Petey Freakin Faggins

[moses77550]

So, now that they know he cannot cover worh a **** oh yea and tackle worth a ****, do they make him the nickel or the bench? I just don't think he should be starting on this up and coming defense. It won't hurt to play the rookie or fletcher, right?

[justin of doom]

faggins is absolutely horrible
next week we need to stick d-rob on wayne (last year he held him to like 3 catches for 27 yards) and double cover harrison

[moses77550]

I think drob should definitly be on wayne and double team harrison also. I will really be concerned about Dallas Clark. That guy has been destroying defenses down the middle. Our LBs will need to have a hell of a game and play the pass before the run.

[CPTTexan]

Indy will be a challenge for our d-backs! Harrison/Wayne should have our best cover corners assigned to them with double cov. on Harrison.

Dallas Clark needs a good coverage LB on him! (Ryans possibly) But that leaves the run game for Indy at an advantage if we do that.

Don't forget about A. Gonzalez! If the rest are covered and the team forgets about him then we're going to be in for a long day.

In a previous post I said that the Carolina game is going to be a huge test (that they overwhelmingly passed) for the OL.

This game will be where our defense really needs to step up to the task at hand with all the weapons that Indy has! Don't lay off the line 10 yards or Peyton will just light us up 5 yards at a time. I have every bit of confidence that our defense can and will step up to the challenge.

[Shawn E. Supergenius]

Faggins is just very inconsistant. He's a good man coverage player, but in a zone on a island he is easily exposed. He gave up 2 TD's with poor coverage and tackling, but his name was pretty silent the 2nd half when he was matched up against a non-Pro-Bowler. I hope he can suck it up for next week when he goes up against Wayne.

[outofhnd]

Faggins atleast did better than Fred Smoot...:D

[3andOUT]

Faggins looked shaky fo sho at times, but he was on an island with the last guy I would wanna be iso'd against. My problem wasn't SS making those catches, but the first one where Petey slipped should not have been more than a 9-10 yard gain. The second touchdown, SS should have been tackled short of the goal-line. Next week is going to be a real test.

It's not going to matter if we have Dunta and Champ Bailey to start on the corners if we cannot get to Peyton. It all starts up front and I believe if we execute properly we can own the trenches and force Indy out of their comfort zone (being ahead and being able to throw they ball) which can make INdy look pedestrian at times

[outofhnd]

Our goal will be to stop Joseph Addai and get penetration. Addai works against the cover 2 because he runs a delay draw and it freezes the linebackers. You stop Joseph Addai, you really take away alot. Especially with our Dline wearing down the O line. We have such a great rotation that will definately be an advantage.

[Mean Machine]

Petey was up against one of the 3 best wr's in the league....he's good, but Dunta just makes him look a little lesser. He'll be fine.

Hey, Petey was the guy that caused that fumble on the kickoff that Walter recovered!

[Armor For Sleep]

They know he can't play worth a ****, but he'll be starting vs. Indy. They seem to have some strange kind of man love for Petey.

Probably because he's our best option. Fletcher is better suited for the nickel role and Bennett is inexperienced and will get abused. Faggins is good enough to hold up against most #2 WRs in the NFL, he just had the misfortune of being matched up against Steve Smith, which was a coaching blunder from the beginning.

I would love to relegate Petey to the nickel role, but no one who can unseat him will be available until the offseason.

[1337texansfan]

petey will look much better if we can get pressure on manning. hell our whole dam secondary looks better when our line is wreaking havoc.

[Grid]

We arent going to find any upgrades available until next offseason. In my mind, our options are:

A) Try to find a way to help him on the field using our safeties.

B) Give the depth a shot at it and see if anyone steps up and takes the spot.

C) Change our coverage in the secondary so that, instead of covering one side of the field, both Dunta and Faggins cover a specific guy.

D) Keep on truckin and hope he finds another gear.


I feel that C is the safest option, even though it may hurt our secondary as a whole to change things up now.

A would work if we had better safeties.. maybe if Boulware and Demps step up this could be possible.

B sounds good on a forum, but could cost us games if actually attempted.

D shouldnt even be considered.. Faggins has been burnt by dominant receivers ever since he got the starting position..I dont see that changing now.


I think Faggins is a great player.. he has everything you look for in a corner EXCEPT the physical tools. He just isnt quite athletic enough to stand up to the Steve Smiths of the league.

I hope we make the #2 CB spot a priority next offseason. Faggins is a dominant nickle CB, and could be a playmaker for us at that position.

