Does he really have to say it?

[thunderkyss]

I caught a little of the Calvin Murphy show on the radio, and he was talking to Ed Biles. He & Ed got to talking about how they are tired of Gary taking the blame every week, and think Gary needs to be more forthright with who is to blame.

Personally, I don't agree with that. We don't like it when players throw players under the bus, I don't see why it would be okay for the coach to.

It would be nice to know that he believes the same things are wrong, that I believe.... but I don't want him handling that stuff in the media.

When I see Studdard rotating with White.... that tells me something. I think we should be seeing a little Butler in there at RT as well.

Anyway, what do you think? Should he tell us who is at fault?

[Sportswriter79]

I caught a little of the Calvin Murphy show on the radio, and he was talking to Ed Biles. He & Ed got to talking about how they are tired of Gary taking the blame every week, and think Gary needs to be more forthright with who is to blame.

Personally, I don't agree with that. We don't like it when players throw players under the bus, I don't see why it would be okay for the coach to.

It would be nice to know that he believes the same things are wrong, that I believe.... but I don't want him handling that stuff in the media.

When I see Studdard rotating with White.... that tells me something. I think we should be seeing a little Butler in there at RT as well.

Anyway, what do you think? Should he tell us who is at fault?

He doesn't have to tell me. I either see it at Reliant or on TV. It's so obvious that he's better off not alienating his players in the media, in my opinion.

[footballfan412]

No, he shouldn't publicly criticize his players in public. I think what people are tired of is the same old words coming out of his mouth. I think we're looking for more analysis of what he thinks went wrong and ways to correct them. I think he could address those w/out tossing his players under the bus.

I do think, however, that he should start BENCHING players. That's fair, and would send a message loud and clear to the players, and would answer questions w/out having to really get into details.

Ironically, him constantly saying "it's all on me, and I didn't have them ready" makes him look dumb and ill-prepared and is going to get him fired. If he didn't have them prepared for the game, what in the heck have they been doing all week?

[wildroot]

I caught a little of the Calvin Murphy show on the radio, and he was talking to Ed Biles. He & Ed got to talking about how they are tired of Gary taking the blame every week, and think Gary needs to be more forthright with who is to blame.

Personally, I don't agree with that. We don't like it when players throw players under the bus, I don't see why it would be okay for the coach to.

It would be nice to know that he believes the same things are wrong, that I believe.... but I don't want him handling that stuff in the media.

When I see Studdard rotating with White.... that tells me something. I think we should be seeing a little Butler in there at RT as well.

Anyway, what do you think? Should he tell us who is at fault?

perhaps not by name, but certainly there nothing wrong with saying 'our running game cost us the game" to turn up the heat. He's gotta do something. This team is stuck in mediocraty.

[Yosarian]

I don't think Kubiak has to say names. We all know why we are losing.

I am pisse dthat we keep seeing the same mistakes week in and week out.

After the Jets game it was obvious that Myers is getting blown up at the line at will. Every team we have played since has tried to use that to their advantage.

Our plays, have no misdirection. To fool these fast defenses you have to fake something. Thats why the wildcat works. Becaus ethe d doesn't know where it is going.

A lot of our problems on defense are due to players not performing.
A lot of our problems on offense are bad play calling and the quarterback and rb's not handling the rock.

I don't want Kubiak to come out in the press conference and say Myers isn't getting it done on the goal line. Hide the weaknesses by not talking about them. These teams we face can watch our films and see our weaknesses. No sense in making their game plan easier by telling them where to attack us. Let them do their own homework.

i AM TIRED OF kUBIAK SAYING HE DIDN'T HAVE THEM PREPARED but THAT has been the pat answer for losing coaches. I'll bet that every coach who lost last week said somewhere in the presser that exact line. It's part of the rhetoric that they spew out to the media. It means nothing. However it seems to be the dcase week in and week out that this team is not ready to play football. WHY is my question.

[houstonsportsfan09]

I don't think Kubiak has to say names. We all know why we are losing.

I am pisse dthat we keep seeing the same mistakes week in and week out.

After the Jets game it was obvious that Myers is getting blown up at the line at will. Every team we have played since has tried to use that to their advantage.

Our plays, have no misdirection. To fool these fast defenses you have to fake something. Thats why the wildcat works. Becaus ethe d doesn't know where it is going.

A lot of our problems on defense are due to players not performing.
A lot of our problems on offense are bad play calling and the quarterback and rb's not handling the rock.

