Ricky Williams??

[txroadking]

So I am interested on thoughts on Ricky Williams... I'm not saying put the farm on him being a savior at RB but I believe he'd be cheap for the RB we'd get. I think he would be exciting, get the job done and a different style than Dayne and Gado (if not just better).

[Bladerunner]

I would be absolutely shocked if Bob McNair gave that idea one minute's thought. I just can't see it.

Dallas, OTOH, has proven they'll sign anybody. They probably even have an open line to Michael Vick's agent, should he ever be allowed back into the league.

[TyrantTexan]

Ricky Williams is DONE!!! That is the last thing we need right now!! He is a distraction that is definitely not worth the troubles!!

http://www.bustedplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/ricky.png

[txroadking]

I would be absolutely shocked if Bob McNair gave that idea one minute's thought. I just can't see it.

Dallas, OTOH, has proven they'll sign anybody. They probably even have an open line to Michael Vick's agent, should he ever be allowed back into the league.

I in that line of thinking.. BUT Daddy McNair!!... He's not a criminal and all he really wants in life is Freedom and Happiness... Deep down we can all understand that, RighT??

There's a first for everything and I'd be for this to be the first under this catagory.

[TyrantTexan]

Corey Dillon?? Stephen Davis??

[ReliantTexan]

Ricky Williams is a better back then both Dayne and Green.You're joking, right? I know Green isn't doing anything spectacular but when healthy he's a very good back.

Ricky Williams isn't any younger than Ahman. And i know he's not as fast.So I don't see why you would think that he's better.

[Number 34]

Picking up Williams would be a great idea! We would have enough money leftover to get Towely from South Park. Then we could turn the shoulder pad air cooling machine into an electric bong! How cool would that be? Wanna get high?

Seriously though. It's not like he just has an attitude problem or one run in with the law at a night club. The dude stresses out and has to toke his problems away. He doesn't see anything wrong with getting high and being a pro athelete...thats his problem. The only reason why he would want to play ball again is to scrounge up some quick cash to get some more weed. I say no unless he is practically free or he pays us.

[mtrane]

So I am interested on thoughts on Ricky Williams... I'm not saying put the farm on him being a savior at RB but I believe he'd be cheap for the RB we'd get. I think he would be exciting, get the job done and a different style than Dayne and Gado (if not just better).

Why stop with Ricky, let's bring in Maurice Clarett and Lawrence Phillips while we are at it. :confused:

The problem with bringing in Ricky is that you would have to constantly worry about him either getting suspended or injured. The one thing you have to admire about the Texans is that for the most part, they have avoided bringing in guys that have issues off the field. At the very least, lingering issues.

[vinyllover]

Is he eligible to play? I thought he had been suspended for violating the league's substance abuse policy for the FOURTH time!
Even if he's eligible, don't the Fins hold his rights?

I'll stick with the guys we have right now.

[BIG ERN]

Why stop with Ricky, let's bring in Maurice Clarett and Lawrence Phillips while we are at it. :confused:

The problem with bringing in Ricky is that you would have to constantly worry about him either getting suspended or injured. The one thing you have to admire about the Texans is that for the most part, they have avoided bringing in guys that have issues off the field. At the very least, lingering issues.

RAMONCE TAYLOR!

[Bladerunner]

And that's why Dallas #1 right now, just cause they take chances on players, (T.O. and now they just signed Tank Johnson).

If Texans take chances like Dallas this will be a way better team!

You don't have to sign convicts to win football games.

Dallas is #1 in the NFC - which makes them a middle-of-the-pack AFC team.

[kcwilson]

RAMONCE TAYLOR!

Everyone down! Gun!

[outofhnd]

Man, listen. I don't like Dallas but the way they playing, they could beat anyone who stands in their way.

Except the Patriots.

[BIG ERN]

Except the Patriots.

And the Colts and Pittsburgh.

[BATTL3_R3D]

Ricky would be fine. BUT, he has too many ahhhh, plant issues. So, he would play 3-4 games and then get susspended. Not worth it, if he somehow cleaned up his act...great move. But, do you see that happening?

I don't...So just like the Pot, just say NO to ricky.

[misterpc]

I would be very down with signing Williams, as long as we put a clause in his contract that protects the team if Ricky gets in trouble again. Im pretty sure that Miami still owns him though.

I think Ricky has a lot of football left, his body is not nearly as used as most running backs his age. At one point he was the best running back in the NFL.

[austintexanite]

I would be very down with signing Williams, as long as we put a clause in his contract that protects the team if Ricky gets in trouble again. Im pretty sure that Miami still owns him though.

I think Ricky has a lot of football left, his body is not nearly as used as most running backs his age. At one point he was the best running back in the NFL.

Agree, his legs aren't worn down as much as Ahmans or Rons. If we were to sign him, there would have to be a clause that protects us...but I seriously doubt we'll sign him.

[ReliantTexan]

Dude, what the H.E.L.L. you smoking?! Ricky Williams is waaay faster then Green and powerful. When Ricky first came to the NFL they was comparing him to a little Earl Campbell type of runner. But Mike Dika (use to be head coach of Saints) ran Williams wrong and he got hurt, then traded to the Dolphins. Green have no speed. When he brakes out, he get's sucked up like a vacuum cleaner. The only thing I give Green is finding holes, blocks well for QB and catches the ball nicely.

