The Official Get Rid Of Dayne Thread

[SuperstarII]

it goes to show you guys who have heisman trophy winners in college don't make it in the NFL. Why did we get rid of Lundy in the first place?!:mad:

[GP]

Not Dayne's fault that he has been given crappy playcalling by his coaches.

He's not to blame here.

They had us sniffed out all game long, SuperstarII.

[DeclanJr]

It wasn't Dayne that killed us. Dayne actually had a decent YPC avg. We got down because Harrington was throwing the ball all over the field and Faggins was committing stupid penalties. We were forced to throw the ball and their D-Line exposed our offensive line. Schaub was hurried way too often and plays could not play out.

[misterpc]

worst thread ever. seriously, go slap yourself.

[Sprtsfanatic]

forget that, this isnt the worst thread....take that 25yd run away from dayne and he did absolutely nothing all game long. There were several KEY 3rd and 1 and 4 and 1's and he could not pick up ONE FREAKING YARD. That pitch at the end of the game was WIDE OPEN UNTIL HE BOBBLED THE CATCH AND KICKED THE BALL ALL OVER THE FIELD...DAYNE NEEDS TO GO PERIOD.

[SuperstarII]

worst thread ever. seriously, go slap yourself.

seriously even the anouncers said he wasn't doing well. You guys go OD on prozac. he couldn't even get a first down on 3rd and one.

[BIG ERN]

Bad play calling

[DeclanJr]

are you freakin kiddin me???? did kubs bobble and drop the ball or did dayne?

get out of here please

Andre, that was a terrible play call to toss it to Dayne. We were on the half yard line...a QB sneak would have worked just fine. Why take the chance that the RB bobbles the ball well behind the line of scrimmage.

[SuperstarII]

Andre, that was a terrible play call to toss it to Dayne. We were on the half yard line...a QB sneak would have worked just fine. Why take the chance that the RB bobbles the ball well behind the line of scrimmage.

it was both of their faults. Green would of not have bobbled that play.

[GP]

are you freakin kiddin me???? did kubs bobble and drop the ball or did dayne?

get out of here please

Are YOU kidding me?

Look at the replay, moron. Multiple Falcons defenders were already flaring out to rock Dayne's world...it;s why he bobbled the ball, because he saw they had sniffed out and he knew it was tough sledding even if he holds onto the ball...you weren't watching the game at that point. You couldn;t have been watching that play.

Had you been watching, you would have seen a defense that was sniffing out everything all game long.

No amount of talent is going to overcome a defense that is one step ahead of the offense.

Sorry, amazingandre...this one wasn't on Dayne. It rests squarely on the playcalling, specifically the booth guy who gives Kubiak the plays that we should run. That guy was off his rocker today, and he was off his worker last week too.

Period.

[Sprtsfanatic]

Andre, that was a terrible play call to toss it to Dayne. We were on the half yard line...a QB sneak would have worked just fine. Why take the chance that the RB bobbles the ball well behind the line of scrimmage.

wrong...on the toss play we were no longer on the 1/2 yd line...we lost that position when we handed the ball off and he lost a yard and then followed with a penalty....

[SuperstarII]

w.e defend the player all you want the play choice was great he had green and then bobbled it and guys were there and then he dropped it....if he catches it right off the bat he gets in

I agree with you on that if Green was there he would of made that play. I can't wait for our key players to come back.

[GP]

I guess Dayne is at fault for us not going for the TD instead of a FG?

I guess Dayne is at fault for us running sweeps and pitches and misdirection runs when the shortest distance between two points is a straight line?

Look at the Schaub keeper that almost got us a TD--Straight line.

I guess Dayne is at fault for not allowing Schaub to run a QB keeper for a TD on the 1 or 2 yard line?

[TexansFight the original]

I would have thrown that fat POS on to the curb after today's game if I was GM or coach. Cut the fat (literally) and get rid of this joke of footbally player. Instead of using his heft to push the pile forward he fancies himself to be a shifty running back instead of hitting the ****ing hole like he should. I hate him. Throw Salaam out to. Now that McKinney is gone he is the weak link. He always gets a holding call at the worst possible times.

[SuperstarII]

I guess Dayne is at fault for us not going for the TD instead of a FG?

I guess Dayne is at fault for us running sweeps and pitches and misdirection runs when the shortest distance between two points is a straight line?

Look at the Schaub keeper that almost got us a TD--Straight line.