[redkoolaid]

...this is totally off topic..but where did DeMarcus Faggins get the nickname "Petey" from?...lol

[Armor For Sleep]

...this is totally off topic..but where did DeMarcus Faggins get the nickname "Petey" from?...lol

Faggins, who answers to the nickname "Petey" thanks to a grandmother who thought he resembled the dog from "The Little Rascals," was a high school star in Irving before heading to Kansas State via Navarro Junior College.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=1864279

[CarolinaTexan]

I think faggins is just horrible, I'd start Bennett over him, and thats saying something.

[bt304203]

I think drob should definitly be on wayne and double team harrison also. I will really be concerned about Dallas Clark. That guy has been destroying defenses down the middle. Our LBs will need to have a hell of a game and play the pass before the run.

last time we played them we had a hell of a game and won...this defense is better than last year and our offense is god like compared to last year! there isn't a team in this league i don't think we can beat now

[ib4texans]

Faggins is responsible for creating a high percentage of turnovers for both thisseason and last season. I have to agree that we don't start any unknown commodity until we play the "Dirty Birds"

[dalemurphy]

I think faggins is just horrible, I'd start Bennett over him, and thats saying something.


It says you haven't seen Bennett get burned yet. Why? because he's sitting on the bench. What do you think Bennett would do isolated on Steve Smith? Give me a freakin' break! Corners get beat!

[HydrOshocK]

It says you haven't seen Bennett get burned yet. Why? because he's sitting on the bench. What do you think Bennett would do isolated on Steve Smith? Give me a freakin' break! Corners get beat!

You are correct, corners do get beat. Faggins just happens to get beat more than most. He lacks the skill set necessary to hang with the elite WRs 1 on 1. He's a very good nickel back but we need a significant upgrade at the #2 CB spot.

Bennett hasn't played a lot so I really don't know if he provides that upgrade, but I'm willing to give him a shot because his play can't be any worse. Eventually he has to be tested by fire. I'm not sure that test should come against the Colts however....that could be ugly.

At the very least maybe Fletcher can get some reps.

All I know is that the gaping black hole in the secondary has suddenly shifted from FS to CB and something needs to be done about it.

[dalemurphy]

You are correct, corners do get beat. Faggins just happens to get beat more than most. He lacks the skill set necessary to hang with the elite WRs 1 on 1. He's a very good nickel back but we need a significant upgrade at the #2 CB spot.

Bennett hasn't played a lot so I really don't know if he provides that upgrade, but I'm willing to give him a shot because his play can't be any worse. Eventually he has to be tested by fire. I'm not sure that test should come against the Colts however....that could be ugly.

At the very least maybe Fletcher can get some reps.

All I know is that the gaping black hole in the secondary has suddenly shifted from FS to CB and something needs to be done about it.



He could play a lot worse than Faggins. Here's some homework for you: watch the NYGiants, Cincinnati Bengals, Dallas Cowboys, St. Louis Rams, Detroit Lions, Buffalo Bills, New Orleans Saints ... then explain to me how you haven't seen CB play worse than Petey Faggins.

[CarolinaTexan]

He could play a lot worse than Faggins. Here's some homework for you: watch the NYGiants, Cincinnati Bengals, Dallas Cowboys, St. Louis Rams, Detroit Lions, Buffalo Bills, New Orleans Saints ... then explain to me how you haven't seen CB play worse than Petey Faggins.

Have you watched faggins play? He gets burned like its his job, is it even possible for him to get beat anymore?

[Yosarian]

I can't get involved in this discussion. I want to. But i have to support our players. And this isn't the first year he has started. I think he took over when we lost Glenn. So...let's just hope for the best.

If i remember correctly.....Manning actually threw a lot towards Dunta's side for the first quarter without success in that last game..and did eventually start to go the other way.
I feel like Manning is so confident ..he thinks ..i'll show them..and throw to Dunta's man just to prove something to himself. That is what i will wish for. But i think he did realize in that game that he wasn't being very successful trying that. So i feel like he learned his lesson and will know where to throw the ball.

This could be great for Faggins. IF he makes some interceptions and lays out their big money guys a few times. He must have something or he wouldn't be starting. In Kubiak i trust. Even in this. But i worry ever since Glenn left. I'm living on faith and trust.

