Anyone read the paper? Faggins front page of Sports...

[BATTL3_R3D]

It is pretty bad(yea I know we have a thread about him) that he is playing bad enough to have Hoke write how "good he is". He goes on record in the article saying:

"Petey thought he'd tipped the ball away, " Hoke said., "But then Smith comes around behind him and finds a way to make the catch. Bad luck. Not everyone could of done that"

As well as saying that Harrison only had 53yds, and no TD's so that was a win for Faggins.

What next, the mayor making a public address about him being a good CB?

[Sarg]

He's a lot better than he gets credit for on these boards, so I don't see the problem with it.

[BATTL3_R3D]

He isn't BAD at all, as a #3 as a 2...he sucks.

[jppaul]

He just doesn't have the speed or athletecism to compete as a number 2. I think he has big play ability as a nickel though.

[Grid]

fact of the matter is that he is not good enough to stand up to the elite wide receivers in the league. As a #2 CB he would probably be just fine in most games, but we dont use our CBs in a way that makes #1 and #2 mean anything. Each CB covers one side of the field, so Faggins will cover whoever is on his side, regardless of whether or not they are the #1 WR or the #2 WR.

Bottom line..we need to upgrade the position and use Faggins as a very very good nickle CB.

[Sprtsfanatic]

fact of the matter is that he is not good enough to stand up to the elite wide receivers in the league. As a #2 CB he would probably be just fine in most games, but we dont use our CBs in a way that makes #1 and #2 mean anything. Each CB covers one side of the field, so Faggins will cover whoever is on his side, regardless of whether or not they are the #1 WR or the #2 WR.

Bottom line..we need to upgrade the position and use Faggins as a very very good nickle CB.

EXACTLY

[sleepwalker]

He's all we have now. What is the point whining about it every day? Smith, Harrison, Wayne are all great. Petey is a #3.

[edo783]

fact of the matter is that he is not good enough to stand up to the elite wide receivers in the league. As a #2 CB he would probably be just fine in most games, but we dont use our CBs in a way that makes #1 and #2 mean anything. Each CB covers one side of the field, so Faggins will cover whoever is on his side, regardless of whether or not they are the #1 WR or the #2 WR.

Bottom line..we need to upgrade the position and use Faggins as a very very good nickle CB.

Spot on. I have never understood the same side field thing and not rotate to the best CB on the the best WR.

[misterpc]

fact of the matter is that he is not good enough to stand up to the elite wide receivers in the league. As a #2 CB he would probably be just fine in most games, but we dont use our CBs in a way that makes #1 and #2 mean anything. Each CB covers one side of the field, so Faggins will cover whoever is on his side, regardless of whether or not they are the #1 WR or the #2 WR.

Bottom line..we need to upgrade the position and use Faggins as a very very good nickle CB.

This is a very generous assesment of Faggins. I think he would make a serviceable nickleback, but "very very good" is a bit of a stretch. Im not convinced that his biggest problem is athleticism either. Sure he's not spectacular in that dept, but he's average. He doesnt have the cunning to make the plays that you want in a starting corner. The tip against Smith was decent coverage. However I have seen Petey give up numerous completions when he was in position to make a play. I dont want to get rid of him cuz i like i said he would make a serviceable #3, but he just does not have what it takes to be a#2 corner in this league.

[Marcus]

Spot on. I have never understood the same side field thing and not rotate to the best CB on the the best WR.

It's real easy to just tell your #1 CB to be a spy on a certain player, whether he lines up in the left outside, left slot, right outside, right slot, or out of the backfield, as Steve Smith was doing that game. What is hard is getting everyone else on the same page as to where to go when your "spy" moves.

And when he was covering Marvin Harrison, everyone was *****ing about the cushion he was givng. I'd rather he give the cushion instead of playing him tight and getting burnt deep.

Whatever you think of Faggins, he's the best they have to play the #2 this season. He is what he is, and you go with what you got.

This I'll predict with absolute certainty. If Faggins goes down with an injury, and you jump and down with joy that he's finally out of there, it will be no time at all before you'll pleading for him to get well.

He's the starting #2 for good reason.

[Wolf123]

He's a much better player then people around here think, and I don't know of many #2 cornerbacks that can stand up to Elite WR like Steve Smith and Marvin Harrison. For all those people that wanted Leon hall to fix our secondary problems just look at how good he's doing! Leon hall is alot like Faggins they both lack top end speed and athletism.

