Ron Dayne? Lord Why Us?!!

[mobilepreacher]

Okay, I want to give respect to men that have devoted their life to football, but I am beginning to loose confidence in Coach Kubiak in this one small area. Does anyone else see what I and all my friends see with Ron Dayne on film? He is a horrible pass blocker, runs pathetic pass patterns, when he goes in motion out of the backfield, linebackers and corners laugh so hard they pee their pants, and he has zero explosiveness. He is good at falling forward for two yards pretty consistently, but if you watch this guy on film he is so far inferior to Samkon Gado.... and we cut Wally Lundy to keep this overweight first round has been? I live in New York now, and Giants fans tell me all the time how glad they are that Ron "no gain" Dayne is gone. Somebody help me, tell me why this guy is on our team, and why Gado (an explosive back who never misses a pass blocking assignment or a blitzing linebacker) and Lundy are considered beneath this loser?

[Grid]

Dayne gets yards. Cant really say any more than that.

[Austrian]

Lol, he's the Dayne-train.

[aj.]

First, in your opinion he's a loser, not a looser. It always amazes me how that word gives people so much trouble. Maybe it's the 'ooo' sound. Save the grammar police comments btw.

Second, in his last 4 games, Dayne averaged over 107 yards per game (4.8 per carry avg) and 5 TDs. Surely you must have seen that during your film study. He has averaged 4.3 yards per carry since he left NY. He never gained more than 3.8 while he was there. Tell your friends the problem was with NY.

Third, if you watch 'film' as you claim, you saw how Lundy had difficulty in the power/counter stuff. He runs light and is more suited for the inside/outside zone that the Texans ran more of last year and less of this year. Lundy is a marginal NFL back and the fact that he started Week 1 for the Texans in 2006 is more of a testimony of how bad the Texans RB situation was than how good Lundy is/was.

As far as I know, Lundy hasn't been picked up by any team so that's kind of a sign too.

[Austrian]

Basically the running game ramped up after the acquisition of Vonta Leach and McKinney starting at center.

[Marcus]

The Indianapolis Colts . . . you know, the team that happens to be the World Champions, the last time they lost a football game . . .

. . . was because Ron Dayne was running the ball down their throats.

Like aj said, the problem was NY, not Ron Dayne.

[SAMURAITEXAN]

I agree with AJ and Marcus

[SMC-22]

Ron Dayne was a bowling ball coming out of college,but I think his adaptation to the NFL with his running style didn't work.The next level was too skilled,too large,but the older he got I think that he realized he doesn't need to run everyone over.I used to be the(big-back)when I went to school

[rockabilly]

Welcome to the boards Wali Lundy!

[TexasJedi]

He's not a world beater, but the Texans don't beat the Raiders or Colts last season without him.

[1337texansfan]

depends really. dayne hasn't had his wheels ran off in his career. he is a big back that has value for situations. him and leach equal 500 lbs of backfield. once him and leach hit the hole, look out. dayne offers a bruising change of pace to our running game.

[mobilepreacher]

First, in your opinion he's a loser, not a looser. It always amazes me how that word gives people so much trouble. Maybe it's the 'ooo' sound. Save the grammar police comments btw.

Second, in his last 4 games, Dayne averaged over 107 yards per game (4.8 per carry avg) and 5 TDs. Surely you must have seen that during your film study. He has averaged 4.3 yards per carry since he left NY. He never gained more than 3.8 while he was there. Tell your friends the problem was with NY.

Third, if you watch 'film' as you claim, you saw how Lundy had difficulty in the power/counter stuff. He runs light and is more suited for the inside/outside zone that the Texans ran more of last year and less of this year. Lundy is a marginal NFL back and the fact that he started Week 1 for the Texans in 2006 is more of a testimony of how bad the Texans RB situation was than how good Lundy is/was.

As far as I know, Lundy hasn't been picked up by any team so that's kind of a sign too.

To clarify, I am Gado fan. I think he is twice the back Dayne is. Dayne might be able to run the ball here and there, but he is awful in every other category, and if you really understood football you would know that.

[DeclanJr]

To clarify, I am Gado fan. I think he is twice the back Dayne is. Dayne might be able to run the ball here and there, but he is awful in every other category, and if you really understood football you would know that.

Totally agree with you, as I am a Gado fan as well. I think AJ is just towing the company line here. The guy has like 22yds on 11 carries or something today. I don't know whether it is the O-Line or Dayne, but he gets little to no yardage every carry.

[ChrisFM]

people were saying?

[Marcus]

Totally agree with you, as I am a Gado fan as well. I think AJ is just towing the company line here. The guy has like 22yds on 11 carries or something today. I don't know whether it is the O-Line or Dayne, but he gets little to no yardage every carry.

AJ towing the company line??

Now, that has got to be the funniest thing I've heard all day. Proves both of you have absolutely no idea what the **** you're talking about.