Plus....this is our year. The ball is bouncing to us. We are getting the breaks. Let's keep a positive attitude and support our team. I know it is hard to watch year after year. But he is getting better. And he is the best we have.
All these games he has had opportunities to learn and that fumble he caused shows a determination to make things right. So he has stepped up. After the Colts game....then we can continue the conversation..if needed. lol

But i don't know...what can we do but support him. He is standing between Manning and wayne/harrisson. He needs our support. I hope he goes out there totally focused on the job at hand and makes plays and gives us nothing but questions on whether he is as bad as everyone says. I say that yes , last year he stunk....but this year he looks a lot better. By the middle of the season he may be proving us all wrong! He has certainly gained a step from last year. He still isn't as close as i want him to the recievers but i see that he is closer than he used to be. He is improving and making progress. He has a lot of playing time under his belt. Baptism of fire i guess. Maybe he can use that to become a good player this year. I am going to support him and continue to give him the benefit of the doubt. I feel like he is really trying out there. That's all we can ask is that opur players try as hard as they can. All CB are going to get burned. It goes with the territory. Minimizing those burns is what he must do.

Okay i guess i didn't stay out of the discussion after all. But, that is how i feel about Faggins. I haven't been happy with him in a long time but i will give him my full support as long as he tries his best out there. And i feel like he is giving me that this year.

[dalemurphy]

Have you watched faggins play? He gets burned like its his job, is it even possible for him to get beat anymore?

He's had 2 notably bad games in his career. by the way, we won one (Sunday) and should've won the other (Buffalo '06). He gets beaten in man situations against players like MHarrison, Lee Evans, and Steve Smith.

Here's an idea.. go back to last season and check out our record with him on the field and our record without him. Or, just wakeup and realize the difference between an elite CB and a good player that can help the team win but has limitations... not everyone on the team can be probowlers- and the CB position tends to expose mistakes more than other positions.

[HydrOshocK]

He could play a lot worse than Faggins. Here's some homework for you: watch the NYGiants, Cincinnati Bengals, Dallas Cowboys, St. Louis Rams, Detroit Lions, Buffalo Bills, New Orleans Saints ... then explain to me how you haven't seen CB play worse than Petey Faggins.

Why don't you do your own homework and explain to me when and where I ever said I haven't seen CB play worse than Faggins..

[sbalderrama]

I would have to think that the coaches that look at these guys day by day believe that Faggins should be starting for a reason. And while its seems good to say "put Dunta on the #1" everytime, you start to handicap your defense if you are going to just play Dunta man to man all the time. Kubiak alluded to that in one of his comments on this game somewhere. I don't think there are too many teams with two starters who can shut down #1 receivers.

[dalemurphy]

You are correct, corners do get beat. Faggins just happens to get beat more than most. He lacks the skill set necessary to hang with the elite WRs 1 on 1. He's a very good nickel back but we need a significant upgrade at the #2 CB spot.

Bennett hasn't played a lot so I really don't know if he provides that upgrade, but I'm willing to give him a shot because his play can't be any worse. Eventually he has to be tested by fire. I'm not sure that test should come against the Colts however....that could be ugly.

At the very least maybe Fletcher can get some reps.

All I know is that the gaping black hole in the secondary has suddenly shifted from FS to CB and something needs to be done about it.


I guess that's where I got the impression that you think he's one of the worst starting CBs in the league. Perhaps I misunderstood?

[HydrOshocK]

I guess that's where I got the impression that you think he's one of the worst starting CBs in the league. Perhaps I misunderstood?

To clarify.....Bennett's play can't be any worse than Faggins, because Faggins gives up a lot of big plays. I doubt Bennett would do any worse that Faggins has so far.

I never implied that Petey was one of the worst starting CBs in the league, he's just not good enough to be the #2 on this team.

[Marcus]

To clarify.....Bennett's play can't be any worse than Faggins, because Faggins gives up a lot of big plays. I doubt Bennett would do any worse that Faggins has so far.

I never implied that Petey was one of the worst starting CBs in the league, he's just not good enough to be the #2 on this team.

First of all, Bennett has a bad hamstring, so don't count on him being in there anytime soon.

Second, Petey might not be the #2 in your book, but he's Kubiak's and Smith's #2, so deal with it. I don't know how many times it's been said, but everything can't be fixed at once. Both Kubes and Smith have said that more work needs to be done, so take their word on that.

I swear to God, some of you go out of your way to find a player to hate on.

[HJam72]

The answer to all of this is Okoye rollin' up the QB.

Then Faggins can just do flips and cheer in the background.

[3andOUT]

All this being said, Petey is the best option. I think Bennett will eventually start in a year or so but a rookie corner is a huge liability. If Petey really is that bad then the coach's will make the neccessary adjustment and we will move on. Petey is not perfect and has made some plays that have been overlooked.

