Does 7-9 save Kubiak's job

[rherrera]

If the Texans go 7-9 this season, will Kubiak be back as head coach next year? What about 8-8?

[houstonsportsfan09]

I know your new here, but there are 50 million other Kubiak and new coaching threads out there. Just takes a little searching. Though, unfortunately, yes 7-9 will save his job.

[LM_Baller]

I know your new here, but there are 50 million other Kubiak and new coaching threads out there. Just takes a little searching. Though, unfortunately, yes 7-9 will save his job.

LOL

Dude, while you are partially correct about the other threads, and I'm not speaking specifically about you, riddle me this: Why do people who have invested little more than wasted hours at work arguing on the internet feel as if they have earned tenure? I have seen it time and again for the several decades I have been on forums, BBs, Newsgroups, etc., that people seem to equate post-count or their join date with some sort of tacit caste elevation or a mark of one's ingenuity or intelligence.

Post count and/or seat-time in front of a monitor does not equate to veracity or accuracy of one's thoughts.

[TexansFan281]

If the Texans go 7-9 this season, will Kubiak be back as head coach next year? What about 8-8?

Blah blah blah...

[houstonsportsfan09]

LOL

Dude, while you are partially correct about the other threads, and I'm not speaking specifically about you, riddle me this: Why do people who have invested little more than wasted hours at work arguing on the internet feel as if they have earned tenure? I have seen it time and again for the several decades I have been on forums, BBs, Newsgroups, etc., that people seem to equate post-count or their join date with some sort of tacit caste elevation or a mark of one's ingenuity or intelligence.

Post count and/or seat-time in front of a monitor does not equate to veracity or accuracy of one's thoughts.

I'm know you said it wasnt directed at me but I'm not calling him out or think I am superior over everyone and everything. Nor am I questioning his "fandom". I dont think he is a new fan, but rather just new to the team MBs. To make all feel better, WELCOME TO THE BOARD RHERRERA! I HOPE YOU STAY A LONG TIME AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE BOARD! AGAIN, WELCOME TO THE BOARD!

[youngtexanbull]

Me and a friend were having this argument before the season started. He was of the opinion of a winning season being necessary. I kept arguing that there were to many variables involved and the key point would be our performance.

At this point our performance has been sub-par, so now I am of the opinion that a winning season is necessary.

[TheReaver]

9-7 better not keep him around. Before the season started I said that anything less than 10-6 is unnacceptable, and it should be. You really can't say playoffs or bust since who knows what the playoff number will be (Pats missed at 11-5 last year). At the beginning of the year I figued that a 9-7 or 8-8 season would be dissapointing but Kubiak would get 1 more shot. After the things I have seen through these first few games I think anything less than 10-6 should mean his job.

[houstonsportsfan09]

Remember, it's all about "What have you done for me lately?". We'll be asking at the end of the season, "What has Kubiak done for you lately?"

[thunderkyss]

To me, it shouldn't be about W-L just yet.

If I were McNair, I'm going to ask myself.... what do I want this franchise to be, & what is it going to take to get it there. If Win at all cost is the answer, I've got to ask myself does GK/RS have what it takes to do that.... if not, then they have got to go.

If I want a winner, but I also want a respectable, clean, hardworking, family oriented team... then I've got to ask myself if GK/RS have this franchise on track. If not, they've got to go. If they do.... then I've got to stick with them.

Otherwise... I'm going to be looking at doing this for another 4 years.

Yeah, I get it. If all we want to do is win.... and nothing else matters, then Kubiak/Smith is not getting the job done.

If McNair is asking for more.... & I think he is... then it's going to take more time.

But I believe we will be a 10 win team before this season is over. We may not have more than 10 wins... But I think we will be that good.

We won't be hoping the Patriots are sitting their best players. We will know that our best can stand toe to toe with their best.

Miami & STL won't have us in their "should win" column.. They'll know that they'll have to bring their A game.

We aren't there now, I know that. but we will be.

[footballfan412]

9-7 better not keep him around. Before the season started I said that anything less than 10-6 is unnacceptable, and it should be. You really can't say playoffs or bust since who knows what the playoff number will be (Pats missed at 11-5 last year). At the beginning of the year I figued that a 9-7 or 8-8 season would be dissapointing but Kubiak would get 1 more shot. After the things I have seen through these first few games I think anything less than 10-6 should mean his job.

Agree. That's what I said over the summer: 10-6 or nothing.

[Sportswriter79]

My guess is that there will be enough hope for improvement and few bad breaks as excuses (injuries, close losses) that Gary will get his 5th year. We may also get the normal end-of-season winning streak.