Towing the company line . . . . :rolleyes:

[FirstTexansFan]

Okay, I want to give respect to men that have devoted their life to football, but I am beginning to loose confidence in Coach Kubiak in this one small area. Does anyone else see what I and all my friends see with Ron Dayne on film? He is a horrible pass blocker, runs pathetic pass patterns, when he goes in motion out of the backfield, linebackers and corners laugh so hard they pee their pants, and he has zero explosiveness. He is good at falling forward for two yards pretty consistently, but if you watch this guy on film he is so far inferior to Samkon Gado.... and we cut Wally Lundy to keep this overweight first round has been? I live in New York now, and Giants fans tell me all the time how glad they are that Ron "no gain" Dayne is gone. Somebody help me, tell me why this guy is on our team, and why Gado (an explosive back who never misses a pass blocking assignment or a blitzing linebacker) and Lundy are considered beneath this looser?


You're not mobile enough for me...:)

[mobilepreacher]

AJ towing the company line??

Now, that has got to be the funniest thing I've heard all day. Proves both of you have absolutely no idea what the **** you're talking about.

Towing the company line . . . . :rolleyes:


The bottom line here, is that other than his fat *** falling foward when he runs through a gaping hole, Dayne is a disaster in all the other areas that an NFL back needs to be effective in. Come on,... any of you want to step up and say that you think Dayne is a great pass blocker, or runs great patterns.. or has explosiveness? Of course not. He reminds me of Franco Harris in his last season. 1.5 yards and a cloud of fat *** dust. Gado on the other hand is 4.5 speed, 220 plus, and he never.... never... ever... misses a blitzer in pass protection. And when he goes in motion, its a mismatch on a linebacker. When Dayne goes in motion, its like stand up comedy to a linebacker.

[Sprtsfanatic]

The bottom line here, is that other than his fat *** falling foward when he runs through a gaping hole, Dayne is a disaster in all the other areas that an NFL back needs to be effective in. Come on,... any of you want to step up and say that you think Dayne is a great pass blocker, or runs great patterns.. or has explosiveness? Of course not. He reminds me of Franco Harris in his last season. 1.5 yards and a cloud of fat *** dust. Gado on the other hand is 4.5 speed, 220 plus, and he never.... never... ever... misses a blitzer in pass protection. And when he goes in motion, its a mismatch on a linebacker. When Dayne goes in motion, its like stand up comedy to a linebacker.

OK gado, just be glad the teams still sees something in you and that your still on the squad....cause if it were up to the fans of the Houston Texans your fat *** wouldnt be here either...

[Just Earl]

Ron Dayne gets 4 yards and does not fumble .

[Pantherstang84]

The bottom line here, is that other than his fat *** falling foward when he runs through a gaping hole, Dayne is a disaster in all the other areas that an NFL back needs to be effective in. Come on,... any of you want to step up and say that you think Dayne is a great pass blocker, or runs great patterns.. or has explosiveness? Of course not. He reminds me of Franco Harris in his last season. 1.5 yards and a cloud of fat *** dust. Gado on the other hand is 4.5 speed, 220 plus, and he never.... never... ever... misses a blitzer in pass protection. And when he goes in motion, its a mismatch on a linebacker. When Dayne goes in motion, its like stand up comedy to a linebacker.


Well. His fat *** pounded the rock right at the Chiefs for a 10:26 time of possession drive today. Next criticism......

[HydrOshocK]

Of all of the things to discuss after a motivating win and you pick the 2nd string RB?

[headsplint]

Of all of the things to discuss after a motivating win and you pick the 2nd string RB?


Now that's funny...and true.

[Battle-Red]

To impersonate Bill Parcells for a minute " Big is big and fast is fast, but at end of the game when every body is worn out and hurting big is still big."

[Yosarian]

Battle Red hit the nail on the head with that comment. Dayne punishes defenses. It hurts to tackle him. We use him to wear out the defense and spell Green.

Great Dayne is going to help us in certain games.


I like Gado too. He also brings in power and some flash. Diversity in our backfield is a good thing.

I have to disagree with your comments on him. I do agree that he needs to improve his pass protection blocking but i believe that is ancient history. This team is completely refocused.

I actually also liked Lundy and was sorry to lose him. I though he gave us another bit of back diversity but a decision had to be made.

[BornOrange]

I'm not a huge Dayne fan, but I guarantee the Giants would love to have him right now after losing Brandon Jacobs.

[Element1337]

Battle Red hit the nail on the head with that comment. Dayne punishes defenses. It hurts to tackle him. We use him to wear out the defense and spell Green.

Great Dayne is going to help us in certain games.


The colts game is going to be the big game where if we can keep the ball and wear the defense out we have a fighting chance. And if Mario can advance from today's performance and the rest of the D we are going to have a very nice win.

Dayne will beat the **** out of the D line and then Ahman can get long runs.

[SuperstarII]

Okay, I want to give respect to men that have devoted their life to football, but I am beginning to loose confidence in Coach Kubiak in this one small area. Does anyone else see what I and all my friends see with Ron Dayne on film? He is a horrible pass blocker, runs pathetic pass patterns, when he goes in motion out of the backfield, linebackers and corners laugh so hard they pee their pants, and he has zero explosiveness. He is good at falling forward for two yards pretty consistently, but if you watch this guy on film he is so far inferior to Samkon Gado.... and we cut Wally Lundy to keep this overweight first round has been? I live in New York now, and Giants fans tell me all the time how glad they are that Ron "no gain" Dayne is gone. Somebody help me, tell me why this guy is on our team, and why Gado (an explosive back who never misses a pass blocking assignment or a blitzing linebacker) and Lundy are considered beneath this looser?