I don't want Kubiak to come out in the press conference and say Myers isn't getting it done on the goal line. Hide the weaknesses by not talking about them. These teams we face can watch our films and see our weaknesses. No sense in making their game plan easier by telling them where to attack us. Let them do their own homework.

i AM TIRED OF kUBIAK SAYING HE DIDN'T HAVE THEM PREPARED but THAT has been the pat answer for losing coaches. I'll bet that every coach who lost last week said somewhere in the presser that exact line. It's part of the rhetoric that they spew out to the media. It means nothing. However it seems to be the dcase week in and week out that this team is not ready to play football. WHY is my question.

I dont know about every coach last week but I know Rex Ryan said something very similar after the loss to the Dolphins yesterday.

[LM_Baller]

No, he shouldn't publicly criticize his players in public. I think what people are tired of is the same old words coming out of his mouth. I think we're looking for more analysis of what he thinks went wrong and ways to correct them. I think he could address those w/out tossing his players under the bus.

I do think, however, that he should start BENCHING players. That's fair, and would send a message loud and clear to the players, and would answer questions w/out having to really get into details.

Ironically, him constantly saying "it's all on me, and I didn't have them ready" makes him look dumb and ill-prepared and is going to get him fired. If he didn't have them prepared for the game, what in the heck have they been doing all week?

Dude, Kubiak doing that is another way of him not throwing his players under the bus. If you caught any post-game pressers this weekend, or any other weekend this season, you would see many coaches doing this. Bellichik does it after every loss, just as he did this past Sunday. Rex Ryans did the Exact same thing. I'm sure you think those guys also look dumb and can't coach.

[outofhnd]

I think the monday morning film session reveals who is to blame no need to have 70,000 critics of that players mistakes. I think the answer is obvious with the lack of movement inside Slaton becomes more of a complimentary back than he does an every down runner. for a guy like slaton who is a game breaker we need a pounder to soften the defense up first. with slaton our line needs to execute perfectly and open holes. That obviously is not happening. I would really like to see more of moats as he is more quickhitting and punishing where slaton is more deceptive and elusive.

[BMT TEXAN]

I have no problem with Kubes being vanilla in post-game speeches. We as fans, the media & coaches themselves see where our problems lie. Kubes is going to stick-up for his players regardless esp. in front of a microphone, but behind close doors where its him & his team, thats where the S*IT hits da fan.:eek:

[footballfan412]

Dude, Kubiak doing that is another way of him not throwing his players under the bus. If you caught any post-game pressers this weekend, or any other weekend this season, you would see many coaches doing this. Bellichik does it after every loss, just as he did this past Sunday. Rex Ryans did the Exact same thing. I'm sure you think those guys also look dumb and can't coach.


Uh, I (we) have all seen Bill Belecheck get fired up before, during and after games. Same with Rex Ryans. And, I'm fairly certain that Bellecheck has benched underperforming players and outright released them.

My point is, "It's all on me" is ALL we hear from Gary. Loss after loss after loss. "It's all on me." Bellecheck and Ryan may SAY that, but then they'll turn around and bench someone or get rid of them.

Get it?

[footballfan412]

I don't think Kubiak has to say names. We all know why we are losing.

I am pisse dthat we keep seeing the same mistakes week in and week out.

After the Jets game it was obvious that Myers is getting blown up at the line at will. Every team we have played since has tried to use that to their advantage.

Our plays, have no misdirection. To fool these fast defenses you have to fake something. Thats why the wildcat works. Becaus ethe d doesn't know where it is going.

A lot of our problems on defense are due to players not performing.
A lot of our problems on offense are bad play calling and the quarterback and rb's not handling the rock.

I don't want Kubiak to come out in the press conference and say Myers isn't getting it done on the goal line. Hide the weaknesses by not talking about them. These teams we face can watch our films and see our weaknesses. No sense in making their game plan easier by telling them where to attack us. Let them do their own homework.

i AM TIRED OF kUBIAK SAYING HE DIDN'T HAVE THEM PREPARED but THAT has been the pat answer for losing coaches. I'll bet that every coach who lost last week said somewhere in the presser that exact line. It's part of the rhetoric that they spew out to the media. It means nothing. However it seems to be the dcase week in and week out that this team is not ready to play football. WHY is my question.


That is exactly my point. Yes, other coaches say that, but they also usually follow it up with some sort of action to change things up. With Gary, we get, WEEK AFTER WEEK, "It's my fault. It's on me. They weren't prepared."

As I said earlier, if they weren't prepared, what in the world have they been doing all week?

[LM_Baller]

Uh, I (we) have all seen Bill Belecheck get fired up before, during and after games. Same with Rex Ryans. And, I'm fairly certain that Bellecheck has benched underperforming players and outright released them.

My point is, "It's all on me" is ALL we hear from Gary. Loss after loss after loss. "It's all on me." Bellecheck and Ryan may SAY that, but then they'll turn around and bench someone or get rid of them.

Get it?