I guess Dayne is at fault for not allowing Schaub to run a QB keeper for a TD on the 1 or 2 yard line?

the field goal was on 3rd and one near the goal line was kubes fault. He didn't trust dayne to go for it.

[GP]

no i have the game on dvr and im watching the play right now! the defenders bit on the fake to the right and dayne had room....he bobbled it and they caught up to him....when he pitched it i was standing and yelling cuz he weas in....then he dropped it...again not kubs fault dayne cant hang onto the pitch

no no no no.

The reverse end zone replay clearly shows at least TWO defenders who made maybe one step to the left, but then they corrected and were already keying on Dayne when the pitch was at Dayne's hands.

Dayne was not a yard or two out when the ball hit his hands on the pitch...he had a good 5 yards or so and he's not going to make it to the goal line, IMO, even if he gets the ball.

Sorry, I just think the playcalling in the red zone was atrocious today.

We can sling it between the 20s all day to Walter, Daniels, and Davis..but we just develop alzheimers at the 5 or 2.

[misterpc]

Stats Inc. keeps track of often a running back is "Stuffed" at or behind the line of scrimmage. It's not a perfect stat, but avoiding lost-yardage is a premium skill of goal-line backs. Ron Dayne led the NFL last season in the category. Check your facts pal. Last season he was the most reliable running back in the NFL for picking up guaranteed positive yardage.

[GP]

dude it didnt matter we were down by 10...we needed both....get the fg and get the ball then score....if you dont score like we didnt then it doesnt matter....ITS CALLED A FAKEA and it worked if he could catch

You proved my point: Dayne didn't chicken out and call a FG earlier.

Our booth guy and Kubiak did.

They failed this team for two straight weeks, IMO. All this talk about us not having Ahman and AJ is OK, but let's not let the playcallers off the hook OK?

They had their chances to do something different than (A) The Green Bay fake handoff and pitch that we run every game, and (B) The bootleg play that we also use all the time in that sort of goal line situation.

We had two chances (3rd down and 4th down) on both situations to get a TD. That's all there is to it. Period.

Run it up the gut--whether it's Cook, Leach, Schaub, Dayne---I dont' care, but just get the three feet and get it over with.

This was like when I was in junior high and had a girl who flirted with me all year, and I asked her out and she said "No thanks," and that was that. What were all the notes about? What was up with all the looks at me during class? Kubiak and his staff flirted all game long instead of just getting to the point of the game: Hold hands, kiss, and tell the whole school that you are going steady.

What a flirt he was. But never sealed the deal with a kiss.

[GP]

Again: Dayne is only as good as the playcalling behind him.

The Falcons D had us pegged all game long. They clocked us, they scouted us, they knew our every move.

We're stinking lucky to have even put up 16 points, IMO.

I knew we were going to run that bootleg at some point, and I also knew that we were going to run that Green Bay pitch, too. If I knew it, sitting here on my rear...how much MORE does the Falcons D see it coming?

We have predictable playcalling.

And then, here's the BEST one of the whole game: Emptying the backfield on 3rd and long! Gee, I saw that last week vs. Colts too. They just both pinned their ears back on us.

Amateur hour on the playcalling, and that means bad business for our players.


Meanwhile, David Carr is stinking it up right now vs. Tampa Bay. So maybe he'll keep it up and I can get SOME sort of consolation out of this day.

[GP]

ya cuz they didnt think that wed run it up the gut right....w/e the players screwed up the play and we should blame kubs cuz he called that play...nice logic

I don;t even think Schaub had a keepr called, amazingandre.

I think he saw a busted playcall and he made a split-second call on his own.

He saw what 99% of us saw today: Bad playcalling.

And he took it upon himself to keep it and get the yards himself...because he was NOT going to get a pass off, I can tell you that.

I seriously do not think that QB keeper was the play that was called...but the man was in motion and there was NO changing the play at that point, sort of like in Back To The Future III where the water tower is that last chance to ditch the Delorian: Schaub knew the gig was up, and he took it himself. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Please do not tell me you think the coaches would call a QB keepr on 3rd and long with a D line stacked up with practically all the players waiting to grease Schaub at the snap?

[GP]

Think real hard on my last post.

You really think the coaches had an emptied backfield QB keeper called on 3rd and long?

LOL.

This was the second straight week of a train-wreck playcalling effort.

End of story.

[SuperstarII]

dude he dropped back and went to throw...noone was openand the pocket was closing so he ran...tons of qbs do this when no one is open...wth r u talkin about now? how do we go from dayne not catching the ball to schaub running it when no one is open?