The only problem that I know Williams had was having a pot farm somewhere in Jamaica.Lol. Green has no speed? This guy has always been known for his ability to burn the secondary. I think he's like 3rd on the list for most TD runs over 70 yds.He ran a 4.44 at the combine. Am I saying he still has that speed, no.

But I sure as hell know Ricky doesn't either.And you think a 32 year old yoga instructor who hasn't played in the NFL in over a year is better than Ahman?

Remember, I am talking about Ricky Williams right now. I just don't see the point in getting another back on the wrong side of thirty. especially one who's not played in so long.

[HydrOshocK]

Dude, what the H.E.L.L. you smoking?! Ricky Williams is waaay faster then Green and powerful. When Ricky first came to the NFL they was comparing him to a little Earl Campbell type of runner. But Mike Dika (use to be head coach of Saints) ran Williams wrong and he got hurt, then traded to the Dolphins. Green have no speed. When he brakes out, he get's sucked up like a vacuum cleaner. The only thing I give Green is finding holes, blocks well for QB and catches the ball nicely.

The only problem that I know Williams had was having a pot farm somewhere in Jamaica.

There you go again, pretending to be the expert on our RB situation yet you run away from logic just like you ran from the Ahman Green thread when you were called out. First you wanted to ditch him for Darius Walker, and now Ricky Williams......LOL!

Go ahead and talk it up man, I doubt anyone is taking your analysis seriously at this point anyway. :rolleyes:

[BornOrange]

Ricky will always have a special place in my heart for what he did as a Longhorn. He was a truly dominant college back, and definitely better than Green or Dayne when they were in college. Even now, he would be better than Ron Dayne and possibly better than a healthy Green.

However, his issues make him a risk that isn't worth having him on the team.

[TexasBaller]

I say we get Tiki Barber he still should be in shape and is the best RB out there right now.

[misterpc]

However, his issues make him a risk that isn't worth having him on the team.

There is no risk at all. Its simple, just put a clause in his contract that says if he tests positive for weed then his contract is immediately void. The worst possible outcome is that he tests positive and gets kicked off the team, leaving us right where we are now. The worst possible outcome of signing Ricky is equal to the best possible outcome of not signing him. There is literally no risk as long as the team protects itself in the contract.

[WesmanTexanfan]

i say he plays for free only because we let him smoke..... we got good stuff here anyway and it doesnt cost us, win win!!

[misterpc]

I like the sound of that. It sounded better when I said it just a few posts ago, though. ;)

sometimes repition is the key...

personally I dont see why an NFL player gets banned for smoking weed. Its not a performance enhancing substance.

[misterpc]

i say he plays for free only because we let him smoke..... we got good stuff here anyway and it doesnt cost us, win win!!

Really he should play in California where he can get a perscription. Plus they got better stuff than we do.

[scarsdale]

I'd be all for it. Yes, his presence would mean we'd attrack media coverage and cause a little distraction, but he knows this is it, and he loves Texas, and we have a fellow Horn on our coaching staff. So hopefully he gets it together.

Best case, he contributes and has no issues.

Worst case, he fails another drug test, and we cut him.....and we still have the same RB's as we do now, so I don't see that there is much of a risk.

[Dime]

and how long has ricky been away from football.... your dreaming

[wildroot]

There is no risk at all. Its simple, just put a clause in his contract that says if he tests positive for weed then his contract is immediately void. The worst possible outcome is that he tests positive and gets kicked off the team, leaving us right where we are now. The worst possible outcome of signing Ricky is equal to the best possible outcome of not signing him. There is literally no risk as long as the team protects itself in the contract.

Actually we risk our reputation. I'd like to think that our team places character above winning. We can win with character. Right now I can take my kids to a game without having to explain why we signed a habitual drug offender and I'd like to keep it that way. Winning will be sweeter when it comes without the likes of having Tank, Vick, Ricky and Pacman involved.

Let's win right.

[scarsdale]

and how long has ricky been away from football.... your dreaming

He played in the CFL last year and averaged 4.8 yards per carry

[TyrantTexan]

Can someone please close this thread!!! This is going no where!!!

[misterpc]

Actually we risk our reputation. I'd like to think that our team places character above winning. We can win with character. Right now I can take my kids to a game without having to explain why we signed a habitual drug offender and I'd like to keep it that way.

I think it is way off base to say Ricky has character issues. He is a team player. He is a non-violent, and from what I can tell, genuinely good person. His only flaw is an addiction to weed, its not like he ever tested positive for hard drugs or steriods. I have never heard him say or do anything that isnt kid friendly (besides that he likes to smoke). Nobody is perfect ok, dont you think you are being a little hard on the guy? What about players who commit adultry, should we not let them on our team either? This is the NFL, most of the players are grown men who will engage in behavior that is not PG rated. Even if we dont sign Ricky, your kids will still find out about weed and you will still have to explain to them your views on it.

[edo783]

Bong boy is toast. He wont be playing here nor anywhere else IMO.

[scarsdale]

Can someone please close this thread!!! This is going no where!!!

What's wrong with having a friendly discussion about this? It's not that crazy of an idea. We all know it's highly unlikely we'll sign him, but there's nothing wrong with talking about it.

I'd rather sign Ricky than Priest Holmes like you suggested a few weeks back.

