Should we make a midseason trade for a solid CB?

[AllDay28]

Yes?

No?

[Armor For Sleep]

There won't be a solid CB available via trade in the middle of the season. Your best bet would be to sign Tory James, unless of course he has signed with someone already.

[diddykong466]

yes, but who do you have in mind and what would your offer be. midseason trades in the NFL are rare.

[1337texansfan]

depends on who it is and what they want. but if we could and it is favorable to us...sure why not

[JCTexan]

Yes, I think we should either trade for, sign or draft one. I don't think Faggins is good enough to be a #2 CB with the Colts in our division.

[Marcus]

Some of you, especially AllDay28, need to get this through your thick skulls.

Faggins is here to stay. Give it up already.

[Armor For Sleep]

I know they are rare, and I've made it clear to many on this board that I think Nnamdi Asomugha of Oakland would be a very good fit on this team. We would probably have to give up some draft picks over the next few years to get him, but as I've stated before, I think this team is another good CB away from being a perennial playoff contender.

Scrabble is a good, young, Pro Bowl CB who was the Raiders' MVP last season. There is no way they are going to give him up. That would be like asking us to give up D-Rob. It won't happen. If you were going to make up a completely baseless trade rumor, focus more on players on the level of Stanford Routt and not on the level of Scrabble. It's never going to happen.

[bsofa04]

Yes?

No?

No. No good team is willing to trade a quality CB during the first EIGHT games. A lot is riding on a team over coming an 0-2 deficit/taking advantage of a 2-0 record/seeing what you have in a 1-1 record.....

The Texans arn't going to see anyone in here unless a team (like the Giants) release a quality CB...err...FS like Demps during the early season. Allday28, there's two things teams will NEVER give up; cornerbacks and offensive linemen. If you see someone on the waiver wire at this point, you have to ask yourself.....why?.....

[joedinkle]

Here's the thing about our team. We're not built for short term success. We're built for long term success. We have alot of youth on our team. We don't need to start making alot of roster moves mid season. I say we take Asante Samuel in FA this offseason(he's not gonna wanna play for the pats anymore.)

[fdknuckles]

I'm not sure going out and signing the big name CB is the best idea, with the kind of $ Assante is going to demand. I know the Texans are going to have alot of cap space freed up with the dead money for Wade and Smith finally coming off, but wouldn't you rather see us shore up the O Line with a Faneca or trying to lure Micheal Turner to give us a Green replacement?

I'm all for improving at the CB position, but might we be better off looking towards next years draft and using FA money where it might make a bigger impact?

[joedinkle]

I want to inject more youth in the OL. I really want Spencer to come back, but I don't think it happens. I'd like us to use our first on an O-Line prospect. This draft is going to be deep with it. I don't want a rookie getting burnt in our secondary. Dunta and Asante would be a nice combo. Yea, he's gonna want som $$$, but I'd rather spend it on a proven vet, than an unproven rookie.

[infantrycak]

but wouldn't you rather see us shore up the O Line with a Faneca or trying to lure Micheal Turner to give us a Green replacement?

I'm all for improving at the CB position, but might we be better off looking towards next years draft and using FA money where it might make a bigger impact?

Absent an injury, I don't think the Texans have any intention of replacing Pitts or Weary. Turner they should certainly take a look at but if the bidding gets ridiculous they'd be better off taking the Denver approach of keep drafting RB's. CB is certainly a spot where a FA could help.

[UnH!nged]

Don't see us being able to pick up anything better than we have during mid-season. I'm afraid we'll have to go with what we have already.

[Historyhorn]

I think we're going to have to play with the folks we've got on the roster right now.

No-one gives up starting CB's during the year. Plus if someone would, we'd have to give a king's ransom and that would cripple this team which is building for the future.

As to who we should look at in the off-season??? I think we should look at defensive backfield help in the first round. We can make a run at Mike Turner and/or Alan Faneca with our cap $$$.

Assuming we get Faneca and a quality CB or cover safety in the first round, you're talking about a team that could contend for the division. Throw in production from Jacoby Jones as a quality WR and maybe Michael Tuner as the cherry on top and you might have the makings of a team that could do more than just contend for the division.

Go Texans

[Ole Miss Texan]

I don't know if I'd be willing to trade any of our players that other teams would want.

I could possibly see a LB traded? maybe? but if thats the case I would think we might look at an OLB in the 1st rd of the '08 draft.

I'll play...if we were to trade, what kind of value would we get for a Greenwood/Anderson/Orr? I like these guys for our team and don't really think we would be able to make a trade to a team that has both A) quality #2 CB and B) NEEDS an OLB

Maybe someone on the DL like Maddox, Cochran could be an option. I see nobody on offense as a viable trade option.

[bsofa04]

Most of you guys, it seems, have a losing mentality and a negative outlook. OF COURSE Oakland would give up Asomugha if the price was right. If anyone would like me to explain I'd be more than happy to tell you why they would give him up.

I like to think of it as being realistic. No one is giving up a player this early in the season. Oakland might be looking to part ways with players mid season though, when their record is 1-7. But now is too early and def. not worth the price.

[infantrycak]

Most of you guys, it seems, have a losing mentality and a negative outlook. OF COURSE Oakland would give up Asomugha if the price was right. If anyone would like me to explain I'd be more than happy to tell you why they would give him up.

No one has a losing mentality--it is called realism (trades very rarely happen particularly for serious CB's--this isn't baseball) and some savviness about not sending away too many draft picks (don't get desperate now and pee away the future).

[infantrycak]

I don't call it peeing away the future.

So what we have to give up a few draft picks? Big deal.

Teams are built through the draft and not just 1st rounders (try looking at the Colts and Patriot teams that won the super bowl).

