Texans Trade Bait: DL?

[Xman]

First, let me say to get value you have to give value. For a player to have trade value, he needs to be worth something to someone.
Players that fit the bill, as in having value AND the team having them being willing to deal them: former high draft picks that have disappointed, players formerly recognized as talented, and obviously talented players that are either on the bench or forced to play out of position because they are behind an even better player.
How this applies to us:
1) High draft picks that have disappointed: We have two guys that were high picks that have disappointed us (due to system/talent/intensity) that may still bring reasonable value due to their previously high ranking in the draft - Travis Johnson and Babin .
2) Players formerly recognized as talented: We have only one that we didn't sign as a free agent: Mathis. But, the chance on him rebounding may be higher than any value we could get for him, if any.
3) Talented players playing out of position or on bench because behind other talented players: We only have one very talented player that fits this category - Weaver. He is best suited to play LDE - and he is a really good LDE in either a 4-3 or a 3-4. But, that is Mario's position on this team. Weaver doesn't provide the pass rush we need out of a RDE and is not really a DT. Still, he is a quality player, and has significant value.
Sadly, we really don't have much else (anything I see) that we could deal for value without creating a hole for us (I realize dealing Weaver creates a hole at DT/RDE but the dropoff would be much less than if he was playing LDE).
So - who else has this problem or really needs what we could deal - thus creating a scenario where a trade could happen? I am doing this on the fly so I only have a few - but it would be interesting to get other opinions.
Arizona: They have 2 players that jump out. OLB Dansby, who was on the bench for much of last year after returning from injury and having his spot taken. And, WR BJohnson, a former first round pick that iis their 3rd WR behind Boldin and Fitz. Not sure if they were looking for RDE or LDE, but if it s LDE then this seems like a good choice.
Cincy, Cleveland, Miami and a few others might part with value to get DL help (it is ironic that our trade bait is DL when it is still not performing but the talent may just be out of position).
Anyway, anyone else see any other teams with talent stacked (or playing out of position) or former high draft picks that are underperforming that might be worth dealing with. Or, does anyone see a team desperate enought to give up high value for what we have to offer (a good LDE Weaver, an under performing DT that might blossom as a NT in a 3-4 TJ, a RDE in a 3-4 Babin, an iffy returner that might bounce back Mathis).

[Zagen30]

FYI, the current depth chart has Weaver starting at LDE, and Mario starting at RDE. And I've heard Kubiak say that Mario is going to stay at RDE for the whole season. Looks like we'll be keeping Weaver.

[keyser]

I think that's a good analysis - Babin, TJ, and Mathis are the only players I think we could trade and get any value for. I don't think we'd trade Weaver. I believe he's still got $9.2 million of signing bonus to account for. That amounts to a lot of dead money, and I don't think that we'd be willing to take that kind of hit. Babin's remaining amount is less than $2 million, TJ's is about $5 million.

[Whiskeyrbl]

The only players that might draw any interest outside of Weaver( who probably isn't going anywhere )would be Mathis or TJ. The Bucs might take intrest in TJ, Sapp won't be around much longer . If Mathis is healthy, I would shop him. That would open the spot for Jacoby Jones as a DUAL threat KR/WR, what Kubes wants Mathis to be. Mathis could draw a lot of takers.

[texans83]

The only players that might draw any interest outside of Weaver( who probably isn't going anywhere )would be Mathis or TJ. The Bucs might take intrest in TJ, Sapp won't be around much longer . If Mathis is healthy, I would shop him. That would open the spot for Jacoby Jones as a DUAL threat KR/WR, what Kubes wants Mathis to be. Mathis could draw a lot of takers.
I thought Sapp Played for the Raiders for like the past couple of years.

[Zagen30]

The only players that might draw any interest outside of Weaver( who probably isn't going anywhere )would be Mathis or TJ. The Bucs might take intrest in TJ, Sapp won't be around much longer . If Mathis is healthy, I would shop him. That would open the spot for Jacoby Jones as a DUAL threat KR/WR, what Kubes wants Mathis to be. Mathis could draw a lot of takers.
I thought Sapp Played for the Raiders for like the past couple of years.

You are correct.

[TK_Gamer]

My question would be, why? trade people to get value? mathis and TJ are on the bubble to even MAKE the team. if they do make the team it means we have 2 very talented, previously underperforming athletes that improve the team, so why trade them, if they dont make the team, noone will give us anything worth taking anyway so just release them and move on. Babin is the only other person listed, and happens to be our only pass rushing DE besides Mario, so why trade him? his cap is also to big to release till next year, so we will most likely be keeping him too. I honestly don't see a trade of any kind in our immediate future. thats just my oppinion.

