To all you naysayers a reality check

[sringrose]

Are you ready?

No, are you REALLY ready?

Because here's the truth. The reality. The gosh durned most amazing thing hit me this morning...

This Texans team is REALLY good. Don't believe me?

We've lost one game by more than a touchdown. Out of 5. That's a REALLY good stat to think about.

We've had chances to win two out of our three losses in the FINAL minutes of the game. That's a REALLY good stat to think about.

Our team has been blown out once in five games, and by a defense that went on to beat the Titans (granted, they look like crap right now) and the Pats (not so much crap, eh?). The held the Patsies to no offensive TDs, just like they did us. That's not something to take for granted. They are indeed good.

We were not expected to compete with the Titans, but we have. We were not supposed to be able to contain the Zona high-flying offense, but look at the second half...we did.

Our defense IS legit. Our offense IS legit.

There are kinks, yes. Chinks in the armor are evident all OVER the NFL. Look at the Cowboys. That win yesterday against a team WORSE than the Titans looked like crap. They couldn't get it done in overtime on their first offensive possession. Good thing the Chiefs royally flubbed up their chances to win it....

The fact these games are close is a reality check. The fact we've had legitimate chances to be 4 and 1...that's a VERY big reality check.

Of course, you have those who say, "the really great teams win the close ones." Sure, the REALLY great teams do. The ones who are the elite teams. If we are one rung below the elite teams this season, then I am very happy.

We are 5 games in. Sure, we are 2-3. But get off'em. Kubiak doesn't need to be fired...yet. Give him the rest of the season. He's shown he can keep his team in the game. If the team loses it in the final minutes, it's still a loss, yes, but it's a **** fun one.

I hate to say it, but if we go 7-9 or 8-8 and all but one of our losses are by one touchdown or less, I want Kubiak back. When a defense keeps you in a game...they don't suck.

We didn't give up one big rushing play in the game. Tim Hightower and Beanie Wells are not scrubs. They are legit NFL starters, who combined for a very mesely rushing total. I applaud our defense for doing that. Forget the passing TDs. They held one of the most potent offenses (with ALL their weapons healthy) to no points in the second half. NONE. Nada. ZILCH. Zippo. ZEEEEEEERO.


All you naysayers complain "a loss is a loss", and sure it is, except when was the last time you were actually watching a Texans game in the fourth quarter with minutes left? Welcome to real fandom. You live and die in the final minutes of the fourth quarter.

Losses are heartbreaks, but when it's by one touchdown or less, one or two plays or less, it's better than a blowout.

It's time the fans started acting like them. Sure, you have a right to criticize, but you also have a privalege to watch a very VERY good football team compete week in and week out. You've been given the opportunity to watch the beginnings of a defense that is proving it can be really REALLY good. You've been given the opportunity to watch an offense pick up where it left off last season slowly but surely. You're watching the beginnings of a team that is gelling.

Yes, the loss hurts. Real fans dwell on it Sunday, and wake up Monday and go "It's a new week." So quit your whining. Quit your belly-achin'. This team doesn't suck. The fair-weather fans do.

These Texans are on the rise, regardless the win-loss count. They will be this good and better for years to come. At least another two or three, most likely more. We aren't the laughing stock you all seem to think. We've only been blown out once. And that was week one, against a very potent Jets team.

So shut up or move on, but don't make it hell for the rest of us. The real fans are tired of hearing the fakers and the crybabies. Move on. Get out.

THIS IS OUR HOUSE! RESPECT IT!!! OR GO HOME!

[Footballz]

Lol. We are tired of hearing about potential from people drunk on kool-aid.

"Really good" doesn't count when you are losing games.

Maybe we should develop a blood test for "real fans." Some here seem fixated on fans or bandwagons rather than the product on the field.

Clue: The fans are not on the field nor are the fans coaching and developing game plans.

[TexansFan99]

I'm sick of "fans" telling other fans how they should behave. People have the right to criticize or praise the team. If people don't like the criticism of the Texans...DON"T READ THE THREADS. It's pretty simple. Don't click on the thread. Stop acting like a baby telling people to shut-up or "go home"

[TheReaver]

Boy I hope we can keep losing games by less than a TD. Maybe next year we can lose games by less than a FG and be awesome.

[CoogBull]

Wow the powers of delusion are strong in this one.

Using your argument, lets say that a team went 0-16, but lost every game by a touchdown. Would you label them good or bad? The idea that the fact that we have kept it close means anything is absurd. It could just as well indicate that teams stopped playing hard against us after an opening beat down. Every team in this league can argue that their season would have been different but for a few plays.

Our defense is legit...sometimes. Our offense is legit...sometimes. It is a 60 minute game and we are a 30 minute team. That is not good. Yeah our defense shut them out in the second half after being nearly not existent in the first half.

You must be insane to want Kubiak back if we do not make the playoffs this year. It is not going to get better under him. The O-line is not going to get more push because he wants little interior linemen. The defense or short yardage games are not going to get better because he will draft another couple of TEs instead of playmakers in those positions.

Where is the evidence that we are "on the rise?" People have been saying that for the last three seasons and the evidence is not there. It is just the same old same old. Kubiak is still going to prattle on about establishing the run like the moron he is.

Really, how good can a team be when it can not get one yard?

[CoogBull]

Boy I hope we can keep losing games by less than a TD. Maybe next year we can lose games by less than a FG and be awesome.

Oh yeah. Come on it is not like this game is about winning. It is about feeling like something is happening.

[outofhnd]

Theme for the season close but no cigar.

[sringrose]

By your powers combined, you all form Captain Whiner!!! Congrats. You proved my point.

I even said "you have a right to criticize the team". Just wake up. They aren't this horrific team. Hell, we're STILL better than two teams in our OWN division. That's actually...*gasps* better than 50% of our division. Wow...wait...we ARE above average.

You can all stick it...on the ends of two nicely formed bull horns.

[sringrose]

Oh, and FYI...

Loss to the Jaguars...that is on the players to get that ball into the endzone, not fumble it. On the refs for calling a horrible offensive pass interference on a TD play.

Loss to the Cardinals...that one is on Schaub and Brown, and a bunch of Myers for not giving room for a push. Forget the play calling. The players have to not throw INTs for game-winning TDs on GAME WINNING TD DRIVES (HELLO?) nor fail to even move to ball across the plane of the goalline.