[wildroot]

I think it is way off base to say Ricky has character issues. He is a team player. He is a non-violent, and from what I can tell, genuinely good person. His only flaw is an addiction to weed, its not like he ever tested positive for hard drugs or steriods. I have never heard him say or do anything that isnt kid friendly (besides that he likes to smoke). Nobody is perfect ok, dont you think you are being a little hard on the guy? What about players who commit adultry, should we not let them on our team either? This is the NFL, most of the players are grown men who will engage in behavior that is not PG rated. Even if we dont sign Ricky, your kids will still find out about weed and you will still have to explain to them your views on it.

Obviously most kids know about drugs, but that repeated drug use is rewarded by big money in the NFL is hard to justify. What does that say to our kids.

Last I heard, adultry wasn't illigal. Immoral maybe, but not illigal.

Everytime he buys his dope he's putting money in the pockets of drug dealers so they can buy and sell more. No, that's not a character issue...NOT!!!! And Michael Vick's only flaw is he like to torture dogs. He's not hurting anyone either, right?

Anyway, this loser has had MULTIPLE chances and has repeatedly refused to comply with the NFL policy.

Yeah, he's friendly, most stoners are.

[Towlie]

Sweet finally i could talk too...

[wildroot]

Can someone please close this thread!!! This is going no where!!!

Don't read it then.

There, that was easy.

[misterpc]

Obviously most kids know about drugs, but that repeated drug use is rewarded by big money in the NFL is hard to justify. What does that say to our kids.

Last I heard, adultry wasn't illigal. Immoral maybe, but not illigal.

Everytime he buys his dope he's putting money in the pockets of drug dealers so they can buy and sell more. No, that's not a character issue...NOT!!!! And Michael Vick's only flaw is he like to torture dogs. He's not hurting anyone either, right?

Anyway, this loser has had MULTIPLE chances and has repeatedly refused to comply with the NFL policy.

Yeah, he's friendly, most stoners are.

Repeated drug use is not rewarded by an NFL contract, extraordinary athletic ability is. Thats what it says to the kids, extraordinary athletic ability does not make someone perfect, or a role model. Michael Vick's crimes were sadistic/violent and malicious, that hardly compares to what Ricky did. But here you go judging him and calling him a loser.

What does it tell your kids that you think its ok to have people who commit adultry on the team? Does that mean adultry should be rewarded by lots of money and an NFL contract? What about having alcoholics on the team, is that encouraging your kids to be alcoholics? What about Mario Williams speeding on the freeway in his race car (which is against the law btw), should he be kicked off the team?

[wildroot]

Hey, if this behavior is OK by you, I'm not going to change your mind on this msg board.

I don't put speeding in the same catagory as drug use. Don't think the comish does either. But hey, that's just me.

I simply don't want these character issues on our team.

[misterpc]

Hey, if this behavior is OK by you, I'm not going to change your mind on this msg board.

I simply don't want these bad apples on our team.

My point is, I dont think you can call the guy a bad apple. I bet there are a few players on our team who smoke in the offseason (dunta). Even if you dont find the behavior acceptable personally, that doesnt mean he shouldnt be allowed to play football.

[wildroot]

Repeated drug use is not rewarded by an NFL contract, extraordinary athletic ability is. Thats what it says to the kids, extraordinary athletic ability does not make someone perfect, or a role model. Michael Vick's crimes were sadistic/violent and malicious, that hardly compares to what Ricky did. But here you go judging him and calling him a loser.

What does it tell your kids that you think its ok to have people who commit adultry on the team? Does that mean adultry should be rewarded by lots of money and an NFL contract? What about having alcoholics on the team, is that encouraging your kids to be alcoholics? What about Mario Williams speeding on the freeway in his race car (which is against the law btw), should he be kicked off the team?

No, it says if you've got a skill, you can act anyway you want.

[wildroot]

My point is, I dont think you can call the guy a bad apple. I bet there are a few players on our team who smoke in the offseason (dunta). Even if you dont find the behavior acceptable personally, that doesnt mean he shouldnt be allowed to play football.

Well, I can, I will and I did.
Personally, I'd rather see a bunch of dopers stopping for green lights than drunks running red ones. I just don't want them on our Football team.
The question was asked what we thought about signing Ricky. IMHO, don't.

[mister_doodi]

...without the likes of having Tank, Vick, Ricky and Pacman involved.

Let's win right.

Randy Moss, Terrel Ownens... Boy were they mistakes.

[wildroot]

I didn't realize those two had problems with the law or had multiple suspentions with the league. Guess I could have added them to the list as well. My mistake...LOL

[Rosstafarian]

I endorse any move made by the Texans to get Ricky Williams as the certified bowl packer.

He could also break off a HB Dive every once in awhile, and I bet they could pay him in stems and seeds.

On a serious note, didn't he go to the CFL and not do anything of note at all? Is that somebody who will come in and wreck shop? We might as well just wait on Green getting healthy rather than have him play a game of catch-up that could never end.

[misterpc]

If we could sign Merriman, would you be against it?

[misterpc]

I endorse any move made by the Texans to get Ricky Williams as the certified bowl packer.

He could also break off a HB Dive every once in awhile, and I bet they could pay him in stems and seeds.

On a serious note, didn't he go to the CFL and not do anything of note at all? Is that somebody who will come in and wreck shop? We might as well just wait on Green getting healthy rather than have him play a game of catch-up that could never end.

who is that in your avatar pic? also, i was under the impression he was productive in the CFL.

[scarsdale]

I endorse any move made by the Texans to get Ricky Williams as the certified bowl packer.

