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redkoolaid
09-30-2007, 03:42 PM
I've officially made up my mind that...Mario Williams is GARBAGE..and a bust at that..

His first game was a fluke...

However, Okoye is the REAL DEAL

TexansFaninNC
09-30-2007, 03:43 PM
Yeah, they should just cut Williams, you are right, he is a total bust in his second year.

B420tx
09-30-2007, 03:44 PM
I thought he played well today, we got burned on our blitzes, I didn't even know our D was allowed to blitz before today.

sleepwalker
09-30-2007, 03:44 PM
We are all frustrated. It's okay.

DeclanJr
09-30-2007, 03:47 PM
Mario had a pretty good game. I wouldn't take out my frustration on him. He made a bunch of tackles and had some quarterback hurries. He is the least of my concerns after this game.

BIG ERN
09-30-2007, 03:54 PM
I've officially made up my mind that...Mario Williams is GARBAGE..and a bust at that..

His first game was a fluke...

However, Okoye is the REAL DEAL

Shut it Rook!Besides the Okeye comment,you have no idea.

thecd
09-30-2007, 04:25 PM
Have you gone back and looked at the game? I know I certainly haven't...and until then, you can't tell me that the sack from Okoye wasn't Mario drawing a double team. Teams already know what Mario can do...and thus they have been challenging Okoye to make plays. Thankfully he has. These two will be great for a long time.

BIG ERN
09-30-2007, 04:40 PM
Have you gone back and looked at the game? I know I certainly haven't...and until then, you can't tell me that the sack from Okoye wasn't Mario drawing a double team. Teams already know what Mario can do...and thus they have been challenging Okoye to make plays. Thankfully he has. These two will be great for a long time.

Thank You!Amen!

Schaub2Andre4TD
09-30-2007, 05:03 PM
I've officially made up my mind that...Mario Williams is GARBAGE..and a bust at that..

His first game was a fluke...

However, Okoye is the REAL DEAL
Even though Okoye' success is specifically due to him being lined up next to Williams?

***** post of the day.

austintexanite
09-30-2007, 05:07 PM
So your off the bandwagon already???

BIG ERN
09-30-2007, 05:08 PM
Reggie Bush is god!Ha ha ha ! Go back to Canada you wimp.

WesmanTexanfan
09-30-2007, 05:09 PM
I've officially made up my mind that...Mario Williams is GARBAGE..and a bust at that..

His first game was a fluke...

However, Okoye is the REAL DEAL

check yourself bro

DiehardChris
09-30-2007, 05:11 PM
The negative reactions on the board seem like the kind of comments that come from fans who expected their team to go to the Super Bowl... guys - we're a long, long way away. Don't jump off the wagon because of one bad loss. Newsflash - it won't be the last bad loss of the season... we're a young team, and our coaches are making 'young' mistakes too. It happens.

But hey - there's no reason we can't criticize... the pieces that deserve it... just have some class about it.

Texan's Blue
09-30-2007, 05:12 PM
What's wrong with you? did you even watch the game. Mario was being double-teamed all day. Add to that they had people bumping him before the double-team got there. That's the only reason Amobi has done anything.

TexansFaninNC
09-30-2007, 05:14 PM
I've officially made up my mind that...Mario Williams is GARBAGE..and a bust at that..

His first game was a fluke...

However, Okoye is the REAL DEAL

Redkoolaid

You are in the wrong forum people like you need to be posting on this forum:

http://blog.dallascowboys.com/forums/

BIG ERN
09-30-2007, 05:15 PM
Redkoolaid

You are in the wrong forum people like you need to be posting on this forum:

http://blog.dallascowboys.com/forums/

Oh god!This poor rookie is getting rolled!!Go back to Dallas or Canada!

Schaub2Andre4TD
09-30-2007, 05:16 PM
The negative reactions on the board seem like the kind of comments that come from fans who expected their team to go to the Super Bowl
These aren't even negative reactions. These are flat out ignorant morons who either didn't watch the game or just checked the box score. They're an embarrassment to the Texans' fan base and shouldn't be tolerated.

And I thought Astros' fans were bad...

TexansFaninNC
09-30-2007, 05:17 PM
Oh god!This poor rookie is getting rolled!!Go back to Dallas or Canada!