They are exactly the same. They say the same things, so by your own logic, treat them the same. They both do the same things too. Kubiak has reshuffled his line-up so much, trying to find a combo that works, that players seem to be having a hard time gelling as a unit. Remember Kubiak BENCHED Slaton in the middle of the game, after which he was better. Everything you use an an argument doesn't hold water. Kubiak is doing everything you want him to do as per your own words.

If you just hate Kubiak, then admit it. But to use some weak arguments that are so easily discounted leaves your case easily dismissed.

*note*
I'm not a Kubiak apologist, I just want to see a stronger argument that can't be so easily cast aside as hogwash and personal opinion.

[footballfan412]

They are exactly the same. They say the same things, so by your own logic, treat them the same. They both do the same things too. Kubiak has reshuffled his line-up so much, trying to find a combo that works, that players seem to be having a hard time gelling as a unit. Remember Kubiak BENCHED Slaton in the middle of the game, after which he was better. Everything you use an an argument doesn't hold water. Kubiak is doing everything you want him to do as per your own words.

If you just hate Kubiak, then admit it. But to use some weak arguments that are so easily discounted leaves your case easily dismissed.

*note*
I'm not a Kubiak apologist, I just want to see a stronger argument that can't be so easily cast aside as hogwash and personal opinion.



Yes, you are a Kubiak apologist.

No, I don't hate Kubiak. I used to love the guy. I lived in Denver before I moved here, and I thought he was brilliant then, and I thought hiring him was great. I want him to succeed. But he's not getting it done.

Weak arguments? And yours are better? Give me a break.

Bellecheck can get away with "It's on me" because he has...hmm....how many rings? Rex Ryan has some serious momentum going in NYC, so it's ok if he says, "It's on me." Fans will buy it because they see improvement with the Jets. Fans in New England and New York also know that if they hear "It's on me" from their coach one week, that he'll do everything in his power to make things right and change things up for the next game.

Kubiak needs to be more of a forceful leader, and needs to provide better answer to PAYING FANS than "I didn't get it done."
It's starting to sound like a weak excuse, and he doesn't have the record to be able to use it week in and week out.

It sort of reminds me of a business book I read not too long ago. Basically, it talked about superstar employees versus average employees. This guy said that superstars should be able to get away with anything they want, as long as they produce. If a superstar wants to work two hours a day and take a three hour lunch, let them, as long as they produce. But for the average employee, if they're not producing, they'd better have their butts in the office chair first thing in the morning and stay there all day.

Kubiak can NOT get away with saying "It's on me."
Bellecheck can.

There is a big difference between the two.

[LM_Baller]

Yes, you are a Kubiak apologist.

No, I don't hate Kubiak. I used to love the guy. I lived in Denver before I moved here, and I thought he was brilliant then, and I thought hiring him was great. I want him to succeed. But he's not getting it done.

Weak arguments? And yours are better? Give me a break.

Bellecheck can get away with "It's on me" because he has...hmm....how many rings? Rex Ryan has some serious momentum going in NYC, so it's ok if he says, "It's on me." Fans will buy it because they see improvement with the Jets. Fans in New England and New York also know that if they hear "It's on me" from their coach one week, that he'll do everything in his power to make things right and change things up for the next game.

Kubiak needs to be more of a forceful leader, and needs to provide better answer to PAYING FANS than "I didn't get it done."
It's starting to sound like a weak excuse, and he doesn't have the record to be able to use it week in and week out.

It sort of reminds me of a business book I read not too long ago. Basically, it talked about superstar employees versus average employees. This guy said that superstars should be able to get away with anything they want, as long as they produce. If a superstar wants to work two hours a day and take a three hour lunch, let them, as long as they produce. But for the average employee, if they're not producing, they'd better have their butts in the office chair first thing in the morning and stay there all day.

Kubiak can NOT get away with saying "It's on me."
Bellecheck can.

There is a big difference between the two.


This is simple. You say Kubiak needs to be like other coaches in post-game press conferences. I show you how he is exactly like those other coaches. You say Kubiak needs to be like those other coaches and bench players, and shake up the roster, and I show you how he has done exactly those things. Has he won the Super Bowls Belichik has? Well no, but frankly to compare the two makes zero sense in the first place. That's akin to asking why Schaub can't be Joe Montana. If that argument I'm making isn't understandable, is there any reason for this discussion to go any further?

The fact of the matter is Kubiak doesn't have to give you personally any answer in a press conference by lighting up his own players just to satisfy your hunger for someone's blood, or some need for answers to your anger. That isn't being professional, and last I checked, this was called a professional league. How much confidence to coaches gain by publicly lambasting their players. Maybe you can find out where Cecil Cooper is flipping burgers right now and go ask him. Like you, he wanted his ego to be boosted, or at least not blamed. Ask him how that worked out for him.