Signed,

Demeco Ryans, Jacoby Jones, Eric Winston, Chester Pitts, Fred Weary, etc.

It is just silly (which is why you don't see it happen) to give away 3-4 picks (which is what it would take) to shore up one position, especially if you are contemplating the future rather than this week.

[Leofire1]

Boy you sure do like trade talk. I think you really want us to go all the way this year with disregard for the future. I say we keep this team the way it is. Pick up some good free agents and make some more good draft picks. I know we are only a couple players away but will just might have to wait untill next year to be in the superbowl.

Look at a team like the pats they always have draft picks. If they were not losing a first round pick because of cheating they would have two first round this year. The year they got moroney they had 2 first rounds. I am not a big fan of trading our draft picks. We already dont have a second round pick for the next two years

[Leofire1]

Teams are built through the draft and not just 1st rounders.

Signed,

Demeco Ryans, Jacoby Jones, Eric Winston, Chester Pitts, Fred Weary, etc.

It is just silly (which is why you don't see it happen) to give away 3-4 picks (which is what it would take) to shore up one position, especially if you are contemplating the future rather than this week.

Well put and I agree with you on this one. Love draft picks.

[vinyllover]

I know they are rare, and I've made it clear to many on this board that I think Nnamdi Asomugha of Oakland would be a very good fit on this team. We would probably have to give up some draft picks over the next few years to get him, but as I've stated before, I think this team is another good CB away from being a perennial playoff contender.

Our last CB trade with Oakland was a big success. Let's do it again. :)

[Otisbean]

No way to get NA from the Raiders, just won't happen. Peetey isn't a great CB by any stretch but he can play, he just got stuck on one of the top WRs in the game. The first TD was a lucky bounce, it could have easily bounce away from Smith and fallen incomplete. Peetey had good coverage on that play. His tackle attempt was terrible, but I think we are spoiled seeing DR blow people up - that is not the norm with most CBs in the league. Faggins is an average number 2 CB. I am sure that next offseason the secondary will be addressed either through the draft or FA.

[outofhnd]

All day change you handle to E -trade28 :)

NO way Oakland gives up the cornerstone of their defense and no way we can we get him without hurting another part of our team.

As far as drafting goes, I see our #1 pick going to a RB of the future since we have a logjam of first round talent RB in this years draft. So no Michael Turner here, Turner will probably end up with the lions, titans, bears if benson does not improve, packers, browns,

[South Texan]

Some of you, especially AllDay28, need to get this through your thick skulls.

Faggins is here to stay. Give it up already.

That's what I thought about our former QB!

But yeah, he is probably here the rest of the season. Only trades I see happening are late in the season when a playoff bound team has someone go down is desparate to replace him. Any more major pickups will probably not be till next year which brings me to:

****** THREAD HIJACK ATTEMPT*****

What about trading away our next year's #1 pick for 2 picks in later rounds ( like a 2nd and 5th) and pick up some young but proven performers in FA. Think it through... a first rounder is a lot of money for a maybe. (Think New Orleans is wondering if they overpaid Reggie about now?) Also consider that we will probably be in the low 4'th of the draft. That savings and the cap space will give Rick Smith a lot to work with and we are seeing what a horse trader he is. Some of our best draftee's have been in round 3 and beyond (JJ, Domick, etc.). We would still have picks in the 2nd round on.
Shopping List:
2 or 3 DB's through FA (A Dunta clone would be nice.)
Young center of the future (probably in the draft)
Overlooked talent in the draft, especially a RB.
A young swing tackle for depth.

Just a thought.

[Historyhorn]

I don't call it peeing away the future. Here's the thing...a rookie CB (Bennett or a 2008 draft pick) isn't going to come in and do anything better than what Petey's doing now. We need a solid CB to come in and start making plays. Nowadays, you need 3 good CBs in the NFL because so many teams like to line up in 3 wide formations.

The trade could happen if we made it worth Oakland's while. So what we have to give up a few draft picks? Big deal. It'd go a long way toward strengthening our perennial playoff chances.

Signed Daniel Snyder -- Owner Washington Redskins

[Historyhorn]

That's what I thought about our former QB!

But yeah, he is probably here the rest of the season. Only trades I see happening are late in the season when a playoff bound team has someone go down is desparate to replace him. Any more major pickups will probably not be till next year which brings me to:

****** THREAD HIJACK ATTEMPT*****

What about trading away our next year's #1 pick for 2 picks in later rounds ( like a 2nd and 5th) and pick up some young but proven performers in FA. Think it through... a first rounder is a lot of money for a maybe. (Think New Orleans is wondering if they overpaid Reggie about now?) Also consider that we will probably be in the low 4'th of the draft. That savings and the cap space will give Rick Smith a lot to work with and we are seeing what a horse trader he is. Some of our best draftee's have been in round 3 and beyond (JJ, Domick, etc.). We would still have picks in the 2nd round on.
Shopping List:
2 or 3 DB's through FA (A Dunta clone would be nice.)
Young center of the future (probably in the draft)
Overlooked talent in the draft, especially a RB.
A young swing tackle for depth.

Just a thought.

Unless you're in the top ten, the cap hit for a first rounder is not that bad. In addition, a first round draft pick if you don't screw it up should become a solid starter for your team. A 2 and a 5 don't add up to a 1. It'd take more like two 2's and a second day pick to make the value chart add up. In addition, it'd have to be a draft day trade because there' have to be a player on the board that a team couldn't live without. Kinda like Babin when we traded back into the first round a few years ago.

In short, no. I'm not in favor of letting our number one go this year for added choices. We need a top flight starter in the defensive secondary (not sure how deep the position is this year). If not, we need to use that pick on another position to add a top flight starter.

Go Texans