[footballfan412]

The boss already said he expects improvement this year. That means better than 8-8.

Yep. He said it at the end of last year, and he has said it a couple of times this year. I bet McNair called Gary into a private meeting sometime earlier this year and set specific goals. I bet he told him, "Gary, I need X wins from you this year."

[Texansneedhelp]

There for sure needs to be an improvement over 8-8. The division is alot weaker than its been in the last 2 years. It should be our chance to bust out and be at least 2nd in the division. I figured the Titans would take a step back losing Haynesworth, the Jags are more inconsistant that us, but the Colts sort of suprised me on being more dominant in offense. I would say for him to keep his job he would need to finish at least 2nd in the division and show more consistant play. I do think Frank Bush may be the nail in the coffin for Kubs, our defense isn't getting it done as of right now.

[SuperstarII]

Yep. He said it at the end of last year, and he has said it a couple of times this year. I bet McNair called Gary into a private meeting sometime earlier this year and set specific goals. I bet he told him, "Gary, I need X wins from you this year."

McNair has already stated to Kubiak that he wants playoffs this year. Even McNair has realized 4 years is enough time. He probably saw how the Falcons are doing and is jealous of their success.

7-9 is not enough to keep his job.

[thunderkyss]

9-7 better not keep him around. Before the season started I said that anything less than 10-6 is unnacceptable, and it should be. You really can't say playoffs or bust since who knows what the playoff number will be (Pats missed at 11-5 last year). At the beginning of the year I figued that a 9-7 or 8-8 season would be dissapointing but Kubiak would get 1 more shot. After the things I have seen through these first few games I think anything less than 10-6 should mean his job.

If we are 10-4 and lay eggs against Miami & New England, because we don't belong in those games.... I'd be more upset than if we were 5-9 & played like we belong..... like a good team.

Otherwise, we'll start all over again. 4 years ago, my glasses were as rose colored as could get. I thought this team had the talent to win, and Kubiak was going to come in & wave his wand, and we would start winning.

It took us 3 years to get a starting set of line backers.... we are still weak on the DL... & if anything, we didn't field a starting secondary until this past Sunday.

We can't run the system that Gary Kubiak practically invented..... we've got the coach that is supposed to be able to teach this system, and we don't get it.

We don't have a running back. I know you want to think that we do.... but we don't.

& the leader of our offense is one of (if not) the most inconsitent players.

Gary's fault.... yeah, probably so.

But if we're playing good football in November & December, I couldn't care less what the record is. & If McNair can't tell........ he needs to get someone in here who can.

[bckey]

I asked McClain almost this exact same question in his blog last week and he said yes. He said it would take a disater of 5-11 or 4-12 to get Kubiak fired. I still don't believe it.

[BMT TEXAN]

Blast me if ya want but Kubs will be back next year & YEARS after that. I have no inside scoop or anything like that, but IMHO Mr. McNair is the type of guy who values/trust his employees to do their jobs to fullest of their capabilities & he also seems not to be a fan of change. We all knew Capers & crew should have been fired the year b4 he got the ax, but Mr. McNair gave him another year cuz of loyalty to the guys that he hires. Now im no expert at figuring people out but looking at Mr. McNairs history with how he handles his OWN personnel decisions, Kubs will be around longer than alot of people think & yes 7-9 will save Kubs job. Dont be suprised to see Kubs as one of the longest-tenured coaches in the NFL & yes for our beloved Texans & i for one have no problem with it. Jus giving my thoughts!!!

[footballfan412]

Blast me if ya want but Kubs will be back next year & YEARS after that. I have no inside scoop or anything like that, but IMHO Mr. McNair is the type of guy who values/trust his employees to do their jobs to fullest of their capabilities & he also seems not to be a fan of change. We all knew Capers & crew should have been fired the year b4 he got the ax, but Mr. McNair gave him another year cuz of loyalty to the guys that he hires. Now im no expert at figuring people out but looking at Mr. McNairs history with how he handles his OWN personnel decisions, Kubs will be around longer than alot of people think & yes 7-9 will save Kubs job. Dont be suprised to see Kubs as one of the longest-tenured coaches in the NFL & yes for our beloved Texans & i for one have no problem with it. Jus giving my thoughts!!!

1) Kubiak has not done his job to the fullest of capabilities. Everyone knows that. We can't even get one yard.

2) McNair has said, more than once, that 8-8 will not cut it. He's been pretty clear about that.

