Video of Schaub vs. Carr: Brian Baldinger on NFLN

[GP]

Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMd3FdudDH0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMd3FdudDH0)

[GP]

This video is dedicated to caddy and Hulk75 (wherever you are).

[Pantherstang84]

You da man, GP! I forgot to record the clip the other day when it was on. It's a good piece.

[caddy]

I'm I looking forward to seeing this. As I'm not thinking the Schaubie is worth what we are paying for him. Plus I seen where the NFL is calling the top tandem QB's in the NFL are the Rams and the # 2 is Jake and David with the Panthers. Which is kind of slanted as the Panthers has the only two starting QB's from the 2006 season.

[Powerfuldragon]

ETA? :D

[GP]

"And now.....the rest...of the story..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMd3FdudDH0

[GP]

Notice the PERFECT pocket vs. the Raiders when THREE Texans WRs were open, all at the same time: Two WRs facing Carr, and what appears to be Moulds flashing deeper over the middle and waving his hand: But alas, David cannot pull the trigger on any of those options.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest the case.
Conversely, Schaub is placing a ball where Asante Samuel cannot get it, while getting pegged in the chest for it--Result: Completed Pass.
Conversely, a deep post route and Schaub is throwing it well before the WR is making the slant...perfect timing, perfect placement, and the WR never breaks stride.
Maybe we should apologize to Corey Bradford.

[Pantherstang84]

Notice the PERFECT pocket vs. the Raiders when THREE Texans WRs were open, all at the same time: Two WRs facing Carr, and what appears to be Moulds flashing deeper over the middle and waving his hand: But alas, David cannot pull the trigger on any of those options.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest the case.
Conversely, Schaub is placing a ball where Asante Samuel cannot get it, while getting pegged in the chest for it--Result: Completed Pass.
Conversely, a deep post route and Schaub is throwing it well before the WR is making the slant...perfect timing, perfect placement, and the WR never breaks stride.
Maybe we should apologize to Corey Bradford.


First of all thanks for posting the clip. As a reformed David Carr fan, I have to say I was stunned when I saw that piece the other night. I knew Carr was bad after the season. I just didn't know how bad. Man! It was BAD!!! Guilty as charged!!!!

If we decide to apologize to Bradford, we might consider apologizing to Gaffney too. Sorry guys. I just didn't know how bad it really was.

[Paragon Blue]

Man I am fired up and i can't wait for the season to start

[joedinkle]

That gave me goose bumps about what Schaub can do.

[Tulip]

Thank you so much for posting the video!

[fox]

Thanks alot for posting, great video. My only problem with it was, "Schaub can process information like a Pentium 2 chip." Maybe it's the tech nerd in me, but I think Baldy could've done better with that one.

[Keyfro]

can't wait for the season to start...if schaub's game versus new england is what we see for the whole season we'll have the making of a more mobile carson palmer on our hands...gee who wouldn't want that?

[Zagen30]

can't wait for the season to start...if schaub's game versus new england is what we see for the whole season we'll have the making of a more mobile carson palmer on our hands...gee who wouldn't want that?
YUU GOT RIDS OF DAVID!!!!!!! HE IS TEH AWESOMESNESSES, SCHWUAB ISA TEH SUXX0RS!!!!!!

[Nawzer]

That was a very good presentation by Brian Baldinger and the NFL Network. I wonder why they don't show that overhead shot during the games? It would give the fans another perspective and definitely will show the fans more of the field. I would like to see that camera angle incorporated more. Not every time but every once in a while just to show what the situation really is like downfield. Anyway, can't wait to see Schaub throw some of those passes to the Texans receivers. [:D]

[Vinny]

Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMd3FdudDH0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMd3FdudDH0)

thanks for the upload GP...I just subscribed to your channel. :)

[The Pencil Neck]

Thanks alot for posting, great video. My only problem with it was, "Schaub can process information like a Pentium 2 chip." Maybe it's the tech nerd in me, but I think Baldy could've done better with that one.
Yeah. I lol'd over that. But, hey, a P2 is better than the 6502 we had before.

[wrestler4life]

I read the previous postings about this before we had a video to watch and I didn't believe it was as bad as was said.
It was worse. Thank goodness Carr is gone!!!

[HydrOshocK]

Awesome vid. Thanks for posting this
A couple of things stood out to me.
First it wasn't Kubes that made the decision to give Carr a contract extension, it was McNair's. Last time I checked the coach doesn't sign the paychecks.
Notice the happy feet by Carr on the bootleg. He never stopped and set his feet. Instead he prematurely let the pressure, which was still 5 yrds away, cause him to throw the ball off his back foot and out of bounds to the camera man. I didn't even see a Texan receiver in the frame anywhere, which tells me he already made up his mind to throw it away as soon as he saw the white jersey. In Carr's defense Schaub was getting a little better protection on that play but DC still had enough time to set his feet and throw. That's what you call "hearing footsteps" .
Second, the turnover TD to the Raiders was an obvious example of the same thing. Carr had 2 wide open receivers that had planted and turned to square themselves up. Even I could've hit one of them in the chest. Instead DC cradled and lost the ball again. He wasn't in any danger to take a sack if he would've pulled the trigger on either one of those receivers......again he was "hearing footsteps". That tells me he was a QB playing scared and completely without confidence.
And Woodson's comment that Carr didn't have anyone except AJ to throw to is as insulting to Eric Moulds and Owen Daniels as it is inaccurate. Moulds could still have been a #1 WR on another team last year, and Daniels is a very good receiving TE.

[newport texan]

that one play vs the Raiders is such a microcosm of the five years of DC's career in Houston. The line got wayyy too much blame over the years...

[HoustonTexans4Life]

I saw that segment. I'm glad we made the move to drop that SOB Carr and pick up a up and coming Schaub.

[SuperstarII]

ETA? :D


PD anti-Schaub? Well there is always the Carolina boards eh? Its just too bad we don't have reputations anymore. It would be like old times giving negative reps for people making bad remarks about our QB.

[SuperstarII]

Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMd3FdudDH0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMd3FdudDH0)


Yes all the Carr lovers can go to the panthers board now because we got a real QB on our hands. Every Casserly pick has turned into garbage and the only gem we got was AJ. Lets GO TEXANS!!!

[GP]

Awesome vid. Thanks for posting this
A couple of things stood out to me.
First it wasn't Kubes that made the decision to give Carr a contract extension, it was McNair's. Last time I checked the coach doesn't sign the paychecks.
Notice the happy feet by Carr on the bootleg. He never stopped and set his feet. Instead he prematurely let the pressure, which was still 5 yrds away, cause him to throw the ball off his back foot and out of bounds to the camera man. I didn't even see a Texan receiver in the frame anywhere, which tells me he already made up his mind to throw it away as soon as he saw the white jersey. In Carr's defense Schaub was getting a little better protection on that play but DC still had enough time to set his feet and throw. That's what you call "hearing footsteps" .
Second, the turnover TD to the Raiders was an obvious example of the same thing. Carr had 2 wide open receivers that had planted and turned to square themselves up. Even I could've hit one of them in the chest. Instead DC cradled and lost the ball again. He wasn't in any danger to take a sack if he would've pulled the trigger on either one of those receivers......again he was "hearing footsteps". That tells me he was a QB playing scared and completely without confidence.
And Woodson's comment that Carr didn't have anyone except AJ to throw to is as insulting to Eric Moulds and Owen Daniels as it is inaccurate. Moulds could still have been a #1 WR on another team last year, and Daniels is a very good receiving TE.


Here's what stands out to me:
CARR:
1. Holds the ball low, almost to his waist--It takes more time to get the ball into a throwing motion because of this.
2. When he brings the ball back (to throw it), his entire body squats down and backwards.
3. He rotates his entire torso to the right and backwards, much like a baseball pitcher deep into the wind up.
4. Many times, he throws off his back foot or even kinda' does some sort of fade-away jumper as he throws the ball.
5. All of this (numbers 1-4) causes such a drastic, cumulative series of events that the time he wastes with all of it is a reason that DBs can read-and-react a little easier than they can against other QBs. And we haven't even thrown in the fact that he locks onto AJ, cannot read defenses pre-snap, and cannot dissect a play when it's in motion.
SCHAUB:
1. Holds the ball near his earhole, or at least further up than David.
2. His feet and shoulders are almost always "squared up" no matter what is going on during the play.
3. His throwing motion is straight back and then "over the top" with no weird, funky mechanics like we see in David. It's a rhythm: Pop-pop-pop, or in other words: Ball up to the helmet-Ball snaps backward-Ball comes out "over the top," and that equals (a) efficiency, and (b) confidence in himself that he knows he can get the ball to somebody, somewhere. Whereas in David, it was as if he had already determined that nobody was going to be open.
4. Schaub has been running the WCO since his college days, and David was probably never going to resolve within himself to really learn it and to really buy into it. That right there should give us a lot of hope this season: David wasn't able to really feel comfy in the WCO. Schaub is very comfy in the WCO. We have a coach and a QB who are very literally "on the same page." Did you see Vick's expression when Schaub and the coach were analyzing film on the sideline? It was like Vick pretty much knew that Schaub knew his business. It wasn't exactly a look of joy, was it?
Baldinger didn't even get into the actual "throwing mechanics" of each QB. Had he, it would have been like rubbing salt into the wound.

