View Full Version : Bob Allen on Ch. 13 10 o'clock news tonight
GoldenHolden
10-14-2009, 10:39 PM
Did anybody see the segment at the very end of the newscast? He said he heard through an unnamed player, that the problem with the defense was that there were too many 1st rounders that didn't care. He actually pointed out Mario and Amobi on the d-line.
Anytime someone has unnamed sources I am a bit scepticle. But how does our defense have such big swings in play from one game or half to another when we are using the same defensive scheme? I'm not saying this is true or not but if the organization has any indication that it is, they really need to bring some veterans in to show these youngsters the ropes.
houstonsportsfan09
10-14-2009, 10:52 PM
Did anybody see the segment at the very end of the newscast? He said he heard through an unnamed player, that the problem with the defense was that there were too many 1st rounders that didn't care. He actually pointed out Mario and Amobi on the d-line.
Anytime someone has unnamed sources I am a bit scepticle. But how does our defense have such big swings in play from one game or half to another when we are using the same defensive scheme? I'm not saying this is true or not but if the organization has any indication that it is, they really need to bring some veterans in to show these youngsters the ropes.
He said Mario and Amobi didnt care?
SuperstarII
10-14-2009, 10:54 PM
Did anybody see the segment at the very end of the newscast? He said he heard through an unnamed player, that the problem with the defense was that there were too many 1st rounders that didn't care. He actually pointed out Mario and Amobi on the d-line.
Anytime someone has unnamed sources I am a bit scepticle. But how does our defense have such big swings in play from one game or half to another when we are using the same defensive scheme? I'm not saying this is true or not but if the organization has any indication that it is, they really need to bring some veterans in to show these youngsters the ropes.
**** is Dunta really wrecking the chemistry that bad? Kubiak will not get his job back this next season it seems if this much trouble is being caused.
GoldenHolden
10-14-2009, 10:55 PM
He said Mario and Amobi didnt care?
He said the said the comments were concentrated on the d-line which would mean Mario and Amobi because they are the two first rounders on the line.
houstonsportsfan09
10-14-2009, 10:57 PM
He said the said the comments were concentrated on the d-line which would mean Mario and Amobi because they are the two first rounders on the line.
Oh ok, sorry, a misunderstanding on my part. And yeah I wouldnt be surprised if it was Dunta. And I may get bashed for this, but imo it goes back to accountability. There is none on this team. I'm sure none of those players feel their job is threatened, really on either side of the ball. Wait, I partially take some of that back. Bennett has been the only player that has been benched.
vanknights2002
10-14-2009, 10:58 PM
Did anybody see the segment at the very end of the newscast? He said he heard through an unnamed player, that the problem with the defense was that there were too many 1st rounders that didn't care. He actually pointed out Mario and Amobi on the d-line.
Anytime someone has unnamed sources I am a bit scepticle. But how does our defense have such big swings in play from one game or half to another when we are using the same defensive scheme? I'm not saying this is true or not but if the organization has any indication that it is, they really need to bring some veterans in to show these youngsters the ropes.
Amobi maybe but Mario plays hard every play. Maybe Mario is tired of the other guys not helping him he doesn't care any more. And he is putting it all on himself to get to the QB.
GoldenHolden
10-14-2009, 10:59 PM
Oh ok, sorry, a misunderstanding on my part. And yeah I wouldnt be surprised if it was Dunta.
Yea I could see that. At the same time he has been the leader of this d for a while and his commitment has never been questioned. However, it has seemed like he has changed ever since the contract dispute started.
If that is the case do we trade him before the deadline? It would be tough to do because of the youth in the secondary. I think it would also hurt the locker room because he is such a respected player (or atleast that is how I understand it is). Tough decision to make either way.
ThaShark316
10-14-2009, 11:01 PM
I'm thinking D-Rob...
GoldenHolden
10-14-2009, 11:03 PM
Amobi maybe but Mario plays hard every play. Maybe Mario is tired of the other guys not helping him he doesn't care any more. And he is putting it all on himself to get to the QB.
Thats how I see things. Thats how it looks on the field atleast. We don't see what goes on in the locker room or the meeting rooms though. I really can't believe Mario is the problem though. Maybe it is my bias towards him because he is one of my alltime favorites.
vanknights2002
10-14-2009, 11:13 PM
Super Mario isn't the problem, he is the best D-lineman we have.