[SuperstarII]

Blast me if ya want but Kubs will be back next year & YEARS after that. I have no inside scoop or anything like that, but IMHO Mr. McNair is the type of guy who values/trust his employees to do their jobs to fullest of their capabilities & he also seems not to be a fan of change. We all knew Capers & crew should have been fired the year b4 he got the ax, but Mr. McNair gave him another year cuz of loyalty to the guys that he hires. Now im no expert at figuring people out but looking at Mr. McNairs history with how he handles his OWN personnel decisions, Kubs will be around longer than alot of people think & yes 7-9 will save Kubs job. Dont be suprised to see Kubs as one of the longest-tenured coaches in the NFL & yes for our beloved Texans & i for one have no problem with it. Jus giving my thoughts!!!


see post #15 for my answer.

[CoogBull]

Blast me if ya want but Kubs will be back next year & YEARS after that. I have no inside scoop or anything like that, but IMHO Mr. McNair is the type of guy who values/trust his employees to do their jobs to fullest of their capabilities & he also seems not to be a fan of change. We all knew Capers & crew should have been fired the year b4 he got the ax, but Mr. McNair gave him another year cuz of loyalty to the guys that he hires. Now im no expert at figuring people out but looking at Mr. McNairs history with how he handles his OWN personnel decisions, Kubs will be around longer than alot of people think & yes 7-9 will save Kubs job. Dont be suprised to see Kubs as one of the longest-tenured coaches in the NFL & yes for our beloved Texans & i for one have no problem with it. Jus giving my thoughts!!!

McNair did not get to where he is by allowing failure. So far that is what Gary has been.

Gary Kubiak was handed a bad team with not identity. He has improved that team. Still, a good coach is the one who can get a team over the hump. He has not been able to do that after being given all the space he needed to put his system and people in place. Kubiak and Smith have been given all the resources and support they could want. Yet, they are still putting a barely competative, inconsistent, and sometimes down right terrible team on the field.

At some point people need to answer for their work. It is Gary's time. If McNair stays loyal to him it shows he does not care about bringing a winner to Houston.

[vanknights2002]

I think his job is safe. Look at what he had to work with his first year and what he has now. The glaring holes are on the O-line and D-line. But he did draft Caldwell in the third whose going to be a good C/G. The problem is at C and RG. Chris Myers isn't the answer and Kub has overrated his line this year. But we have the talent and remember that the D is getting use to the new D too. Kub has at least one more year.

[CoogBull]

I think his job is safe. Look at what he had to work with his first year and what he has now. The glaring holes are on the O-line and D-line. But he did draft Caldwell in the third whose going to be a good C/G. The problem is at C and RG. Chris Myers isn't the answer and Kub has overrated his line this year. But we have the talent and remember that the D is getting use to the new D too. Kub has at least one more year.

There are glaring holes on the O-line and D-line. Gary has not had success at fixing those problems. Chris Myers is Kubiak's guy. That is why he is playing. We gave away a draft pick to get him. That is how much Gary likes this guy. I keep hearing the "one ore year" argument and it reminds me of last season. Then everyone wanted to give him one more year. How much darn time does he need? Other teams turn it around while we still are inconsistent and shoddy in many places. If there are still glaring holes why are we not asking why the heck we are drafting players we do not need? At some point the one more year argument needs to die.

[vanknights2002]

Myers is Kub guy and he does have to go. They tried to fix the NT with BIG FRANK but hasn't pan out. Caldwell will replace Myers by next year. RG will be address this year along with NT and FS. But you are saying that we should bring in a coach and have him win with the guys Kub has pick. It take 4 to 5 years to turn around a team. Those teams that turn it around in one already have guys in place. We have gone from needing every spot to just a few. I don't want a one year wonder, but a every year contender. We have finished 8-8 the past two years, but we want better. We have a great LT, RT and a nasty LG that has to do it every down.
So lets see, we need a Powerback, RG,C( i think that will be Caldwell in next year), NT and a FS.
2002 we needed QB,RB,FB, WR,TE,O-line, D-line, SAM, MIK, WIL, CB, FS, and SS.
Get off of Kub, he is doing his job. Most people don't like the fact that in press conferences he take the blame. ND Kalu said on the radio that behind close doors he does call out player.That is call IN HOUSE and Kub doesn't bring that matter OUT of HOUSE.

[outofhnd]

Depends do you want a 1 and done playoff run or do you want a consistent franchise?

I agree with most of Kubiaks decisions. I feel the pros outweight the cons and that Kubiak has atleast satisfied to the point he warrants his job till his contact expires.