One thing I have such disdain towards Dayne is that he runs up the middle and its usually when the offense has a small hole opened up. But if dayne opened his eyes he would see a bigger whole opened up and could run for more yardage. Plus every time he does run up the middle with such a small hole opened up I am afraid one of our offensive players will get a season ending injury like Spencer did.

[sleepwalker]

The Dayne-Train !!! Thank god we won, not too many things you can complain about here. I guess a shot a Dayne makes you feel better.

You obviously didnt watch the Colts game xmas eve. We all have our opinions. I am just glad we won.

[phan1]

I think he's a good change-up and situational back. And what he did last year when he was healthy was pretty awsome. But I definitley do think he needs to lose some weight. Is it me or does this guy have a pretty big gut on him? He would be so much better if he lost 10 or 15 pounds.

[Charlatan]

dayne is ok, its not like hes our feature back.

[Vinny]

To clarify, I am Gado fan. I think he is twice the back Dayne is. Dayne might be able to run the ball here and there, but he is awful in every other category, and if you really understood football you would know that.frankly, you are the only person who loses (not looses) your credibility when you say dumb stuff like this. Most fans around here know that aj is one of the more credible observers of the Texans fan base we have since he has given credible NFL observation for 5-6 years....you? You throw away your credibility casually and loosely (not losely) in a couple of sentences.

[aj.]

To clarify, I am Gado fan. I think he is twice the back Dayne is. Dayne might be able to run the ball here and there, but he is awful in every other category, and if you really understood football you would know that.

I offered up an answer to your question "why Dayne?"

I also gave you my opinion on one of the reasons why I think Lundy isn't here any more.

The best you can do is respond with weak smack.

Dayne had a very good 4 game stretch in December. Does that mean I'm some huge Dayne fan? No. It's "why Dayne?"

In fact, if you knew me you would know that I'm not all that high on Dayne or Gado.

I have every Texans game on file so how about providing some examples of Dayne's "horrible pass blocking," "pathetic patterns," and LBs and CBs "peeing in their pants" so I can see exactly what you are referring to (game, quarter and time on the clock would be helpful). I'm sure there are examples.

I've always been intrigued by fans who watch the games on TV who know exactly what the pass routes and blocking assignments are without knowing the playcall or having a copy of the playbook.

Gado's had his troubles too and if Sherman wasn't here, neither would he. It's not that difficult to be twice the back as Ron Dayne btw.

[outofhnd]

I think we draft our answer for a future RB with our pick in this years draft.

[sringrose]

It's not that difficult to be twice the back as Ron Dayne btw.

No, but it takes an AWFUL lot of eating. Ok, enough joking around. Dayne is just the big back to now complement Green. He was brought in to fill the void by Davis, I mean Williams, last year. He proved his worth in my mind with solid performances when it mattered. Now, he has a chance to reap the reward for that, and I think that is fair and good. He didn't exactly disappoint either.

[HOU-TEX]

Okay, I want to give respect to men that have devoted their life to football, but I am beginning to loose confidence in Coach Kubiak in this one small area. Does anyone else see what I and all my friends see with Ron Dayne on film? He is a horrible pass blocker, runs pathetic pass patterns, when he goes in motion out of the backfield, linebackers and corners laugh so hard they pee their pants, and he has zero explosiveness. He is good at falling forward for two yards pretty consistently, but if you watch this guy on film he is so far inferior to Samkon Gado.... and we cut Wally Lundy to keep this overweight first round has been? I live in New York now, and Giants fans tell me all the time how glad they are that Ron "no gain" Dayne is gone. Somebody help me, tell me why this guy is on our team, and why Gado (an explosive back who never misses a pass blocking assignment or a blitzing linebacker) and Lundy are considered beneath this looser?

Other than AG, our RB's are mediocre at best. That includes your boy Gado.

[outofhnd]

YOu know who would complete our rushing attack?

Tony Hollings..... ;)


Everyone needs comic relief.

[Trutexanfan]

Everyone wants to down Dayne (well not everyone!!), But my issue is when Matt threw the interception trying to throw an TD. Now am I right the left side was at least open for a couple of Yards. I know everyone keeps saying at least he isnt like Carr and looking to run he wants to find a way to make a play well he gave the Chiefs a way to make a play. I know this is only His 3rd real game to start, I just hope that he makes adjustments and watches the film on that play. I think that the offence did ok but I am looking for more.

[DeclanJr]

Everyone wants to down Dayne (well not everyone!!), But my issue is when Matt threw the interception trying to throw an TD. Now am I right the left side was at least open for a couple of Yards. I know everyone keeps saying at least he isnt like Carr and looking to run he wants to find a way to make a play well he gave the Chiefs a way to make a play. I know this is only His 3rd real game to start, I just hope that he makes adjustments and watches the film on that play. I think that the offence did ok but I am looking for more.

On that play, I thought had he thrown it a little deeper in the end zone it would have been a TD. That's just how it looked on TV. I wasn't at the game.

[outofhnd]

in all honesty schaub probably should have just chunked it away, I think he just got over zealous and took the chance. I noticed on that same play the next time we ran it he was perfectly content to throw the pass to the sidelines.

[Trutexanfan]

On that play, I thought had he thrown it a little deeper in the end zone it would have been a TD. That's just how it looked on TV. I wasn't at the game.