GoldenHolden
10-14-2009, 11:20 PM
Super Mario isn't the problem, he is the best D-lineman we have.
He is but can he be better? Is he living up to his full potential? Is he doing the little things over the course of the week to be great? Is he going all out on every play? This is the only angle I could see anyone taking a shot at him like this. It could also be a jealousy thing. Like I said I am not taking sides but comments like these from withing the team can't be ignored.
Macaronitoni
10-14-2009, 11:32 PM
Oh ok, sorry, a misunderstanding on my part. And yeah I wouldnt be surprised if it was Dunta. And I may get bashed for this, but imo it goes back to accountability. There is none on this team. I'm sure none of those players feel their job is threatened, really on either side of the ball. Wait, I partially take some of that back. Bennett has been the only player that has been benched.
Furgeson was benched. Busing who replaced him was benched wasn't he? Barber was benched until Wilson got sick. Even Slaton was benched for a few series. I think Kubiak is starting to show some accountability on the field. They were talking about this on 610 a few weeks back and vandawho (forgot his name?) was arguing with the other host about if a coach should be calling out players publicly instead of kubiak's style of just generalizing everything. I believe it was Van who said he heard from one of the players that behind closed doors kubs holds his players accountable and can chew them out pretty bad. So take that as you will. Now I'm waiting for Myers to get benched. That dude is horrible.
vanknights2002
10-14-2009, 11:44 PM
Myers wont be bench with two new G starting on both sides of him. Myers need to step it up or this maybe he last year starting. Gibbs may have a few projects on the PS and Caldwell may be getting more of Gibbs time now.
houstonsportsfan09
10-14-2009, 11:49 PM
Furgeson was benched. Busing who replaced him was benched wasn't he? Barber was benched until Wilson got sick. Even Slaton was benched for a few series. I think Kubiak is starting to show some accountability on the field. They were talking about this on 610 a few weeks back and vandawho (forgot his name?) was arguing with the other host about if a coach should be calling out players publicly instead of kubiak's style of just generalizing everything. I believe it was Van who said he heard from one of the players that behind closed doors kubs holds his players accountable and can chew them out pretty bad. So take that as you will. Now I'm waiting for Myers to get benched. That dude is horrible.
Yeah you're right on some of those, but ahh it was only a series or two. Ferguson isnt a starter so he cant feel "threatened" about his job, same for Busing and Barber. Slaton was also benched for a series, not even. And I'm not talking about calling out players at the postgame conference or the Monday press conference or even through the media at all. Just hold your players accountable, and longer than a series or two or three. As I said before, do I think any starter [who is playing poorly] feels threatened about his job and losing it? Nah I dont think so. At some positions I realize you cant really bench them because of a lack of talent and lack of consistency from the others but thats something to be discussed another time. Sure enough you'll see Chris Brown back out there on the goalline, sure enough you'll see Chris Meyers out there at C, Sure enough you'll see Antonio Smith out there at DE.
imatexan
10-15-2009, 01:55 AM
I'm thinking D-Rob...
Why so soon to judge D-Rob?
LM_Baller
10-15-2009, 06:08 AM
Had Travis Johnson been healthy this season he still would not have started. He played spot duty last season when he was healthy. Through 5 games, the Texans had started 5 different defensive backfields. Kubiak had even benched his starting running back for a series. This last week we had defensive linemen who'd previously been on the practice squad. Thus, on the field, I believe he has shown he will not show favorites, or fail to bench players when they are under performing.
With the plethora of O'Line injuries, he and the Texans have done what they can to get a mash unit of banged up offensive linemen on the field. Schaub has remained up-right, and while run-blocking has suffered all season, pass blocking has been great against some fantastic defensive fronts.
I don't give any credence at all to un-named sources, though this situation does need to be addressed by the team. A situation like this contributed to the unraveling of the Astros locker room, and further pushed Cooper out the door, though he needed to go regardless.
It sounds like something Dunta (The Mouth) would say. It is not the first time he has named players on the the team for something he did not agree.