Pros - Improved talent level on this team thru the draft and FA
Improved our franchise.

Since Kubiak took over we have gone 6-10, 8-8, 8-8, That is a respectable number considering Roster turnover (only 3 players remain from previous regime.) and injuries I think in 2007 we led the league in players on IR. I feel he has done enough to stay till his contract expires to see if he can get better results.

There is not much player criticism of the coach so its not an issue where players are quitting on Kubes.. If that happens then you might see Kubiak go but I think McNair is excited and looking at the glass as half full sure we would like to win more games who wouldn't but the product on the field is not just bad. it is a good product with some correctable flaws. I feel we should pursue a veteran guard as well as draft I would also like to see another running back talent to share the load. I think Kubiak is safe till its time to re up the deal unless the players quit on him this year they feel they are progressing. so... lets see what happens

[footballfan412]

There are glaring holes on the O-line and D-line. Gary has not had success at fixing those problems. Chris Myers is Kubiak's guy. That is why he is playing. We gave away a draft pick to get him. That is how much Gary likes this guy. I keep hearing the "one ore year" argument and it reminds me of last season. Then everyone wanted to give him one more year. How much darn time does he need? Other teams turn it around while we still are inconsistent and shoddy in many places. If there are still glaring holes why are we not asking why the heck we are drafting players we do not need? At some point the one more year argument needs to die.

I agree. I'm also getting tired of the "look at what he started with" argument. True, he pretty much had to scrap the entire team and rebuild. But four years is PLENTY of time for significant improvement.

[outofhnd]

I agree. I'm also getting tired of the "look at what he started with" argument. True, he pretty much had to scrap the entire team and rebuild. But four years is PLENTY of time for significant improvement.

2-14 to consecutive 8-8 years is not an improvement. especially with no cornerstones except AJ..

Offense hasn't gone from last in the league to 3rd last year that isnt an improvement?

You act like he isn't even trying to improve this team. he scrapped the entire defense and started with only D rob as a holdover. you cant build a consistent playoff caliber team in under 4 years. I think belichek amde the superbowl in year 5. and that is with more talent than we had. hes tried to redo the running game its not like he hasn't tried things. You can't improve everything in 4 years with only 2 key pieces in place,

Lets look at areas he has improved
QB - David Carr - Matt Schaub
RB - Dominick Davis - Steve Slaton
LT - Seth Wand - Ephraim Salaam - Duane brown
RT - Zach Wiegart - Eric Winston
WR2 - Corey Bradford - Kevin Walter
TE - Billy Miller - Owen Daniels
TE2 - mark Bruener - Joel Dreesen
PR/KR - JJ moses - Jacoby Jones and Andre Davis

DE - Gary Walker - Mario Williams
DT - Anthony Maddux - Amobi Okoye
MLB - Jamie Sharper - Demeco Ryans
WLB - Morlon Greenwood - Zac Diles
SLB - Danny Clark - Brian Cushing
CB2 - Demarcus Faggins - Jacque Reeves
FS - Marcus Coleman - Eugene Wilson

even more could pan out if Connor barwin, Glover Quin, and mcCain pan out as well as Pollard at SS

How can you tell me that with all that improvement and possible development he shouldnt atleast be able to fulfill his contractual obligations. He should get that at least with a possible extenston if the team shows improvement. he has done enough for this franchise in my view to turn this franchise into at the very least a respectable franchise. Something we did not have at any point under the capers era.

[CoogBull]

Depends do you want a 1 and done playoff run or do you want a consistent franchise?

I agree with most of Kubiaks decisions. I feel the pros outweight the cons and that Kubiak has atleast satisfied to the point he warrants his job till his contact expires.

Pros - Improved talent level on this team thru the draft and FA
Improved our franchise.

Since Kubiak took over we have gone 6-10, 8-8, 8-8, That is a respectable number considering Roster turnover (only 3 players remain from previous regime.) and injuries I think in 2007 we led the league in players on IR. I feel he has done enough to stay till his contract expires to see if he can get better results.

There is not much player criticism of the coach so its not an issue where players are quitting on Kubes.. If that happens then you might see Kubiak go but I think McNair is excited and looking at the glass as half full sure we would like to win more games who wouldn't but the product on the field is not just bad. it is a good product with some correctable flaws. I feel we should pursue a veteran guard as well as draft I would also like to see another running back talent to share the load. I think Kubiak is safe till its time to re up the deal unless the players quit on him this year they feel they are progressing. so... lets see what happens

I understand your argument but I could not disagree more. Your first assumption is that what he is building here is a winner and that more time will bear that out. Yet the evidence is just not there. The record does not reflect improvement. After four years of having a free hand he should have what he wants here. If your argument was valid then there would never be a justified firing. Every coach would be given more time because I doubt there is a coach out there who is not trying to build a winner.