Look, if you hand the ball to Leech, he might've gotten in. Then, in that case, in a goalline TD run a "bad" call?

It's a bad call when we lose. Great call when we win.

Yet, take the win and lose out of it. It's the same darn call.

WAKE UP PEOPLE! WAKE THE HELL UP!

[TheReaver]

By your powers combined, you all form Captain Whiner!!! Congrats. You proved my point.

I even said "you have a right to criticize the team". Just wake up. They aren't this horrific team. Hell, we're STILL better than two teams in our OWN division. That's actually...*gasps* better than 50% of our division. Wow...wait...we ARE above average.

You can all stick it...on the ends of two nicely formed bull horns.

Ok you are waaaay off point. We are not horrific. I think we have playoff talent easy. If I thought we were horrible I wouldn't be criticizing the coaching staff (that's where most of my posts end up these days). You need to understand this team has EXPECTATIONS(from fans/the media/ themselves) this year. This isn't fresh off Carr/Capers/Casserly. This is a good team that should be winning games, not losing by a little.

Second, if we were better than 50% of the teams in the entire league win/loss wise guess what, that still doesn't make the playoffs. Actually win/loss wise we are better than the Titans, but we actually would be behind JAC since we lost heads up.

I think I figured out the problem from some of you. Some people here have been beaten down from years of being one of the worst teams in the league that being "above average" is acceptable to you. Wake up. That's not good enough. We have a very good team that is great at some things. We should be winning games not losing by a little.

[CoogBull]

By your powers combined, you all form Captain Whiner!!! Congrats. You proved my point.

I even said "you have a right to criticize the team". Just wake up. They aren't this horrific team. Hell, we're STILL better than two teams in our OWN division. That's actually...*gasps* better than 50% of our division. Wow...wait...we ARE above average.

You can all stick it...on the ends of two nicely formed bull horns.

Actually we are only better than one team in our division.

So being about average is what you expect from this team? Not victory?

This is the NFL. They do not give out "Best Effort" awards like this is retard day camp.

I'm not seeing whining. I see fans who want to see a winner. I am upset, but I am not as devastated as others because I did not have high hopes for this team. I see them for what they are: a team with talent but the inability to make it work because of poor personnel decisions around the talent and piss poor coaching.

[sringrose]

Ok you are waaaay off point. We are not horrific. I think we have playoff talent easy. If I thought we were horrible I wouldn't be criticizing the coaching staff (that's where most of my posts end up these days). You need to understand this team has EXPECTATIONS(from fans/the media/ themselves) this year. This isn't fresh off Carr/Capers/Casserly. This is a good team that should be winning games, not losing by a little.

Second, if we were better than 50% of the teams in the entire league win/loss wise guess what, that still doesn't make the playoffs. Actually win/loss wise we are better than the Titans, but we actually would be behind JAC since we lost heads up.

I think I figured out the problem from some of you. Some people here have been beaten down from years of being one of the worst teams in the league that being "above average" is acceptable to you. Wake up. That's not good enough. We have a very good team that is great at some things. We should be winning games not losing by a little.


Nah, my original post nor my second wasn't targetted at you. There are reasonable criticisms, and then overboard way over the line criticisms.

I do tend to agree with you, if this team doesn't finish 9-7 and playoffs, then Kubiak should probably go. However, we still have 11 weeks of games to watch. I think it's unfair to grade a coach on past seasons when, where he came from, is quite a leap.

You, are one of the fair criticizers my posts were not aimed at.

It's the whiners who jumped on the bandwagon at the beginning of the season and don't see ANY potential in this team. Yes, losing sucks. But unless it's fair criticism, taking into account the fact that this team is close at the end of 80% of games...then it's really uncalled for.

I didn't say don't criticize. I said do it fairly. :D I got respects for ya and yer feelings.

[DVIEL82]

I used to read this site all the time, even post under a different name but things like this thread turn me off so bad. I think some fans on this message board are horribly fickle. A good % of you are just communists, isn't everybody entitled to an opinion? The Texans have potential, but potential is just that. Two or three plays go differently and we are a legit 4-1, but in the same spin two or three plays go differently and we are 1-4. It's a combination of reasons that they are 2-3 but mainly luck of the draw. It happens people, get over it, but in the same breath those who criticize those who criticze are no better than those who criticize. Does that make sense;)

[sringrose]

And that brings me to my previous point...

If the coach has the players in the game at the end of the game, the coach can't win the game. It takes Tom Brady or Brett Favre or Terrell Owens, etc. Not the coach.

The coach calls the plays (wait...Kubiak didn't call that last play, did he?), but the players have to execute.

Most of the fans were ready to write off our new D Coordinator, Frank Bush, after week one. But look, he's turned it around with the defense, and I do think that second half is a reflection of what IS to come.

All I'm saying is wait until we've gone through at least half a season before you demand for huge changes. Heck, these guys have the easy potential to destroy opponents, and if they start doing so, everyone will ignore these types of threads.

For now, though, let's actually give them the next 3 weeks (yes, 3). If they are above .500 by week 8, then they will have won 2 of the next 3. Then, you can criticize the coaches. Heck, if they lose 2 out of 3, you can criticize the coaches.

But to criticize Kubiak in the manner you have, after 5 weeks of actually really GOOD football is a bit unfair. Criticize the players, especially Matt Schaub. He's cost his team the game, and in the Jaguars game, too.

Matt Schaub is a good quarterback, but he has a lot of problems with pressure. He really can't seem to win the big game when it matters, and we do need a quarterback who can.

THAT is a legitimate gripe (and so are the ones that Reaper mentioned). But really, it's the coaches job to keep it close (yes, it is to win games, but we can't go blaming the coaches for not winning the games...THAT falls on the players. ESPECIALLY the close ones).

And yes, Reaper is right, there have been some piss-poor personnel decisions, but there have also been good ones.

Connor Barwin looks good. Brian Cushing looks PHENOMENAL, yet nobody would've taken a LB when we already had a decent LB corps in the first round! Look at what he's done!!!

That's all I'm saying.

Every team has to take the bad WITH the good. It's unfair to look at all the negatives and say, "man we suck." No, we don't suck. The Texans are far and away from sucking.