[HydrOshocK]

Awesome vid. Thanks for posting this
A couple of things stood out to me.
First it wasn't Kubes that made the decision to give Carr a contract extension, it was McNair's. Last time I checked the coach doesn't sign the paychecks.
Notice the happy feet by Carr on the bootleg. He never stopped and set his feet. Instead he prematurely let the pressure, which was still 5 yrds away, cause him to throw the ball off his back foot and out of bounds to the camera man. I didn't even see a Texan receiver in the frame anywhere, which tells me he already made up his mind to throw it away as soon as he saw the white jersey. In Carr's defense Schaub was getting a little better protection on that play but DC still had enough time to set his feet and throw. That's what you call "hearing footsteps" .
Second, the turnover TD to the Raiders was an obvious example of the same thing. Carr had 2 wide open receivers that had planted and turned to square themselves up. Even I could've hit one of them in the chest. Instead DC cradled and lost the ball again. He wasn't in any danger to take a sack if he would've pulled the trigger on either one of those receivers......again he was "hearing footsteps". That tells me he was a QB playing scared and completely without confidence.
And Woodson's comment that Carr didn't have anyone except AJ to throw to is as insulting to Eric Moulds and Owen Daniels as it is inaccurate. Moulds could still have been a #1 WR on another team last year, and Daniels is a very good receiving TE.


Here's what stands out to me:
CARR:
1. Holds the ball low, almost to his waist--It takes more time to get the ball into a throwing motion because of this.
2. When he brings the ball back (to throw it), his entire body squats down and backwards.
3. He rotates his entire torso to the right and backwards, much like a baseball pitcher deep into the wind up.
4. Many times, he throws off his back foot or even kinda' does some sort of fade-away jumper as he throws the ball.
5. All of this (numbers 1-4) causes such a drastic, cumulative series of events that the time he wastes with all of it is a reason that DBs can read-and-react a little easier than they can against other QBs. And we haven't even thrown in the fact that he locks onto AJ, cannot read defenses pre-snap, and cannot dissect a play when it's in motion.
SCHAUB:
1. Holds the ball near his earhole, or at least further up than David.
2. His feet and shoulders are almost always "squared up" no matter what is going on during the play.
3. His throwing motion is straight back and then "over the top" with no weird, funky mechanics like we see in David. It's a rhythm: Pop-pop-pop, or in other words: Ball up to the helmet-Ball snaps backward-Ball comes out "over the top," and that equals (a) efficiency, and (b) confidence in himself that he knows he can get the ball to somebody, somewhere. Whereas in David, it was as if he had already determined that nobody was going to be open.
4. Schaub has been running the WCO since his college days, and David was probably never going to resolve within himself to really learn it and to really buy into it. That right there should give us a lot of hope this season: David wasn't able to really feel comfy in the WCO. Schaub is very comfy in the WCO. We have a coach and a QB who are very literally "on the same page." Did you see Vick's expression when Schaub and the coach were analyzing film on the sideline? It was like Vick pretty much knew that Schaub knew his business. It wasn't exactly a look of joy, was it?
Baldinger didn't even get into the actual "throwing mechanics" of each QB. Had he, it would have been like rubbing salt into the wound.

Carr definitely has some funky mechanics. The question has to be asked, why were coaches not able to correct that? I can understand that it's not easy to alter the way you've thrown most of your life but a solid QB has to be coachable. You see it all the time. A player starts having problems and they bring in someone to correct their mechanics and the result is usually positive. Not only in football but major league pitchers do it all the time also, and their mechanics are way more complicated.
Schaub has the proto typical delivery motion. He keeps the ball up high which reduces the chances of having it stripped. Carr does hold the ball extremely low and we all know how many times he turned the ball over last year. Again it boils down to mechanics which should be something that was corrected a long time ago through proper coaching.
As for the West Coast Offense, it generally takes a very smart QB to be effective running it. It's critical that the QB be able to read defeses and react to the play as it develops. According to Baldinger, Carr is not good at either. The other analyst (don't remember his name) said he spends too much time watching the line. Maybe that's becausse he was sacked so much in the early yrs but at some point you have to question his confidence. It was apparent in both of the plays they broke down that Carr had plenty of time to get rid of the ball. Instead he anticipated the pressure long before it was actually on him.
I think they're right. Carr needs to take a step back and re-learn the position. If he's able to watch another QB do it the right way, and work on his mechanics and confidence, MAYBE he'll be successful. But that's a big IF that we couldn't afford to deal with anymore. I guess you'd have to call Carr a project QB now.
The truth is in the film. Maybe one day Ron Jawarski and Merril Hodge will break it down on NFL Matchup so the whole country will get off our backs. Hey I can dream can't I?

[valleytexfan]

That gave me goose bumps about what Schaub can do.


I'm right there with you...that just showed what we all knew. DC needed a change. I'm psyched about the Texans in 07!!

[cseafous]

Awesome vid. Thanks for posting this
A couple of things stood out to me.
First it wasn't Kubes that made the decision to give Carr a contract extension, it was McNair's. Last time I checked the coach doesn't sign the paychecks.
Notice the happy feet by Carr on the bootleg. He never stopped and set his feet. Instead he prematurely let the pressure, which was still 5 yrds away, cause him to throw the ball off his back foot and out of bounds to the camera man. I didn't even see a Texan receiver in the frame anywhere, which tells me he already made up his mind to throw it away as soon as he saw the white jersey. In Carr's defense Schaub was getting a little better protection on that play but DC still had enough time to set his feet and throw. That's what you call "hearing footsteps" .
Second, the turnover TD to the Raiders was an obvious example of the same thing. Carr had 2 wide open receivers that had planted and turned to square themselves up. Even I could've hit one of them in the chest. Instead DC cradled and lost the ball again. He wasn't in any danger to take a sack if he would've pulled the trigger on either one of those receivers......again he was "hearing footsteps". That tells me he was a QB playing scared and completely without confidence.
And Woodson's comment that Carr didn't have anyone except AJ to throw to is as insulting to Eric Moulds and Owen Daniels as it is inaccurate. Moulds could still have been a #1 WR on another team last year, and Daniels is a very good receiving TE.


Here's what stands out to me:
CARR:
1. Holds the ball low, almost to his waist--It takes more time to get the ball into a throwing motion because of this.
2. When he brings the ball back (to throw it), his entire body squats down and backwards.
3. He rotates his entire torso to the right and backwards, much like a baseball pitcher deep into the wind up.
4. Many times, he throws off his back foot or even kinda' does some sort of fade-away jumper as he throws the ball.
5. All of this (numbers 1-4) causes such a drastic, cumulative series of events that the time he wastes with all of it is a reason that DBs can read-and-react a little easier than they can against other QBs. And we haven't even thrown in the fact that he locks onto AJ, cannot read defenses pre-snap, and cannot dissect a play when it's in motion.
SCHAUB:
1. Holds the ball near his earhole, or at least further up than David.
2. His feet and shoulders are almost always "squared up" no matter what is going on during the play.
3. His throwing motion is straight back and then "over the top" with no weird, funky mechanics like we see in David. It's a rhythm: Pop-pop-pop, or in other words: Ball up to the helmet-Ball snaps backward-Ball comes out "over the top," and that equals (a) efficiency, and (b) confidence in himself that he knows he can get the ball to somebody, somewhere. Whereas in David, it was as if he had already determined that nobody was going to be open.
4. Schaub has been running the WCO since his college days, and David was probably never going to resolve within himself to really learn it and to really buy into it. That right there should give us a lot of hope this season: David wasn't able to really feel comfy in the WCO. Schaub is very comfy in the WCO. We have a coach and a QB who are very literally "on the same page." Did you see Vick's expression when Schaub and the coach were analyzing film on the sideline? It was like Vick pretty much knew that Schaub knew his business. It wasn't exactly a look of joy, was it?
Baldinger didn't even get into the actual "throwing mechanics" of each QB. Had he, it would have been like rubbing salt into the wound.

