View Full Version : What play would you guys have called on that 4th & goal?
SUPERTANK
10-12-2009, 02:15 AM
Seriously,
I would have called for a QB sneak but I still don't think he (Matt) would have made it in...
I think Steve would have gotton the ball across the plane with his low center of gravity but again, our line had no push what so ever; they were going backwards!
We need a new Center!
On a good note, the Defense is getting alot better! Good to see reeves back and the front four is starting to get pressure on the QB and I really was impressed with how the Texans came back in the second half being down 21 points.
brown fumbles against Jacksonville and now he blew his second chance against the Cards; it would have been a great way to redeem himself but he will not be a Texan next year
Yosarian
10-12-2009, 03:26 AM
qb sneak. it's worked for the nfl the last 20 years.
TexHorns
10-12-2009, 05:09 AM
With the push they got, there was no way he was getting in there. Maybe Slaton could have gone over the top but I doubt it. I watched that play in slow motion and the DTs got off the ball so fast it looked like they moved at the exact time our line did. I do have to agree with Kubiak that in the NFL you have to be able to run the ball a yard when the game is on the line, much less a foot/inches. Basically he was calling out his players to give it their all and they did. When they come up short time after time on these short yardage runs it just highlights our weakness in the middle. I think the call was OK but now we have to accept the fact we arent going to get any push up front and resort to something else for now. Maybe a screen to Leach would have got it in?
Whiskeyrbl
10-12-2009, 05:27 AM
PA to Brown Zig-route to Casey or Daniels to the right side.
tgriff00
10-12-2009, 06:28 AM
Seriously,
I would have called for a QB sneak but I still don't think he (Matt) would have made it in...
I think Steve would have gotton the ball across the plane with his low center of gravity but again, our line had no push what so ever; they were going backwards!
We need a new Center!
On a good note, the Defense is getting alot better! Good to see reeves back and the front four is starting to get pressure on the QB and I really was impressed with how the Texans came back in the second half being down 21 points.
brown fumbles against Jacksonville and now he blew his second chance against the Cards; it would have been a great way to redeem himself but he will not be a Texan next year
Put Slaton in the game, fake FB dive then toss it to Slaton outside and let him race to the pylon.
houstonsportsfan09
10-12-2009, 06:54 AM
First I would insert Andre Johnson in the game. And as Yosarian and Tgriff said, either QB sneak or do a sweep or toss for Slaton. If not, PA.
ShowMeTexan
10-12-2009, 08:13 AM
Fade to AJ. Run was sucking all game. Brown is not trust worthy.
QB sneak may have worked if we had a QB like Terry Bradshaw but our QB is not that type.
TexansFan99
10-12-2009, 08:35 AM
I was surprised they didn't run the QB sneak. I wonder if the Texans was just worried about him getting hurt.
Texaholic
10-12-2009, 08:37 AM
What we would call dosnt even matter.
The problem is we have this "undersized and more moblie" o-line that theyre trying to use to ram the ball down the throat of a regular sized d-line. He brought in this group and he SHOULD know how to use them properly.
Vitruvian
10-12-2009, 08:56 AM
I would have handed it off to Vonta. Anyways, I watched the replay a few times and could have sworn that I saw the ball on the line. From the camera angle on the goal line when one of their guys crosses from right to left to help push from within the endzone in the middle of the group there is a small hole where you can see a ball right up from the line. Even if I am not sure about it then it probably wasn't right. I say this because I was another guy on our team that I thought was Brown and it actually ended up being Vonta. What happened was the penetration got so deep that Vonta was stuffed so Brown had to go around. I also think that if Brown wasn't afraid of losing the ball like last time and stretched out on 2nd down we would have scored. Oh well.
Dunta_23
10-12-2009, 09:34 AM
As a football team if you cant get in from the 1 on 3 consecutive chances you dont have much of a chance...First off I would have given it to Slaton, not Brown(who lacks confidence and drive)
I would have run the first 2 downs for sure...and probably PA on 3rd down...definately would have had AJ on the field...To at least be a decoy
outofhnd
10-12-2009, 09:42 AM
I wouldve run the 4th and goal play on 3rd and goal and ran a toss sweep and let brown take the edge. or slaton race to the pylon. as bad as our interior line was we neede to run more off the edge
TexasToro
10-12-2009, 09:43 AM
As a football team if you cant get in from the 1 on 3 consecutive chances you dont have much of a chance...First off I would have given it to Slaton, not Brown(who lacks confidence and drive)
I would have run the first 2 downs for sure...and probably PA on 3rd down...definately would have had AJ on the field...To at least be a decoy
I totally agree with you. Why in the world does this team continue to put critical carries into Chris Brown's hands. I would have rather had Moats running the ball than Brown. Please send him back to Tennessee.
Dunta_23
10-12-2009, 09:44 AM
On a sidenote...Can we not come up with some sort of "Jumbo package" for goal line situations? and maybe come up with some trickery?