If McNair is giving him more time it seems to indicate to me that he does not value success. Gary has had adequate time to put his people and system in place. His system is just not working. His small linemen can not get the push needed to run the ball.

[El KahunaGrande]

Kubiak will be our coach through at least next season.

[vanknights2002]

So your saying Coogbull bring in a different guy and let he reap the benifits of the team that Kub built.
Resent history for you John Gruden took Tony Dungy's team to the Superbowl and won. Then Gruden destroyed the team the next year. Then Barry Switzer won one with Jimmy Johnson's guy and destroyed the team after.
Let the guy finish his job and it take years to build throw the draft. We didn't have the Herschel Walker Trade to help like Jimmy did.

[wildroot]

I think his job is safe. Look at what he had to work with his first year and what he has now. The glaring holes are on the O-line and D-line. But he did draft Caldwell in the third whose going to be a good C/G. The problem is at C and RG. Chris Myers isn't the answer and Kub has overrated his line this year. But we have the talent and remember that the D is getting use to the new D too. Kub has at least one more year.

4 years into Kubiak's regime we shouldn't have glaring holes anywhere. Every team has a "most help needed" area, it's like that peg game, you knock one down and another will pop up. There are no perfect teams, thats why even the really good ones get scored on and why there are no 100-0 scores. Every team has holes, Minn just brought in a 40 year old QB and they're 5-0, Indy lost one of their star receivers during the off season (5-0), Denver lost their star QB and brought in a rookie HC (5-0) NY Giant's star receiver is in prison (5-0) the Saints have their issues (4-0).

My point is, is that Kubiak has had almost 4 years to build this team and 4 years in we're sitting at 2-3, those two wins coming against two teams with a combined record of 1-9. I mean how long does this go on?!? How long do we have to keep giving him more time while we continue to see other teams turn their franchises around in ONE off-season with rookie HCs, rookie QBs, and in some cases totally revamped teams. And these are all excuses that you all would use as to why we need more time, and these other teams made it happen with what they had.

Next year ya'll will be saying that we only need to upgrade some other position and then we'll be ready to compete, and it'll be some other position the following year. before you know it we'll be looking to replace AJ as he will have gotten old and slow.
We've got these undersized O-Linemen to run the ZBS and now we can't push a D-line back to pick up a yard in 4 tries. That's not going to change until we bulk up our O-Line. We've got some prime beef on our D-Line, but they can't get pressure cause the QB is always able to find an open receiver to dump off to. And for some reason known only to the FO, we just HAD to have all these TEs on this team rather than trading down or trading for a hot-shot DB.

I loved the Kubiak hire when it happened, but guys, we're 4 years in and this team isn't getting any better. If it does, that'll be a wonderful thing, but if not Kubiak has to go at season's end.

[outofhnd]

I understand your argument but I could not disagree more. Your first assumption is that what he is building here is a winner and that more time will bear that out. Yet the evidence is just not there. The record does not reflect improvement. After four years of having a free hand he should have what he wants here. If your argument was valid then there would never be a justified firing. Every coach would be given more time because I doubt there is a coach out there who is not trying to build a winner.

If McNair is giving him more time it seems to indicate to me that he does not value success. Gary has had adequate time to put his people and system in place. His system is just not working. His small linemen can not get the push needed to run the ball.

I disagree it took Jeff fisher's 5th season as a coach to reach the playoffs
Bill Cowher over 4 years
I want a perrenial playoff contender not some flash in the pan. I want someone who is in it for the long haul you seem to think an NFL franchise can turn into a winner with no issues. and if we change coaches and we get the same results what then? Its all about faith there is no right answer I just know some of the best coaches in the game took a lot longer than 4 years to accomplish what you want accomplished. most firings are not justified.

Even Cleveland Fired Bill Belichek, Tony Dungy was fired in Tampa,
I feel you undervalue all the moves Kubiak and company have made for this team that have really provided benefits and made this team something you seem to think can replace the head of and win.

[wildroot]

So your saying Coogbull bring in a different guy and let he reap the benifits of the team that Kub built.
Resent history for you John Gruden took Tony Dungy's team to the Superbowl and won. Then Gruden destroyed the team the next year. Then Barry Switzer won one with Jimmy Johnson's guy and destroyed the team after.
Let the guy finish his job and it take years to build throw the draft. We didn't have the Herschel Walker Trade to help like Jimmy did.