Carr definitely has some funky mechanics. The question has to be asked, why were coaches not able to correct that? I can understand that it's not easy to alter the way you've thrown most of your life but a solid QB has to be coachable. You see it all the time. A player starts having problems and they bring in someone to correct their mechanics and the result is usually positive. Not only in football but major league pitchers do it all the time also, and their mechanics are way more complicated.
Schaub has the proto typical delivery motion. He keeps the ball up high which reduces the chances of having it stripped. Carr does hold the ball extremely low and we all know how many times he turned the ball over last year. Again it boils down to mechanics which should be something that was corrected a long time ago through proper coaching.
As for the West Coast Offense, it generally takes a very smart QB to be effective running it. It's critical that the QB be able to read defeses and react to the play as it develops. According to Baldinger, Carr is not good at either. The other analyst (don't remember his name) said he spends too much time watching the line. Maybe that's becausse he was sacked so much in the early yrs but at some point you have to question his confidence. It was apparent in both of the plays they broke down that Carr had plenty of time to get rid of the ball. Instead he anticipated the pressure long before it was actually on him.
I think they're right. Carr needs to take a step back and re-learn the position. If he's able to watch another QB do it the right way, and work on his mechanics and confidence, MAYBE he'll be successful. But that's a big IF that we couldn't afford to deal with anymore. I guess you'd have to call Carr a project QB now.
The truth is in the film. Maybe one day Ron Jawarski and Merril Hodge will break it down on NFL Matchup so the whole country will get off our backs. Hey I can dream can't I?


The bottom line is that we should have had a veteran QB to lead this team from the start. Our 1st draft pick ever could have been Carr but more likely would have been an impact player for our offense. If it was Carr, he would have had the chance to learn behind a solid vet (please don't mention Tony Banks, in fact if you were even thinking his name, just go). If nothing else, it would have given him time to grow up and realize the amount of dedication it takes to become a starting QB. Andre Johnson and others have said that Carr didn't get much coaching during practice and almost no feedback during the game for the first four years. You can't blame the o-line for that or for the missed blocks by the TEs and RBs. You also can't blame the team for Carr's lack of development once he did start to receive good coaching under Kubiak. The video pretty much tells the story that we've been seeing for years. You could look at the last Raiders game as the most telling display of Carr's deficiencies. The ground game was clicking, the defense was getting off the field and yet he goes for negative yards in that game. I think we ruined a young QB and wasted 5 years because Capers went away from the fomrula that brought him success with his first expansion team. So Carr gets to reset with another team and we get to reset with another QB. I think now we will see a different product out on the field and I am very excited.

[ObsiWan]

GP, THANK YOU!!! A thousand times, "thank you"!!
Now I have a link to post to other msg boards to show what I've been trying to explain on cbs sportsline and yahoo sports.
You - and the NFL network - made my month.
Man, I hope when Comcast takes over that we can get NFL Network on cable.

[Whiskeyrbl]

GP thanks for the visual backup for the argument that we are in a better position as a team with Schaub. I tried to explain a couple of times how at the games I would see open recievers and look back at Carr and he was just tucking and running or throwing the ball OB. That play against the Raiders showed 2 receivers squared and open and a 3rd over the top in the middle of the field who had a step on his defender. 3 options to go to and he tucks the ball. The line gave him ample time to throw it. Maybe he thought he was to close to the line and it would get batted down, who knows, but that was the first 5 years in a nutshell. Thanks again

[caddy]

GP thanks for the effort to post the film. Now, I wouldn't feel bad taking more Carr haters money again this year. In fact I feel bad about the Schaubie's compaired to only a Pentium II... I will say he's at least a Pentium III according too the slected plays shown. One last thing. Please, remember that my feelings and bank-roll will be used this year too show that Carr wasn't the cause of the Texans poor showing.

[Vinny]

GP thanks for the effort to post the film. Now, I wouldn't feel bad taking more Carr haters money again this year. In fact I feel bad about the Schaubie's compaired to only a Pentium II... I will say he's at least a Pentium III according too the slected plays shown. One last thing. Please, remember that my feelings and bank-roll will be used this year too show that Carr wasn't the cause of the Texans poor showing.Honest question Caddy...are you a Texans fan or are you just a Carr fan?

[Pantherstang84]

I know I'm waisting my breath here, but the "selected plays" you refer to are the bread and butter of the WCO passing game (I know the WCO is a balanced offense). Your man couldn't run em. Don't call me a hater either. I had your boy's back until last year. He's damaged goods and needs to get his head screwed back on. Hopefully, he will have that opportunity in Carolina.

Like Lombardi said in the clip. He needs to take a step back and observe for a while. Maybe next year he will be fine. I hope so and wish him the best unless he is playing the Texans of course.

The clip as much of a demonstration of how bad things had gotten for Carr as it is praise for Schaub. There is no hate for Carr here. Just a realization of the truth.

I had to eat some serious crow from my 16 yr. old son over Carr. He saw the problem 2 years ago. I didn't.

[Zagen30]

Pentium II? Schaub looks like a Pentium 4 just from the film, and at this point P4s are kind of outdated. Hopefully Schaub will show that he's at least a Pentium D, if not a full-blown Conroe.

[PhilpW]

GP thanks for the effort to post the film. Now, I wouldn't feel bad taking more Carr haters money again this year. In fact I feel bad about the Schaubie's compaired to only a Pentium II... I will say he's at least a Pentium III according too the slected plays shown. One last thing. Please, remember that my feelings and bank-roll will be used this year too show that Carr wasn't the cause of the Texans poor showing.Honest question Caddy...are you a Texans fan or are you just a Carr fan?
Honest.....I don't think he "handle the truth."

[caddy]

GP thanks for the effort to post the film. Now, I wouldn't feel bad taking more Carr haters money again this year. In fact I feel bad about the Schaubie's compaired to only a Pentium II... I will say he's at least a Pentium III according too the slected plays shown. One last thing. Please, remember that my feelings and bank-roll will be used this year too show that Carr wasn't the cause of the Texans poor showing.Honest question Caddy...are you a Texans fan or are you just a Carr fan? Well pebble, you've seen my posts since before our name, & logo was even slected. So you know... that I'm not one to blame the QB when things aren't going good. Like every team's fans do. Now think. What is one of the biggest smoke screen used when haters want to dis-credit another post? The old tired " your not a true fan. Bull, I expect better from you. But we've diagreed before and surly will again.

[GP]

GP thanks for the effort to post the film. Now, I wouldn't feel bad taking more Carr haters money again this year. In fact I feel bad about the Schaubie's compaired to only a Pentium II... I will say he's at least a Pentium III according too the slected plays shown. One last thing. Please, remember that my feelings and bank-roll will be used this year too show that Carr wasn't the cause of the Texans poor showing.Honest question Caddy...are you a Texans fan or are you just a Carr fan? Well pebble, you've seen my posts since before our name, & logo was even slected. So you know... that I'm not one to blame the QB when things aren't going good. Like every team's fans do. Now think. What is one of the biggest smoke screen used when haters want to dis-credit another post? The old tired " your not a true fan. Bull, I expect better from you. But we've diagreed before and surly will again.
You defend David Carr so much that it can only lead to the question "Are you a Texans fan or a David Carr fan?"
YOU put yourself into that spot, caddy. And only YOU can get yourself out of it.
Perhaps you have issues with the concept of "letting go." Keep throwing $100 bills at black 13 on the roulette wheel, caddy, and see where it gets you.
I mean, it's cool to be somewhat stubborn and to never lower the flag. You're to be commended for staying true to a person (David Carr) through thick and through thin. But at some point, your stance on this issue kinda' becomes a little sad and desperate.
Lots of fans here, including myself, had defended and stood up for David until this past season when it was painfully obvious (to everybody but you and David's brother) that he wasn't fitting in. Can he fit in at Carolina? I have serious doubts.
I just think he's all flash and no cash. Looks good, works out well, is a good role model for families. But he's not gameday material. The guy cannot figure out what's about to happen on a play. You cannot teach that It's innate, IMO. It has to do with a guy's hard-wired talent that you just don't teach to someone.
But keep hanging in there, caddy. Those windmills just might turn out to be enemy soldiers after all.

[HOU-TEX]

GP thanks for the effort to post the film. Now, I wouldn't feel bad taking more Carr haters money again this year. In fact I feel bad about the Schaubie's compaired to only a Pentium II... I will say he's at least a Pentium III according too the slected plays shown. One last thing. Please, remember that my feelings and bank-roll will be used this year too show that Carr wasn't the cause of the Texans poor showing.Honest question Caddy...are you a Texans fan or are you just a Carr fan? Well pebble, you've seen my posts since before our name, & logo was even slected. So you know... that I'm not one to blame the QB when things aren't going good. Like every team's fans do. Now think. What is one of the biggest smoke screen used when haters want to dis-credit another post? The old tired " your not a true fan. Bull, I expect better from you. But we've diagreed before and surly will again.
The way I look at it is this: If someone who can't come to grips that our former QB was a major problem in our offense then he/she are fans of the QB, family of the QB or has a blatant lack of football intelligence.
I meant that in a nice way. lol

[The Pencil Neck]

So you know... that I'm not one to blame the QB when things aren't going good. Like every team's fans do.
Sometimes the QB gets blamed for things that aren't his fault.
And sometimes the QB gets blamed for things that ARE his fault.
You can find film of examples of our line and our running backs not blocking well and you can put a lowlight reel together of that. I think in that Raider game there were examples. And there are definitely some really bad examples in the first Titans game of our tackles getting totally schooled.
But are you going to continue to say that the line, our running backs, and our receivers were the only problem last year after seeing the tape of Carr making such blatant mistakes? Are you going to say that 6 points gets blamed on the line or the defense? Would changing our LT and C make those receivers any less wide open?
And, yes, you can create a lowlight reel for Manning and for Brady. Maybe it would look just as bad as what Baldinger put together on Carr, maybe not. But the thing is, these weren't isolated incidents with Carr. We were seeing him make those plays game after game all season long. That's why Kubiak made all those "questionable" decisions to not run the 2-minute drill.