He could also break off a HB Dive every once in awhile, and I bet they could pay him in stems and seeds.

On a serious note, didn't he go to the CFL and not do anything of note at all? Is that somebody who will come in and wreck shop? We might as well just wait on Green getting healthy rather than have him play a game of catch-up that could never end.


4.8 YPC after sitting out a couple years...not bad stats

[wildroot]

He had an injury plagued career with Toronto in '06 which amounted to a 109 carries for a little over 500 yrds (meters?) 4.7 per carry. This is against watered down talent on a wide field.

An interesting note is that the CFL inacted a new rule know as the Ricky Williams rule stating that no CFL team can sign any NFL player currently under suspention for drug use. (no *****)

[BornOrange]

4.8 YPC would be good in the NFL, but it is below average in the CFL.

4.2 = NFL average YPC
5.3 = CFL average YPC

It would be the equivalent of averaging 3.8 in the NFL.

[Rosstafarian]

who is that in your avatar pic?

The man in question.

[ubecool454]

the only thing ricky and earl had in common is that they are both longhorns....Earl don't smoke weed, and act like micheal jackson

[Number 34]

the only thing ricky and earl had in common is that they are both longhorns....Earl don't smoke weed, and act like micheal jackson

Looking back, it's an insult that they even compared the two and they should never allow Williams to wear Number 34 again. If they were from the same era, you could hand off to Ricky, then he could jump on Earls back. Earl would then steam his way into the endzone with 4 or 5 defenders latched on to him. The closest Williams will ever be to Earl is when he gets the munchies and bites into one of Campbells hot links.

[sleepwalker]

We need at least one toker on the team. I mean come on. Why would the NFL care anyays. It's not like it's *performance enhancing*.

[3andOUT]

Ricky Williams is a better back then both Dayne and Green. Williams have the power and the quickness through the hole. Ricky is a bad boy, but he needs to straighten his life up with all of that dope crap.

How many more chances does this guy get???

He has natural god-given talent BUT

He is undependable

He is indifferent about football meaning he has said that he doesn't care all taht much for football. When you are a professional athlete you better eat, drink and sleep that sport if you want to be great.

He is a cancer, he brings bad publicity and unwanted attention to off-field issues

Who is to say this guy won't get popped for smoking the ganj again or won't just walk out of football again because he simply doesn't care.

That's the last type of guy we need in our locker room.

[SuperstarII]

We need at least one toker on the team. I mean come on. Why would the NFL care anyays. It's not like it's *performance enhancing*.

or killed anybody while intoxicated..

[txroadking]

I like the sound of that. It sounded better when I said it just a few posts ago, though. ;)

This is EXACTLY my thinking. The guy knows he had his troubles and a added clause in his contract should be expected.. We wouldn't be putting the franchise on his back, as was done in Miami, therefore what risk is there? He's on the team and HELPs us or messes up and we're in the same spot.

[will742]

or killed anybody while intoxicated..

Surely you don't mean pot could cause someone to kill a person?

BTW - I wouldn't be against this. I would rather see us give Darius Walker a chance first though.

[BIG ERN]

This is EXACTLY my thinking. The guy knows he had his troubles and a added clause in his contract should be expected.. We wouldn't be putting the franchise on his back, as was done in Miami, therefore what risk is there? He's on the team and HELPs us or messes up and we're in the same spot.

We need help at RB from somewhere.

[schaubisgod]

One idea that has seemed to evade mention is that we actually invest in a rookie running back next year, rather than put the bulk of our rushing work load on a merely decent running back in his later years. We need to start making long term offensive investments, like we've been doing on defense.

[Nighthawk]

Ricky Williams is a better back then both Dayne and Green. Williams have the power and the quickness through the hole. Ricky is a bad boy, but he needs to straighten his life up with all of that dope crap.

Dear Dopey--

Ricky appears to be a reasonable, thoughtful, slightly eccentric fellow who has been mercilessly drummed out of the NFL the way a number of great backs who were slightly eccentric were drummed out. That he smokes a little dope is a stupid reason to exclude him, considering the high percentage of alcohol abuse, not to mention other kinds of abuse and gunplay nad so on that are mainstream in the league. Ray Lewis should be gone permanently. Pacman is an imbecile and a drunk and a dimestore gangsta. He should be gone. Vick is -- you call it. He should be gone. Tank? THe list is a mile long; it's a league of thugs and worse--read PFT, they're keeping tabs these days.

Williams is no thug. He's just a little peculiar. Cut him some slack and let him back into the game.

He'd do great things for the Texans. Make up (a little bit, anyway) for the VY gaffe.

[misterpc]

I think Ricky would be a good upgrade at the #2 back position. He has proven he can play at a higher level than Dayne, and they are about the same age so thats not an issue. Ricky is by no means a long term solution, but I think he could be a good contributor and fill in in case of injury. Of course, he probably wont be available until another month or two, if ever. Dont forget Goodell still has to approve his reinstatement, and even then Miami will own his rights.

Also I want to say I agree with the poster above me and everyone else who seems to have a reasonable perspective on Ricky's personal choices. Seriously, he would qualify as one of the better characters in my book. IMO, smoking the occassional joint is not nearly as bad as domestic violence, assault, alcohol abuse, weapons offenses, other narcotics violations, and all the rest of the stuff many other players are guilty of.