Who? Me or Redkoolaid?

bugman7star
09-30-2007, 05:33 PM
Mario is a solid defensive end. I saw him get into the backfield and hurry Harrington. He is still double teamed, but he does a good job drawing attention away from our other D lineman. He will continually get better as he gains more experience Our secondary is the part of defense that needs to step up.

BIG ERN
09-30-2007, 05:38 PM
Who? Me or Redkoolaid?

Kool aid

TexansFaninNC
09-30-2007, 05:39 PM
Ok, thanks lol

gsus8091
09-30-2007, 06:38 PM
This REDKOOLAID is a joke. He's another poster who writes threads to try to get people all fired up. He doesn't know football, he has VY and RB blow up sex dolls for those lonely nights and he can't except that Mario Williams is FOR REAL. So the next time this lame puts up a post just ignore him.

Have you noticed how he didn't respond to anything. He does this to geek get poeple all wild. He's a joke. And worse yet most of us who are writing to either defend Mario or just to comment on his just plain stupid thread have to relize that he's probably a 15 year-old high school kid who couldn't get laid if he was a tampon and who comes on here because he knows his indentity is safe. The kid's a joke, a nobody. So don't get sucked into these lame a$s threads he puts up. This is the same child who would call Mario a bust on here but cry if he saw him in person and follow him into a public restroom to get an autograph and a picture.

KOOLAID is just a sorry a$s lame, that's what he'll be forever. Ignore him.

ib4texans
09-30-2007, 06:43 PM
You have no credible comments regarding Mario's performance today. Mario is crucial to the run defense, he was always on the ball today. Big deal if he didn't get a sack, he completely engulfed Warrick Dunn and Jeriouse Norwood for losses today. He also hurried Joey, our secondary is what needs to step up. Except for Dunta their was nothing going on.

HydrOshocK
09-30-2007, 06:44 PM
The negative reactions on the board seem like the kind of comments that come from fans who expected their team to go to the Super Bowl... guys - we're a long, long way away. Don't jump off the wagon because of one bad loss. Newsflash - it won't be the last bad loss of the season... we're a young team, and our coaches are making 'young' mistakes too. It happens.

But hey - there's no reason we can't criticize... the pieces that deserve it... just have some class about it.


Here Here! Calling a guy "garbage" is totally uncalled for IMO. What exactly about Mario's performance warrants that kind of derogatory statement? He didn't have a sack again but he was solid as usual. If it's only sacks that you judge him by then you aren't considering the overall job of a defensive lineman.

HydrOshocK
09-30-2007, 06:47 PM
the only thing i want mw to get better at is not overpursuing the run....he does this soooo much....he goes right by the rb quite a few times a game

I agree. I've noticed the same thing. He also has a tendency to take too wide of an angle when he beats his man around the corner. There have been a few times that he has wound up behind the QB and misses a sack opportunity because the QB steps up in the pocket. If he can cut down his angle when going wide he'll get to the QB a LOT more than he has been. But even that minor discrepency isn't justification to label a guy "garbage". If anything he's just unpolished at this stage of his career but getting much better.

Koolaid has always been a hater, just read his post history.

Sprtsfanatic
09-30-2007, 06:54 PM
the ONLY problem I have got with Mario is that he tries to tackle up high...I just wish he would watch the hips and blow someone up from there. Other than that he is playing great this year and causing all kinds of havoc on the dline.

Wolf123
09-30-2007, 07:36 PM
stop saying the sky is falling when one player doesn't get a sack or a touchdown! He's coming along and the results can be seen all across the D-line.

TexansMVP
09-30-2007, 07:47 PM
It's been kind of hard for our line to generate pressure these pass few games b/c all the other teams have to do is throw the ball where Faggins is to get an automatic first down if not a TD.

Peyton did it last week, and now even Harrington. There were a few times during the game where it look like we would get a sack but Harrington just tossed it to whoever Faggins was guarding.

Wolf123
09-30-2007, 07:49 PM
Teams have also been getting rid of the ball very quickly.

CarolinaTexan
09-30-2007, 09:14 PM
It's been kind of hard for our line to generate pressure these pass few games b/c all the other teams have to do is throw the ball where Faggins is to get an automatic first down if not a TD.