I wasnt there either I was unfortunitly haveing nightmares of Carr making a stupid Throw, Well he would have taken the Sack. If we do not improve on Offence we could be in trouble but I still have Faith!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Yosarian]

I was there. He could have (it appeared) ran for the first down untouched and gotten out of bounds.

However..that is Andre Johnson in the endzone. Andre will get that jump ball most of the time. Shuab didn't gert enough air under the ball much like the long pass to Owen that could have gone for another td. A little more air and it might have been a TD but yes it was a poor decision and a bad pass. You don't want to take chances in a close game when you are in field goal range.

But if you noticed...Shuab came right back with a 70+ yard bomb to AJ the very next possession. That's what i call making up for the mistake. Shaub might have had one or two mistakes but this is the first game. He handled it well coming right back. A lot of teams have not looked good at all in their first outing. I thought overall Matt managed the game....held onto the ball (except that one pass) and got us out of there with a Victory!

There was one time he was bashed and looked like he was going to lose the ball and he reshudffled his arms and double clutched the ball going down making sure he didn't fumble. His priority was the ball...not himself. That's what i like to see. Ball control is going to be crucial if we are to have a blow out season.

[gsbtxn]

I was there. He could have (it appeared) ran for the first down untouched and gotten out of bounds.

However..that is Andre Johnson in the endzone. Andre will get that jump ball most of the time. Shuab didn't gert enough air under the ball much like the long pass to Owen that could have gone for another td. A little more air and it might have been a TD but yes it was a poor decision and a bad pass. You don't want to take chances in a close game when you are in field goal range.

But if you noticed...Shuab came right back with a 70+ yard bomb to AJ the very next possession. That's what i call making up for the mistake. Shaub might have had one or two mistakes but this is the first game. He handled it well coming right back. A lot of teams have not looked good at all in their first outing. I thought overall Matt managed the game....held onto the ball (except that one pass) and got us out of there with a Victory!

There was one time he was bashed and looked like he was going to lose the ball and he reshudffled his arms and double clutched the ball going down making sure he didn't fumble. His priority was the ball...not himself. That's what i like to see. Ball control is going to be crucial if we are to have a blow out season.

Not to nitpick, but that long pass that got defensed was to Kevin Walter.

[mobilepreacher]

OK gado, just be glad the teams still sees something in you and that your still on the squad....cause if it were up to the fans of the Houston Texans your fat *** wouldnt be here either...

Did any of you people see what Gado did on a horrible Packer Team his rookie year when this same Ahman Green went down with an injury? How about 700 yards in 5 games, with 8 touchdowns, and a 4.6 yard average, and a long run of 87 yards against the Lions. He has plenty of speed. There is a reason Coach Sherman wanted this team to make the trade for Gado. He is explosive and powerful, and just as fast as Green, and those my friends, are the facts.

[mobilepreacher]

Ron Dayne gets 4 yards and does not fumble .

33 yards on 13 carries is not 4 yards per carry. In fact it is quite inept

[doodyps]

I'm fine with Dayne and Gado, and for that matter Lundy. I think Dayne has proven to all Texans fans that he can help carry the load. I think he is a good fit for us. That said, I would really like to see more of Gado. And with another saftey going down, Dayne might prove to be somewhat tradeable. Having shown the league that he can run the ball when healthy, behind what the league considered the worlds worst oline, he could have some value to teams like Greenbay, NYG, maybe backing up the Edge in Arizona. Maybe he could help bring in a servicale Saftey for us (although I wouldnt have been bothered trading that 6th round pick for KC's Wesley). I also wouldnt mind having SD's Keil, legal issues or not at this point.

[DVIEL82]

My only beef with Dayne is that he doesn't try to gain yards, he hits the pile and hopes to break a couple of tackles and hope for the best. That isn't the best philosophy to have as a running back.:confused:

[Sprtsfanatic]

Did any of you people see what Gado did on a horrible Packer Team his rookie year when this same Ahman Green went down with an injury? How about 700 yards in 5 games, with 8 touchdowns, and a 4.6 yard average, and a long run of 87 yards against the Lions. He has plenty of speed. There is a reason Coach Sherman wanted this team to make the trade for Gado. He is explosive and powerful, and just as fast as Green, and those my friends, are the facts.

and the best you got is against the lions a few years ago....are you kidding me...the lions havent had a good defense what....a decade???

[mobilepreacher]

and the best you got is against the lions a few years ago....are you kidding me...the lions havent had a good defense what....a decade???

He played in several games and put up great numbers, including a great game against what might be the best run defense the last several years in Pittsburgh, and also against Chicago, and Atlanta (they had a good D that year). He put up numbers against every opponent. My point in referencing the Detroit game was to show that he has breakaway speed. Dayne couldnt run 87 yards without passing out or throwing up.

[mobilepreacher]

I have every Texans game on file so how about providing some examples of Dayne's "horrible pass blocking," "pathetic patterns," and LBs and CBs "peeing in their pants" so I can see exactly what you are referring to (game, quarter and time on the clock would be helpful). I'm sure there are examples.
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How about every series he played in this preseason and most of the time he was in last year. His work ethic, except when trying to fall foward, is pathetic. I may not have every game film but after 15 years of coaching high school football, I have learned a little bit about how to watch football, and there is no question, Dayne does not do the little things well at all. I can recall at least three plays where Matt S. was hurried into bad throws because Dayne couldnt pick up a blitzer. Even in the "big things", he is just below average at best. What did he have this week? 33 yards on 13 carries?