[caddy]

GP... Thanks for the invite to join the herd. But no thanks, We've got more problems playing as a team then what bringing in a new QB is going to cure. Hope I hear a bunch of " I told you so " as that will mean we're winning games. David is not a fit in Kubiak's grand plan. But other than building a defense unit, I'm not sure what he going to do about a offense in this grand plan. So I'm not going to beat the Drum and sing all is wonderful. Cause it ain't.

[rush2112mn]

No. replacing Carr is not the all end all. But with the aquisitions of the free agents and the draft picks I think it goes a long way. That video was very good and explained some of the bad habits Carr had picked up. Im sure you could do that kind of video for every player at every position. This one happens to show the weakenesses of Carr which most fans can relate to after seeing him play after 5 years here in Houston.

[SuperstarII]

GP thanks for the effort to post the film. Now, I wouldn't feel bad taking more Carr haters money again this year. In fact I feel bad about the Schaubie's compaired to only a Pentium II... I will say he's at least a Pentium III according too the slected plays shown. One last thing. Please, remember that my feelings and bank-roll will be used this year too show that Carr wasn't the cause of the Texans poor showing.Honest question Caddy...are you a Texans fan or are you just a Carr fan? Well pebble, you've seen my posts since before our name, & logo was even slected. So you know... that I'm not one to blame the QB when things aren't going good. Like every team's fans do. Now think. What is one of the biggest smoke screen used when haters want to dis-credit another post? The old tired " your not a true fan. Bull, I expect better from you. But we've diagreed before and surly will again.
The way I look at it is this: If someone who can't come to grips that our former QB was a major problem in our offense then he/she are fans of the QB, family of the QB or has a blatant lack of football intelligence.
I meant that in a nice way. lol


I think that right there says it all about Caddy. Take the C out and place a D in front of addy. C stands for Car. But that is just my observation. In my experience many caddy's don't like football just golf.

[GP]

GP... Thanks for the invite to join the herd. But no thanks, We've got more problems playing as a team then what bringing in a new QB is going to cure. Hope I hear a bunch of " I told you so " as that will mean we're winning games. David is not a fit in Kubiak's grand plan. But other than building a defense unit, I'm not sure what he going to do about a offense in this grand plan. So I'm not going to beat the Drum and sing all is wonderful. Cause it ain't.
It's Kubiak's ship. Delivering an extra four wins on top of Capers' 2-win season is all I need to believe that (a) the team IS turning around, and (b) that Kubiak is entitled to be given the benefit of the doubt as it is related to cutting David Carr in order to sign a WCO Quarterback.
David was the only one having significant problems playing on the team.
A new QB is like having a new boss, especially after an incompetent boss has just left: It can make all the difference in the world.

[ObsiWan]

Thanks alot for posting, great video. My only problem with it was, "Schaub can process information like a Pentium 2 chip." Maybe it's the tech nerd in me, but I think Baldy could've done better with that one.
Yeah. I lol'd over that. But, hey, a P2 is better than the 6502 we had before.

Hey, did you check out all those 80s/90s vintage TVs? Even his big screen was an ancient projection job. Not an HDTV in sight. LOL. And his clicker setup was on VHS tape, not DVD-based.
The man knows football, not tech. He can't be good at everything. Give him a break. [H]
Maybe if the NFL Network would get out of that sole rights to Satellite subscribers deal, they'd pick up enough new customers to let him upgrade his video setup.

[Mr.Bigglesworth]

I am a Carr fan myself, just thought that this move was best for both parties. Carr gets a new start we get a new start.

Cant hold too much on a guy who gave it his best in 5 years. A QBs jobis to win no matter what. Carr did not do that. There were many factorsthough that Carr could not control. Done and overwith he is now aPanther.

[aj]

Schaub is a Core 2 Extreme compared to Ocho Viejo.

[Sprtsfanatic]

Ocho Viejo...thats hilarious aj!!

[fdknuckles]

Great video...gives me hope....eh...gives me more hope

[cseafous]

Someone mentioned that you could put together a lowlight reel like this one on every player on the team. It made me realize that in a small way we just got a glimpse of the type of film review that Kubiak and Smith must have done at the end of the season. And it looks like they came to the same conclusion about Carr that Baldinger did. I think there were other guys on the team who also didn't grade out well but instead of cutting them we brought in FAs or draft picks to compete for their spots. The difference between them and Carr is depth at the position. We have very little depth at most of our positions so some current starters may get to hang on as backups. We already had a backup QB who seems better equiped than Carr so why keep him around?

[Hardcore Texan]

Thanks alot for posting, great video. My only problem with it was, "Schaub can process information like a Pentium 2 chip." Maybe it's the tech nerd in me, but I think Baldy could've done better with that one.

I like the compliment, but why not Pentium 4 chip or dual core processor, it makes me think he is saying Matt is "outdated".
I do think Matt is going to light it up this year, it will prove to be a smart decision by Kubiak and Smith.
Go TEXANS!!!

[Wolf123]

Loved the video. really shows that schaub knows his stuff.

[ObsiWan]

Someone mentioned that you could put together a lowlight reel like this one on every player on the team. It made me realize that in a small way we just got a glimpse of the type of film review that Kubiak and Smith must have done at the end of the season. And it looks like they came to the same conclusion about Carr that Baldinger did. I think there were other guys on the team who also didn't grade out well but instead of cutting them we brought in FAs or draft picks to compete for their spots. The difference between them and Carr is depth at the position. We have very little depth at most of our positions so some current starters may get to hang on as backups. We already had a backup QB who seems better equiped than Carr so why keep him around?
Exactly. He took up too much salary cap room to stay around as a backup.
Must have broke McNair's heart to see him go. But I bet they're probably still MySpace buddies. [:D]

[TexanFanInCC]

great find GP. it will be interesting to see how jeb putzier will be used in the offense. i still think he has plenty of game. its a shame he wasnt used last year. its no coincidence that rosenfels was able to have success while he was out there during the titans game.

[Wolf123]

I don't really think that Putzier will be that envolved in the offense. I don't see what he brings that owen daniel doesn't.

[fox]

I don't really think that Putzier will be that envolved in the offense. I don't see what he brings that owen daniel doesn't.

All Jeb brings is another set of hands. Putzier and Daniels aren't mutually exclusive entities, you'll see them both on the field in double TE sets, and having two fairly athletic pass catching TE's on the field at the same time opens up opportunities for Schaub to find an open man.

[Whiskeyrbl]

GP... Thanks for the invite to join the herd. But no thanks, We've got more problems playing as a team then what bringing in a new QB is going to cure. Hope I hear a bunch of " I told you so " as that will mean we're winning games. David is not a fit in Kubiak's grand plan. But other than building a defense unit, I'm not sure what he going to do about a offense in this grand plan. So I'm not going to beat the Drum and sing all is wonderful. Cause it ain't.
I too defended Carr untill last year. But after watching him play in person it was obvious the former regime ( C&C) either ruined this kid or he never really had it. I don't see how you can say that he was not in Kubes "Grand Plan",afterall they picked up his $8 million dollar option to keep him. I think it became painfully obvious that he could'nt run the new offense. The change was warranted and took place. I think we will now see a true NFL product on the field. Not just because of changing the field general, but because of all the moves that are taking place.

[rex king]

I never got in the Carr debate. I had some doubts, but I was hoping Kubiak could turn him around. Kubiak made some mistakes with the offense last year; he admitted as much a few times. But when you can't do some basic things, like going to a shotgun formation or audibling, there are some serious personnel issues.

There were a few times the past two years in which the defense overloaded the weakside. Now, either Carr thought they were bluffing, wasn't allowed to audible, or just flat out didn't recognize it, but he didn't appear to make any pre-snap adjustment at all. They were just gimmes. I was dumbfounded by it.

[HydrOshocK]

I never got in the Carr debate. I had some doubts, but I was hoping Kubiak could turn him around. Kubiak made some mistakes with the offense last year; he admitted as much a few times. But when you can't do some basic things, like going to a shotgun formation or audibling, there are some serious personnel issues.

There were a few times the past two years in which the defense overloaded the weakside. Now, either Carr thought they were bluffing, wasn't allowed to audible, or just flat out didn't recognize it, but he didn't appear to make any pre-snap adjustment at all. They were just gimmes. I was dumbfounded by it.


All of the above

[Super Mario Bros]

This video pumped me up. I'm so excited to see Schaubie run the bootleg. I can't wait for the season to start. We finally have a QB who can make quick reads.
He made prefect reads and throws against the Pats..one of the greatest defenses in the history of the NFL.
And he's got Ahman so the defenses can cheat for the pass.