But I do agree with you, changes need to be made. Frank Bush made them on defense. Now it's time for Shanahan to prove he is a legit offensive coordinator and do the same on offense.

[sringrose]

And I don't mind criticism of "Kubiak needs to go", as long as it's founded. I don't mind criticism of the team, as long as it's founded.

I am tired of the "man, this team royally sucks." and that's really all the post says.

Yes, you have a right to criticize. Feel free. Just do so respectfully. And notice I didn't post all this in a thread OF criticism of the team. I posted it seperately. Because fans have a right to criticize. Just like I have a right to be upset with those criticisms.

[outofhnd]

And I don't mind criticism of "Kubiak needs to go", as long as it's founded. I don't mind criticism of the team, as long as it's founded.

I am tired of the "man, this team royally sucks." and that's really all the post says.

Yes, you have a right to criticize. Feel free. Just do so respectfully. And notice I didn't post all this in a thread OF criticism of the team. I posted it seperately. Because fans have a right to criticize. Just like I have a right to be upset with those criticisms.


Sorry its hard to take you seriously when your signature features 2 of the worst tacklers on the team. :D unless of course by pain you mean the headaches you get watching them whiff. Those do hurt.. seriously though if this team can just do the right things to not lose ballgames they can be a special team.
Like if we could have arizonas first half and our second half on 1 team we could be an elite NFL franchise

[rocknrandy]

All that matters is we are 2-3

that is pathetic considering what we have, and the expectations we all have.

[gregastory]

(wait...Kubiak didn't call that last play, did he?)

Who called the last play?

[TheReaver]

Who called the last play?

Shannaghan calls the plays but I would be utterly surprised if Kubiak was not informed of the play call during the time out. Even there were some insane reason he was not aware of the play call, Kubiak hires his assistants and the decisions they make should reflect on him.

[Texansneedhelp]

A really good team? Are you kidding me? The Broncos are a less talented team, but better coached. Whats are excuse, maybe next year?

[Texansneedhelp]

All that matters is we are 2-3

that is pathetic considering what we have, and the expectations we all have.

Playoffs? Playoffs? Don't say playoffs. Playoffs?

[jmerog]

I'm sick of "fans" telling other fans how they should behave. People have the right to criticize or praise the team. If people don't like the criticism of the Texans...DON"T READ THE THREADS. It's pretty simple. Don't click on the thread. Stop acting like a baby telling people to shut-up or "go home"

what he said

[thetrooper]

that was a close game it could have gone either way.they will win more games.this is a talented team

[theanswer000]

Bengals Win
49ers Win
Bills Win
Colts Lose
Titans Win
Colts Win
Jags Win
Seahawks Win
Rams Win
Dolphins Win
Patriots Lose

11-5 is how this season could play out. We still have a lot of football to play and we are making progress every game.

[jackfarnswurth]

Saying they lost by less than a touchdown is like saying I almost won the lottery; you still got nothing.

[Footballz]

boy i hope we can keep losing games by less than a td. Maybe next year we can lose games by less than a fg and be awesome.

lmao!!!!

[gregastory]

Saying they lost by less than a touchdown is like saying I almost won the lottery; you still got nothing.

Actually, when you almost win the lottery you typically get 6 figures. Just throwing that out there.

[jackfarnswurth]

I was thinking if you missed each correct lotto ball by 1. A big fat nothing. But you only missed by 6.

[gregastory]

Oh. Carry on then.

[TexSid]

As angry and upset as I am I do belive this is a pretty good team. Our D is getting better every week (great to see Reeves back). Our O is already good but Kubiak has to realize what he has. Don Shula was a super conservative coach that ran ran ran then he had Marino and no running game and figured he better use what he had. Good coaches know what they have and don't try to force a square peg into a round hole.

We just need to get hot Cincy is a good place to start


and oh yeah Caldwell please

[jhowie007]

SRINGROSE - Nobody cares about silver linings or moral victories anymore. A win is a win and a loss is a loss. After eight years of watching pathetic football it gets old hearing about could have and should haves... Conservative football equals losing seasons. Maybe it's time for a personell change and get some players out there who can grow some balls on this team.

[SuperstarII]

Lol. We are tired of hearing about potential from people drunk on kool-aid.

"Really good" doesn't count when you are losing games.

Maybe we should develop a blood test for "real fans." Some here seem fixated on fans or bandwagons rather than the product on the field.

Clue: The fans are not on the field nor are the fans coaching and developing game plans.

*applause*

I'd buy you a cigar and a bear for that.

[TexHorns]

I don't think its the coaching holding us back. I think we have a lot of great players and some really cruddy players at key positions with no depth. We are getting better at those positions but we as fans have been saying for years our secondary and Oline need big improvement. Its been a really slow process finding talent at those positions and a lot of guys just haven't panned out(pburnt, bennet, nick furgie, myers, faggins, boselli, joppru, babin). I think the overall talent level is increasing with pollard, reeves, brown, winston but its been slow. My biggest gripe is that we haven't really tried to go to for a big name free agent for cb or center?

[Yosarian]

i appreciate your optimism sringrose. But the bottom line is that we can not get one yard on 3 tries.
Also the fact remains that we can only lose two more games and make the playoffs. That's not going to be easy with a team that can't get one yard when it needs to. Maybe we can lose 3 more but even then...its doubtful.

All the playoff hype is almost gone now. For me anyway. 3 losses in the first 5 games and looking horrible all through preseason and the first 2 games and the first half of the cards game. The only game we looked good was raiders and we didnt look that good against them.This team is not taking the next step. Just realize that and continue to hope that one day they will learn when to call a qb sneak like 99% of the other teams out there.

[TEXANottoMAN]

Do we all get a participation trophy at the end of the season? You only count wins and losses.

[tgriff00]

Wow the powers of delusion are strong in this one.

Using your argument, lets say that a team went 0-16, but lost every game by a touchdown. Would you label them good or bad? The idea that the fact that we have kept it close means anything is absurd. It could just as well indicate that teams stopped playing hard against us after an opening beat down. Every team in this league can argue that their season would have been different but for a few plays.

Our defense is legit...sometimes. Our offense is legit...sometimes. It is a 60 minute game and we are a 30 minute team. That is not good. Yeah our defense shut them out in the second half after being nearly not existent in the first half.