[jdm12]

I heard something about Babin basically being untradable on SR610. It had something to do with his contract. He is being paid a lot of money and not producing. No other team is going to want to absorb that contract. If that is indeed true, then I am assuming he has not been cut because of the cap hit we will take.
I heard this sometime last season, so if someone has some more concrete information to go along with, or to debunk these statements feel free to correct me.
J

[outofhnd]

Yea Babin is making first round money which his production has not shown he is worth that money.
However, I doubt anyone is going to trade for anybody a week before june 1st cuts because there will be lots of salary cap hits on the june 1st scrap heap..
Thats what Miami is waiting for with Trent Green, I mean why give things away when you might get them for a cheaper price if you just wait.

[infantrycak]

I heard something about Babin basically being untradable on SR610.



The guys on 610 know diddly about the cap. Babin is signed thru 2009. His total unprorated signing bonus at this point is $2.1 mil. His base salary is 735k. Not that I think a trade is likely but those are very easy numbers to deal with. Trading Babin would result in the Texans losing just an extra 700k on this year's cap. The team trading for himi would only be taking on his salaries which are not much above league minimum. Weaver as mentioned above is a guy who isn't getting traded due to the huge dead space it would create.

[Keyfro]

i think some of ya'll are over valuing the guys you want to trade...i don't know of any team that would be willing to give up a solid receiver or safety or defensive end for jason babin or jerome mathis...those are the only two players on this roster that you could see move...but if we trade babin who are we going to have backing up williams and weaver beside kalu...nobody
no one is going to want mathis because it's unlikely that his hamstrings are ever going to heal properly so that he can continue his career...so we don't have anyone on this roster with any trade value what-so-ever...we're not gonna be able to bring any quality veterans via trade this year
better start looking towards the waiver wire to find some hidden gems

[jdm12]

I heard something about Babin basically being untradable on SR610.



The guys on 610 know diddly about the cap. Babin is signed thru 2009. His total unprorated signing bonus at this point is $2.1 mil. His base salary is 735k. Not that I think a trade is likely but those are very easy numbers to deal with. Trading Babin would result in the Texans losing just an extra 700k on this year's cap. The team trading for himi would only be taking on his salaries which are not much above league minimum. Weaver as mentioned above is a guy who isn't getting traded due to the huge dead space it would create.


Thanks for the correction!!!

J

[CloakNNNDagger]

My question would be, why? trade people to get value? mathis and TJ are on the bubble to even MAKE the team. if they do make the team it means we have 2 very talented, previously underperforming athletes that improve the team, so why trade them, if they dont make the team, noone will give us anything worth taking anyway so just release them and move on. Babin is the only other person listed, and happens to be our only pass rushing DE besides Mario, so why trade him? his cap is also to big to release till next year, so we will most likely be keeping him too. I honestly don't see a trade of any kind in our immediate future. thats just my oppinion.

Here, here..........Logic prevails.

[Vambo]

I see Babin going for most of the reasons listed in most of postings. He is somebody that is likely to get packaged in a deal due to his totally unknown value other than his draft pick status. He was "out of position" prior to Kubiak's arrival and I assume his value to the Texans my be determined by the fact we are moving on to other players by drafting in his position.
Overall, we have plenty of trade bait.... when you consider that we have young, unproven talent in Babin and TJ.

[TiredofSuffering]

There is ZERO chance we work out a trade of ANY magnitude.

There isn't a player on our roster who can't be duplicated by signing a free agent after the second round of cuts.

Why would anyone give us something for Jason Babin with his monster contract when they can wait til the cuts come and sign somebody like Rice? Why would you trade for Mathis, who is a kick returner and mayyyyybbbeee a #3 WR when you can sign Antonio Bryant and have a solid #2 WR and not have to give up anything, or sign a UFA kick returner after the cuts?

Weaver hasn't produced enough to get what he's possibly worth (assuming he gets it going)

We don't have any trade bait. What little we have (maybe Babin or Johnson) would cost a team too much to sign, or only garner a very low (6th or so) draft pick.

We need to stick with who we've got, possibly sign somebody who is released, draft smart and build that way.

[rex king]

The Texans are in a similar position to the Atros - their underperforming players are worth more to them than to other teams.

[rush2112mn]

I dont think you will see anybody dropped or traded until defensive coaches have made up there minds and I dont think that will happen until mandatory cuts. Especially on the defensive line where you have a new coach brought in this year.