Maybe line up a guy like Casey at QB with Barwin and Mario as the 2 TE's and have OD and AJ out there as well??? Vrabel has been doing it for years, 11 rec, 11 td's
At least make the defense have to account for some people on the field...if you can name me a team that is afraid of Chris Brown coming at them I'd be suprised...Line Mario up at RB and see if they can stuff him...With our so called offensive genius as a headcoach he certainly doesnt do anything to creative with the talent we have
twinsfan
10-12-2009, 09:45 AM
seeing as how we had not been productive on the ground all day I would have called a pass... but if we had to run it, Moats to the left on a pitch. He is sooo much quicker than Steve or Chris he might have gotten in on the edge.
texan9885
10-12-2009, 10:17 AM
I don't know why Matt can't just go up to Myers goose him and go, defense would be off gaurd and Myers would have the upper hand then..... :mad:
bigmck
10-12-2009, 10:23 AM
When they lined up, I thought "what play would I call". It was a full yard so I would not have done the QB sneak. Every Cardinal was in the middle. Something on the outside would have worked. They had been throwing little out passes to Leach and Slaton all day. That would have worked. AJ should have been in the game also. Our OL was just stopped. There was no hole for the back to go through. This wasn't Schaub's loss. He played a good game. The play calling is what lost this game. The players are not that bad, but the coaches are.
ubecool454
10-12-2009, 10:26 AM
As a football team if you cant get in from the 1 on 3 consecutive chances you dont have much of a chance...First off I would have given it to Slaton, not Brown(who lacks confidence and drive)
I would have run the first 2 downs for sure...and probably PA on 3rd down...definately would have had AJ on the field...To at least be a decoy
Its not that Brown lacks confidence or drive but you put a cold RB in the game that hasn't had but a few carries on the previous drive.....just tell me how is he going to get in the groove coming in cold?
Wildbill703
10-12-2009, 10:30 AM
Leach in the backfield, slaton wide left with daniels inside. AJ lined up on the left. daniels and slaton cross, daniels to corner, slaton to back of endzone then cross left to right. AJ to right corner.
Leach fakes dive play up the middle. Pass to the open reciever. Or QB keeper on a following dive.
I would not try a honest up the gut run with our O-line from the 1. Or anywhere else for that matter.
Sprtsfanatic
10-12-2009, 11:34 AM
brown had a similar run earlier in the game...the play call wasnt the problem other than the jump pass by schaub going to his left....he's not a mobile qb and having him roll left was suicide...all the time in the world and cant roll out left and throw a touch pass to Anderson WIDE OPEN in the back of the endzone.
To be honest I would have tried the run on third and 4th down....but on third I would have done a misdirection pitch to slaton and hoped that brown could seal and hold the edge (which he did on both 3rd and 4th down) or tried running behind winston since he's easily our best olinemen and NEVER gets pushed behind the LOS...
How about just replacing Chris Myers (299) or Mike Brisiel (304) with Antoine Caldwell (312) every play for short yardage? You don't need the small finess guy playing short yardage situations and Caldwell would only have to beat the guy in front of him, not much learning required. I'm sure we could pick up a free agent C/G that weighs 320 or so, then we could have a heavy set for short yardage.
Sprtsfanatic
10-12-2009, 12:37 PM
How about just replacing Chris Myers (299) or Mike Brisiel (304) with Antoine Caldwell (312) every play for short yardage? You don't need the small finess guy playing short yardage situations and Caldwell would only have to beat the guy in front of him, not much learning required. I'm sure we could pick up a free agent C/G that weighs 320 or so, then we could have a heavy set for short yardage.
I agree myers needs to go
Texan Naija
10-12-2009, 12:51 PM
Honestly, I loved the play they set up for Dressen, it is a shame he was too far back and Schaub threw the pass high to avoid the Cardinal player following Leech.
Looking at the highlight film of that play, Schaub did what he thought was best for "that" play. Me, I'd have had him throw a pump fake to Dressen and then pass it to Vonta. Because as the Cardinal player in front of him saw him throw he jumped and left Leech alone who crossed into the end zone safely.
But as for the 4th and Goal, I'd have tried a play action with a hand off or quick pass to Jacoby Jones or Andre Johnson. With their speed, their is no way either shouldn't have been able to get into the endzone going one on one against a Cardinal defender.
Freshly Dipped
10-12-2009, 01:36 PM
Try to draw them offsides first then qb sneak.
Houston Texans_
10-12-2009, 01:37 PM
Seriously,
I would have called for a QB sneak but I still don't think he (Matt) would have made it in...
I think Steve would have gotton the ball across the plane with his low center of gravity but again, our line had no push what so ever; they were going backwards!
We need a new Center!
On a good note, the Defense is getting alot better! Good to see reeves back and the front four is starting to get pressure on the QB and I really was impressed with how the Texans came back in the second half being down 21 points.
brown fumbles against Jacksonville and now he blew his second chance against the Cards; it would have been a great way to redeem himself but he will not be a Texan next year
Fake Run, pass to outside TE or FB.
Bluedog68
10-12-2009, 01:51 PM
When they lined up, I thought "what play would I call". It was a full yard so I would not have done the QB sneak. Every Cardinal was in the middle. Something on the outside would have worked. They had been throwing little out passes to Leach and Slaton all day. That would have worked. AJ should have been in the game also. Our OL was just stopped. There was no hole for the back to go through. This wasn't Schaub's loss. He played a good game. The play calling is what lost this game. The players are not that bad, but the coaches are.