[threetoedpete]

This video pumped me up. I'm soexcited to see Schaubie run the bootleg. I can't wait for the season tostart. We finally have a QB who can make quick reads.
He made prefect reads and throws against the Pats..one of the greatest defenses in the history of the NFL.
And he's got Ahman so the defenses can cheat for the pass.



No diserespect ment SMB, couldn't get the quick reply to come up.

Well it looks as though Baldy is certain. And I knew when I saw thepresentation that it would appeal to a certian segment on theboard...that twenty five percent segment who can't get enough of thissubject.. I thought it was, like Baldy prety simplistic. It was likefilming an armidillo getting squashed by a vehicle and saying, " seethis is road kill". "Road kill is bad". Whether or not our new guy canpentium II under an assult is something we all get to witness firsthand next season if they don't come up with a few answers this offseason and summer.

I am a Carr fan. I'm also a Texans fan. Just as I'm an EricHeitman fan and a Chester Pits fan. I wish them all well. WhatBaldy conveintly forgot in is presentation is how the road kill got tobe squashed in the middle of the road in the first place. Wanna believeit was all DC fine. We're fixin' to see in spades in '07. If they stillcan't get a screen off, still taking one yard splits the firstgame...still can't find the guy at OLT, it'll be road kill II withMatt. Maybe they find the guy at OLT and Schaub makes it across theroad. The bottom line is, wide open guys or not, they have to fixthe o-line. They have to have the ablity to get five and seven stepdrops off. Something this organization has yet to do in five seasons.Until they do no one is going to respect this offense. Nobody. If theline does not come together, and Matt starts to take a beatingearly....going to be very interesting to see who long it takes beforMatt too developes tunnel vison. DC didn't get to this point byhimself. It took five years, three very bad coaches, and one very badgeneral manager to get there. It was a total effort by a badorganazation. We get to see if they've learned anything the next coupleof seasons.

[GP]

This video pumped me up. I'm so excited to see Schaubie run the bootleg. I can't wait for the season to start. We finally have a QB who can make quick reads.
He made prefect reads and throws against the Pats..one of the greatest defenses in the history of the NFL.
And he's got Ahman so the defenses can cheat for the pass.



No diserespect ment SMB, couldn't get the quick reply to come up.

Well it looks as though Baldy is certain. And I knew when I saw the presentation that it would appeal to a certian segment on the board...that twenty five percent segment who can't get enough of this subject.. I thought it was, like Baldy prety simplistic. It was like filming an armidillo getting squashed by a vehicle and saying, " see this is road kill". "Road kill is bad". Whether or not our new guy can pentium II under an assult is something we all get to witness first hand next season if they don't come up with a few answers this off season and summer.

I am a Carr fan. I'm also a Texans fan. Just as I'm an Eric Heitman fan and a Chester Pits fan. I wish them all well. What Baldy conveintly forgot in is presentation is how the road kill got to be squashed in the middle of the road in the first place. Wanna believe it was all DC fine. We're fixin' to see in spades in '07. If they still can't get a screen off, still taking one yard splits the first game...still can't find the guy at OLT, it'll be road kill II with Matt. Maybe they find the guy at OLT and Schaub makes it across the road. The bottom line is, wide open guys or not, they have to fix the o-line. They have to have the ablity to get five and seven step drops off. Something this organization has yet to do in five seasons. Until they do no one is going to respect this offense. Nobody. If the line does not come together, and Matt starts to take a beating early....going to be very interesting to see who long it takes befor Matt too developes tunnel vison. DC didn't get to this point by himself. It took five years, three very bad coaches, and one very bad general manager to get there. It was a total effort by a bad organazation. We get to see if they've learned anything the next couple of seasons.

In reply to the segment of your post that I have bolded (above): David Carr CANNOT read defenses (Pre-snap nor during the play itself). David was holding everyone back.
I saw a perfect pocket vs. the Raiders and THREE receivers who were open. Schaub makes that throw, David froze up and gave the Raiders a TD. And this was not an isolated incident. This is why Kubiak ran the ball Capers-style for the remainder of the year: Damage control.
I suggest you re-watch the entire video, ignore your pre-conceived notions and opinions about the atrocious and awful oline that you keep harping on, and LISTEN to what's being said. The entire segmment has this main idea: David Carr CANNOT read defenses Pre-snap nor during the play. David is the QB who has ONE option on every play, locks onto thst option at the snap, and cannot switch gears fast enough to go to another option--How many times did we hear Dom Capers mention that David needs to go through his progressions better? I mean, DOM CAPERS even saw (to some degree) what 99.9% of us have been seeing. David is not NFL material. He looks good, he works out well, and he's a great role model for kids and families. Come gameday, he just melts.
End of debate. I mean, seriously, we have possibly two people on this entire board who cannot see the forest for the trees. I was blind up until the midway point of the 2006 season, but I finally let it go and decided that I had been wrong all these years.
There's more shame in holding onto a losing side of the argument than to man up and say "Yeah, you guys were right."
But you and caddy keep plugging away. "Keep choppin' wood" as Del Rio implores.
(sigh)
LOL. Unreal.

[Pantherstang84]

In reply to the segment of your post that I have bolded (above): David Carr CANNOT read defenses (Pre-snap nor during the play itself). David was holding everyone back.
I saw a perfect pocket vs. the Raiders and THREE receivers who were open. Schaub makes that throw, David froze up and gave the Raiders a TD. And this was not an isolated incident. This is why Kubiak ran the ball Capers-style for the remainder of the year: Damage control.
I suggest you re-watch the entire video, ignore your pre-conceived notions and opinions about the atrocious and awful oline that you keep harping on, and LISTEN to what's being said. The entire segmment has this main idea: David Carr CANNOT read defenses Pre-snap nor during the play. David is the QB who has ONE option on every play, locks onto thst option at the snap, and cannot switch gears fast enough to go to another option--How many times did we hear Dom Capers mention that David needs to go through his progressions better? I mean, DOM CAPERS even saw (to some degree) what 99.9% of us have been seeing. David is not NFL material. He looks good, he works out well, and he's a great role model for kids and families. Come gameday, he just melts.
End of debate. I mean, seriously, we have possibly two people on this entire board who cannot see the forest for the trees. I was blind up until the midway point of the 2006 season, but I finally let it go and decided that I had been wrong all these years.
There's more shame in holding onto a losing side of the argument than to man up and say "Yeah, you guys were right."
But you and caddy keep plugging away. "Keep choppin' wood" as Del Rio implores.
(sigh)
LOL. Unreal.


LOL. Save your breath dude. Geez you prove your point with video tape even, and the Carr man lover's still are not convinced. It's absolutely hysterical.

[HydrOshocK]

This video pumped me up. I'm so excited to see Schaubie run the bootleg. I can't wait for the season to start. We finally have a QB who can make quick reads.
He made prefect reads and throws against the Pats..one of the greatest defenses in the history of the NFL.
And he's got Ahman so the defenses can cheat for the pass.



No diserespect ment SMB, couldn't get the quick reply to come up.

Well it looks as though Baldy is certain. And I knew when I saw the presentation that it would appeal to a certian segment on the board...that twenty five percent segment who can't get enough of this subject.. I thought it was, like Baldy prety simplistic. It was like filming an armidillo getting squashed by a vehicle and saying, " see this is road kill". "Road kill is bad". Whether or not our new guy can pentium II under an assult is something we all get to witness first hand next season if they don't come up with a few answers this off season and summer.

I am a Carr fan. I'm also a Texans fan. Just as I'm an Eric Heitman fan and a Chester Pits fan. I wish them all well. What Baldy conveintly forgot in is presentation is how the road kill got to be squashed in the middle of the road in the first place. Wanna believe it was all DC fine. We're fixin' to see in spades in '07. If they still can't get a screen off, still taking one yard splits the first game...still can't find the guy at OLT, it'll be road kill II with Matt. Maybe they find the guy at OLT and Schaub makes it across the road. The bottom line is, wide open guys or not, they have to fix the o-line. They have to have the ablity to get five and seven step drops off. Something this organization has yet to do in five seasons. Until they do no one is going to respect this offense. Nobody. If the line does not come together, and Matt starts to take a beating early....going to be very interesting to see who long it takes befor Matt too developes tunnel vison. DC didn't get to this point by himself. It took five years, three very bad coaches, and one very bad general manager to get there. It was a total effort by a bad organazation. We get to see if they've learned anything the next couple of seasons.