So how many more years do you want to give the guy?!?
If you give him 7 or 8 more years he'll probably stumble into a playoff berth just based off injuries that other teams are faced with or perhaps the stars will be aligned just right.

[outofhnd]

Tom coughlin stumbled to a superbowl win now ask NY if they would replace coughlin.. They have by most critics the best team in the league,

[wildroot]

I disagree it took Jeff fisher's 5th season as a coach to reach the playoffs
Bill Cowher over 4 years
I want a perrenial playoff contender not some flash in the pan. I want someone who is in it for the long haul you seem to think an NFL franchise can turn into a winner with no issues. and if we change coaches and we get the same results what then? Its all about faith there is no right answer I just know some of the best coaches in the game took a lot longer than 4 years to accomplish what you want accomplished. most firings are not justified.

Even Cleveland Fired Bill Belichek, Tony Dungy was fired in Tampa,
I feel you undervalue all the moves Kubiak and company have made for this team that have really provided benefits and made this team something you can replace the head of and win.

Bill Cowher was winning 11, 9, 12, 11 games his first 4 years as the HC....I can live with that even if we miss the playoffs. Jeff Fisher's team was living on the road as they didn't have a home at that time. What's Kubiak's excuse? While the Jets, Broncos, Falcons, Dolphins, 49ers, Bengals all seem to be able to turn things around in a year, why do we need to be on this endless re-build plan that has no end in sight?

[vanknights2002]

So how many more years do you want to give the guy?!?
If you give him 7 or 8 more years he'll probably stumble into a playoff berth just based off injuries that other teams are faced with or perhaps the stars will be aligned just right.

if the team is improving then we gave him time. There is a new DC and it looks like that side is coming together. But it does take time. Hole are on every team but glaring hole need to be address. Brisiel and Myers are hard working but they just don't have play with a nasty attitude.

[wildroot]

Tom coughlin stumbled to a superbowl win now ask NY if they would replace coughlin.. They have by most critics the best team in the league,

Tom Coughlin went from 6-10 his first year to 11-5 his SECOND year with the Giants. Yeah, he made some improvements....He also had a 10 win and a 12 win season. I'd keep him.

[wildroot]

if the team is improving then we gave him time. There is a new DC and it looks like that side is coming together. But it does take time. Hole are on every team but glaring hole need to be address. Brisiel and Myers are hard working but they just don't have play with a nasty attitude.

The point of elevating Bush was that there'd be no learning curve either with him or the team. Brisel and Myers were put on this team by Kubiak, they're his players. If they don't play with a "nasty attitude" is Kubiak just finding that out NOW?!?

[outofhnd]

Tom Coughlin went from 6-10 his first year to 11-5 his SECOND year with the Giants. Yeah, he made some improvements....He also had a 10 win and a 12 win season. I'd keep him.

He also already had a franchise QB -DE - RB and O line in place when he got there as well as a fairly solid defense. I am saying the least we can do is let him finish out his contract. He has earned that much.

[wildroot]

He also already had a franchise QB -DE - RB and O line in place when he got there as well as a fairly solid defense. I am saying the least we can do is let him finish out his contract. He has earned that much.

He took over a team that was 4-12.....that's how good of a QB, DE, RB and O-Line he had when he got there. They improved because of him and his coaching to get where they are today. In his second year they improved to 11-5. We still can't get past 8-8 4 years into Kubiak's tenure here.

[vanknights2002]

The point of elevating Bush was that there'd be no learning curve either with him or the team. Brisel and Myers were put on this team by Kubiak, they're his players. If they don't play with a "nasty attitude" is Kubiak just finding that out NOW?!?

Yes, they are his guys and what happen last year made Kub's think they could. Yes, they are hard workers but they don't have that nasty side. Kub also knew that he need help so he took Caldwell in the 3rd. Kub likes to make sure his guys are ready to play, before he starts them. There is a learning curve since it's not the same D. If the scheme changes then you have to learn something new. Just look at the fact that we are playing a little press coverage now.

[vanknights2002]

He took over a team that was 4-12.....that's how good of a QB, DE, RB and O-Line he had when he got there. They improved because of him and his coaching to get where they are today. In his second year they improved to 11-5. We still can't get past 8-8 4 years into Kubiak's tenure here.

They where in place,when he got there.

[srstex]

7-9 & keep his job? Man I hope not.

[wildroot]

They where in place,when he got there.