He is just trying to defend dayne. Dayne had one good game against the colts last year. he must be back on the triple cheeseburgers this year.

[GP]

dude he dropped back and went to throw...noone was openand the pocket was closing so he ran...tons of qbs do this when no one is open...wth r u talkin about now? how do we go from dayne not catching the ball to schaub running it when no one is open?

We go there because ALL our players were a step behind due to the poor playcalling today.

NO amount of talent will overcome bad playcalling.

Never, ever.

We were clocked, we were stopped, that's it.

Think about it: The deep passes to Davis were the only thing that was successful today, and it was due to pure desperation and luck that we got those. Everything else was so very predictable.

Were you really THAT enchanted and mesmerized by the fantastic playcalling and in-game decision making by our coaches today? Cuz I could see the coaches going back to the hotel at halftime, letting the players do the heavy lifting and call their own plays, and we might have had a chance.

[GP]

He is just trying to defend dayne. Dayne had one good game against the colts last year. he must be back on the triple cheeseburgers this year.

NOt defending Dayne here.

But I am not going to let someone scapegoat the guy.

Puh-leeeeeze.

Let's not even get on the topic of all the FB pass plays that were called.

We should have gone to Davis and Owens until they STOPPED it. Heck, even WALTER got behind the coverage and outran a defender...further proof that the playcalling was lacking--We had the pass game all day today, but chose to be bullheaded and say "No, we're going to establish the run..." and then they had the gall to try and get "crafty" with the stinking run plays, instead of just running it down their throats on the 2 yard line.

B-a-d playcalling trumped our entire team's effort.

[SuperstarII]

We go there because ALL our players were a step behind due to the poor playcalling today.

NO amount of talent will overcome bad playcalling.

Never, ever.

We were clocked, we were stopped, that's it.

Think about it: The deep passes to Davis were the only thing that was successful today, and it was due to pure desperation and luck that we got those. Everything else was so very predictable.

Were you really THAT enchanted and mesmerized by the fantastic playcalling and in-game decision making by our coaches today? Cuz I could see the coaches going back to the hotel at halftime, letting the players do the heavy lifting and call their own plays, and we might have had a chance.


ummmmm.......


I thnk you are mistaking poor play execution with play calling. It doesn't matter what play you call, but if you players aren't focused the play can turn into fizz.

[SuperstarII]

You're being WAY too polite towards Ron Dayne. I can't post exactly how I feel towards him on the message boards though.

yeah i myself agree with you. I don't want to get banned. LOL

[sleepwalker]

Harrington marches up and down the field and you people are mad about play calling.

I just don't understand your logic.

[austintexanite]

Our playcalling is what killed us today. We were outcoached.

[Texan's Blue]

Dayne averaged 4.3 yards per carry. You can't ask for more than that. I will question 3 run plays in a row to open the game. That makes me sick every time I see it.

[GP]

I'm still not budging.

Bad playcalling.

[Pantherstang84]

I'm still not budging.

Bad playcalling.

I agree bro. However, I bet if someone told Dayne there was a twinkie in the end zone. He would have rushed for 3 TDs today.

[HydrOshocK]

I'm not throwing Dayne under the bus because I've never thought he was a great back to begin with. He's average, and has been his entire career, so my expectations for him were.....average. He didn't disappoint. We really missed Green in this game.

As for the play calling, I'm not going to say it was as bad as GP thinks, because the players still have to execute better, but there were several questionable plays called in the red zone. Still, I'm no NFL coach so I'm going to chalk this loss up to an overall bad performance by the entire team....players and coaches.

The poor play needs to be corrected this week so that we can take the Dolphins game and remain at 3-2 before the Titans showdown.

[BIG ERN]

Ever seen Varsity Blues? When Mox runs the hook and ladder to Billy Bob and he falls on his face?

That's what I thought of when Dayne was trying to get that pitch.

:)

Where is Tweeter?I blame Schaub for that play but Danye would have been nailed anyway.

[B420tx]

I'm going to take a page from AllDay28's book and say.

Think we could trade Petey and a 3rd or 4th for Selvin Young? Fix 2 problems right there

[BIG ERN]

I'm going to take a page from AllDay28's book and say.

Think we could trade Petey and a 3rd or 4th for Selvin Young? Fix 2 problems right there

Eww.No SV.I got enough SV when he stunk it up with VY.VY was OREDERED to hand it to that guy.He is not very good(just running behind Travis Henry).It kind of reminds me of Reggie Bush and Duece combo.