In reply to the segment of your post that I have bolded (above): David Carr CANNOT read defenses (Pre-snap nor during the play itself). David was holding everyone back.
I saw a perfect pocket vs. the Raiders and THREE receivers who were open. Schaub makes that throw, David froze up and gave the Raiders a TD. And this was not an isolated incident. This is why Kubiak ran the ball Capers-style for the remainder of the year: Damage control.
I suggest you re-watch the entire video, ignore your pre-conceived notions and opinions about the atrocious and awful oline that you keep harping on, and LISTEN to what's being said. The entire segmment has this main idea: David Carr CANNOT read defenses Pre-snap nor during the play. David is the QB who has ONE option on every play, locks onto thst option at the snap, and cannot switch gears fast enough to go to another option--How many times did we hear Dom Capers mention that David needs to go through his progressions better? I mean, DOM CAPERS even saw (to some degree) what 99.9% of us have been seeing. David is not NFL material. He looks good, he works out well, and he's a great role model for kids and families. Come gameday, he just melts.
End of debate. I mean, seriously, we have possibly two people on this entire board who cannot see the forest for the trees. I was blind up until the midway point of the 2006 season, but I finally let it go and decided that I had been wrong all these years.
There's more shame in holding onto a losing side of the argument than to man up and say "Yeah, you guys were right."
But you and caddy keep plugging away. "Keep choppin' wood" as Del Rio implores.
(sigh)
LOL. Unreal.

guess someone wasn't done throwing fuel on this fire [;)]
Dom's coaching wasn't effective with Carr because he couldn't get past his Kerry Collins man crush. Collins had the tools to get him as close to the Super Bowl as he's ever going to sniff. He thought he could pull the same thing off with Carr. But DC's nowhere near the QB that KC was....until he went to the Tacks.
In all fairness to the David loyalists. If you can dig up a comparison video of Carr making an outstanding play, and Schaub completely melting down while attempting to run that same play, I'd love to see it.
stand up for your boy with more than just excuses and complaints, or admit that maybe everyone else has a point

[ObsiWan]

This video pumped me up. I'm so excited to see Schaubie run the bootleg. I can't wait for the season to start. We finally have a QB who can make quick reads.
He made prefect reads and throws against the Pats..one of the greatest defenses in the history of the NFL.
And he's got Ahman so the defenses can cheat for the pass.



No diserespect ment SMB, couldn't get the quick reply to come up.

Well it looks as though Baldy is certain. And I knew when I saw the presentation that it would appeal to a certian segment on the board...that twenty five percent segment who can't get enough of this subject.. I thought it was, like Baldy prety simplistic. It was like filming an armidillo getting squashed by a vehicle and saying, " see this is road kill". "Road kill is bad". Whether or not our new guy can pentium II under an assult is something we all get to witness first hand next season if they don't come up with a few answers this off season and summer.

I am a Carr fan. I'm also a Texans fan. Just as I'm an Eric Heitman fan and a Chester Pits fan. I wish them all well. What Baldy conveintly forgot in is presentation is how the road kill got to be squashed in the middle of the road in the first place. Wanna believe it was all DC fine. We're fixin' to see in spades in '07. If they still can't get a screen off, still taking one yard splits the first game...still can't find the guy at OLT, it'll be road kill II with Matt. Maybe they find the guy at OLT and Schaub makes it across the road. The bottom line is, wide open guys or not, they have to fix the o-line. They have to have the ablity to get five and seven step drops off. Something this organization has yet to do in five seasons. Until they do no one is going to respect this offense. Nobody. If the line does not come together, and Matt starts to take a beating early....going to be very interesting to see who long it takes befor Matt too developes tunnel vison. DC didn't get to this point by himself. It took five years, three very bad coaches, and one very bad general manager to get there. It was a total effort by a bad organazation. We get to see if they've learned anything the next couple of seasons.

In reply to the segment of your post that I have bolded (above): David Carr CANNOT read defenses (Pre-snap nor during the play itself). David was holding everyone back.
I saw a perfect pocket vs. the Raiders and THREE receivers who were open. Schaub makes that throw, David froze up and gave the Raiders a TD. And this was not an isolated incident. This is why Kubiak ran the ball Capers-style for the remainder of the year: Damage control.
I suggest you re-watch the entire video, ignore your pre-conceived notions and opinions about the atrocious and awful oline that you keep harping on, and LISTEN to what's being said. The entire segmment has this main idea: David Carr CANNOT read defenses Pre-snap nor during the play. David is the QB who has ONE option on every play, locks onto thst option at the snap, and cannot switch gears fast enough to go to another option--How many times did we hear Dom Capers mention that David needs to go through his progressions better? I mean, DOM CAPERS even saw (to some degree) what 99.9% of us have been seeing. David is not NFL material. He looks good, he works out well, and he's a great role model for kids and families. Come gameday, he just melts.
End of debate. I mean, seriously, we have possibly two people on this entire board who cannot see the forest for the trees. I was blind up until the midway point of the 2006 season, but I finally let it go and decided that I had been wrong all these years.
There's more shame in holding onto a losing side of the argument than to man up and say "Yeah, you guys were right."
But you and caddy keep plugging away. "Keep choppin' wood" as Del Rio implores.
(sigh)
LOL. Unreal.

guess someone wasn't done throwing fuel on this fire [;)]
Dom's coaching wasn't effective with Carr because he couldn't get past his Kerry Collins man crush. Collins had the tools to get him as close to the Super Bowl as he's ever going to sniff. He thought he could pull the same thing off with Carr. But DC's nowhere near the QB that KC was....until he went to the Tacks.
In all fairness to the David loyalists. If you can dig up a comparison video of Carr making an outstanding play, and Schaub completely melting down while attempting to run that same play, I'd love to see it.
stand up for your boy with more than just excuses and complaints, or admit that maybe everyone else has a point

And while the Carr-Loyalists are digging up those comparison videos - or before - answer this: Why did Carr go to Carolina instead of Seattle??
- Both teams are playoff caliber.
- Both teams have QBs that went down due to injury and could possibly do so again this year. So Carr would have a shot to run the club before the season is out.
- Both teams have good running attacks, in fact, if Alexander is totally healed I'd say Seattle has an edge.
- Both teams have decent receiving corps and good O-lines (compared to how "bad" ours is alleged to be)
The difference is (and I've posted this elsewhere): At Seattle Carr could hone his skills under Mike Holmgren.
Let me repeat that: In Seattle, Carr could have learned from Mike Holmgren who helped two (Young & Montana), soon to be three (assuming Favre ever retires), QBs get to the Hall of Fame. And OBTW, this same guy turned Matt Hasselbeck from a "whodat?" into a SuperBowl QB. Why wouldn't ANY young QB, trying to resurrect his career, not want to learn at the feet of the master???
Instead, he goes to Carolina to be under yet another DEFENSIVE MINDED coach. Didn't he just leave that kind of nightmare?? That decision flat boggled my mind.
And speaking of decisions, do you need any more evidence regarding Carr's inability to make good decisions.
The Prosecution rests.

[GP]

This video pumped me up. I'm so excited to see Schaubie run the bootleg. I can't wait for the season to start. We finally have a QB who can make quick reads.
He made prefect reads and throws against the Pats..one of the greatest defenses in the history of the NFL.
And he's got Ahman so the defenses can cheat for the pass.



No diserespect ment SMB, couldn't get the quick reply to come up.

Well it looks as though Baldy is certain. And I knew when I saw the presentation that it would appeal to a certian segment on the board...that twenty five percent segment who can't get enough of this subject.. I thought it was, like Baldy prety simplistic. It was like filming an armidillo getting squashed by a vehicle and saying, " see this is road kill". "Road kill is bad". Whether or not our new guy can pentium II under an assult is something we all get to witness first hand next season if they don't come up with a few answers this off season and summer.

I am a Carr fan. I'm also a Texans fan. Just as I'm an Eric Heitman fan and a Chester Pits fan. I wish them all well. What Baldy conveintly forgot in is presentation is how the road kill got to be squashed in the middle of the road in the first place. Wanna believe it was all DC fine. We're fixin' to see in spades in '07. If they still can't get a screen off, still taking one yard splits the first game...still can't find the guy at OLT, it'll be road kill II with Matt. Maybe they find the guy at OLT and Schaub makes it across the road. The bottom line is, wide open guys or not, they have to fix the o-line. They have to have the ablity to get five and seven step drops off. Something this organization has yet to do in five seasons. Until they do no one is going to respect this offense. Nobody. If the line does not come together, and Matt starts to take a beating early....going to be very interesting to see who long it takes befor Matt too developes tunnel vison. DC didn't get to this point by himself. It took five years, three very bad coaches, and one very bad general manager to get there. It was a total effort by a bad organazation. We get to see if they've learned anything the next couple of seasons.