They were in place but not very good. Tom c. and his coaching staff coached them up to become good. Joe Montana wasn't very good until Bill Walsh got his hand on him either.

[vanknights2002]

They were in place but not very good. Tom c. and his coaching staff coached them up to become good. Joe Montana wasn't very good until Bill Walsh got his hand on him either.

Matt Schaub has gotten better since Kub's got his hands on him. The team is being coach and the player are getting there. Mario, DeMeco, SS, OD, D. Brown, Winston, Diles, Cushing are some. Studdard is coming along and does have a nasty attitude. Barwin is going to be good in a few years. Quin looks good. F.Bennet isn't playing anymore since the rookies have stepped up.

[wildroot]

Matt Schaub has gotten better since Kub's got his hands on him. The team is being coach and the player are getting there. Mario, DeMeco, SS, OD, D. Brown, Winston, Diles, Cushing are some. Studdard is coming along and does have a nasty attitude. Barwin is going to be good in a few years. Quin looks good. F.Bennet isn't playing anymore since the rookies have stepped up.

Well, if you're happy with Kubiak's progress in 4 years, I'm not here to change your mind. I simply see alot of teams go through major overhauls and post winning records and playoff appearances in the first year of 2 of the new regime. I see it get done all the time, yet here we sit with a losing record 4 years in.

[outofhnd]

losing record so far... could easily be .500 or better with better breaks. However I see a team like cleveland (closest thing to our franchise start) and with their 4 year coaching rotation and see where it has gotten them. And it makes me worry why not let the guy finish out his contact? what is the harm of one more year of addressing needs and fitting systems? why not let the man atleast finish his term why rush him out the door if he is doing more good than harm?

[wildroot]

I just really wonder....if during Kubiak's interview with McNair, if he told him he was shooting for 8-8 (if we get to 8-8 this year) in 4 years if McNair would have hired him? Or I guess the better way to put it, if McNair would have known we'd be 8-8 after 4 years under Kubiak, would he have hired him?

[houstonsportsfan09]

WR, completely agree with just about everything you said. Bottom line to me is Kubiak is in charge of everything. He has had 3 years & change. If he knew Bush would need time or Gibbs would need time, or Shanahan wasnt ready, dont hire them or give them the main duties. Well it doesnt help either that he didnt even look at any other candidates on the defensive side. Dont tell me they need their time. It can be done. Examples? New Orleans, Denver, Green Bay - all who have a improved defense. Not to mention 2 out of those 3 teams changed schemes from the previous ones.(Denver & GB going to 3-4). And oh yeah, the Texans could of hired 2 out of those 3. Nah they decided to stick w/ their friends and someone from the previous regime.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/63905657.html

^^^^^^Nice read on those 3 DCs

So in the end, the Broncos got Nolan, Williams went to the Saints and Capers joined the Packers.

After four games - a minuscule sampling, to be sure - it would appear as if the Broncos and Saints were the big winners. Both are off to 4-0 starts thanks in large part to vastly improved defenses.

Under Nolan, the Broncos have gone from having the 29th overall defense in yards in 2008 to second in this season.

The Saints have climbed from 23rd to ninth with Williams at the helm.

But the Packers have improved as well, from 20th to 15th.

Two of those teams with DRASTIC IMPROVEMENTS. 29th TO 2ND??!! 23rd TO 9TH?! WOW

[texansgirl08]

got a point there thunderkys

but I prefer for a 10-6 this season

[footballfan412]

What's interesting is that none of us have mention our fairly easy schedule the NFL handed us this year. When the schedule was released earlier this year, we were jumping in the streets with glee, because we were getting a break on the sked, especially earlier in the season.

Well, we have yet to capitalize on that early season schedule, and are about to enter a really tough stretch of games.

Buckle up and strap in, because we're about to hit turbulence.

[outofhnd]

fairly easy? There is not an easy schedule.. You play the teams you are given..

[footballfan412]

fairly easy? There is not an easy schedule.. You play the teams you are given..

No s--t sherlock. But there's a difference between playing conference champions on the road (like we did last year at the start of the season) and playing so-so teams at home (which is what we were set up to do this year). If we play a really tough defensive team very early in the year, that opens us up for injures, as opposed to playing them later in the year.

And, yes, all of that stuff matters.

[ThaShark316]

What's interesting is that none of us have mention our fairly easy schedule the NFL handed us this year. When the schedule was released earlier this year, we were jumping in the streets with glee, because we were getting a break on the sked, especially earlier in the season.

Well, we have yet to capitalize on that early season schedule, and are about to enter a really tough stretch of games.