Petey is not Dunta obviously, and very few teams have two legit blanket corners. As long as we can shut down half the field with Dunta, we can float Safeties to help Faggins.

BTW, the Colt's do a better job than anyone of using the entire field.

[dalemurphy]

ya noone outside of buffalo knew lee evans til they played us.....then he was suddenly a superstar wr for them....ha what a joke....honestly we do need another cb and for some of you who defend him need to wake up and watch the tv.....cuz he costs us 2 tds last week.....2....soley him...he was man on man and couldnt do it....he needs to say hey i cant cover this guy coach I NEED HELP.....otherwise step up or sit down....btw some of you sound like the gado freaks haha jk

You're kidding me! I've never understood how guys can watch football, be fans of the game, and not understand what they're watching.

You mean that [B]you[B] didn't know who Lee Evans was before that game. People that pay attention to the NFL sure the heck knew...

It's comical that you would rip on Faggins for getting beat in single coverage by Steve Smith. I tell you what, find a tape of the Carolina vs. Chicago '05 playoff game and watch what Steve Smith did to the Chicago secondary- mind you, he was being double-teamed all game long that game.

If you're really this ignorant, that's fine, but maybe keep your criticism to yourself.

[Shawn E. Supergenius]

I'll give Faggins a pass on the 1st TD because that was just a play that went their way. Faggins got a hand on the ball and knocked it out. A safety should have been there to for help. The second one was just a bad play by him. He looked like he was 10 yards off the ball and confused.

[dalemurphy]

I'll give Faggins a pass on the 1st TD because that was just a play that went their way. Faggins got a hand on the ball and knocked it out. A safety should have been there to for help. The second one was just a bad play by him. He looked like he was 10 yards off the ball and confused.


Anyone who wants to say that Faggins played poorly on a play or two, I'll totally agree. Nobody is arguing that he doesn't make mistakes or that he's a great CB or that he's not nearly as physical as Dunta. We're only reacting to this id*ots that are screaming that he sucks and should be replaced by a 4th round rookie that we know nothing about.

[dalemurphy]

ok if any of you have read other posts of mine im not sayin replace faggins this week.....nopt against a good colts wr corps....i think bennett needs to be the starter come week 4 in atl.....lee evans was a nobody man give it a rest....he was a guy much like mathis....FAST...thats it....faggins is nowhere close to dunta and im fine with that,....but im not fine with a guy who has skills as a nickle back in as our number 2 when we have many other guys willin to give it a go....i dont know why they cant try......fletcher hasnt been bad from what weve seen.....and like i said if faggins couldnt handle smith then he needs to own up and tell kubs....cuz im sure the coaching staff wouldve switched dunta over there or made adjustments....but i gurantee the coach asked faggins if he could step up and faggins prolly said ya....therefore we left him there and got burned on the next series.....as for not watching football....did yo notice we played a deep zone when smith got that "fluke" td....it was not one particular guy but the ENTIRE secondary and lbs corps....about 6 guys missed the tackle....so ya i can honeslty say faggins got owned twice

Lee Evans had 1292 receiving yards last year and you are comparing him to Jerome Mathis? Furthermore, you are making up fictional conversations between the coach and Faggins in order to discredit him. You are ridiculous!

Have you seen Fletcher matched up one on one with Steve Smith?

Why would you want to make a change, with unknown results, when we're undefeated, on a four game winning streak, and playing the best defense in the history of this franchise?

Furthermore, coaches don't ask players what they think they can do and then develop a gameplan around that. I'm sure all those guys that were cut in August told the coaches they could do the job... I guess on that day, the coaches weren't listening?

[dalemurphy]

dont get me wrong haha i am the last guy to hate....but the fact is our number 2 cb is the worse part of the defense....we can always improve and thats where we need to start....faggins is AGREAT NICKEL guy....hes just below average as our number 2.....if we can upgrade why wouldnt we? cuz we are 2-0 that makes no sense....and you think the coaches dont ask guys during the game if they need help or if they can handle there guy.....you my friend are mistaken....cuz coaches need to know if they have to adjust to help out a "weaker" player so they dont get burned for 83 yds twice in a row.......

So, our coaches are so stupid that even after Faggins was torched by a "nobody" last year, they still thought Faggins could cover Steve Smith one on one because he said so?

Of course I would be in favor of upgrading the CB. I just don't see any evidence to suggest Bennett would be an upgrade over Petey.