[HJam72]

Yeah, but it stinks in the locker room! :D

[El Tejano]

Well, the other day about two weeks ago, he was being interviewed on 1300 The Zone. He stated that he is back to his original playing weight at like 225. He said that he has been working his butt off to prepare for his reinstatement and he said he now has a chip on his shoulder to prove to himself and everyone else that he can still play at this level.

Bucky Godbolt who has a show on that station, and was Ricky Williams RB coach at UT stated that he sat down with him and he looks, talks and acts like the old Ricky who wanted to be a dominant RB.

Hey, he can't hurt from what we have now.

[HuttoKarl]

Well, the other day about two weeks ago, he was being interviewed on 1300 The Zone. He stated that he is back to his original playing weight at like 225. He said that he has been working his butt off to prepare for his reinstatement and he said he now has a chip on his shoulder to prove to himself and everyone else that he can still play at this level.

Bucky Godbolt who has a show on that station, and was Ricky Williams RB coach at UT stated that he sat down with him and he looks, talks and acts like the old Ricky who wanted to be a dominant RB.

Hey, he can't hurt from what we have now.


Buck's been Ricky's harshest critic too, so him saying this means a little more than all the other speculation that I've read.

[Number 34]

Williams is no thug. He's just a little peculiar. Cut him some slack and let him back into the game.

He's not a thug, just an idio*. Millions of dollars or weed? What a loser.

[DeclanJr]

I'd like to see what kind of shape he's in. There's no reason to totally rule out the guy. If he'll accept a low salary and clean up his act, it would certainly be an upgrade for this team right now. Ahman Green just cannot stay healthy.

[Number 34]

Quote: He said that he has been working his butt off to prepare for his reinstatement and he said he now has a chip on his shoulder to prove to himself and everyone else that he can still play at this level.

Did he say whether it was a chocolate chip or a potato chip that was on his shoulder? I bet he is high right now and has some serious munchies.

[Dime]

why are we even discussing this? Currently, we have a team FULL of high character, low visibility players. Very few mouths.. lot more action type people. And many of you are discussing how to inject losers of the NFL into our team. Lets keep a higher morale standard here folks. I would rather have a team who gets things done, then a team that might get things done, but causes problems.

[sleepwalker]

I want to win. Forget the character stuff now. I can't take anymore losing.

I have to admit that I would be mad if Ricky had to miss a game against the Colts because he decided to have a few tokes.

However I want to win at all cost. I would take the risk/reward gamble on Williams and Hall at this point.

[TexansTrueFan84]

Dude, what the H.E.L.L. you smoking?! Ricky Williams is waaay faster then Green and powerful. When Ricky first came to the NFL they was comparing him to a little Earl Campbell type of runner. But Mike Dika (use to be head coach of Saints) ran Williams wrong and he got hurt, then traded to the Dolphins. Green have no speed. When he brakes out, he get's sucked up like a vacuum cleaner. The only thing I give Green is finding holes, blocks well for QB and catches the ball nicely.

The only problem that I know Williams had was having a pot farm somewhere in Jamaica.

that was when he first came in. Not today or even yesreday, i mean this dude has been given chaces and screws it up every time, so why would Mr Mcnair even bother ? plus isnt green and williams close to the same age ?

[wildroot]

Why stop with Ricky, let's bring in Maurice Clarett and Lawrence Phillips while we are at it. :confused:

The problem with bringing in Ricky is that you would have to constantly worry about him either getting suspended or injured. The one thing you have to admire about the Texans is that for the most part, they have avoided bringing in guys that have issues off the field. At the very least, lingering issues.

Or quitting on his team like he did in Miami, leaving them in a hell of a lurch.

[wildroot]

sometimes repition is the key...

personally I dont see why an NFL player gets banned for smoking weed. Its not a performance enhancing substance.

Ummmmmm........It's Illegal?

[misterpc]

Ummmmmm........It's Illegal?

speeding on the freeway is illegal. Should we start a petition to ban Mario Williams from the NFL?

[wildroot]

Dude, are you going to sit there and try to say that in your mind there's no difference between a traffic violation and a drug arrest?
Take a minute and think about it.

[misterpc]

Dude, are you going to sit there and try to say that in your mind there's no difference between a traffic violation and a drug arrest?
Take a minute and think about it.

Its all about how you phrase it. Ricky Williams crime was having a plant, a freaking plant that grows in the ground naturally put on this earth by the creator (if you believe in that). Mario Williams was driving recklessly endangering innocent human life. Ricky wasnt risking injury to anyone, the only thing he did "wrong" was not follow our laws regarding a plant. Mario didnt follow our laws regarding public safety. I guarantee you thousands of more people are killed by car accidents every year than marijuana.

[DeclanJr]

Dude, are you going to sit there and try to say that in your mind there's no difference between a traffic violation and a drug arrest?
Take a minute and think about it.

This is semi-unrelated to your post, but I'm not that down on Ricky because of the drug he has been caught using. It isn't a performance enhancer. If anything, it detracts from your performance. If he could stay clean, sign for little money, and have to give it all back if he failed a drug test, then I see it as a win win situation.

[Otisbean]

I would not be opposed to bringing Ricky into the fold. I have never in my life smoked pot, but plenty of my friends do. I don't see a big difference between pot and alcohol honestly. If Ricky were an alcoholic he would still be in the league. Leonard Little killed someone drunk driving and he is still in the league. Lots of athletes in all sports have been busted for DUI and that, to me, is much more serious.