[DiehardChris]

Everyone keeps mentioning that Faggins didn't give up much against Harrison. That's misleading, because all he did the whole game long was protect against getting burned deep - thus he gave up his patented 12 yard cushion the entire game. The Colts didn't need to exploit that until the very end, when they locked the game up with that 3rd down conversion to Harrison against Faggins. Up until that point, they were moving the ball easily, and didn't need to feed it to Harrison on every play (though they clearly could have).

What makes him bad is that he can't cover his man one on one, and it limits the Texans opportunities to blitz and be aggressive. He's so bad that he changes the entire team's defensive scheme. If we had blitzed Peyton last week, Harrison probably would have had 175 yards and 2 TDs or more.

It just sucks because there's no alternative right now. Bennet is too young, Fletcher simply isn't good enough, and there are no stud CB's just floating around as free agents. He, along with the DB unit as a whole, are our most glaring weakness right now. It's gonna be that way all year long, unfortunately.

[Wolf123]

I would love it if someone could tell me a #2 cornerback who could actualy cover Marvin harrison. The texans didn't blitz against the colts because manning is a genius and would have killed us!

[DiehardChris]

I would love it if someone could tell me a #2 cornerback who could actualy cover Marvin harrison. The texans didn't blitz against the colts because manning is a genius and would have killed us!

You act like the only criticism of Faggins is from the Colts and Panters games. This has been going on for as long as he's been a starter. Peyton is a genius and he would have killed us with blitzes - but we made it even easier on him by not being able to apply significant pressure. Yeah, we had 'better' pressure in the second half, but never really came realistically close to rattling Peyton.

[Marcus]

It just sucks because there's no alternative right now. Bennet is too young, Fletcher simply isn't good enough, and there are no stud CB's just floating around as free agents. He, along with the DB unit as a whole, are our most glaring weakness right now. It's gonna be that way all year long, unfortunately.

I just don't understand why this is such a surprise to everybody. It's as if this is a stunning development or something.

Kubiak and Smith have not had the time to address every need. They both have stated we're at least a couple more drafts away to be a good football team.

[Wolf123]

I still haven't heard one #2 cornerback who can stop marvin harrison? All we should be going on is this season, do you not remember how many yards we gave up in the first 4 games while petey was injured!

[DiehardChris]

I just don't understand why this is such a surprise to everybody. It's as if this is a stunning development or something.

Kubiak and Smith have not had the time to address every need. They both have stated we're at least a couple more drafts away to be a good football team.

I couldn't agree with you more. This is nothing new.

[Wolf123]

I'm sorry but were not two years away from being a good football team. Were a good football team now, we may be two years away from being great but good, no.

[DiehardChris]

I still haven't heard one #2 cornerback who can stop marvin harrison? All we should be going on is this season, do you not remember how many yards we gave up in the first 4 games while petey was injured!

It's irrelevant to the conversation. But if you need to hear it - no, there's no #2 CB in the league that can consistently stop Peyton-to-Harrison.

Now, back on topic - remember last year when Buffalo went buck wild on our secondary in the first quarter? It's not a new problem. People have been crushing Faggins for a long time now.

[Wolf123]

It is relevent, you think faggins is garbage b/c he didn't play well against Steve smith, Lee evans, Marvin harrison. And I'm saying that no #2 cornerback in the league would play those two well! Also faggins only allowed on of the 77 yard bombs last year, the other was on CC brown.

[misterpc]

I still haven't heard one #2 cornerback who can stop marvin harrison?

Are you familiar with the Denver Broncos? I believe they are playing the Colts tomorrow. Im not saying they will shut down Harrison/Wayne/Peyton, I doubt that is even possible. But they have an excellent pair of corners.

[DiehardChris]

It is relevent, you think faggins is garbage b/c he didn't play well against Steve smith, Lee evans, Marvin harrison. And I'm saying that no #2 cornerback in the league would play those two well! Also faggins only allowed on of the 77 yard bombs last year, the other was on CC brown.

Wrong again. I actually got curious and watched the highlights for that game on nfl.com. It was Faggins on both passes. Nice try, though.

[Wolf123]

Yes and they don't have a #2 CB that can cover Marvin harrison!

[DiehardChris]

I think their #2 is Dre Bly.

[Wolf123]

No, I'm not wrong. Both kubiak and C.C brown said that there was suppose to be Safety help over the top.

[misterpc]

Yes and they don't have a #2 CB that can cover Marvin harrison!