TexSid
10-15-2009, 08:22 AM
What is it with D-rob haters...why is everything about him? From what I saw of the Cards games he had plenty of fire and passion. I have no idea why he wouldn't be fired up to play....the better he plays the fatter his check. If he plays like crap then he won;t be able to get as much in the offseason. Also his so called mercenary level of skill is still better than anyone else at CB except maybe Reeves.
and also I don't remember him being the one that couldn't get the ball across the 1.....
footballfan412
10-15-2009, 10:01 AM
Dunta is the only one sleazy and passive-aggressive enough to do something like this. Can we get rid of that clown, please?
It's a shame: Jealous of Mario, so he calls him out.
Dunta's gotta go. Now.
chjoak
10-15-2009, 10:51 AM
What is it with D-rob haters...why is everything about him? From what I saw of the Cards games he had plenty of fire and passion. I have no idea why he wouldn't be fired up to play....the better he plays the fatter his check. If he plays like crap then he won;t be able to get as much in the offseason. Also his so called mercenary level of skill is still better than anyone else at CB except maybe Reeves.
and also I don't remember him being the one that couldn't get the ball across the 1.....
People aren't suggesting he is the lazy one that doesn't care. People are suggesting he is the "unnamed source" because he has been prone to do stuff like that in the past, although directly to the camera/microphone. I don't care how much fire & passion he has, if he is the one behind this "leak" and is calling players out publically he needs to be traded asap.
Texan Naija
10-15-2009, 10:56 AM
Honestly, it sounds like something a BS filled player would say... but I don't think it is Dunta. Besides from the fact that Dunta is the only First Rounder on defense that has only had a decent showing in all of 2 of our 5 games, and would be the first suspect to not only have said it or have it be about him.
It is probably a lower rank player that is pissed off about riding the bench because, anyone watching should be able to see Cushing, Williams and Okoye are actually putting forth a great effort in every game and have been key to most defensive stops along with contributions from Ryans, Smith, Diles and even some secondary players. Seriously, it is no secret that crappy tackling (none from 1st rounders save Dunta's first couple games) and blown assignments are the main reason we have let guys score on us in most games. Throwing the blame on 1st round picks might have worked when Travis or Carr were here but that excuse won't cut it to fans that actually watch the games.
TexSid
10-15-2009, 11:23 AM
You know maybe I am just thick but when i hear DR's interviews on 610 or channel 13 or read his quotes I don't see anything but a guy saying the same things as Mario or the other big name players. He did throw Carr under the bus but that was true....Since none of us are in the locker room we don;t know.
I gotta say that where I work if someone would whine that makes top dollar in my company (like people say DR might be) then the team would absolutely hate DR. I see no evidence of that.
Our D is getting better each game....season is young keep the faith.
Houston Texans_
10-15-2009, 11:28 AM
Did anybody see the segment at the very end of the newscast? He said he heard through an unnamed player, that the problem with the defense was that there were too many 1st rounders that didn't care. He actually pointed out Mario and Amobi on the d-line.
Anytime someone has unnamed sources I am a bit scepticle. But how does our defense have such big swings in play from one game or half to another when we are using the same defensive scheme? I'm not saying this is true or not but if the organization has any indication that it is, they really need to bring some veterans in to show these youngsters the ropes.
Hey Bob Allen, come out to practice field and tell Mario and Amobi they don't care, bring health insurance card and an ambulance
chjoak
10-15-2009, 11:33 AM
I gotta say that where I work if someone would whine that makes top dollar in my company (like people say DR might be) then the team would absolutely hate DR. I see no evidence of that.
That is true. However, the NFL doesn't work like real life. The players don't hate on each other for trying to get the most money they can. Most want the same for themselves they just aren't as vocal and annoying about it as DR. It may frustrate them that the person is holding out but all is forgiven once the person returns to practice. Is that right? I don't think so. But look at most every hold out situation in the last several years and you will be hard pressed to find a situation where the person's teammates didn't accept him back when his holdout ended.
Wolverine
10-15-2009, 03:05 PM
Heard on 1560 that it is VERY, VERY likely that it was Dunta giving Bobby the scoopage.
footballfan412
10-15-2009, 03:25 PM
Heard on 1560 that it is VERY, VERY likely that it was Dunta giving Bobby the scoopage.