[aj.]

I can recall at least three plays where Matt S. was hurried into bad throws because Dayne couldnt pick up a blitzer.

Since you have some specific plays in mind, which ones were they, and in what game(s)? I'd like to see what you're talking about.

His work ethic, except when trying to fall foward, is pathetic.

What exactly do you mean by "work ethic?"

To me, "work ethic" relates to a player's level of dedication on the practice field, in the meeting rooms, and in the weight room. I might be wrong but I'm guessing you don't have that level of insight - unless you're Chick Harris' brother in law or something.

[Jwwillis1]

How about every series he played in this preseason and most of the time he was in last year. His work ethic, except when trying to fall foward, is pathetic. I may not have every game film but after 15 years of coaching high school football, I have learned a little bit about how to watch football, and there is no question, Dayne does not do the little things well at all. I can recall at least three plays where Matt S. was hurried into bad throws because Dayne couldnt pick up a blitzer. Even in the "big things", he is just below average at best. What did he have this week? 33 yards on 13 carries?

Ok OK I figured it out..this is Lundy isn't it? Ha! Dude get over it. Stay healthy and you may get another shot in the NFL. These phantom posts are not going to help and frankly I'm a little worried about you.

[Jim Nayzium]

I will admit I am a true Gado-Fan. I am biased at best...bull-goose-looney at worst. But I would like to try and provide some credible information to this spirited debate over Ron Dayne.

I watched every Packer Game Gado Played in two years ago.

He had more yards vs Pitt than LT -- and at that point in the season was the leading rusher vs the Steelers....it was on 26 carries for 63 yards. Yes a very bad average...but a very physical pounding effort. Helped control the clock and lead a comeback that Favre squandered.

He had 97 yards vs Chicago, but had a 25 yard run nullified by a WR holding that was a cheap shot. Another very physical effort.

Worth Noting that 4 starting safeties, Chicago - Detroit - Philly's Dawkins - and Atlanta's safeties all had to leave the game for more than a quarter after squaring up and hitting Gado...He is a physical player and gets much stronger in the later parts of the game.

His conditioning is impeccable and probably tops in the league according to the GM at Houston. This was the main reason cited by Kubiak for keeping him over Dayne.

He was the NFC Offensive Rookie of the Month in November of 2005.
Atlanta - 110 yards, 3 TD's
Philly - 117 yards, 1 TD
Chicago - 75 yards 1 TD
Pittsburgh - 63 yards 1 TD

6 Rushing TD's is All-Time Packer Rookie Record.


His long run vs Detroit was not 87 yards it was 64 yards, but he did outrun McQuirters, and it was quite impressive.

He had an explosive TD vs Philly where he juked Dawkins which Chris Berman analyzed and called him, Samkon, "in Gado We trust" for the first time.

Both of these long runs can be viewed at the NFL.com archive videos and are worth watching.

Here is the bottom line in the Ron Dayne argument...and really the only valid point worth debating...


WHAT exactly is Ron Dayne doing that would not be either -- exactly the same result with Gado -- OR --- better.

AND what would Gado be doing that Dayne would produce the same as...??

I think Gado is actually more physical than Dayne and harder on smaller players to tackle. Dayne is huge yes...but tackling a D-Linemen doesn't have to be punishing...

Check out Gado's shoulder pad level and his thighs when LB's hit him. He punishes people.

Another thing worth noting is Gado is a glider. His running mannerism makes him look slow. I remember a long run he had last year around right end...vs Buffalo -- I was yelling at the screen --- RUN RUN...but what was actually happening was he was outrunning the onside cornerback to the onside boundary...so obviously he was running...he just glides and appears effortless....

Sherman actually mentioned this in interviews in GB. About how he looks slower. I bet if you asked the DB's at Houston who the fastest RB is they would tell you Gado.

I am not saying he should play over Green...I am just saying, every time Dayne runs a counter or an Iso and there is a crease there for him to get four yards untouched...and then he makes six yards....I find myself thinking....wow -- Gado may have gotten more.

I never think after Gado's runs, 'wow -- Dayne may have gotten more...' AND that is the point worth debating...

I think the 'company-line' comment is actually not that far off...

They have 800K in signing bonus to Dayne last year...They are going to let him play his way out of the job.

My bold prediction is this ---

The week that Green cannot dress out...and you know there will be at least one or two....Dayne starts...lacklusterly...and Gado Finishes strong...Takes over starting job for three weeks and finshes year strong as Greens solid backup....Maybe with 475 yards or so.

Then Sherman becomes the head coach somewhere else....makes move for Gado...and it will be a feel good story worth reading about.

PS --- Please stop referencing the INDY game last year....Hardly any starters where in the game and Dayne's game while impressive, was tiresome to watch. Longest carry was 9 yards. Indy had the worst rush defense in the league up to that point, and we were playing against their backups. I say again, if Gado would have played that week instead he would have at least what Dayne had if not more.

[aj.]

PS --- Please stop referencing the INDY game last year....Hardly any starters where in the game and Dayne's game while impressive, was tiresome to watch. Longest carry was 9 yards. .

Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

Indy played their starters the entire game. They were playing for home field advantage position behind SD.

Dayne's longest run was 18 yards.

Don't let your Dayne hate/Gado love blind you. I may come across like I'm defending Dayne but as I said before, neither of those guys excite me a whole lot, except that I guess every team needs a D-9 to move a pile now and then.

http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/29091/HST_Gamebook.pdf

[outofhnd]

I think he is referring to the absence of Simon, and sanders.

[aj.]

I think he is referring to the absence of Simon, and sanders.

He said "hardly any starters were in the game."

Simon didn't start a game for the Colts in '06 and Sanders missed most of the season with a bum knee.

Brock, Booger, Bethea, and Jackson all played that entire game. As did Freeney, Mathis, et al.

[outofhnd]

Yes but when sanders came back in the playoffs their run D became instantly better because sanders throws his body around. I can say we may not have had as much success running as we did with sanders in there, but a win is a win our defense limited peytons success. our offense limited his chances.

[Jim Nayzium]

I would like to be one poster that admits when he is wrong ----

As for the 9 yard comment, I am just plainly mistaken. I remembered looking last year at the end of the game and finding that stat and logging it in memory then. It was right as the game ended on the internet for me...so I am sure either I read it incorrectly or it was not properly updated...I was not trying to smear Dayne...was just making a point. His number of carries was impressive in that game though...

As for the comment about the starters, I would just like to admit I really have no other knowledge than the obvious ***** fan. I just assume toward the end of great seasons that teams either stop playing as motivated or play different people...I really just assumed this...and had no evidence...so for that I am sorry. But I did remember Indy having key people out prior to the playoffs and what not.

As for my Gado/Love I was upfront about that...

It is definitely not blinding me as you say...Because you read my entire long thread and did not address the real issue I raised, which is ---

Would Gado have gotten the same or more yards in that Indy Game...or during any carry which makes yards that Dayne has?

There are two runs and one pass reception vs Buffalo last season that were plays that Dayne could not have made. 20 something around right end down to the two yard line....and a 30 something nifty move off left tackle...the pass play was a broken play scramble and catch...Gado made these plays, and Dayne would not have been able to make them....(As for moving the pile...Who did they call-on on 4th and 2 last year to win the Jacksonville game? Dayne or Gado....? So obviously the coaches believe Gado can move the pile too....AND puleaze don't mention 'turf-toe' cuz Dayne practiced full-speed every week he was inactive last season....didn't miss a practice...so he was healthy.)

As for love-blindings, I would have to say that you may want to examine your love for the texans blinding you actually...

You really believe we beat the Real-Colts last year....No matter who played, I don't care...No matter what they were playing for, I don't care....

They prepared all week for US....how concerned do you think they were? Of course we proved they should have concern, but every NFL team can beat any NFL team on any given week...the parity dictates this fact...

So my point is you are actually possibly more unreasonable trying to cite the fact that we beat the """"SUPER--BOWL"""" Champs....when the obvious fact is it was the last game of the season, San Diego has sunshine in January...and you know full-well they were playing half-minded....If that speaks of character issues on their part - well so be it.

I have been around sports long enough to know, that if Indy would have roled into Reliant undefeated and need the win to go undefeated for the first time since the skins....

Dayne has 76 yards on 33 carries, Manning throws five TD's and 399 yards, Harrison and Wayne school us all....and Dayne would have retired.

[mobilepreacher]

To me, "work ethic" relates to a player's level of dedication on the practice field, in the meeting rooms, and in the weight room. I might be wrong but I'm guessing you don't have that level of insight - unless you're Chick Harris' brother in law or something.

Interesting that you have to get personal with me. His work ethic I reference refers to what he does on the field when the play is not designed to get the ball in his hands. A back who really works hard doesnt allow his effort to decrease when he is not getting the ball.

[Yosarian]

Yes but when sanders came back in the playoffs their run D became instantly better because sanders throws his body around. I can say we may not have had as much success running as we did with sanders in there, but a win is a win our defense limited peytons success. our offense limited his chances.

Well..i remember it differently. I remember the Colts scoring everytime they got the ball...except one time when the punt reciever fumbled and we got it at about the 50. That one turnover gave us the lead and it was a scoring battle from then on. We scored...they scored etc. I don't remember our defense limiting Peytons sucess.

[aj.]

Interesting that you have to get personal with me. His work ethic I reference refers to what he does on the field when the play is not designed to get the ball in his hands. A back who really works hard doesnt allow his effort to decrease when he is not getting the ball.

Not getting personal at all. I was offering up my definition of the term 'work ethic,' and guessed that you didn't have insider info (that few have) to make that kind of assessment of Dayne's character. Was I wrong?

If you want to play the 'getting personal' card, I'd like to remind you that your first response to me several pages back was that I "didn't know football" after all I did was offer up a couple of opinions/answers to your original question "why Dayne" (and why not Lundy).

That seems to be getting lost in the shuffle for whatever reason.

I'd still like to see some specific examples of Dayne's horrible pass patterns, missed blitz pickup assignments, etc. that you are recalling so I can see what you are seeing. I try to keep up with x's and o's and watch (and re-watch) a lot of games. Who knows, I'll probably agree with you after I see what you are recalling - if it's that blatant. I'm just having trouble recalling any obvious and major screw ups in preseason or last year. The only thing that sticks out in my mind about Dayne is that he's a plow, he had a very good December, and he crushed Spencer's leg.