[Wolf123]

Running back will be a very high priority this offseason.

[Wolf123]

Denver won't let him go, there very excited about him.

[flatoniakid]

worst thread ever. seriously, go slap yourself.
True that, man we lose a couple of games & the fake band wagon riders start grumbling.
We got a long season ahead of us,we will win more games !!!!:mad:

[Wolf123]

True that, man we lose a couple of games & the fake band wagon riders start grumbling.
We got a long season ahead of us,we will win more games !!!!:mad:

I know!! I wish they never jumped on!!

[GP]

True that, man we lose a couple of games & the fake band wagon riders start grumbling.
We got a long season ahead of us,we will win more games !!!!:mad:

I am curious to know which posters you assign this statement to?

Certainly not me.

But when this t-e-a-m does badly, I am not going to sugarcoat it and act as if I didn;t see what I just saw.

This was a set-up the whole way, an opportunity for the players and the coaches to coast through another game because our precious AJ and Ahman were not playing. Who cares if they didn;t play? This whole team acts as if it cannot play regular ball unless we have those two guys.

This team, which includes players AND coaches, should not think so much of a few players. They should act as if they can win the games in which our stars are out (due to injury).

It has just felt like this team, from the top down, hasn't believed it can do anything but keep it close...instead of just going out there and letting it go.

Andre Davis gets an "Atta boy" from me because he, and Schaub, along with Owen Daniels and Kevin Walter (for that matter) are doing all the little things to help the other 50+ players see that it IS possible to compete without AJ and Ahman.

Dunta and DeMeco and Okoye fit into that category, too, as far as I am concerned. I hate to think what this would have looked like today had those three defenders not been in the game.

I got news for all of you--We'll have a repeat next week, with the Dolphins getting their first win at our expense IF we don't suck it up and play lights out even if we are down a man or two.

That's not "bandwagon fan" talking OK? That's hard, cold reality based upon what I saw today.

No sugracoating the past two weeks--It was ugly from the top down.

[Sprtsfanatic]

I have to agree with GP, no more sugar coating...what happened to shedding the "expansion team" tag??? Im trying to figure out why there are a lot of you trying to use "expansion team" excuses....Reality our TEAM played like sh_it today and there ISNT an excuse for it. Our playcalling was HORRENDOUS, and our time management was ATTROCIOUS, and our running game with the "dayne train" was NON EXISTANT...

[flatoniakid]

I am curious to know which posters you assign this statement to?

Certainly not me.

But when this t-e-a-m does badly, I am not going to sugarcoat it and act as if I didn;t see what I just saw.

This was a set-up the whole way, an opportunity for the players and the coaches to coast through another game because our precious AJ and Ahman were not playing. Who cares if they didn;t play? This whole team acts as if it cannot play regular ball unless we have those two guys.

This team, which includes players AND coaches, should not think so much of a few players. They should act as if they can win the games in which our stars are out (due to injury).

It has just felt like this team, from the top down, hasn't believed it can do anything but keep it close...instead of just going out there and letting it go.

Andre Davis gets an "Atta boy" from me because he, and Schaub, along with Owen Daniels and Kevin Walter (for that matter) are doing all the little things to help the other 50+ players see that it IS possible to compete without AJ and Ahman.

Dunta and DeMeco and Okoye fit into that category, too, as far as I am concerned. I hate to think what this would have looked like today had those three defenders not been in the game.

I got news for all of you--We'll have a repeat next week, with the Dolphins getting their first win at our expense IF we don't suck it up and play lights out even if we are down a man or two.

That's not "bandwagon fan" talking OK? That's hard, cold reality based upon what I saw today.

No sugracoating the past two weeks--It was ugly from the top down.
Cold hard fact ; the injured players you name are major impact players for us.
We are a much better team with them, somewhat lesser team without them.:eek:
If you think we have already lost to Miami,then do us a favor & don't watch the game on next Sunday.
Hope we don't have players on the Texans with your attitude.:rolleyes:

[schaubisgod]

Dayne may not be starting quality, but he is certainly not useless. A good short yardage guy for sure. Dayne's problem is that he backs up Ahamn Green, who is a very agile back with good moves. Given that Dayne is a different sort of runner (a short yardage, physical runner), it's hard to look impressive in the role of replacing Green. Dayne didn't really have a bad game.

[Marcus]

Harrington marches up and down the field and you people are mad about play calling.

I just don't understand your logic.