You must be insane to want Kubiak back if we do not make the playoffs this year. It is not going to get better under him. The O-line is not going to get more push because he wants little interior linemen. The defense or short yardage games are not going to get better because he will draft another couple of TEs instead of playmakers in those positions.

Where is the evidence that we are "on the rise?" People have been saying that for the last three seasons and the evidence is not there. It is just the same old same old. Kubiak is still going to prattle on about establishing the run like the moron he is.

Really, how good can a team be when it can not get one yard?

Last year we were 1-4 at this time. I'd say 2-3 is an improvement, not much, but an improvement none the less. I will agree and say that we need to wake up and start bullying teams from opening snap to the final gun, but it is still early in the season. We still have a chance to have a winning year, I can see us getting 9, 10 wins. Maybe more. The defense should only get better as the year progresses, it is first year in the new scheme and new players. I believe they will start to continue gel in weeks to come, and our offense always gets betters as the season progresses. So I'll hold off on the "season is over", "get rid of all 53 players and staff" sky is falling, knee jerk comments, until the season is truly in the crapper.

[outofhnd]

You know sometimes its hard making that next step look at Cleveland they made the playoffs once and now look at them they havent had a winning season in over 5 years. You run that risk firing and hiring coaches just because of your impatience with the current regime. Even when you see the success the current regime has been having. We hire a new coach yes it could be a shot in the arm we needed. It could also be the shot in the foot we cant recover from. I don't think he is on the hotseat there is marked improvement from the team he took over in 2005 we have a wealth of talent and are highly competitive at the NFL level. We have been in almost every game this year. For all you people stating its playoffs or bust, maybe you put the cart before the horse I think you need atleast 1 or 2 above .500 years before you think playoffs. You all talk about the broncos give me a division where you have 2 sub .500 teams with no talent. see if our record isnt better playing KC and oakland 4 times.. Chargers dont look so good either. But again that team did have talent but instead of making a coordinator splash they went with a proven coordinator in Mike nolan. You can want a new coach if you want I say stick with what we have for atleast another year if not 2 to see what we truly have hear and let him assemble all the pieces in place. before you call for someones job. or maybe you want to go back to the 2005 texans there is no guarantee that will happen. Buit there is no guarantee firing Kubiak and hiring someone else will get us where we want to go. Parcells was supposed to take th cowboys back to the superbowl and he couldnt win a playoff game. vice versa tomlin was supposed to struggle as a the new steelers coach and they go out and win the superbowl. are you saying tomlin was a better coach than parcells I find that hard to believe. Let Bush get his feet wet as coordinator give this team atleast another season. I know you are frustrated it kills me win we lose but it doesn't kill me as bad as to watch a new coach come in here and trade away an Andre Johnson or Mario Williams or Demeco Ryans just to get players to fit his system. That is totally possible with a new coach no one is above being removed when a new regime comes in. Just know what you are asking for when you ask for a new coach. I understand but I also don't want to start over again when we are just so close. and we haven't regressed we started 0-3 the last 2 years with 11 more games to play. Just remember what it was like when Kubiak took over and that it took 2 years just to get to .500..

[theCATALYST]

SRINGROSE - Nobody cares about silver linings or moral victories anymore.

I don't agree with that. If no one cared, we wouldn't be continually having these arguments on the forums.

[CoogBull]

Bengals Win
49ers Win
Bills Win
Colts Lose
Titans Win
Colts Win
Jags Win
Seahawks Win
Rams Win
Dolphins Win
Patriots Lose

11-5 is how this season could play out. We still have a lot of football to play and we are making progress every game.

Wow, so we will only lose two more games? The Bengals are good, the 49ers will have Frank Gore back against us, the Jags have already beaten us at home, the Colts are rolling like always, the Fins can run the ball which we can not stop, and we always crap out against at least one team we should beat. I could see us going 5-11 easily.

[outofhnd]

I would like to see a 9-7 record thats it wwe are not ready for playoffs we need to solidify some positions before we even think of playoffs. Chances are 9-7 is the best possible record at this point with 7-9 being the more realistic now with O line injuries we are incurring. That is football for ya.

[Anti08]

i appreciate your optimism sringrose. But the bottom line is that we can not get one yard on 3 tries.
Also the fact remains that we can only lose two more games and make the playoffs. That's not going to be easy with a team that can't get one yard when it needs to. Maybe we can lose 3 more but even then...its doubtful.

All the playoff hype is almost gone now. For me anyway. 3 losses in the first 5 games and looking horrible all through preseason and the first 2 games and the first half of the cards game. The only game we looked good was raiders and we didnt look that good against them.This team is not taking the next step. Just realize that and continue to hope that one day they will learn when to call a qb sneak like 99% of the other teams out there.

I think Kubiak is scared that Matty will get hurt.

[sringrose]

You know sometimes its hard making that next step look at Cleveland they made the playoffs once and now look at them they havent had a winning season in over 5 years. You run that risk firing and hiring coaches just because of your impatience with the current regime. Even when you see the success the current regime has been having. We hire a new coach yes it could be a shot in the arm we needed. It could also be the shot in the foot we cant recover from. I don't think he is on the hotseat there is marked improvement from the team he took over in 2005 we have a wealth of talent and are highly competitive at the NFL level. We have been in almost every game this year. For all you people stating its playoffs or bust, maybe you put the cart before the horse I think you need atleast 1 or 2 above .500 years before you think playoffs. You all talk about the broncos give me a division where you have 2 sub .500 teams with no talent. see if our record isnt better playing KC and oakland 4 times.. Chargers dont look so good either. But again that team did have talent but instead of making a coordinator splash they went with a proven coordinator in Mike nolan. You can want a new coach if you want I say stick with what we have for atleast another year if not 2 to see what we truly have hear and let him assemble all the pieces in place. before you call for someones job. or maybe you want to go back to the 2005 texans there is no guarantee that will happen. Buit there is no guarantee firing Kubiak and hiring someone else will get us where we want to go. Parcells was supposed to take th cowboys back to the superbowl and he couldnt win a playoff game. vice versa tomlin was supposed to struggle as a the new steelers coach and they go out and win the superbowl. are you saying tomlin was a better coach than parcells I find that hard to believe. Let Bush get his feet wet as coordinator give this team atleast another season. I know you are frustrated it kills me win we lose but it doesn't kill me as bad as to watch a new coach come in here and trade away an Andre Johnson or Mario Williams or Demeco Ryans just to get players to fit his system. That is totally possible with a new coach no one is above being removed when a new regime comes in. Just know what you are asking for when you ask for a new coach. I understand but I also don't want to start over again when we are just so close. and we haven't regressed we started 0-3 the last 2 years with 11 more games to play. Just remember what it was like when Kubiak took over and that it took 2 years just to get to .500..

