3rd and 1

[B420tx]

I don't care who we pick up, get us a running back that can get at least a yard on 3rd and 1.

[done88]

Dayne sucks put Gado in to try. Fire the trainer. Ever heard of streatching before a game.

[Sprtsfanatic]

Dayne sucks put Gado in to try. Fire the trainer. Ever heard of streatching before a game.

Gado sucks too...we've seen what he can do trying to pick up ONE YARD...we need to give darius walker a shot already.

[SuperstarII]

I don't care who we pick up, get us a running back that can get at least a yard on 3rd and 1.

glad someone is smart on this!

[misterpc]

Ron Dayne always gets a yard. Dont blame the playcalling on him. Have you ever seen him run the ball twice and fail to pick up one yard?

[SuperstarII]

Ron Dayne always gets a yard. Dont blame the playcalling on him. Have you ever seen him run the ball twice and fail to pick up one yard?

ahaha several times in this game!

[misterpc]

ahaha several times in this game!

Ron Dayne on back to back carries failed to pick up one yard? gee i must have missed it. Last season, Ron Dayne was the least stuffed running back in the NFL. Ahead of Green, LT, and everyone else. He gets positive yardage, not a whole lot, but he does go forward.

[B420tx]

Ron Dayne always gets a yard. Dont blame the playcalling on him. Have you ever seen him run the ball twice and fail to pick up one yard?

You mean, besides the 3rd and short situations? This was the biggest complaint about Dayne last year too. IMO he's great to run on 1st or 2nd down to get us at least 3 yards, but when it comes time to plow forward we need someone else. If I'm Coach Kubiak, then I am not happy with my teams performance today on short yardage situations.

[SuperstarII]

Ron Dayne on back to back carries failed to pick up one yard? gee i must have missed it.

I will make a video for you once I figure how to transfer from dvr to computer. god bless adobe premiere.

[Sprtsfanatic]

Ron Dayne on back to back carries failed to pick up one yard? gee i must have missed it. Last season, Ron Dayne was the least stuffed running back in the NFL. Ahead of Green, LT, and everyone else. He gets positive yardage, not a whole lot, but he does go forward.

uh yeah he did, atleast twice in this game...the guy sucks...time to replace him.

[misterpc]

I will make a video for you once I figure how to transfer from dvr to computer. god bless adobe premiere.

In this video you are making, be sure you dont edit it to splice carries together. Show me one time where Dayne was stuffed for no gain on back to back, consecutive rushes.

[Super Mario Bros]

I don't care who we pick up, get us a running back that can get at least a yard on 3rd and 1.


Ahman Green is injured.

[B420tx]

Ahman Green is injured.

-Sigh- I know that. Green is injured, Dayne is his back up. We use Dayne in the 4th Quarter to run down clock and to occasionally spell Green. Which is fine, because Dayne isn't going in at every 3rd downtrying to get those tough yards. I'm not saying I hate Ron Dayne, I'm saying he's a liability in 3rd and short situations, not only to the yardage, but to our lineman to when he just plows into them and falls down.

[NjTexanFan]

Days like these make me want Wali Lundy back i mean Dayne sucks if he can't pick up 1 yard on key possesions, and Ahman Green is good i will admit that but the texans knew what they were doing when they signed him, he had a history of injury problems so im not suprised now

[SuperstarII]

Days like these make me want Wali Lundy back i mean Dayne sucks if he can't pick up 1 yard on key possesions, and Ahman Green is good i will admit that but the texans knew what they were doing when they signed him, he had a history of injury problems so im not suprised now

Yeah makes me wonder why we cut lundy. Is it because Dayne used to be an ex-bronco?

[misterpc]

Lets settle this. Someone please compile a stat for many times in this game Ron Dayne failed to pick up positive yardage on a carry vs how many times he did pick up positive yardage.

[DeclanJr]

As far as I'm concerned Ahman Green is not coming back. The guy is injury prone and he is old by NFL standards. We need to get used to Dayne. He had a few good runs today. We were just put in bad situations where they knew we would run and they stuffed the box. Getting a few yards or 1 yard starts up front with the offensive linemen. I will say that the call at the end of the game where we were at the 1/2 yard line was terrible. Why even take the chance with a pitch. Either QB sneak the ball or let Ron Dayne run straight up the middle and hopefully fall forward into the end zone.