Neither do I. Neither. do. I.

Ron Dayne certainly was not as bad as amazingandre thinks, and the playcalling was not as bad as GP thinks.

But all you have to do, is look back at the Colts game, when neither Dayne nor Green were playing, and you have no running game whatsoever. Gado did not play today for good reason.

As far as the playcalling goes, you can ignore that we were without AJ, JJ, and AG all day long if it makes you feel better, but the fact remains that you can't be missing 3 key players and have it not effect everything on the offense. You are limited on the playcalling because you're limited on the players to properly execute those calls.

But what was the defense's problem, is what I want to know. It's pretty bad that the front 4 cannot get enough pressure on Harrington . . HARRINGTON!!:rolleyes:, that Richard Smith is forced to end in coverage guys to the DL's job, further exposing an already weak secondary.

Atlanta won, or we LOST because of what went on the defensive side of the ball. The offense and it's assocated 'playcalling', gets a pass.

[Jim Nayzium]

First of all I would like to say that I was at the game live -- sat in the corner of the endzone on the first row -- the endzone where Dayne would have scored had he caught the ball...

1. Playcalling was terrible.
2. Execution was terrible.

Combined to form a horrible game. I literally dozed off during the game. An NFL game. I dozed off.

I really, with all my heart, wish with all my might, that Dayne had not dropped that ball. Because then we would have all gotten to see what I have been saying all along. He is too slow to be useful in the NFL.

His yards per carry were not horrible because of one 26 yard run that should have been a 55 yard touchdown. I guarantee Green or Gado score with that ball. Gado for sure, as any straight line run like that he is the fastest of the three backs.

15 carries for 62 yards --

or 14 carries for 36 yards....wow -- 2.Yahhhhwwwwnnn yards per carry....

This is exactly what i have been saying for weeks. Had Gado started this game and gotten the same exact 15 carries that Dayne got, he would have gotten crunched and piled up behind our line each time Dayne did....

BUT, BUT, and the crucial BUT is when we did actually block a play well...Gado would have turned that 26 yarder into a HUGE play...and his YPC would be 15 - 100 yards...not 62~!

Also, the pitch play is the least of the bad plays from DAYNE.

Before that, on the third and 1 where they called the phantom timeout...Dayne is literally run down from behind by Abraham....

I am not an NFL coach, but I do know this...on power right....NFL teams purposely don't account for the backside DE on short yardage because he is supposed to honor the bootleg...and if he doesn't he will run down the backs from behind for a short gain....A SHORT GAIN....NOt a NO - GAIN...

Seriously...Dayne's 4.97 40 time cost us 2 huge third down conversions and one HUGE long run early in the game that would have changed the momentum....I know we scored later with Davis...but to announce we have a home-run hitter in Gado would have really changed the dynamic of the game.

I am not saying Gado is a westbrook....but surely we can all agree that Gado is FAST in a straight line --- and that is what that play required.

Also, it has been stated on this forum that Dayne is sure handed and rarely fumbles....Well the NFL stats are giving Schaub the fumble which is a shame...because this play happened 45 feet in front of my own two eyes...and what the TV did not show very well was that DAYNE actually fumbled this ball twice....

He missed the pitch...caught it...and then did sort of an alan iverson cross over dribble with it....

I am exaggerating a little...but still he should have caught it...and the pitch should have been cleaner...both are true....

OH how I really wish he would have caught it....and then we could have watched a linebacker run him down from behind on the four yard line...

Then we could have blamed the playcalling....

How about...TWO Tight ENDS....block the backside END....

Block Down playside...Pull NO-ONE...and just DAYNE lumber forward for the 8 inches necessary....I believe he could have done that actually....

So Kubes....dayne...schaub....they are all to blame....

[dalemurphy]

Not Dayne's fault that he has been given crappy playcalling by his coaches.

He's not to blame here.

They had us sniffed out all game long, SuperstarII.


Ron Dayne's running style: jogging with his eyes closed in 2 feet of water.

[dalemurphy]

Dayne may not be starting quality, but he is certainly not useless. A good short yardage guy for sure. Dayne's problem is that he backs up Ahamn Green, who is a very agile back with good moves. Given that Dayne is a different sort of runner (a short yardage, physical runner), it's hard to look impressive in the role of replacing Green. Dayne didn't really have a bad game.


Dayne was awful. We were 0-4 on 3rd and ones today. He showed no vision and didn't run with much power or explosiveness. He may not be useless, but today he was HORRIBLE.