This is what I'm trying to get at...thank you for being more thoughtful and eloquent then I.

[texandawg]

Are you ready?

No, are you REALLY ready?

Because here's the truth. The reality. The gosh durned most amazing thing hit me this morning...

This Texans team is REALLY good. Don't believe me?

We've lost one game by more than a touchdown. Out of 5. That's a REALLY good stat to think about.

We've had chances to win two out of our three losses in the FINAL minutes of the game. That's a REALLY good stat to think about.

Our team has been blown out once in five games, and by a defense that went on to beat the Titans (granted, they look like crap right now) and the Pats (not so much crap, eh?). The held the Patsies to no offensive TDs, just like they did us. That's not something to take for granted. They are indeed good.

We were not expected to compete with the Titans, but we have. We were not supposed to be able to contain the Zona high-flying offense, but look at the second half...we did.

Our defense IS legit. Our offense IS legit.

There are kinks, yes. Chinks in the armor are evident all OVER the NFL. Look at the Cowboys. That win yesterday against a team WORSE than the Titans looked like crap. They couldn't get it done in overtime on their first offensive possession. Good thing the Chiefs royally flubbed up their chances to win it....

The fact these games are close is a reality check. The fact we've had legitimate chances to be 4 and 1...that's a VERY big reality check.

Of course, you have those who say, "the really great teams win the close ones." Sure, the REALLY great teams do. The ones who are the elite teams. If we are one rung below the elite teams this season, then I am very happy.

We are 5 games in. Sure, we are 2-3. But get off'em. Kubiak doesn't need to be fired...yet. Give him the rest of the season. He's shown he can keep his team in the game. If the team loses it in the final minutes, it's still a loss, yes, but it's a **** fun one.

I hate to say it, but if we go 7-9 or 8-8 and all but one of our losses are by one touchdown or less, I want Kubiak back. When a defense keeps you in a game...they don't suck.

We didn't give up one big rushing play in the game. Tim Hightower and Beanie Wells are not scrubs. They are legit NFL starters, who combined for a very mesely rushing total. I applaud our defense for doing that. Forget the passing TDs. They held one of the most potent offenses (with ALL their weapons healthy) to no points in the second half. NONE. Nada. ZILCH. Zippo. ZEEEEEEERO.


All you naysayers complain "a loss is a loss", and sure it is, except when was the last time you were actually watching a Texans game in the fourth quarter with minutes left? Welcome to real fandom. You live and die in the final minutes of the fourth quarter.

Losses are heartbreaks, but when it's by one touchdown or less, one or two plays or less, it's better than a blowout.

It's time the fans started acting like them. Sure, you have a right to criticize, but you also have a privalege to watch a very VERY good football team compete week in and week out. You've been given the opportunity to watch the beginnings of a defense that is proving it can be really REALLY good. You've been given the opportunity to watch an offense pick up where it left off last season slowly but surely. You're watching the beginnings of a team that is gelling.

Yes, the loss hurts. Real fans dwell on it Sunday, and wake up Monday and go "It's a new week." So quit your whining. Quit your belly-achin'. This team doesn't suck. The fair-weather fans do.

These Texans are on the rise, regardless the win-loss count. They will be this good and better for years to come. At least another two or three, most likely more. We aren't the laughing stock you all seem to think. We've only been blown out once. And that was week one, against a very potent Jets team.

So shut up or move on, but don't make it hell for the rest of us. The real fans are tired of hearing the fakers and the crybabies. Move on. Get out.

THIS IS OUR HOUSE! RESPECT IT!!! OR GO HOME!

I absolutely love this post. Thank God you are a Texans fan. We need more like you.

[CoogBull]

You know sometimes its hard making that next step look at Cleveland they made the playoffs once and now look at them they havent had a winning season in over 5 years. You run that risk firing and hiring coaches just because of your impatience with the current regime. Even when you see the success the current regime has been having. We hire a new coach yes it could be a shot in the arm we needed. It could also be the shot in the foot we cant recover from. I don't think he is on the hotseat there is marked improvement from the team he took over in 2005 we have a wealth of talent and are highly competitive at the NFL level. We have been in almost every game this year. For all you people stating its playoffs or bust, maybe you put the cart before the horse I think you need atleast 1 or 2 above .500 years before you think playoffs. You all talk about the broncos give me a division where you have 2 sub .500 teams with no talent. see if our record isnt better playing KC and oakland 4 times.. Chargers dont look so good either. But again that team did have talent but instead of making a coordinator splash they went with a proven coordinator in Mike nolan. You can want a new coach if you want I say stick with what we have for atleast another year if not 2 to see what we truly have hear and let him assemble all the pieces in place. before you call for someones job. or maybe you want to go back to the 2005 texans there is no guarantee that will happen. Buit there is no guarantee firing Kubiak and hiring someone else will get us where we want to go. Parcells was supposed to take th cowboys back to the superbowl and he couldnt win a playoff game. vice versa tomlin was supposed to struggle as a the new steelers coach and they go out and win the superbowl. are you saying tomlin was a better coach than parcells I find that hard to believe. Let Bush get his feet wet as coordinator give this team atleast another season. I know you are frustrated it kills me win we lose but it doesn't kill me as bad as to watch a new coach come in here and trade away an Andre Johnson or Mario Williams or Demeco Ryans just to get players to fit his system. That is totally possible with a new coach no one is above being removed when a new regime comes in. Just know what you are asking for when you ask for a new coach. I understand but I also don't want to start over again when we are just so close. and we haven't regressed we started 0-3 the last 2 years with 11 more games to play. Just remember what it was like when Kubiak took over and that it took 2 years just to get to .500..

I understand your "devil you know" argument. Still, I can not see the logic is keeping Gary around just because change might be difficult. If that logic were followed Dom Capers would still be our coach.