I mean, who else would it be? Dunta has already proven to be a two-faced, back-stabbing b---h.
jackfarnswurth
10-15-2009, 06:16 PM
Saying the d line is a problem with the Texans is not exactly a news flash. It's been that way for a while. Check out the league stats for sacks and tackles for losses and you will see no Texan defensive lineman on that list. If Bob Allen needed an unnamed source to figure that out, I would not waste very much time listening to him. Too much time for a QB makes it too easy.For the amount of resources the Texans have devoted to that area they are playing below their potential. When your best player on the line has one sack through 5 games you better believe you have a problem.
Texan Naija
10-15-2009, 09:07 PM
Heard on 1560 that it is VERY, VERY likely that it was Dunta giving Bobby the scoopage.
I maintain my position, it probably is not Dunta but someone else. There are 52 other guys in the locker room besides Practice Squad guys that could count as 'Texan' Players. While Dunta isn't above throwing folk under the bus, I doubt he would do it so vaguely even as a unnamed source.
Thunderstruck
10-16-2009, 12:39 AM
Consider the source. Bob Allen. Really?
I don't believe anything Bob Allen says anymore, and further more..... I cannot stand the guy and I hate his reporting.
I have often found him to be a real 'band wagoner' in all houston sports, and he is a real jerk.
Wolverine
10-16-2009, 08:12 AM
Consider the source. Bob Allen. Really?
I don't believe anything Bob Allen says anymore, and further more..... I cannot stand the guy and I hate his reporting.
I have often found him to be a real 'band wagoner' in all houston sports, and he is a real jerk.
I gotta disagree on the reporting part. Jerk behind the scenes? maybe but who cares. I think he's one of the few H-town sports reporters that keeps it real and isn't affraid to say it like it is.
houstonsportsfan09
10-16-2009, 09:14 AM
Speaking of sportscasters, I'll go with Mark Berman. He seems to have good sources and I usually find him and look to him for breaking sports stories. Always gotta tune in at 9:54 every night.:)
Kgbmedic
10-16-2009, 10:13 AM
I caught a snippet on Channel 13 the other night. One of the news casters said that an anonymous sourch was saying that the defensive problem is with the 1st round draft picks not pulling their weight, being lackadaisical.
Does anyone have any supporting information on this, since I only caught a snippet I don't know if I got it correct.
Wolverine
10-16-2009, 10:18 AM
http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=14336
Kgbmedic
10-16-2009, 10:29 AM
I did an initial look for another thread started on this subject and appearantly missed that one thanks.
srstex
10-16-2009, 11:48 AM
Consider the source. Bob Allen. Really?
I don't believe anything Bob Allen says anymore, and further more..... I cannot stand the guy and I hate his reporting.
I have often found him to be a real 'band wagoner' in all houston sports, and he is a real jerk.
Amen.
I've been thinking exactly that for 2 years now with Okoye. His lack of production and even in interviews it seems like he doesn't give a ****.
SuperstarII
10-16-2009, 10:02 PM
I've been thinking exactly that for 2 years now with Okoye. His lack of production and even in interviews it seems like he doesn't give a ****.
I have stated in the past when we drafted him that I don't think he wanted to be a Texan. Now it shows with his ability on the defensive line.
edo783
10-16-2009, 10:20 PM
IMO, it is DR sniveling about Amboi, but who knows. I also think it is an attempt by DR to through off everyone from what he HASN'T been doing and to sow discord. This was my main concern with having him on the team. He is NOT a good club house guy and as pissed as he is about "Being disrespected" he is trying to cause hate and discontent in the locker room.
Zac Attack
10-17-2009, 05:41 PM
I think the fact is that with as much talent on the DL, this unit should be providing soooo much pressure on quarterbacks.
The unit is playing good, but they should be playing elite level. Okoye, Mario, and Smith are all supposed to be pass rushers!!! How many sacks do they have? Yup, only 6 for the whole team, with so much talent - that's unacceptable. And the bummer is that they aren't stopping the run, so why the emphasis on pass rush if they aren't effective?
But fault is also attributed to lack of rushing and the poor coverage in the secondary.
Two games lost on short and goal. There is progress in the team, let's hope the team doesn't get discouraged too soon.
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