[footballfan412]

This is simple. You say Kubiak needs to be like other coaches in post-game press conferences. I show you how he is exactly like those other coaches. You say Kubiak needs to be like those other coaches and bench players, and shake up the roster, and I show you how he has done exactly those things. Has he won the Super Bowls Belichik has? Well no, but frankly to compare the two makes zero sense in the first place. That's akin to asking why Schaub can't be Joe Montana. If that argument I'm making isn't understandable, is there any reason for this discussion to go any further?

The fact of the matter is Kubiak doesn't have to give you personally any answer in a press conference by lighting up his own players just to satisfy your hunger for someone's blood, or some need for answers to your anger. That isn't being professional, and last I checked, this was called a professional league. How much confidence to coaches gain by publicly lambasting their players. Maybe you can find out where Cecil Cooper is flipping burgers right now and go ask him. Like you, he wanted his ego to be boosted, or at least not blamed. Ask him how that worked out for him.


If you go back and read this thread, I never compared Kubiak to Belecheck. YOU did. I agree with you, that it's dumb to compare the two. Totally different situations. And, I maintain my original argument: Kubiak can't use the same excuses as Belecheck. But, again, it's dumb to compare the two (which YOU did).

And, again, if you read this thread, I don't believe Kubiak should publicly call out his players, either. It's unprofessional. I merely pointed out the irony of it, because him saying "It's all on me" over and over again is making the fans angry and is going to get him fired. When I pointed out the irony, YOU are the one who brought up the other NFL coaches, saying that everyone does it.

No, he doesn't owe me any answers personally, but as a season ticket holder for five years, it would be nice to know that the team is making some moves to get better. McNair has had his hands in my wallet for a while now. I want improvement.

[Yosarian]

That is exactly my point. Yes, other coaches say that, but they also usually follow it up with some sort of action to change things up. With Gary, we get, WEEK AFTER WEEK, "It's my fault. It's on me. They weren't prepared."

As I said earlier, if they weren't prepared, what in the world have they been doing all week?

I hear ya! I want to see a prepared team too.

[LM_Baller]

I hear ya! I want to see a prepared team too.

It's just coach speak. You guys need to go beat a different horse.

Yesterday on AM610 they interviewd Rice coach David Bailiff. They asked him about Rice's tough start, and how they can recover from the loss to Navy. His answer was, "Well, it all starts with me, and we weren't ready, and I've got to do a better job at getting the guys prepared."

You see, following a loss, every coach says this. Professional, Collegiate, you name it. I understand you guys crying about the loss, but crying about what the coach says in the post game presser is just pointless.

[footballfan412]

It's just coach speak. You guys need to go beat a different horse.

Yesterday on AM610 they interviewd Rice coach David Bailiff. They asked him about Rice's tough start, and how they can recover from the loss to Navy. His answer was, "Well, it all starts with me, and we weren't ready, and I've got to do a better job at getting the guys prepared."

You see, following a loss, every coach says this. Professional, Collegiate, you name it. I understand you guys crying about the loss, but crying about what the coach says in the post game presser is just pointless.

Yet again, you're missing the point. We have been hearing the same excuse for FOUR YEARS. It's not a loss here and there and he says, "It's all on me." It's after every...single...loss.

And, as I said before, Gary doesn't have the credibility to constantly make excuses over and over again. He is not a winning coach.

[LM_Baller]

I agree he's on the hot seat and should be. It is tantalizing how close I believe the Texans are to being a good team. Just when the defense seems to really be showing some life, and signs of gelling, we lose two interior offensive linemen.

I too am weary of the losses, as I'm sure Kubiak and everyone associated with the organization is. I just don't care what he says in the post game press conference. That's just BS coach speak.

[Anti08]

I think they all go to the same class for post game talk. It means nothing. Results on the field is all that matters.

[Yosarian]

It's just coach speak. You guys need to go beat a different horse.

Yesterday on AM610 they interviewd Rice coach David Bailiff. They asked him about Rice's tough start, and how they can recover from the loss to Navy. His answer was, "Well, it all starts with me, and we weren't ready, and I've got to do a better job at getting the guys prepared."

You see, following a loss, every coach says this. Professional, Collegiate, you name it. I understand you guys crying about the loss, but crying about what the coach says in the post game presser is just pointless.

No ones crying here. If you had actually read my previous post i said exactly the same thing you did. You sure like stirring up crap with the posters on this board. You seem to have some good football knowledge of our team but attacking every posters opinion is not the way to go about it. Especially when you don't even read the whole thread.

[Rett]

You do not down players or employees publicly. That is a private matter. All you do otherwise is alienate them and make them angry. Gary has done right.