The simple fact is that Gary has had more than adequate time to implement his system, get the people he wants (and he has), and get this team on track. If he can not do it now, I do not think giving him more time will. He has had free rein since he arrived so he needs to get it going.

[footballfan412]

I understand your "devil you know" argument. Still, I can not see the logic is keeping Gary around just because change might be difficult. If that logic were followed Dom Capers would still be our coach.

The simple fact is that Gary has had more than adequate time to implement his system, get the people he wants (and he has), and get this team on track. If he can not do it now, I do not think giving him more time will. He has had free rein since he arrived so he needs to get it going.

Totally agree. Coog, it is so good to have you back and posting again.

The argument that Gary should keep his job because we wouldn't know what another coach would do is ridiculus tripe. I've heard it before, and I can't believe people would be stupid enough to say it (let alone think it).

Using that theory, a coach would keep his job for 30, 40, 50 years. We can't get rid of the coach because, well, that would mean starting over. Let's keep what we have and hope for the best.

Hell no. As a PSL owner, I basically own this team. My voice is heard. What I want matters. McNair is no fool. He knows this. If season ticket holders turn against Gary, he will be in the unemployment line so fast it's not even funny.

[CoogBull]

Totally agree. Coog, it is so good to have you back and posting again.

The argument that Gary should keep his job because we wouldn't know what another coach would do is ridiculus tripe. I've heard it before, and I can't believe people would be stupid enough to say it (let alone think it).

Using that theory, a coach would keep his job for 30, 40, 50 years. We can't get rid of the coach because, well, that would mean starting over. Let's keep what we have and hope for the best.

Hell no. As a PSL owner, I basically own this team. My voice is heard. What I want matters. McNair is no fool. He knows this. If season ticket holders turn against Gary, he will be in the unemployment line so fast it's not even funny.

I'm not afraid of what another coach could do with this team. I think that another coaching staff could make the changes neccessary to make this team a real winner. They would not be wedded to Kubiak's personal feelings towards some players and coaches.

There is a total lack of passion on this team and I blame that on Kubiak. Did anyone see the Dolphins vs Jets games last night? Those two teams were foaming at the mouth to knock each other down. We do not get like that.

[footballfan412]

I'm not afraid of what another coach could do with this team. I think that another coaching staff could make the changes neccessary to make this team a real winner. They would not be wedded to Kubiak's personal feelings towards some players and coaches.

There is a total lack of passion on this team and I blame that on Kubiak. Did anyone see the Dolphins vs Jets games last night? Those two teams were foaming at the mouth to knock each other down. We do not get like that.


Yep, I did see the game last night. And yeah, there was some serious intensity between those two teams. You could tell. There was a lot of ferocioius energy going on.

We do get like that, but it's only against one team: Tennessee. Something happens when we play Tennessee that turns us into murderous bulldogs. The rest of the games, players appear to take it or leave it. But Tennessee? They become killers.

[Texan Heat]

I'm not afraid of what another coach could do with this team. I think that another coaching staff could make the changes neccessary to make this team a real winner. They would not be wedded to Kubiak's personal feelings towards some players and coaches.

There is a total lack of passion on this team and I blame that on Kubiak. Did anyone see the Dolphins vs Jets games last night? Those two teams were foaming at the mouth to knock each other down. We do not get like that.

Man that was a great game last night. They fought tooth and nail all game long. We had that vs the Titans and then we played low to the Jags. Not sure what happened in Arizona and then we saw both sides of the ball gel together which lead to a great 2nd half. Not sure why the play calling was what it was on the goal line but I wish I could see that passion every game... unless of course we've already clinched a playoff spot. :)

[CoogBull]

Man that was a great game last night. They fought tooth and nail all game long. We had that vs the Titans and then we played low to the Jags. Not sure what happened in Arizona and then we saw both sides of the ball gel together which lead to a great 2nd half. Not sure why the play calling was what it was on the goal line but I wish I could see that passion every game... unless of course we've already clinched a playoff spot. :)

It was a heck of a game. It scares the heck out of me to see the Fins move the ball on the ground that well. They can still work that darn Wildcat well. I thought it would have flamed out by now.

I would not object to James Casey being put in the Wildcat formation inside the 5 like Miami did last night.

[Texan Heat]

It was a heck of a game. It scares the heck out of me to see the Fins move the ball on the ground that well. They can still work that darn Wildcat well. I thought it would have flamed out by now.

I would not object to James Casey being put in the Wildcat formation inside the 5 like Miami did last night.

That's a question that I would like answered as to why he's on the team but not allowed to do the things that Kubs and Co. said he is here to do...?

And come December 27 in Miami, I hope that Bush and our Defense is ready for the wildcat that seems superior to what it was when we first played them. It seems to be clicking quite well now. If it comes down to a shoot out then I hope our run game is improved when we get to not just the red zone but also on the one yard line.

[CoogBull]

That's a question that I would like answered as to why he's on the team but not allowed to do the things that Kubs and Co. said he is here to do...?

And come December 27 in Miami, I hope that Bush and our Defense is ready for the wildcat that seems superior to what it was when we first played them. It seems to be clicking quite well now. If it comes down to a shoot out then I hope our run game is improved when we get to not just the red zone but also on the one yard line.

I wonder if it will be a shoot out. Miami is a good running team. The time of possession when they played the Colts was astounding. I still can not see how they lost that game.

The best way to beat the Texans is by running it down our throats, controlling the clock, and keeping our potent offense off the field. The Fins can do that.

[Texan Heat]

I wonder if it will be a shoot out. Miami is a good running team. The time of possession when they played the Colts was astounding. I still can not see how they lost that game.

The best way to beat the Texans is by running it down our throats, controlling the clock, and keeping our potent offense off the field. The Fins can do that.

I'm being the glass is half full optimistic on this one because it's down the line in the schedule and I've seen flashes of our what our Defense can do. So I'm hoping we can maybe cause them to punt a few possessions and hopefully we can score on most possessions...

I'm really hoping that we will be fighting for a winning record by that time though :) and hoping that our playcalling gets better as the season goes along... well, we can only hope!

[Houston Texans_]

Are you ready?

No, are you REALLY ready?

Because here's the truth. The reality. The gosh durned most amazing thing hit me this morning...

This Texans team is REALLY good. Don't believe me?