[wildroot]

This is semi-unrelated to your post, but I'm not that down on Ricky because of the drug he has been caught using. It isn't a performance enhancer. If anything, it detracts from your performance. If he could stay clean, sign for little money, and have to give it all back if he failed a drug test, then I see it as a win win situation.

Drugs are drugs. Yes, I understand the difference between smoke-dope and other drugs. Pot makes you stupid, lethargic and forgetful. IMO, we need to stay above all the distractions this would bring and keep our team clean or the next guy wants an exception too. Yeah, I'd like to have a Monster RB, but we'll get one in due time.
I think it's a moot subject as I don't think McNair would even consider this.

I keep thinking the effect the "Lucas-Wiggins and who-ever else was involved" debacle the Rockets went through 20 years ago. Took a championship contending team down to a lottery team for years. And it happened in a flash. It's no good to have this crap anywhere near our team.

[DeclanJr]

Drugs are drugs. Yes, I understand the difference between smoke-dope and other drugs. Pot makes you stupid. IMO, we need to stay above all the distractions this would bring and keep our team clean or the next guy wants an exception too.
I think it's a moot subject as I don't think McNair would even consider this.

I keep thinking the effect the "Lucas-Wiggins and who-ever else was involved" debacle the Rockets went through 20 years ago. Took a championship contending team down to a lottery team for years. And it happened in a flash. It's no good to have this crap anywhere near our team.

OK, I guess you are right. I used to use in college and it got me into nothing but trouble. There is a reason that drugs are illegal.

The incident you cited with the Rockets involved another highly addictive drug that ruins lives and kills people, but I can kind of see the connection.

Bob McNair probably doesn't want it on this team and for the most part this has been a class organization and like you, I would like to keep it that way. It is just tough to watch this team struggle to run the ball.

[wildroot]

OK, I guess you are right. I used to use in college and it got me into nothing but trouble. There is a reason that drugs are illegal.

The incident you cited with the Rockets involved another highly addictive drug that ruins lives and kills people, but I can kind of see the connection.

Bob McNair probably doesn't want it on this team and for the most part this has been a class organization and like you, I would like to keep it that way. It is just tough to watch this team struggle to run the ball.

Patience....we'll get our RB next year when our pockets are full.

[SuperstarII]

Its all about how you phrase it. Ricky Williams crime was having a plant, a freaking plant that grows in the ground naturally put on this earth by the creator (if you believe in that). Mario Williams was driving recklessly endangering innocent human life. Ricky wasnt risking injury to anyone, the only thing he did "wrong" was not follow our laws regarding a plant. Mario didnt follow our laws regarding public safety. I guarantee you thousands of more people are killed by car accidents every year than marijuana.

LOL I have to applaud you for that one. Don't forget tobacco kills and only one recorded death by marijuana. But Texans have already said that they wouldn't look at Ricky Williams if he got permission from the NFL to play.

[misterpc]

2 things

Dude, are you going to sit there and try to say that in your mind there's no difference between a traffic violation and a drug arrest?

Was Ricky ever arrested for drugs? I must have missed it.

Drugs are drugs.

alcohol, caffiene, etc are all drugs. do you take tylenol for a headache? then you take drugs. Its not black and white like you are trying to make it. Some drugs are harmful and ruin lives. Others are considered medicine.

[misterpc]

This is a little off topic, but

only one recorded death by marijuana.

I havent seen this before. Could you link to the death you are talking about?

[DeclanJr]

2 things



Was Ricky ever arrested for drugs? I must have missed it.



alcohol, caffiene, etc are all drugs. do you take tylenol for a headache? then you take drugs. Its not black and white like you are trying to make it. Some drugs are harmful and ruin lives. Others are considered medicine.

They had a special on Dateline or one of those shows the other day and it showed how they are pretty much selling marijuana in stores on the street in California. They showed all these people, mostly college age kids, going to a specific doctor who would give them a prescription and then they would go and pick out whatever they wanted at the store. It was unbelieveable.

[Super Mario Bros]

We could get him probably for a league minimum for the rest of the year.
So after he has 3 or 4 100+ yard games and lets Green take a few less reps and he fails his weed test. We'd still out very little money and wouldn't have to pay him for his suspension. And a fresher Ahman for the playoffs. :)

Thoughts?

[sleepwalker]

Too expensive to wonder if a guy will pass a simple drug test.

[TEXANRED]

We could get him probably for a league minimum for the rest of the year.
So after he has 3 or 4 100+ yard games and lets Green take a few less reps and he fails his weed test. We'd still out very little money and wouldn't have to pay him for his suspension. And a fresher Ahman for the playoffs. :)

Thoughts?

I dont have a problem with Williams.

Bud Adams will apologize to the city of Houston first and admit he was wrong first, but I dont have a problem with Williams.

[schaubisgod]

He would probably be active for about two games before he failed a drug test. Not worth the effort.

[WesmanTexanfan]

do it

[sleepwalker]

I thought about this some more. I have changed my mind. If we can make it happen for the league minimum then lets do it.

Is this even possible. I would like to see hard data on this subject, real numbers.

[B420tx]

How much weed can you buy on the league minimum anyway?