[B420tx]

Lets settle this. Someone please compile a stat for many times in this game Ron Dayne failed to pick up positive yardage on a carry vs how many times he did pick up positive yardage.

You aren't getting what I'm saying, Ron Dayne gets yards, I acknowledge that. However when the opponents stack the box on obvious running situations (3rd and 1) our O-Line just can't get him enough room and he runs into them and falls down.

[DeclanJr]

You aren't getting what I'm saying, Ron Dayne gets yards, I acknowledge that. However when the opponents stack the box on obvious running situations (3rd and 1) our O-Line just can't get him enough room and he runs into them and falls down.

I'm with you here...our O-Line doesn't get the push in short yardage situations that we need.

[sleepwalker]

glad someone is smart on this!

Smart?!?! Who do you suggest we pickup? How about Ricky Williams.

[B420tx]

Smart?!?! Who do you suggest we pickup? How about Ricky Williams.

If he wants to be our short yardage back, and works out for 2 straight weeks, then yes.

[SuperstarII]

Smart?!?! Who do you suggest we pickup? How about Ricky Williams.

it wouldn't hurt in my book. He at least doesn't have a pittbull fighting arena or killed a mother while driving intoxicated.

[BIG ERN]

Darius Walker!!!! Anyone?anyone???????

[SuperstarII]

Darius Walker!!!! Anyone?anyone???????

that is another one in my book as well. Darius is young and can get more than two yards. I think they are saving him for next season.

[misterpc]

"We have to run the ball in those situations," Kubiak said. "If I called a pass because I was not confident in us making that yard, then I'm wrong. I can't do that. I have to send a message to our team that we're going to line up and run the football.

-Gary Kubiak


Im glad he recognizes this.

[B420tx]

-Gary Kubiak


Im glad he recognizes this.

He also recognized that running the ball with Dayne on 3rd and 1 doesn't cut it. So he changed the play calls when he should have just changed personel. Everyone keeps thinking I'm advocating against Ron Dayne and his running game in this thread, which is not the case, I'm advocating against Ron Dayne in obvioius short yardage situations.

[wildroot]

it wouldn't hurt in my book. He at least doesn't have a pittbull fighting arena or killed a mother while driving intoxicated.

No, but it won't look too good when Vice raids his locker or for that matter, fails his urine tests. Luckily this team seems to "put up" when it comes to backing up it's standards on player character.

[Wolf123]

I agree, with the running game going no where, lets give matt schaub a chance to win the game!

[Alpha-Male]

that is another one in my book as well. Darius is young and can get more than two yards. I think they are saving him for next season.

I was about to ask about DW. He can't be any worse than what we have. I mean the NFL is a young mans game. AG is/was a great RB, but I've seen him get caught from behind the few times he has broken into the secondary. We need a homerun hitter, someone with speed and YOUTH. If DW isn't the answer, then RB and CB should be our priorities next draft. Thoughts?

[HJam72]

To a certain extent, Dayne can wear down defenders throughout a game; but, the problem is that they can still stuff him at the line any time they really want to. He is not a short yardage back at all, because he cannot fit through small holes, or find them for that matter. He has to have just the right situation to have a good game, and that's not going to happen real often.

[BIG ERN]

I don't care who we pick up, get us a running back that can get at least a yard on 3rd and 1.

Darius Walker and R .Taylor!

[crazyhorse]

It doesn't matter who the running back is he can get a yard if the other 10 guys will put a body on a body and move their man back a yard!!!!! It's a team game and a team effort even to make a yard!!!!!!!!

[DeclanJr]

I'm so sick of hearing about Darius Walker. The guy didn't get drafted for a reason. He made a mistake by coming out early and now he's paying for it. Hopefully Taylor comes back next year and we pick up somone in the draft. Signing Ahman Green is looking like a mistake. The guy hasn't made it through a full game yet.

[HJam72]

It doesn't matter who the running back is he can get a yard if the other 10 guys will put a body on a body and move their man back a yard!!!!! It's a team game and a team effort even to make a yard!!!!!!!!

I don't think Dayne would actually get a yard in that situation. He'd get half a yard....somehow. :cool:

[sleepwalker]

"When it's short yardage, we are going to man up on you and kick your arse."

We used to have that mentality.

I don't care who the running back is, 1 yard is all about winning in the trenches.

[TexHorns]

Yeah makes me wonder why we cut lundy. Is it because Dayne used to be an ex-bronco?