In reply to the segment of your post that I have bolded (above): David Carr CANNOT read defenses (Pre-snap nor during the play itself). David was holding everyone back.
I saw a perfect pocket vs. the Raiders and THREE receivers who were open. Schaub makes that throw, David froze up and gave the Raiders a TD. And this was not an isolated incident. This is why Kubiak ran the ball Capers-style for the remainder of the year: Damage control.
I suggest you re-watch the entire video, ignore your pre-conceived notions and opinions about the atrocious and awful oline that you keep harping on, and LISTEN to what's being said. The entire segmment has this main idea: David Carr CANNOT read defenses Pre-snap nor during the play. David is the QB who has ONE option on every play, locks onto thst option at the snap, and cannot switch gears fast enough to go to another option--How many times did we hear Dom Capers mention that David needs to go through his progressions better? I mean, DOM CAPERS even saw (to some degree) what 99.9% of us have been seeing. David is not NFL material. He looks good, he works out well, and he's a great role model for kids and families. Come gameday, he just melts.
End of debate. I mean, seriously, we have possibly two people on this entire board who cannot see the forest for the trees. I was blind up until the midway point of the 2006 season, but I finally let it go and decided that I had been wrong all these years.
There's more shame in holding onto a losing side of the argument than to man up and say "Yeah, you guys were right."
But you and caddy keep plugging away. "Keep choppin' wood" as Del Rio implores.
(sigh)
LOL. Unreal.

guess someone wasn't done throwing fuel on this fire [;)]
Dom's coaching wasn't effective with Carr because he couldn't get past his Kerry Collins man crush. Collins had the tools to get him as close to the Super Bowl as he's ever going to sniff. He thought he could pull the same thing off with Carr. But DC's nowhere near the QB that KC was....until he went to the Tacks.
In all fairness to the David loyalists. If you can dig up a comparison video of Carr making an outstanding play, and Schaub completely melting down while attempting to run that same play, I'd love to see it.
stand up for your boy with more than just excuses and complaints, or admit that maybe everyone else has a point

And while the Carr-Loyalists are digging up those comparison videos - or before - answer this: Why did Carr go to Carolina instead of Seattle??
- Both teams are playoff caliber.
- Both teams have QBs that went down due to injury and could possibly do so again this year. So Carr would have a shot to run the club before the season is out.
- Both teams have good running attacks, in fact, if Alexander is totally healed I'd say Seattle has an edge.
- Both teams have decent receiving corps and good O-lines (compared to how "bad" ours is alleged to be)
The difference is (and I've posted this elsewhere): At Seattle Carr could hone his skills under Mike Holmgren.
Let me repeat that: In Seattle, Carr could have learned from Mike Holmgren who helped two (Young & Montana), soon to be three (assuming Favre ever retires), QBs get to the Hall of Fame. And OBTW, this same guy turned Matt Hasselbeck from a "whodat?" into a SuperBowl QB. Why wouldn't ANY young QB, trying to resurrect his career, not want to learn at the feet of the master???
Instead, he goes to Carolina to be under yet another DEFENSIVE MINDED coach. Didn't he just leave that kind of nightmare?? That decision flat boggled my mind.
And speaking of decisions, do you need any more evidence regarding Carr's inability to make good decisions.
The Prosecution rests.


He went to Carolina because his flaws will be less-noticed than had he gone to Seattle.
In Seattle, he would have been surrounded by so much firepower that his lack of ability would have been MAGNIFIED to the inth degree.
Seriously, he can just blend into a very mediocre Carolina team that has some questions on the o line, a batte at RB that's going to get sticky very soon, and a QB that has drifted in and out of favor with fans over the past few years.
Carolina is a flawed team. Seattle is a stout team.
He looks better on a bad team. AND, his inabilities get recognized much later than they would in Seattle. This way, when Carolina tanks, he can attempt to take it over...and if it tanks with him, he can say that he was on a team with a bad o line, questions at RB, and that it was a situation that cost Delhomme his job AND cost David his job.
It's a huge setup, IMO. He very calculatingly went to Carolina instead of to a much better Seattle team. Add it up. I get my answer, what do you guys get?

[TexanFanInCC]

i know just how stubborn GP can be when we were debating about chad stanley sucking so bad. no offense GP :-) but i must say i really agree with everything he is saying about carr.

im getting sick and tired of everyone assuming the offensive line is terrible. if the o-line was SOOO bad, why would steve mckinney and chester pitts be returning for their 6th seasons? why was wiegert here for 4 seasons before injuries caught up? those three guys were 3/5 of the starting line last yr. i know there are some stupid decision makers, but i gotta believe that even casserly himself couldnt have been THAT stupid to where he would keep 3 o-lineman around for so long if the line was really THAT bad.

people will see, that if u have a quarterback who knows how to beat a blitz by having efficient decision-making, defenses will eventually drastically reduce the amount of times they blitz, therefore making the lines job much easier. the reason why the o-line "looked" bad was because david carr was never able to punish opposing defenses for blitzing by throwing the ball down the field or by getting rid of the ball. teams were stacking 8-9 in the box on almost every down in nearly every situation because carr didnt make think twice about doing it, either by making quick reads or completing passes down the field to guys other than andre johnson. with 8-9 guys in the box, of course its going to be tough for the o-line to hold blocks. carr made the o-line look bad.

[ObsiWan]

It's a huge setup, IMO. He very calculatingly went to Carolina instead of to a much better Seattle team. Add it up. I get my answer, what do you guys get?
In Seattle, he would have had another demanding coach. He ran from Kubiak when Kubes demanded performance and strove for perfection. Holmgrem would have been just as demanding. Maybe more so. Its obvious to me, he took the path of least resistance.
or maybe he didn't think he could beat out Seattle's Seneca Wallace for the backup job.
Again, that's the path of least resistance. He'd rather walk into Carolina and be handed a backup job than go to Seattle, work hard, and beat out the guy that's already there for a chance to learn from "The Walrus".
Carr's a good person but he's not an NFL caliber QB. Doesn't look like he ever wants to be.

[rex king]

I don't know about all that. I think you could just as easily assume he still wants to start. He has a much better chance of doing that in Carolina than Seattle. If he had gone to Seattle, I think he would have sealed his fate as a career backup. I do agree, though, that he'd get better coaching and a better chance to improve under Holmgren.

[HydrOshocK]

Should we start the David Carr - Joey Harrington comparisons now?

[HydrOshocK]

Should we start the David Carr - Joey Harrington comparisons now?
I think some of you that still talk about David Carr should just disappear, please. I understand it's the down time in the NFL right now, but you can find something ELSE to talk about. For example....the Round Rock Astros (hehe), the Rockets upcoming season, the NBA Draft, debate the use of a 4-6 defense vs. the use of a 4-4 defense in certain situations, comparing Amobi to Bryant Young, comparing Mario to Reggie White, comparing boxed mashed potatoes to the real thing, comparing Brandon Frye to Walter Jones....heck, anything else besides that David guy.

I'm not going anywhere. If you don't like discussing the topic, then don't. IMO it's justified, and I have just as much right as anyone here to compare whomever I want.

[HydrOshocK]

Should we start the David Carr - Joey Harrington comparisons now?
I think some of you that still talk about David Carr should just disappear, please. I understand it's the down time in the NFL right now, but you can find something ELSE to talk about. For example....the Round Rock Astros (hehe), the Rockets upcoming season, the NBA Draft, debate the use of a 4-6 defense vs. the use of a 4-4 defense in certain situations, comparing Amobi to Bryant Young, comparing Mario to Reggie White, comparing boxed mashed potatoes to the real thing, comparing Brandon Frye to Walter Jones....heck, anything else besides that David guy.

p.s. It's a David Carr discussion thread if you haven't noticed.

[ObsiWan]

Should we start the David Carr - Joey Harrington comparisons now?
I think some of you that still talk about David Carr should just disappear, please. I understand it's the down time in the NFL right now, but you can find something ELSE to talk about. For example....the Round Rock Astros (hehe), the Rockets upcoming season, the NBA Draft, debate the use of a 4-6 defense vs. the use of a 4-4 defense in certain situations, comparing Amobi to Bryant Young, comparing Mario to Reggie White, comparing boxed mashed potatoes to the real thing, comparing Brandon Frye to Walter Jones....heck, anything else besides that David guy.

Sorry AD28, but everytime the so-called "experts" insist on dissin' our O-line or say we never gave Carr the weapons he needed it gets my goat. And to see that one of those guys actually took the time to break down film and saw what those of us who went to the games saw all last year is noteworthy. In fact, its absolutely amazing. So of course there's going to be a thread on it. Five pages of comments should let you know its still a topic of interest around these parts.
And if you want to debate the merits of real mashed potatoes vs. boxed, I'm sure there's a Martha Stewart message board someplace on the web. [:)] Regarding those other topics you tossed out, start a thread and see who responds. ...not the Astros though - way too depressing.

[Pantherstang84]

The part of the clip that seals the whole debate for me is the Oakland defensive TD. The endzone cam (the angle very seldom on tv) just illustrates it perfectly. There's Carr dancing around the pocket (and a nice pocket it was too) with 2 receivers WAO (wide a^% open) right in front of him. But wait there's more....

About the time he decides to hand the ball to the Oakland D lineman, a receiver (it looks like Moulds) is rotating over the top with a step on his defender. A 15 YAC play if there ever was one. My point...

Despite all of the time in the world, the foot steps that Carr hears in his head prevented him from letting the play develop. That my friends is a broken NFL QB. Damaged goods.

The evidence is clear. You can blame the organization, coaching, O line, other players, Peyton Manning, the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause and Paul Bunyon if you want but facts are facts. The video tape doesn't lie.