As for love-blindings, I would have to say that you may want to examine your love for the texans blinding you actually...


I would have to say that you must not be familiar with my postings actually.

So my point is you are actually possibly more unreasonable trying to cite the fact that we beat the """"SUPER--BOWL"""" Champs....when the obvious fact is it was the last game of the season ...

The obvious fact is that it wasn't the last game of the season.

If you guys want to argue about Dayne and Gado, knock yourselves out. I'm on record about what I think of both. It's kind of like picking the winner of an ugly baby contest. Gado has a much higher calling in life and he has my utmost respect with what he plans to do after the NFL.

As far as the revisionist history that crept into the thread, first someone says the Colts had "hardly any starters in the game," which is not correct. Now "they were playing half-minded." What's next?

I need to dig up the Dec 24 and 25 editions of the Indy Star because I seem to remember Coach Dungy, Peyton, and the rest of the guys expressing some strong non-coach/playerspeak sentiments about that game (before it and after it). They wanted and needed that game because of tiebreakers (they were 11-3 at the time and the Chargers were 12-2), their starters (minus Sanders who missed most of the season) all played the entire game. They had lost three of their previous five and I think 'cruise control' into the playoffs was the last thing on Dungy's mind. They hadn't been playing all that well for about a month, but that doesn't minimize the Texans victory.

[mobilepreacher]

Given the speed and quickness advantages Samkon has over Ron Dayne, he SHOULD be our #2 back. Samkon could bounce to the outside if the situation called for it a lot faster than Dayne....Samkon could take a short screen pass and use his elusiveness to get a couple extra yards (or more) than what Dayne could give us on the exact same play.

I wasn't 'un-impressed' with Ahman Green's performance in Week 1, but I feel that we could utilize Sam's speed and quickness to our advantage when Ahman goes out for a play or two. Ron Dayne is a slow, powerful short yardage and goal line back...the Texans should use him for what he is and nothing more.

I actually agree with you here. Dayne is good for a 1 or 2 yard plunge.

[HydrOshocK]

Given the speed and quickness advantages Samkon has over Ron Dayne, he SHOULD be our #2 back. Samkon could bounce to the outside if the situation called for it a lot faster than Dayne....Samkon could take a short screen pass and use his elusiveness to get a couple extra yards (or more) than what Dayne could give us on the exact same play.

I wasn't 'un-impressed' with Ahman Green's performance in Week 1, but I feel that we could utilize Sam's speed and quickness to our advantage when Ahman goes out for a play or two. Ron Dayne is a slow, powerful short yardage and goal line back...the Texans should use him for what he is and nothing more.

I agree also. I think Gado would be a good change of pace back. He emulates everything Green does and his running style shows it. He brings a combination of power and quickness just like Ahman, and we know how effective he can be. It's a plus for our O-line also because they don't have to adjust much to his style.

Dayne has not done poorly, don't get me wrong. He's a very serviceable guy and he's run the ball well for us, but I like him more for power run packages. I think Gado should get more reps if we want real consistency in the running game.

[misterpc]

I think it depends on the situation. If we are playing against an undersized D-line, I want to see some pounding with the Great Dayne. If they start to wear down, its the perfect time to punish them with Dayne. If we are in a situation where we need to pick up 1 or 2 yards, call in Ron Dayne.

On the other hand, its a good point about Gado being the same kind of back that Green is, and I think Gado will do well for us. I'd like to see Gado get some carries to keep Green fresh. But I also want Ahman to get a lot of touches. Use Dayne when the situation calls for it (see above), otherwise stick to Green with a little Gado thrown in as a change of pace.

[Jwwillis1]

Maybe Kubiak is saving Gado as an insurance policy in case Green goes down. This will insure that he can keep a similar style in his rotation. speedback/powerback

just a thought

[HJam72]

I'm sure the coaching staff considers all these things all the time, and that they are well aware that Dayne's AYC was not real good in this game. They may be waiting to see how he does on his first few runs (or more) in the next game. It's not like Dayne or Gado is guaranteed to dominate when they come in. What we're really doing with them is spelling Green, so he (hopefully) lasts all year. The Colts game might feature all three of them. :)

Colts Defense: Yards Allowed: 275.7

Green: 125
Dayne: 75
Gado: 75
Schuab: .7 :)

[STEEL BLUE TEXANS]

As far as the revisionist history that crept into the thread, first someone says the Colts had "hardly any starters in the game," which is not correct. Now "they were playing half-minded." What's next?

I need to dig up the Dec 24 and 25 editions of the Indy Star because I seem to remember Coach Dungy, Peyton, and the rest of the guys expressing some strong non-coach/playerspeak sentiments about that game (before it and after it). They wanted and needed that game because of tiebreakers (they were 11-3 at the time and the Chargers were 12-2), their starters (minus Sanders who missed most of the season) all played the entire game. They had lost three of their previous five and I think 'cruise control' into the playoffs was the last thing on Dungy's mind. They hadn't been playing all that well for about a month, but that doesn't minimize the Texans victory.


The Ravens got the first round bye and homefield advantage against the Colts because of that loss to us. Colts ended up having to play Kansas City in the divisional round.