[HJam72]

OK, here's your contract:

League minimum.
You don't play a game, we don't pay.
We don't pay until you get a lump sum, after the season ends.
All your pay will be in U.S. dollars. Not in baggies.
You miss more than one game at a time, we pay somebody to break your legs and we put you on IR. :D

[B420tx]

OK, here's your contract:

League minimum.
You don't play a game, we don't pay.
We don't pay until you get a lump sum, after the season ends.
All your pay will be in U.S. dollars. Not in baggies.
You miss more than one game at a time, we pay somebody to break your legs and we put you on IR. :D

No thanks, High Times just accepted my application

-Ricky

[BIG ERN]

Bring him here

[wildroot]

Don't do it! It would be a huge distraction in the locker room, the last thing we need as we're building a team.

[infantrycak]

The Dolphins still hold his rights. He is not a FA.

[bigcarlos]

I dont have a problem with Williams.

Bud Adams will apologize to the city of Houston first and admit he was wrong first, .
LMAO

[BIG ERN]

Ask him to bring sample for all us simple folk.

[B420tx]

The Dolphins still hold his rights. He is not a FA.

Can I still make jokes about the quantity of marijuana you can get with the league minimum?

[TEXANottoMAN]

As long as we don't have anymore games on grass - turf only

[koshea]

Can I still make jokes about the quantity of marijuana you can get with the league minimum?

rofl, dude, with leauge minimum you can swim in some DANK pot and still be loaded, pot isnt like other drugs, its not that expensive.....secondly, do you really think ricky williams would be that effective?....i dont personally, after years of sub par NFL canada opponents, and smoking pot, hes not ready for the modern NFL....i duno,, this would be a bad idea


but congrats, the creater of this thread wins the prize for starting the 100th ricky williams thread in the past 4 days!!!!!!!


*~*~*~-confetti drops-~*~*~*

[B420tx]

I just like poking fun, its all good :). *Imagines Ricky filling his swimming pool with ziggy's*

[koshea]

rofl, id liek to smoke with ricky, id constantly make fun of him for wasting his ability and what could have been a hall of fame carreer

[Texanf@n]

ricky williams? Ahuh.......no.

[3andOUT]

Why don't we just go ahead and sign a pot plant instead. You're getting the same thing and it's gonna cost you alot less....plus I doubt the pot plant has failed 4 drug tests yet.

[BIG ERN]

SMOKE ....SMOKE ON!!!!Where are ya Ricky??

[O.G.]

So let me get this straight, the main reason we wouldn't get Ricky is because he would be a distraction due to his off field issue of smoking weed? How exactly would Ricky be a distraction if he wouldn't be counted on as being the starting running back? Let's put the weed issue aside, a large portion of the league has done it in sense or another and 3 of the top 10 in this years draft including the hell on wheels we drafted with 3 sacks admitted to doing it as well and we still drafted him. I'm not one of those "It's not Ricky's Fault" bandwagon, but if the man is in the form he was in pre Ricky melt down mode and he comes in a very reasonable price, why not get him. If he doesn't work out, cut him. Yeah I know Miami owns his rights, but no one is going to give up a pick for Ricky and Miami will release him to earn a spot somewhere to help pay them back. So with that being said, can anyone find a reason other than the weed to not give this guy a look?

[3andOUT]

So let me get this straight, the main reason we wouldn't get Ricky is because he would be a distraction due to his off field issue of smoking weed? How exactly would Ricky be a distraction if he wouldn't be counted on as being the starting running back? Let's put the weed issue aside, a large portion of the league has done it in sense or another and 3 of the top 10 in this years draft including the hell on wheels we drafted with 3 sacks admitted to doing it as well and we still drafted him. I'm not one of those "It's not Ricky's Fault" bandwagon, but if the man is in the form he was in pre Ricky melt down mode and he comes in a very reasonable price, why not get him. If he doesn't work out, cut him. Yeah I know Miami owns his rights, but no one is going to give up a pick for Ricky and Miami will release him to earn a spot somewhere to help pay them back. So with that being said, can anyone find a reason other than the weed to not give this guy a look?

Ummmm...how about him not having played good football in like 4 years??? I never said he would be a distraction, it's possible he could be. In fact, if we signed him a lot of people on these boards would be absolutely ECSTATIC that the Texans are actually getting coverage by mainstream national media.

And to your point that tons of other people have smoked....you are right. Other people in the league have smoked, but HOW MANY OF THEM FAILED DRUG TEST AFTER DRUG TEST AND WERE DEALT SUSPENSIONS.

Also, I hadn't even touched this yet. The guy has actually come out and said he doesn't even really like playing pro football. He lacks discipline, self control, and most of all motivation. How many of you people out there would be willing to give up valuable draft picks (that can be used on people who enjoy playing the game of football) for an unmotivated back that hasn't put on pads in like 5 years???

[austintexanite]

I wouldn't mind him, but I severly doubt the organization will sign him.

[outofhnd]

I think we would run the ball with Mario Williams before we signed Ricky Williams. He only wants to get reinstated so he can keep his money...

[CPTTexan]

Ummmm...how about him not having played good football in like 4 years??? I never said he would be a distraction, it's possible he could be. In fact, if we signed him a lot of people on these boards would be absolutely ECSTATIC that the Texans are actually getting coverage by mainstream national media.

Also, I hadn't even touched this yet. The guy has actually come out and said he doesn't even really like playing pro football. He lacks discipline, self control, and most of all motivation. How many of you people out there would be willing to give up valuable draft picks (that can be used on people who enjoy playing the game of football) for an unmotivated back that hasn't put on pads in like 5 years???