[Footballz]

Should we start the David Carr - Joey Harrington comparisons now?
I think some of you that still talk about David Carr should just disappear, please. I understand it's the down time in the NFL right now, but you can find something ELSE to talk about. For example....the Round Rock Astros (hehe), the Rockets upcoming season, the NBA Draft, debate the use of a 4-6 defense vs. the use of a 4-4 defense in certain situations, comparing Amobi to Bryant Young, comparing Mario to Reggie White, comparing boxed mashed potatoes to the real thing, comparing Brandon Frye to Walter Jones....heck, anything else besides that David guy.

p.s. It's a David Carr discussion thread if you haven't noticed.



Lol...can't get enough of David! He's gone, dude.

[petedy]

They miss him so much that they can't think of anyone else.Secretly they have a man crush on Carr.They say all manner of hateful things about him but secretly they miss him.They don't realize he's not on the team any more.They should switch their man love to Matt Schaub and believe he will do no wrong.Then in a couple of years they can tear him a part too and the o-line will still suck.

[Exithios]

They miss him so much that they can't think of anyone else.Secretly they have a man crush on Carr.They say all manner of hateful things about him but secretly they miss him.They don't realize he's not on the team any more.They should switch their man love to Matt Schaub and believe he will do no wrong.Then in a couple of years they can tear him a part too and the o-line will still suck.
Signed,
Hulk75

[HydrOshocK]

They miss him so much that they can't think of anyone else.Secretly they have a man crush on Carr.They say all manner of hateful things about him but secretly they miss him.They don't realize he's not on the team any more.They should switch their man love to Matt Schaub and believe he will do no wrong.Then in a couple of years they can tear him a part too and the o-line will still suck.
nice try...Homer

[Zagen30]

They miss him so much that they can't think of anyone else.Secretly they have a man crush on Carr.They say all manner of hateful things about him but secretly they miss him.They don't realize he's not on the team any more.They should switch their man love to Matt Schaub and believe he will do no wrong.Then in a couple of years they can tear him a part too and the o-line will still suck.
nice try...Homer

Mmmmmm......Donuts......
Aaaaaaghghghghghaghaghaghaghaghaghah.......

[Footballz]

They miss him so much that they can't think of anyone else.Secretly they have a man crush on Carr.They say all manner of hateful things about him but secretly they miss him.They don't realize he's not on the team any more.They should switch their man love to Matt Schaub and believe he will do no wrong.Then in a couple of years they can tear him a part too and the o-line will still suck.

They must miss him. I see multiple threads about him. Why can't they let go? [*-)]

[Shawn E. Supergenius]

Interesting video. Clearly Carr had some issues during t those clips, but Rod Woodson said it best. When your team is ranked so low in the running game, you can't expect your QB to throw 45 times a game and win consistantly. The running game issues are all on the offensive line and blockers. We don't maul people or dictate a game very consistantly. We do that and we win games. Woodson also has something I believe in as well, he'd like to see what David can do outside of this environment where he has been looking more at the offensive line and concerned about its protectection than how the play is developing considering how many times he's been hit. With a new team, a new perspective and better players, it will be interesting to see what he can do.

Ahman Green will be more of an addition to this team than Schaub will because Green knows how to block really well. I still have no confidence in the offensive line because I saw it break down way too many times last year, but at least Green will give the pass blocking game a boost. We should have no excuses at the QB position because Schaub is a veteran of 3 years and has been in a WCO for more than that. If there are any issues it will be with the offensive line and Wide receivers, and wow, does that sound familiar.

[texanfreak]

All i can say after watching that video!
And i know you would have to agree!!
Is anyone and i mean anyone from the stadium,parking lot,or the bar down the road.
could of had a completed pass on that play.
now lie to yourself all you want to but the truth is on film.
If the texans went 6-10 with carr can you imagine how good we will be with
SIR SCHAUBIE

[Zagen30]

All i can say after watching that video!
And i know you would have to agree!!
Is anyone and i mean anyone from the stadium,parking lot,or the bar down the road.
could of had a completed pass on that play.
now lie to yourself all you want to but the truth is on film.
If the texans went 6-10 with carr can you imagine how good we will be with
SIR SCHAUBIE


I don't know, I probably couldn't have read that play, as I've never played QB. Plus I'm 5'8", so I wouldn't have seen those guys over the OL.
But any competent NFL QB could have completed a pass on that play.

[Pantherstang84]

They miss him so much that they can't think of anyone else.Secretly they have a man crush on Carr.They say all manner of hateful things about him but secretly they miss him.They don't realize he's not on the team any more.They should switch their man love to Matt Schaub and believe he will do no wrong.Then in a couple of years they can tear him a part too and the o-line will still suck.

They must miss him. I see multiple threads about him. Why can't they let go? [*-)]


I take this as a sign that the "it was whole organization's fault David was a failure" argument has run out of steam.

Like someone else asked, why can't you prove us wrong with facts? We would love to see the video clips proving us wrong.

[gsus8091]

I think Baldinger was a little to unforgiving of Carr, he failed to mention that Atlanta had one of the best running games and one of the most athletic o-lines in the game, plus he failed to mention that as bad as most think of the Atlanta WR's they are all better than whatever the Texans have with the exception of Johnson. Plus what was up with that goofy sword?
Anyway Rod Woodson put it in the best way, Carr needed to go to a different team because as we all saw last year Carr was gun shy, he'd been hit way to many times and that was cause for him to become scared with the ball. Carr will do much better in Carolina because he has Steve Smith who is an excellent short pass receiver, and a great RB duo along with a solid o-line when healthy. My take personally is that Carr was never going to be a franchise savior, Carr is more like J.P. Losman, a sort of QB who is only as good as his team, he's no Carson, Brady, or Manning. He's more like Eli Manning, J.P. Losman, etc. guys who need special players to be good. Obviously I'm a Carr fan, but I realized it was time for the Texans to move on and maybe just maybe Schaub is the guy. I certainly think he is but first thing first, run the **** ball, and the o-line has to be solid or we're looking for another QB in 2009.

[Grid]

hmm.. I didnt bother to read the last few pages of this thread...but... from the bits and pieces I did catch, I want to say a few things.

1) Carr was a very promising QB coming out of college.. it is possible he may have never developed into an NFL superstar..but one thing you can say for sure is that it was impossible for him to reach his full potential in Houston, under Capers. Our original coaching staff ruined Carr.

2) Despite the fact that WE ruined him.. that doesnt mean that we are accountable for him and have to keep him, pay him, and play him. We acknowledged that he is damaged goods..and we replaced him. At the end of the day, regardless of who is responsible for Carr's poor development, we need to make the moves that are best for this team. Getting rid of Carr was best for this team.

3) This is a David Carr thread.. so get dont get all "know-it-all"y because people are posting about Carr. Despite the fact that this is a Carr thread.. you also have to understand that he was our first player ever drafted, and our starting QB for the first 5 years. Chances are you will be able to find at least one David Carr thread on this forum every day until he retires from the NFL. It isnt because we miss him, or are hung up on him.. its just that he was the face of our franchise from its inception.. so he has a place in our history.

4) Schaub is gonna show everyone just how much Carr was hurting this offense. Its gonna be beautiful..and I cant wait to start saying "ha-ha I told you so!" to all the people in the NFL community who said we were wrong to get rid of such a talented QB.

[edo783]

hmm.. I didnt bother to read the last few pages of this thread...but... from the bits and pieces I did catch, I want to say a few things.

1) Carr was a very promising QB coming out of college.. it is possible he may have never developed into an NFL superstar..but one thing you can say for sure is that it was impossible for him to reach his full potential in Houston, under Capers. Our original coaching staff ruined Carr.

2) Despite the fact that WE ruined him.. that doesnt mean that we are accountable for him and have to keep him, pay him, and play him. We acknowledged that he is damaged goods..and we replaced him. At the end of the day, regardless of who is responsible for Carr's poor development, we need to make the moves that are best for this team. Getting rid of Carr was best for this team.

3) This is a David Carr thread.. so get dont get all "know-it-all"y because people are posting about Carr. Despite the fact that this is a Carr thread.. you also have to understand that he was our first player ever drafted, and our starting QB for the first 5 years. Chances are you will be able to find at least one David Carr thread on this forum every day until he retires from the NFL. It isnt because we miss him, or are hung up on him.. its just that he was the face of our franchise from its inception.. so he has a place in our history.

4) Schaub is gonna show everyone just how much Carr was hurting this offense. Its gonna be beautiful..and I cant wait to start saying "ha-ha I told you so!" to all the people in the NFL community who said we were wrong to get rid of such a talented QB.


Very good post Grid and I fully agree. I think we will get MUCH better QB play this year and because of that, the Offense will be much beter. IMO, the even bigger thing is the Ahman Green pick up. The guy can run (still, I think), catch and probably even more important for us, he blocks very well. DD was about as bad at blocking as it gets, so Green will be a big " Up" in that department and I expect that it is going to pay out big time.