's the problem.

It should be pretty interesting. Merriman has been jumping on some players about giving up on plays too soon and not pursuing enough. If there's any sloppy activity, that guy is all over it. Cromartie got an ear full not too long ago. The guys out here see this season as their chance to go all the way. I don't think any 'deadwood' will be around for long. Being that this is a contract year and a fresh start for him, he may do well. If not, it could be a last stop on the way to early retirement. I hope he does well, we need a little more nastiness on our defense.

[TheGoaT]

you guys need to make sure Larry English turns into a stud, I drafted him in a rookie draft in one of my dynasty leagues.

[outofhnd]

Hey you can bash on TJ all you want I will always remember him as the player that ended Trent Edwards forgettable career.

[Number 34]

I think Trent ended his own career by trying to take TJ's knees out.

Yea. There should be a rule banning QBs from making a block. The stupid just comes out when they do it.

[Yosarian]

Hey you can bash on TJ all you want I will always remember him as the player that ended Trent Edwards forgettable career.
Trent Edwards? Trent Green????perhaps. lol

[Coach]

the bottom line with the farve block is that eugene should've had his head on a swivel and not ran into the block...i know it's fast but just like i coach my DB's...you can't just assume the block is going to come high...that's how careers are ended

as for the block...yeah it was a cheap block...but it's also football...you're asking a 40 yr old Farve to block...first off the guy who called that play should be fired...you're putting the franchise at risk with that dumbarse call...trust me you won't see brady lined up wide and being asked to block...nor would you see peyton manning out there either...it's just too risky and too stupid

hopefully eugene makes a fast recovery because we got nothing behind him...and i mean nothing...if i'm smith/kubiak...once those cuts start...i'm grabbing every decent safety available...cause harrison isn't worth starting...busing/ferguson are SS's and so is Barber...and none of those three should be starting the NFL either...all quality back-ups

[ubecool454]

Yea you can't really blame them for Carr. He should have been a great QB. Letting him get sacked for a record number of times is their fault though.

carr caused more than half of those sacks by doing things like running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage and his inability to read defenses didn't help at all. The Oline can't hold the defense off forever.

[Dime]

the bottom line with the farve block is that eugene should've had his head on a swivel and not ran into the block...i know it's fast but just like i coach my DB's...you can't just assume the block is going to come high...that's how careers are ended

as for the block...yeah it was a cheap block...but it's also football...you're asking a 40 yr old Farve to block...first off the guy who called that play should be fired...you're putting the franchise at risk with that dumbarse call...trust me you won't see brady lined up wide and being asked to block...nor would you see peyton manning out there either...it's just too risky and too stupid

hopefully eugene makes a fast recovery because we got nothing behind him...and i mean nothing...if i'm smith/kubiak...once those cuts start...i'm grabbing every decent safety available...cause harrison isn't worth starting...busing/ferguson are SS's and so is Barber...and none of those three should be starting the NFL either...all quality back-ups

Nah.. I dont think they guy who called that play had any clue that Favre wouldnt just get out of the way (being a experience NFL player and 40). He probably rolled his eyes and cringed when Brett was going to tackle. I think this was Brett improvising. Poorly.

[raginbull]

carr caused more than half of those sacks by doing things like running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage and his inability to read defenses didn't help at all. The Oline can't hold the defense off forever.

how good of a read can you make with about 1.3 seconds per drop back? Carr used his scrambling ability and kept things alive on many occasions. The ***** is the guy who makes a 36 million dollar investment and fails to protect it.

[twinsfan]

the bottom line with the farve block is that eugene should've had his head on a swivel and not ran into the block...i know it's fast but just like i coach my DB's...you can't just assume the block is going to come high...that's how careers are ended

as for the block...yeah it was a cheap block...but it's also football...you're asking a 40 yr old Farve to block...first off the guy who called that play should be fired...you're putting the franchise at risk with that dumbarse call...trust me you won't see brady lined up wide and being asked to block...nor would you see peyton manning out there either...it's just too risky and too stupid

hopefully eugene makes a fast recovery because we got nothing behind him...and i mean nothing...if i'm smith/kubiak...once those cuts start...i'm grabbing every decent safety available...cause harrison isn't worth starting...busing/ferguson are SS's and so is Barber...and none of those three should be starting the NFL either...all quality back-ups

Thanks Coach you took the words out of my mouth.... like Favre said, 13 days ago I was weedeating. 13 days ago Eugene was preparing for this season and everything that comes with playing football. If it had been a reverse, the block would have been legal..... Don't hate Favre, he wasn't trying to be dirty or cheap.