Buckle up and strap in, because we're about to hit turbulence.

What turbulence? The one where we land in indy at 5-3? Yeah that turbulence.

[outofhnd]

I think this season is almost like the Miami game last year. We did everything in our power to lose that game but won. I see alot of the same crucial turnovers however I dont see as many turnovers over all. So yes we have cut back on turnovers however when we do have them we seem to pick the single most crucial moment in which to have them. Its like we play better but it is making things worse. we are the cardiac cats of 2009 it seems.

[footballfan412]

What turbulence? The one where we land in indy at 5-3? Yeah that turbulence.

Hey, you may be right. And I like your attitude. I honestly, truly want to be wrong. I hope I am.

[ThaShark316]

Hey, you may be right. And I like your attitude. I honestly, truly want to be wrong. I hope I am.

You will be. It's ok to be wrong.

[houstonsportsfan09]

You will be. It's ok to be wrong.

Yes, it is ok to be wrong. But I like your optimism.

Tellin yall...5-0 next five...yall watch.

[Humble1]

Anything less than the playoffs and he will and should be gone unfortunately (he is a guy I have loved to pull for). Why?

(1) Expectations for the team based on talent and schedule were set for that
(2) We still are not a "smart" football team (which displays itself from time to time from the top down (game plan readiness at the beginning of the game, play calling during the game, Matt's or other QB decision making on 3rd down etc....)
(3) Inability to fix major weaknesses in the team from year to year (i.e. red zone offense, short yardage conversions)

[CoogBull]

What turbulence? The one where we land in indy at 5-3? Yeah that turbulence.

Let us not count our chickens before they are hatched. I can see us going into Indy 5-3. 2-6 is the most plausible but I expect 3-5 going in.

[SuperstarII]

WR, completely agree with just about everything you said. Bottom line to me is Kubiak is in charge of everything. He has had 3 years & change. If he knew Bush would need time or Gibbs would need time, or Shanahan wasnt ready, dont hire them or give them the main duties. Well it doesnt help either that he didnt even look at any other candidates on the defensive side. Dont tell me they need their time. It can be done. Examples? New Orleans, Denver, Green Bay - all who have a improved defense. Not to mention 2 out of those 3 teams changed schemes from the previous ones.(Denver & GB going to 3-4). And oh yeah, the Texans could of hired 2 out of those 3. Nah they decided to stick w/ their friends and someone from the previous regime.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/63905657.html

^^^^^^Nice read on those 3 DCs



Two of those teams with DRASTIC IMPROVEMENTS. 29th TO 2ND??!! 23rd TO 9TH?! WOW

This is why I don't like Kubiak. As one poster said it, player coaches never make it in the NFL.

[footballfan412]

This is why I don't like Kubiak. As one poster said it, player coaches never make it in the NFL.


Well, but I think Tony Dungy may disagree with you. Yes, I know he's a rare "non yelling" coach, but he proves that it can be done.

But, for the most part, I agree with you: Most players need a coach to be in their face. Dallas Cowboy fans are wondering what's wrong with Tony Romo. Here's what's wrong: He doesn't have Bill Parcells kicking his butt. Parcels elevated Romo, mentored him, and motivated him.

[SuperstarII]

Well, if you're happy with Kubiak's progress in 4 years, I'm not here to change your mind. I simply see alot of teams go through major overhauls and post winning records and playoff appearances in the first year of 2 of the new regime. I see it get done all the time, yet here we sit with a losing record 4 years in.


no kidding :(

[DiehardTXNSfan]

Blast me if ya want but Kubs will be back next year & YEARS after that. I have no inside scoop or anything like that, but IMHO Mr. McNair is the type of guy who values/trust his employees to do their jobs to fullest of their capabilities & he also seems not to be a fan of change. We all knew Capers & crew should have been fired the year b4 he got the ax, but Mr. McNair gave him another year cuz of loyalty to the guys that he hires. Now im no expert at figuring people out but looking at Mr. McNairs history with how he handles his OWN personnel decisions, Kubs will be around longer than alot of people think & yes 7-9 will save Kubs job. Dont be suprised to see Kubs as one of the longest-tenured coaches in the NFL & yes for our beloved Texans & i for one have no problem with it. Jus giving my thoughts!!!

THE Texans are not CONSISTENT and McNair has a Man Crush on KUBIAK like he did with CARR ( Aint and Kubiak will not be going any where but one or 8 more Years of Loosing GAMES ) and it's going to take about 70,0000 Texans fan to pressure McNair to FIRE KUBIAK!!!!!!!!!