I didnt really like Lundy. I thought Morency was much better.

[TexHorns]

He also recognized that running the ball with Dayne on 3rd and 1 doesn't cut it. So he changed the play calls when he should have just changed personel. Everyone keeps thinking I'm advocating against Ron Dayne and his running game in this thread, which is not the case, I'm advocating against Ron Dayne in obvioius short yardage situations.

I dont blame him for calling pass, the running game was terrible and he was trying to win. In general I agree with what he said though bc he has to have standards and expectations for this team. There is something very wrong if they cant win that yard more times than not and he has to put that on their shoulders no matter what back is out there.

[Battle-Red]

As far as I'm concerned Ahman Green is not coming back. The guy is injury prone and he is old by NFL standards. We need to get used to Dayne. He had a few good runs today. We were just put in bad situations where they knew we would run and they stuffed the box. Getting a few yards or 1 yard starts up front with the offensive linemen. I will say that the call at the end of the game where we were at the 1/2 yard line was terrible. Why even take the chance with a pitch. Either QB sneak the ball or let Ron Dayne run straight up the middle and hopefully fall forward into the end zone.

Injury prone? Excluding this year he has 144 career games(32 games as Ricky Watters backup), 109 career starts, 18 career games missed(11games missed in 05, and was his only significant injury). I dont know that he deserves to be labeled as injury prone. As far as his speed he's tied the leagues longest rush from scrimmage in 06 at 70yards, 04 with 90yards, and 03 with 98yards as well as having a career 4.5ypc. Besides that I agree with your statements. And point out that McKinney seems to have been the keystone of the running game. Flanigan and the rest of the O line have more to do with this than anything.

[ROUGHNECKS]

You know I am sick about hearing Green's injury I was one of the guy's that was pumped about signing Green. As of now I still have hope he is the short term anwser but every week it gets me more and more regretting signing him. He has a bruse and I understand that a deep knee bruse is painfull but come on what the %#&* strap on a pair. We were saying 8-8,9-7, and some even saying 10-6 but if we can not get guys on the field because of a knee bruse you can forget about 500 win %. The way I see it if Jones can get a shoulder injury and miss one week and try to come back this week Green needs to grow a pair and get on the field. Dayne is not the anwser at all he is a back up at best and stop bringing up last year and what he did he was not that great, I give the o-line the credit for what he did and most of that due to McKinney being in the line up, look at last week when he was not there we just could not run the ball. We have a lot of guys going through the motions that do not need to be here, Flanigan for one, if a starter goes down memo to backups THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO PROVE YOURSELF.

[big r]

any time you want to get rid of "any" of your running backs please send them to green bay. we are in bad need for them.

sometimes you don't no how good you got it until you see other teams.

i know were 4-0 but not because of our running game.

we are very very lucky to have a quarterback like farve.

go packers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DeclanJr]

any time you want to get rid of "any" of your running backs please send them to green bay. we are in bad need for them.

sometimes you don't no how good you got it until you see other teams.

i know were 4-0 but not because of our running game.

we are very very lucky to have a quarterback like farve.

go packers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congratulations on having such a great season! Did Vernand Morency play this past week? I heard that he was coming back.

Everyone was happy to get Ahman Green, but he has yet to play a full game. It started out as cramps and now it is this knee bruise. I have a feeling, like someone else stated, that we are going to have to get used to playing without him.

[HuttoKarl]

I'm so sick of hearing about Darius Walker. The guy didn't get drafted for a reason. He made a mistake by coming out early and now he's paying for it. Hopefully Taylor comes back next year and we pick up somone in the draft. Signing Ahman Green is looking like a mistake. The guy hasn't made it through a full game yet.

It makes me laugh when people talk about Walker being junk because he wasn't drafted, and then in the next breath, they extoll the percieved greatness of an undrafted RB with a bigtime knee injury who had one decent game vs. the crappiest Cleveland Browns team in a long time.

[DeclanJr]

It makes me laugh when people talk about Walker being junk because he wasn't drafted, and then in the next breath, they extoll the percieved greatness of an undrafted RB with a bigtime knee injury who had one decent game vs. the crappiest Cleveland Browns team in a long time.

I didn't say Taylor was a savior. I will say he's proven more than Walker has up to this point. Taylor would still be 3rd on the depth chart. All I'm saying is that Darius Walker is not the answer.