I'll comment on Ricky Williams not having played in 4 or 5 years, because I'm not for or against him whether he's on our team or not. The following is his Career Stats per nfl.com:

Season Team Rushing Receiving Fumbles
G GS Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Long TD FUM Lost
2006 Miami Dolphins 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2005 Miami Dolphins 12 3 168 743 4.4 35 6 17 93 5.5 19 0 1 1
2003 Miami Dolphins 16 16 392 1,372 3.5 45 9 50 351 7.0 59 1 7 5
2002 Miami Dolphins 16 16 383 1,853 4.8 63T 16 47 363 7.7 52 1 7 5
2001 New Orleans Saints 16 16 313 1,245 4.0 46 6 60 511 8.5 42 1 8 6
2000 New Orleans Saints 10 10 248 1,000 4.0 26T 8 44 409 9.3 24 1 6 3
1999 New Orleans Saints 12 12 253 884 3.5 25 2 28 172 6.1 29 0 6 3
TOTAL 1,757 7,097 4.0 63 47 246 1,899 7.7 59 4 35 23

Obviously, he's played within the last 2 years.... 2007-2005 = 2!

Like I said, I'm not for or against him on our team. If he comes in and produces at a reasonable rate without locker room or off field drama, then I would be okay with him being here.

And like somebody on here said...nobody is going to risk a draft pick on him, so the Dolphins would have to cut him before he sees any other team truly interested in him unless that particular team is overly desperate.

[bigsherv]

bring him on!

[O.G.]

Ummmm...how about him not having played good football in like 4 years??? I never said he would be a distraction, it's possible he could be. In fact, if we signed him a lot of people on these boards would be absolutely ECSTATIC that the Texans are actually getting coverage by mainstream national media.

And to your point that tons of other people have smoked....you are right. Other people in the league have smoked, but HOW MANY OF THEM FAILED DRUG TEST AFTER DRUG TEST AND WERE DEALT SUSPENSIONS.

Also, I hadn't even touched this yet. The guy has actually come out and said he doesn't even really like playing pro football. He lacks discipline, self control, and most of all motivation. How many of you people out there would be willing to give up valuable draft picks (that can be used on people who enjoy playing the game of football) for an unmotivated back that hasn't put on pads in like 5 years???

Hmmmmm, can we say Travis Henry everyone! That was a response to your statement as to how many, that was just one in the past two weeks. Next, if he wrote Gadell a letter asking for reinstatement, that means he wants to come back. Third point, you are correct, he lacks everything you said. With that being said, a change of scenery can do wonders. The coaching staff in the last reign didn't do squat. Funny how a player with all that talent doesn't do squat with one coaching staff (Sabin) and has close to 2000 yards with another coaching staff. Now my final point, not once did I say give up a draft pic on the guy, I said if you get him for a reasonable price. Oh and if memory serves me correctly he did play in Canada last year. Might not have been for long, but he did play.

[3andOUT]

Hmmmmm, can we say Travis Henry everyone! That was a response to your statement as to how many, that was just one in the past two weeks. Next, if he wrote Gadell a letter asking for reinstatement, that means he wants to come back. Third point, you are correct, he lacks everything you said. With that being said, a change of scenery can do wonders. The coaching staff in the last reign didn't do squat. Funny how a player with all that talent doesn't do squat with one coaching staff (Sabin) and has close to 2000 yards with another coaching staff. Now my final point, not once did I say give up a draft pic on the guy, I said if you get him for a reasonable price. Oh and if memory serves me correctly he did play in Canada last year. Might not have been for long, but he did play.

Yes, there have been many people to fail drug tests but most of them aren't stupid and correct the problem. They get caught and do whatever they have to do to not get caught again. He failed test after test after test, which tells me he's either stupid (doesn't seem stupid), he doesn't care or he just enjoys thumbing his nose at the system.

All that being said, scenery can certainly have a positive effect on production. But my biggest concern would be that he is not NFL game-ready or game-conditioned. So he played Canadian football last year....so what. Everybody in the league played football last year somewhere and they had to show up for training camp, get in shape, learn systems and do everything else players have to do to get ready for a new season.

[Super Mario Bros]

Why don't we just go ahead and sign a pot plant instead. You're getting the same thing and it's gonna cost you alot less....plus I doubt the pot plant has failed 4 drug tests yet.

The pot plant isn't a pro bowl caliber back when he's on the field.

[Super Mario Bros]

Ummmm...how about him not having played good football in like 4 years??? I never said he would be a distraction, it's possible he could be. In fact, if we signed him a lot of people on these boards would be absolutely ECSTATIC that the Texans are actually getting coverage by mainstream national media.



In 2005 Williams for the Dolphins after serving a 4 game suspension to start the season had 168 carries for 743 yards (4.4 avg) and 6 TD's. He had 172 yards rushing in Week 16 and 108 in Week 17.

It should also be noted that all of Williams failed tests have come during the offseason and he seems to be pretty focused during the season.

In 2006 during his NFL suspension, he played in the CFL and had 109 carries for 526 yards and caught 19 passes for 127 yards before breaking his left arm.

So he can still be a very good player.

[txroadking]

If and when Ricky gets reinstated and then when he gets on the field and provides a jumpstart to SOMEBODIES running game... Remember what you said.. because if it was a "Hell No!" then maybe you should think twice about judging people.. If given a chance he will make that teams running game BETTER.

I'm just sayin'