We've lost one game by more than a touchdown. Out of 5. That's a REALLY good stat to think about.

We've had chances to win two out of our three losses in the FINAL minutes of the game. That's a REALLY good stat to think about.

Our team has been blown out once in five games, and by a defense that went on to beat the Titans (granted, they look like crap right now) and the Pats (not so much crap, eh?). The held the Patsies to no offensive TDs, just like they did us. That's not something to take for granted. They are indeed good.

We were not expected to compete with the Titans, but we have. We were not supposed to be able to contain the Zona high-flying offense, but look at the second half...we did.

Our defense IS legit. Our offense IS legit.

There are kinks, yes. Chinks in the armor are evident all OVER the NFL. Look at the Cowboys. That win yesterday against a team WORSE than the Titans looked like crap. They couldn't get it done in overtime on their first offensive possession. Good thing the Chiefs royally flubbed up their chances to win it....

The fact these games are close is a reality check. The fact we've had legitimate chances to be 4 and 1...that's a VERY big reality check.

Of course, you have those who say, "the really great teams win the close ones." Sure, the REALLY great teams do. The ones who are the elite teams. If we are one rung below the elite teams this season, then I am very happy.

We are 5 games in. Sure, we are 2-3. But get off'em. Kubiak doesn't need to be fired...yet. Give him the rest of the season. He's shown he can keep his team in the game. If the team loses it in the final minutes, it's still a loss, yes, but it's a **** fun one.

I hate to say it, but if we go 7-9 or 8-8 and all but one of our losses are by one touchdown or less, I want Kubiak back. When a defense keeps you in a game...they don't suck.

We didn't give up one big rushing play in the game. Tim Hightower and Beanie Wells are not scrubs. They are legit NFL starters, who combined for a very mesely rushing total. I applaud our defense for doing that. Forget the passing TDs. They held one of the most potent offenses (with ALL their weapons healthy) to no points in the second half. NONE. Nada. ZILCH. Zippo. ZEEEEEEERO.


All you naysayers complain "a loss is a loss", and sure it is, except when was the last time you were actually watching a Texans game in the fourth quarter with minutes left? Welcome to real fandom. You live and die in the final minutes of the fourth quarter.

Losses are heartbreaks, but when it's by one touchdown or less, one or two plays or less, it's better than a blowout.

It's time the fans started acting like them. Sure, you have a right to criticize, but you also have a privalege to watch a very VERY good football team compete week in and week out. You've been given the opportunity to watch the beginnings of a defense that is proving it can be really REALLY good. You've been given the opportunity to watch an offense pick up where it left off last season slowly but surely. You're watching the beginnings of a team that is gelling.

Yes, the loss hurts. Real fans dwell on it Sunday, and wake up Monday and go "It's a new week." So quit your whining. Quit your belly-achin'. This team doesn't suck. The fair-weather fans do.

These Texans are on the rise, regardless the win-loss count. They will be this good and better for years to come. At least another two or three, most likely more. We aren't the laughing stock you all seem to think. We've only been blown out once. And that was week one, against a very potent Jets team.

So shut up or move on, but don't make it hell for the rest of us. The real fans are tired of hearing the fakers and the crybabies. Move on. Get out.

THIS IS OUR HOUSE! RESPECT IT!!! OR GO HOME!

100% in agreement

[bigmck]

It was a heck of a game. It scares the heck out of me to see the Fins move the ball on the ground that well. They can still work that darn Wildcat well. I thought it would have flamed out by now.

I would not object to James Casey being put in the Wildcat formation inside the 5 like Miami did last night.

I am surprised that there isn't some type of play where Owen Daniels is passing. The Texans don't have any surprise stuff.

[outofhnd]

Ok for the guy who said i want to keep him forever I said 1 more year after this one let all his acquisitions mature and the contract run its course. Its easy to build a .500 team as we have seen but the next step takes some more time we just had 2 seasons of .500 how do you think we are ready for playoffs I think with the roster value we have plus if we can show statistical improvements as well as about the sane record he will stay another year and it be a make or break season if the team quits on him then hes fired but I think if players will back him behind closed doors then he is in the clear for the term of his contract. look at the giants they were the same way then they righted the ship won the superbowl now coughlin isnt going anywhere it just takes more than 4 years to build what we want to see a perrenial playoff contender not just 1 year in the playoffs. to satisfy the impatient masses

[outofhnd]

I am surprised that there isn't some type of play where Owen Daniels is passing. The Texans don't have any surprise stuff.

If you cant execute the basics why incorporate trickery?

[protoTexans]

I am surprised that there isn't some type of play where Owen Daniels is passing. The Texans don't have any surprise stuff.

As Coog said, I am surprised we have not seen anymore of Casey in some form or another... He is a weapon, so use him!!!

[Texan Heat]

As Coog said, I am surprised we have not seen anymore of Casey in some form or another... He is a weapon, so use him!!!

Another real question to ask is what would the playcalling be if we're in the same boat next week against Cincy on the one yard line. Would they change it up or try the same ol' same ol'?

[houstonsportsfan09]

Another real question to ask is what would the playcalling be if we're in the same boat next week against Cincy on the one yard line. Would they change it up or try the same ol' same ol'?

You know the answer to that. The same ol' same ol'

[protoTexans]

Another real question to ask is what would the playcalling be if we're in the same boat next week against Cincy on the one yard line. Would they change it up or try the same ol' same ol'?


They had better change 'em up, or am gonna pull an Elvis on my TV!!!:eek:

[CoogBull]

If you cant execute the basics why incorporate trickery?

Well I think they soured on the Wildcat because they had limited success with it last season when Jacoby was running it.

[Texan Heat]

They had better change 'em up, or am gonna pull an Elvis on my TV!!!:eek:

I watch alot of games here at work and I swear this laptop of mine might just walk itself off the roof one day if no changes are made on playcalling...:D

[Texan Heat]

You know the answer to that. The same ol' same ol'

C.r.a.p. I hope not :p

[jonco99]

Plus, TE Daniels could have done a small hook rout in the endzone and might have been wide open. This team is actually fun to watch and competitive.
Can`t wait to see if the Texans get it all together for the Pats last game of the season and still be in contention. I think that game could go a long way to determine next year`s coaching status. IMO PS. Let`s concentrate on the Bengals next week & one game at a time. GO TEXANS!!!!!!!