[HuttoKarl]

I didn't say Taylor was a savior. I will say he's proven more than Walker has up to this point. He would still be 3rd on the depth chart. All I'm saying is that Darius Walker is not the answer.

I'm saying after seeing absolutely nothing from Dayne or our FB's on 3rd and 1, perhaps Gado should have gotten a chance to punch one in. If our coach has no confidence in him, maybe he shouldn't be on a roster.

[DeclanJr]

I'm saying after seeing absolutely nothing from Dayne or our FB's on 3rd and 1, perhaps Gado should have gotten a chance to punch one in. If our coach has no confidence in him, maybe he shouldn't be on a roster.

You've got a point. We should have been able to punch that up the gut. I guess a QB sneak was out of the question? I would prefer we didn't do that with Schaub seeing as how an injury to him could decimate this team, but he did almost score a touchdown in that game on one.

[sleepwalker]

I'm starting to believe that maybe Fred Weary at center might help from the hype I have been hearing about this move.

Could Studdard handle a start at G? Maybe this is a bad idea.

We have to figure out a way to dominate by running on 3rd and short!

[HuttoKarl]

I'm starting to believe that maybe Fred Weary at center might help from the hype I have been hearing about this move.

Could Studdard handle a start at G? Maybe this is a bad idea.

We have to figure out a way to dominate by running on 3rd and short!

I feel like Studdard could handle anything we asked him to. I think he'll end up being one of our best draft choices a few years down the line.

[big r]

Congratulations on having such a great season! Did Vernand Morency play this past week? I heard that he was coming back.

Everyone was happy to get Ahman Green, but he has yet to play a full game. It started out as cramps and now it is this knee bruise. I have a feeling, like someone else stated, that we are going to have to get used to playing without him.

he had a few carriers, but nothing to brag about. i think the team ended up with about 45 yards total om the ground.

[DeclanJr]

he had a few carriers, but nothing to brag about. i think the team ended up with about 45 yards total om the ground.

Sounds familiar. As far as the AFC, I think we rank 3rd or 4th in passing yards, but we are way down toward the bottom in rushing yards.

[SuperstarII]

It makes me laugh when people talk about Walker being junk because he wasn't drafted, and then in the next breath, they extoll the percieved greatness of an undrafted RB with a bigtime knee injury who had one decent game vs. the crappiest Cleveland Browns team in a long time.

I don't think Walker was crappy. I mean after him and quinn left Nortre Dame. They have become garbage. We got a steal in my opinion.

[Sprtsfanatic]

declan in one of your posts you mentioned that if we didnt think samkon could punch it in from the one then he shouldnt be on the roster....well I think thats the best idea thats been thrown around in the last week. I dont think he should be on the roster the guy really isnt any good at any particular thing....he's not fast, he doesnt have good hands, he's not a bruiser, he's not shifty, and he cant hit a hole any better than anyone else on our team....so why is he here??
Your high on chris taylor, but no one would even know about him if he wasnt given a chance last year or seen him in practice this year....so why not give the only rookie on our practice squad at the Rb position that can do all the things that rb's are supposed to do pretty **** good. There isnt a single person that can question walkers ability to run, cut, catch, nor his speed...so why isnt he being given a chance??

[DeclanJr]

This belongs in another thread, but it is amazing how many players for ND are trying to transfer to other schools now. I can't believe they gave Charlie Weiss an extension. They should never have gotten rid of Willingham.

[daynebum]

I don't think Walker was crappy. I mean after him and quinn left Nortre Dame. They have become garbage. We got a steal in my opinion.

Darius Walker..lol a steal?...no, Selvin Young is what u call a steal.

[BIG ERN]

Darius Walker..lol a steal?...no, Selvin Young is what u call a steal.

SV stinks.He is running behind Denver's line and he is backing up Travis Henry.I can not tell you how many times SV screwed over VY at UT.VY realized that it was better for him to take off rather than putting the ball in Sv's hands.

[3andOUT]

Ron Dayne is not a power back and never has been. Even at Wisconsin, he never was a pounder. He was a bigger guy who ran like a smaller guy, he had some pop but has never been a guy like Alstott who can just pound and make stuff happen.

If this O-L doesn't start run-blocking without McKinney you will see that Ron Dayne can't be effective. All he does is hit a hole, any hole (even when he can't fit through) and fall forward. That often times will get you a safe 2-3 yards but never anything more. He had one big run last Sunday on a play where our playcall caught them off-balance.