[Jim Nayzium]

Let's just clarify a word from me here...

I like Gado more than Dayne.

I am biased in favor of Gado as a Gado fan.

I really don't know much about last season...but I do think the Texans beating the colts was a fluke. Argue the facts all you want...it won't change my 'opinion' either way.

I agree that with 85 cents and that information you could by a thursday edition of USA Today....

PS --- Here are relevant video clips....

I will eat crow if anyone finds a clip in the archive of Ron Dayne that is as impressive as these two of Gado...

http://www.nfl.com/videos;jsessionid=ADA6B1BB1E06AC6643B709CAFED8DE81 ?videoId=09000d5d80046880
http://www.nfl.com/videos;jsessionid=F5764B083AFF3116ABD1717B2CE74DAC ?videoId=09000d5d80055ccd

[DeclanJr]

so basically dude ur like the vy and carr lovers out there...you dont like the texans you like gado....that right there lost tons of credit and quite frankly this thread should die as should your post count

Just because you comment on every post doesn't mean that you know more than someon else. Making reference to his post count is ignorant. The guy came out and admitted that he was a Gado fan and posted some highlights. If you want to blindly follow everything the coaching staff decides, then fine.

Personally I think Gado is a better running back with more potential than Ron Dayne. I don't care what Dayne did during the final two games of the season last year.

[Jim Nayzium]

You did not offend me at all. And I never said Dayne Sucks either....all I have maintained is that each time Dayne gets yards, Gado would at least get those same yards...and from time to time make more yards.

I never meant to imply that I think poorly of Dayne, its the decision to play Dayne over Gado that I think poorly of...seriously.

And yes, I am an admitted Gado fan...

Last time I checked, I clicked "FAN ZONE" to get the message board to appear in the first place...

If this is a sports-reporter's, media-analyst's message board I am not sure how I was granted permission to post in the first place...

I was under the impression that this was a group of Fans speaking their minds...

My mind is made up --- I think Gado deserves to play.

Do I have much hard evidence to back this up....not really.
Do I have many accurate stats from last year to back it up...not really.

Have you provided anything that refutes my main point about Gado vs. Dayne yet? .... um -- not really.

[Jim Nayzium]

In the spirit of being railed for accuracy about the past about INDY...I would like to remind you that they indeed did not have a great oline that year...

At least the Green Bay media prior to Gado playing didn't think so...

They utilized K.Barry as a tight end...and the papers all but blamed the poor Green numbers prior to the injury on the line...

They did get better over the year...though I will admit that...started to gel when Gado ran better etc...

However --- I WILL OFFICIALLY agree with you about your point...

If you would rather have a back in the game that will always run more clock because he will never break a long run....then Dayne is the clear choice.

I am not speaking ill-of-dayne either..I mean this sincerely...

I watched the end of a college game this past weekend where the team leading clipped of three first downs on three plays...12, 11, 16 yards...

then went three and out and punted...

if that would have been 8, 6, 5, 6, 2, 4, 5

more clock would have run...

you might be on to something...and maybe Kubes is a lot smarter than I realized....

[mobilepreacher]

First off, great road win today. The team played well... but as for Dayne, 18 carries today for a whopping 2.4 yards per carry? Come on guys. As Texan fans are we really going to pretend we are happy with that? Meanwhile Green gets 3 fewer carries and makes almost twice as many yards. The numbers dont lie folks. Dayne is not a good back. Gado could do so much more for us with those 18 carries that Dayne got today.

[Yosarian]

You have to remember that Dayne got his runs when they KNEW we were trying to run out the clock.

Green had his runs when they didn't know what we were going to do. You really cant compare the two stats without mentioning this.

Dayne was punishing in those runs and was not tackled without delivering a hearty bruise to the tackler. I could see their defense running out of gas and Dayne pretty much finished them off.

He spelled Green for the next game. We got the win. Dayne is not a problem. He is a speciality back who can block even though i think it was mentioned that he doesn't do it well, he is big and can help in QB pass protection.

I will let it lie there. He gives us something and we have Gado too. As long as the wins keep coming.....there is no reason to "fix" anything.

[Sprtsfanatic]

dude, if you dont understand the bruising punishment that dayne dishes out while NEVER FUMBLING THE ROCK AND JUST EATING AWAY AT THE CLOCK....then I dont know what to tell you...perhaps you should just give up and give it a rest already....believe me WE ARE ALL TIRED OF HEARING IT and the bottom line is he's contributed to not one but 2 HUGE WINS...

[Jim Nayzium]

I will admit his fumble ratio is quite impressive.

[Lazaroos]

Dayne is the best clock eater we have. Period. He's got two overgrown Bologna's in his tights, they dont stop till hes horizontal or through a hole, lol.

[mobilepreacher]

Hey Yosarian, you wrote:
"He is a speciality back who can block even though i think it was mentioned that he doesn't do it well, he is big and can help in QB pass protection"


Ron Dayne cannot block. He doesnt put the effort into it. He likes to run the ball, and shows little or no interest in anything else. Actually, he is horrendous in pass protection. Absolutely pathetic. That is a fact.

[mobilepreacher]

Dayne is the best clock eater we have. Period. He's got two overgrown Bologna's in his tights, they dont stop till hes horizontal or through a hole, lol.

Problem is, he is always horizontal after 2 yards.