If we can't get a push on the line or hit a wide open reciever 5 yards away in the endzone then the players are that bad. The coaches made the right adjustments at half, but poor execution on 2 passes cost the game.
BullHorns
10-12-2009, 02:17 PM
Kubiak said earlier in the week that D Dockett was the best player he had seen all year on tape. So, to start with, I wouldnt have tried to run in down his throat twice.
audible65
10-12-2009, 04:32 PM
on 3rd down, another option would have been fade to the beast AJ when 1-on-1, get pass interference call... get new set of 4 downs to ram it in.... and to use up all the clock...
Texansneedhelp
10-12-2009, 05:15 PM
It seems that our goal line play that works is in shotgun with recivers spread and a QB draw up the middle
theCATALYST
10-12-2009, 05:19 PM
It seems odd to me that we don't use James Casey in those situations.....:confused::confused:
Place him in as QB in the wildcat formation much like Miami.....can handoff to Slaton, drop back to pass, or fake handoff/pass and take it up the gut himself. A little trickery goes a long way, and we have all the tools to accomplish this.
Am I wrong in thinking this?
Sprtsfanatic
10-12-2009, 05:40 PM
It seems odd to me that we don't use James Casey in those situations.....:confused::confused:
Place him in as QB in the wildcat formation much like Miami.....can handoff to Slaton, drop back to pass, or fake handoff/pass and take it up the gut himself. A little trickery goes a long way, and we have all the tools to accomplish this.
Am I wrong in thinking this?
No, your actually spot on...its not traditional conservative football is the only thing I can think of....and thats why kubes doesnt run it.
theCATALYST
10-12-2009, 05:44 PM
No, your actually spot on...its not traditional conservative football is the only thing I can think of....and thats why kubes doesnt run it.
Yea. My dad used to buy all kinds of lawn equipment just to let it sit in the shed and get old. I have done the same, a whole room full of fitness equip and weights, just collecting dust. lol. I guess Kubiak is another of the same fiber, shop for all this great talent, and let them sit on the bench.
We need to get creative, it's time to leave conservative football behind.
Cheroqui
10-12-2009, 06:09 PM
Vonta Leach on a FB Dive! No question. Even though we need to do more play action & bootlegs in the Red Zone, he deserves a shot. Think about it; he Rhino lead blocks all the time. He's first to smash his way forward; so he's in the end zone already, while we hope the vision and drive of the HB's kick in. I wanted to see the "Dog" pop the chain & jump the fence!!! Let him try to run the d* ball in already!
If it's one thing I want before the season is over, is for Big V. Leach to get to run the ball into the end zone. PLEASE.
Sportswriter79
10-12-2009, 06:12 PM
Vonta Leach on a FB Dive! No question. Even though we need to do more play action & bootlegs in the Red Zone, he deserves a shot. Think about it; he Rhino lead blocks all the time. He is always first and is in the end zone already, while we hope the vision and drive of the HB's is correct and kicks in. I wanted to see the "Dog" pop the chain & jump the fence!!! Let him try to run the ball in already d*!
If it's one thing I want before the season is over, is for Big V Leach to get to run the ball into the end zone. PLEASE.
You said it buddy. In fact, I hope they end up with a 4th and goal at the 2-yard line in Cincinnatti next week - just to see what they do.
Nah, they'll probably just run Chris Brown up the middle again.
theCATALYST
10-12-2009, 06:14 PM
You said it buddy. In fact, I hope they end up with a 4th and goal at the 2-yard line in Cincinnatti next week - just to see what they do.
Nah, they'll probably just run Chris Brown up the middle again.
They will continue to try to find redemption, and will continue to fail. Chris Brown up the middle needs to be put to rest.
Sportswriter79
10-12-2009, 06:18 PM
They will continue to try to find redemption, and will continue to fail. Chris Brown up the middle needs to be put to rest.
Seriously, I would like to see Casey leading through the hole with Leach carrying the ball behind him.
jackfarnswurth
10-12-2009, 07:21 PM
Casey in as Qb with the spread formation. Money in the bank.
taylor90
10-13-2009, 12:29 AM
tell vonta to toss slaton into the endzone.
its foolproof.
tell vonta to toss slaton into the endzone.
its foolproof.
lol:D
Sprtsfanatic
10-13-2009, 12:45 AM
Seriously, I would like to see Casey leading through the hole with Leach carrying the ball behind him.
Id like to see it reveresed with leach leading for casey...I trust casey's hands a lot more than I do leach's
Texansneedhelp
10-13-2009, 10:42 AM
They will continue to try to find redemption, and will continue to fail. Chris Brown up the middle needs to be put to rest.
Chris Brown getting in the rotation needs to be put to rest
Sportswriter79
10-13-2009, 10:47 AM
Id like to see it reveresed with leach leading for casey...I trust casey's hands a lot more than I do leach's
Good idea too. Anthing but Chris Brown running upright.
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