Dre Bly is their #2

[Wolf123]

You are correct about the whole act of God thing, and Bly isn't a very good cornerback, he gets beat all the time and only has good stats because he gambles all the time.

[misterpc]

wolf, Im going to flip your question around. Can you name for me a #2 corner that is worse than Petey Faggins?

[misterpc]

OOOOOHHHH OOOOOOHHHH Pick Me Pick Me!!!!!!

yes, allday do you have something to share with the class?

[Wolf123]

Leon hall, Eric Wright, Kenny Wright and I haven't even gone through the teams really.

[Wolf123]

I know they've started him a few game. But yes he's also plays nickle.

[Wolf123]

Its because he lacks speed and thats the main reason I didn't want the texans to draft him.

[Wolf123]

If I remember correctly I got into alot of serious arguments with people wanting him and me wanting Okoye. I think its safe to say that I was right!

[Wolf123]

FYI, Darrel Revis doesn't have great speed either, but he's much more fluid then hall.

[DiehardChris]

If I remember correctly I got into alot of serious arguments with people wanting him and me wanting Okoye. I think its safe to say that I was right!

Whoa, really. I wish I had joined the board sooner, because I would have backed you up 100% on that for sure. The only player in the first round that I would have wanted over Okoye (aside from Calvin Johnson) was LaRon Landry. Though a strong case could have also been made for that LT who went to Cleveland.

Anyway - I'm glad we ended up with Okoye. SO much upside.

[Wolf123]

I could have used your support!! For me it was Peterson,laundry,Okoye, Willis!

[misterpc]

Jason David of NO

David is a young CB who played in a zone scheme for his entire career (and played pretty succesfully too). Its his first season in a man to man scheme, and he is adjusting. However, I would take David over Faggins in a heartbeat. In only three games this season David already has 12 solo tackles, a forced fumble, an INT, and a TD. Sorry allday, try again.

[Wolf123]

Sorry buddy but I can assure you that the texans are not drafting a WR in the first round this year!!

[Wolf123]

Sorry to burst your dreams but the only way your going to see an explosive offensive player taken is if the texans draft a Running back. Our offense doesn't need two first round WR.

[Wolf123]

I'm just telling whats going to happen. I'm very good at knowing what the texans will do when it comes to the draft, and I'm just letting you know that they won't be taking a WR in round 1. They will be looking for RB, S, CB. These are there most pressing needs.

[Wolf123]

Thats the same thing everyone told me last year, and the year before and once again they were all wrong. I'm not saying I know the exact position the texans will take but I do know that they won't take a WR in the first round. Kubiak has stated how his offense works and it doesn't need two playmaking WR.

[misterpc]

I'm just telling whats going to happen. I'm very good at knowing what the texans will do when it comes to the draft, and I'm just letting you know that they won't be taking a WR in round 1. They will be looking for RB, S, CB. These are there most pressing needs.

you forgot OL. The Texans will draft BPA, but I would be extremely surprised if the first pick is anything other than DB or OL (unless we make big moves before the draft to fill those positions). RB is a priority but Kubiak likes get them in the middle/late rounds. WR is also a priority but with the emergence of JJ I dont see us getting one in the first round.

[Wolf123]

No team drafts the best available player and the texans won't either. OL is a need sorry I left that one off.

[Wolf123]

Okay, I know were going to disagree about thing and thats what this message board is about. To clarify my statement, absolutely no team picks just the best player available. The only time I've seen this is witht the lions and even they picked up WR b/c they were worried about rogers not b/c mike williams was the best player. Teams set up there needs and then rank them with the best available players. No one take back to back QB in drafts just because one is the best available player.

[DiehardChris]

Gee, look what happened. We blitzed and what happened? Faggins once again was turned into human toast by Roddy freaking White.

[SuperstarII]

I'm just telling whats going to happen. I'm very good at knowing what the texans will do when it comes to the draft, and I'm just letting you know that they won't be taking a WR in round 1. They will be looking for RB, S, CB. These are there most pressing needs.

ahahahaha stop calling the miss cleo network. She is a fraud

[SuperstarII]

Gee, look what happened. We blitzed and what happened? Faggins once again was turned into human toast by Roddy freaking White.

faggins the hobbit strikes again

[DiehardChris]

And we blitz again - and Faggins has to resort to pass interference to stop the easy TD.

If this doesn't convince you, nothing will... and it's only the first half. Sigh.

At this point though, the entire defense is terrible, so it can't be all on Faggins.