As for this thread... I can see some of SD's fan opinions, TJ wasn't surrounded by the talent that they have.... guess that will help them sleep better at night, until reality sets in.

[WaldovonPutz]

how good of a read can you make with about 1.3 seconds per drop back? Carr used his scrambling ability and kept things alive on many occasions. The ***** is the guy who makes a 36 million dollar investment and fails to protect it.

You're completely ignoring his record at Carolina. They supposedly had a great line until Carr had to start. Then, magically they allowed a bunch of sacks! Couldn't have been your boy Carr, could it? The fans hated him there and he was CUT, not traded, after being dropped to 3rd string behind a has been and a rookie. Apparently the Giants coach is salvaging his career as a caretaker backup so maybe he will earn his salary now.

[BoltNut]

Thanks Coach you took the words out of my mouth.... like Favre said, 13 days ago I was weedeating. 13 days ago Eugene was preparing for this season and everything that comes with playing football. If it had been a reverse, the block would have been legal..... Don't hate Favre, he wasn't trying to be dirty or cheap.

As for this thread... I can see some of SD's fan opinions, TJ wasn't surrounded by the talent that they have.... guess that will help them sleep better at night, until reality sets in.

I don't think we'll sleep better until we finally get a championship. If somehow TJ is a part of that reality, he'll be a welcome addition. If this "reality" you speak of does come about, he won't be around long enough to get seconds at the buffet.

By the way, I see the pic of the two cheerleaders on your post..... Do they clone good looking cheerleaders down there in Houston??

[twinsfan]

hey Boltnut, welcome to the board!

As for TJ, he has been such a let down... wasted a first round pick on him, and he has not performed well. I know your GM is a hardcase, and he will kick him to the curb when he gets fed up with TJ. It's just not being an underachiever, he doesn't play smart (stupid penalties), and he looks like he doesn;t give much effort. I guess Norv liked talking to him, he is personable, and thought he was getting a good deal. Maybe he will see the writing on the wall and step his play up, then good for you and good for us!

Don't tell anyone but they do all the cloning up at Texas A&M!

[BoltNut]

hey Boltnut, welcome to the board!

As for TJ, he has been such a let down... wasted a first round pick on him, and he has not performed well. I know your GM is a hardcase, and he will kick him to the curb when he gets fed up with TJ. It's just not being an underachiever, he doesn't play smart (stupid penalties), and he looks like he doesn;t give much effort. I guess Norv liked talking to him, he is personable, and thought he was getting a good deal. Maybe he will see the writing on the wall and step his play up, then good for you and good for us!

Don't tell anyone but they do all the cloning up at Texas A&M!

A big thank you to Mr Commissioner for the info on Larisa and Marisa.... wow!
I'm glad to see the folks at Texas A&M doing such fine (and I do mean FINE) research. The have great taste in music too.. Rascal Flats and Kenny Chesney... throw in Trace Atkins and you've got my music collection. You can't have too many of those good lookin' ladies. We've got a few cheerleaders out here that need cloning too. LOL

http://www.chargers.com/charger-girls/squad-2008-2009.html

Regarding TJ, you brought up the thing about him that concerns me the most... stupid penalties. Honestly, we get enough of those already. Some are the usual referee b.s. calls, but an awful lot of them are just plain stupid. Movement calls on offense killed a lot of drives last year. Contact and P.I. calls kept our defense on the field far more than necessary. We can't afford to have these things happen again this year. I love the idea of having a guy with passion on defense as long as he can keep it under control.

[thunderkyss]

You're completely ignoring his record at Carolina. They supposedly had a great line until Carr had to start. Then, magically they allowed a bunch of sacks! Couldn't have been your boy Carr, could it? The fans hated him there and he was CUT, not traded, after being dropped to 3rd string behind a has been and a rookie. Apparently the Giants coach is salvaging his career as a caretaker backup so maybe he will earn his salary now.

Carr was crap the last few years he was here in Houston.

Our F.O. was crap for allowing what happened to Carr to happen.

He's throwing the ball pretty good in New York.

There were screw-ups on all sides of the David Carr experiment. Just like Grossman, he was very talented coming out of college. Neither developed the way they were "supposed" to, for whatever reason.....

Why argue about it? You're right, he's right.... we're all right. All right?

[doveslayer665]

man, i thought we would just release him.
well he is san diego's problem now!