[Yosarian]

I think Kubiak is scared that Matty will get hurt.

Then put big Dan O in for the sneak. Get some value for him running the qbsneak.

[Wolverine]

Is this Marc Vandermeer?


Are you ready?

No, are you REALLY ready?

Because here's the truth. The reality. The gosh durned most amazing thing hit me this morning...

This Texans team is REALLY good. Don't believe me?

We've lost one game by more than a touchdown. Out of 5. That's a REALLY good stat to think about.

We've had chances to win two out of our three losses in the FINAL minutes of the game. That's a REALLY good stat to think about.

Our team has been blown out once in five games, and by a defense that went on to beat the Titans (granted, they look like crap right now) and the Pats (not so much crap, eh?). The held the Patsies to no offensive TDs, just like they did us. That's not something to take for granted. They are indeed good.

We were not expected to compete with the Titans, but we have. We were not supposed to be able to contain the Zona high-flying offense, but look at the second half...we did.

Our defense IS legit. Our offense IS legit.

There are kinks, yes. Chinks in the armor are evident all OVER the NFL. Look at the Cowboys. That win yesterday against a team WORSE than the Titans looked like crap. They couldn't get it done in overtime on their first offensive possession. Good thing the Chiefs royally flubbed up their chances to win it....

The fact these games are close is a reality check. The fact we've had legitimate chances to be 4 and 1...that's a VERY big reality check.

Of course, you have those who say, "the really great teams win the close ones." Sure, the REALLY great teams do. The ones who are the elite teams. If we are one rung below the elite teams this season, then I am very happy.

We are 5 games in. Sure, we are 2-3. But get off'em. Kubiak doesn't need to be fired...yet. Give him the rest of the season. He's shown he can keep his team in the game. If the team loses it in the final minutes, it's still a loss, yes, but it's a **** fun one.

I hate to say it, but if we go 7-9 or 8-8 and all but one of our losses are by one touchdown or less, I want Kubiak back. When a defense keeps you in a game...they don't suck.

We didn't give up one big rushing play in the game. Tim Hightower and Beanie Wells are not scrubs. They are legit NFL starters, who combined for a very mesely rushing total. I applaud our defense for doing that. Forget the passing TDs. They held one of the most potent offenses (with ALL their weapons healthy) to no points in the second half. NONE. Nada. ZILCH. Zippo. ZEEEEEEERO.


All you naysayers complain "a loss is a loss", and sure it is, except when was the last time you were actually watching a Texans game in the fourth quarter with minutes left? Welcome to real fandom. You live and die in the final minutes of the fourth quarter.

Losses are heartbreaks, but when it's by one touchdown or less, one or two plays or less, it's better than a blowout.

It's time the fans started acting like them. Sure, you have a right to criticize, but you also have a privalege to watch a very VERY good football team compete week in and week out. You've been given the opportunity to watch the beginnings of a defense that is proving it can be really REALLY good. You've been given the opportunity to watch an offense pick up where it left off last season slowly but surely. You're watching the beginnings of a team that is gelling.

Yes, the loss hurts. Real fans dwell on it Sunday, and wake up Monday and go "It's a new week." So quit your whining. Quit your belly-achin'. This team doesn't suck. The fair-weather fans do.

These Texans are on the rise, regardless the win-loss count. They will be this good and better for years to come. At least another two or three, most likely more. We aren't the laughing stock you all seem to think. We've only been blown out once. And that was week one, against a very potent Jets team.

So shut up or move on, but don't make it hell for the rest of us. The real fans are tired of hearing the fakers and the crybabies. Move on. Get out.

THIS IS OUR HOUSE! RESPECT IT!!! OR GO HOME!

[SuperstarII]

Is this Marc Vandermeer?


LOL

If that were the case then you would be hearing his tag line with something like rock-n-roll in it some where.

4 years is enough time to evaluate kubiak. If you don't agree wit that, then you are probably some how related to him and love his 1 million dollar paycheck coming in every season...

[footballfan412]

LOL

If that were the case then you would be hearing his tag line with something like rock-n-roll in it some where.

4 years is enough time to evaluate kubiak. If you don't agree wit that, then you are probably some how related to him and love his 1 million dollar paycheck coming in every season...

Or, we would be hearing about the Vander Kid and the Vander Wife.

[WaldovonPutz]

Can`t wait to see if the Texans get it all together for the Pats last game of the season and still be in contention. I think that game could go a long way to determine next year`s coaching status. IMO

When it comes to Kubiak outcoaching Belichick, I will hope for the best but wouldn't bet the bank on it. Unless the Pats have it all sewed up by that time, we will be decided underdogs.

[LM_Baller]

When it comes to Kubiak outcoaching Belichick, I will hope for the best but wouldn't bet the bank on it. Unless the Pats have it all sewed up by that time, we will be decided underdogs.

Just like the Broncos were underdogs. The Pats just upgraded with Seau. Big whup.

[protoTexans]

Well I think they soured on the Wildcat because they had limited success with it last season when Jacoby was running it.


JJ is No Casey thats for sure. If he does not run he can pass it. We need to use this Kid other than just being a blocking decoy!

[CoogBull]

JJ is No Casey thats for sure. If he does not run he can pass it. We need to use this Kid other than just being a blocking decoy!

We just need to try something. People are high on Casey so might as well give them what they want.

[WaldovonPutz]

Just like the Broncos were underdogs. The Pats just upgraded with Seau. Big whup.

Well, the Pats were upset by a rookie head coach who was Belichick's offensive coordinater last year. The guy has come in and after losing his starting QB Cutler has gone 5-0 and has his team playing like demons. So far he also looks like an upgrade over our boy Gary. Maybe he learned something from his time with the Pats?

[LM_Baller]

Well, the Pats were upset by a rookie head coach who was Belichick's offensive coordinater last year. The guy has come in and after losing his starting QB Cutler has gone 5-0 and has his team playing like demons. So far he also looks like an upgrade over our boy Gary. Maybe he learned something from his time with the Pats?

Or it could be the Broncos have had a crap schedule thus far. One fluke last-second win over Cinci, then they feasted on Cleveland and Oakland, beat a bad cowboys team that is struggling to find their rudder, and finally a Pats team that may be finally at the end of its rope.