Peyton did it last week, and now even Harrington. There were a few times during the game where it look like we would get a sack but Harrington just tossed it to whoever Faggins was guarding.

you took the words out of my mouth. faggins is an embarassment to this ball team

redkoolaid
09-30-2007, 10:51 PM
LMAO at the Mario apologists thinking I like VY or Reggie Bush...because its clear to see that Mario sucks!

For the record I think Reggie BUsh is the most overrated football player in sports history...going all the way back to college

and VY...I think hell eventually be a good one...hes doing good for a second year player however...but Im happy with Schaub...I love Schaub...and I'd definitely take Schaub over VY..

anyway back to the arguement

Mario had a "solid" day....I didn't know #1 over all picks....and 56 million dollar players...get a pass because they are solid...

Fact of the matter is Okoye...got that sack not because of Mario...but because of himself

And please stop giving me this Mario is double teamed on every play Bull****

I watched that game...and I have it on TIVO...you're delusional if you think hes being doubled on every play...fact of the matter is he sucks

I rarely see him in the backfield...no pressure on Harrington...Harrington looked like Marino out there today...

Even IF Mario was "double teamed on every play"....so the **** what??...that's what happens when you're good..

Do double teams stop Strahan? Umenyiora?Freeney? Peppers?

Some of you need to stop with the blind loyalty act..its sickening

ReliantTexan
09-30-2007, 11:35 PM
LMAO at the Mario apologists thinking I like VY or Reggie Bush...because its clear to see that Mario sucks!

For the record I think Reggie BUsh is the most overrated football player in sports history...going all the way back to college

and VY...I think hell eventually be a good one...hes doing good for a second year player however...but Im happy with Schaub...I love Schaub...and I'd definitely take Schaub over VY..

anyway back to the arguement

Mario had a "solid" day....I didn't know #1 over all picks....and 56 million dollar players...get a pass because they are solid...

Fact of the matter is Okoye...got that sack not because of Mario...but because of himself

And please stop giving me this Mario is double teamed on every play Bull****

I watched that game...and I have it on TIVO...you're delusional if you think hes being doubled on every play...fact of the matter is he sucks

I rarely see him in the backfield...no pressure on Harrington...Harrington looked like Marino out there today...

Even IF Mario was "double teamed on every play"....so the **** what??...that's what happens when you're good..

Do double teams stop Strahan? Umenyiora?Freeney? Peppers?

Some of you need to stop with the blind loyalty act..its sickeningIt's hard for your Dline to get pressure when it takes a millisecond to disect our secondary. Just because he doesn't have alot of sacks doesn't mean he's not effective. I saw him get pressure on alot of plays,but because of terrible coverage, Harrington still gets the ball down the field. Mario isn't playing great but he's not the reason that our D made Harrington look like Marino.

Hoss
10-01-2007, 12:23 AM
Kool Aid is drinking himself again

redkoolaid
10-01-2007, 12:59 AM
Kool Aid is drinking himself again

Brilliant play on words! clever!

HJam72
10-01-2007, 01:04 AM
Mario is getting better, and he's nails against the run (usually), but no he's not yet worth the money or the pick. If he would actually get to the QB a split second earlier a lot of times, he would be worth it, but he never does. He does draw double-teams, but not always. He does make it easier for his teammates to get to the QB occasionally, but they still have to make it happen, and he doesn't get there enough himself. You would think that with all the attention they are bound to be paying to Okoye at this point, that it would help Mario get to the QB, but he still doesn't.

Is Mario a bust? Heck no!

Is Mario worth it all? Well, not really. Okoye is obviously better ALREADY, and NOBODY considered him for a #1 overall.

mister_doodi
10-01-2007, 01:07 AM
This REDKOOLAID is a joke. He's another poster who writes threads to try to get people all fired up.

Check


Have you noticed how he didn't respond to anything. He does this to geek get poeple all wild.

Check

He's a joke. And worse yet most of us who are writing to either defend Mario or just to comment on his just plain stupid thread...

Check





Thats pretty funny, you just told everyone here about how he messes with people and he got you on every point you made.

caddy
10-01-2007, 01:21 AM
I've officially made up my mind that...Mario Williams is GARBAGE..and a bust at that..

His first game was a fluke...

However, Okoye is the REAL DEAL

Mmmm, hey fish... you are really floping around. You came here saying Mario is a bust. Then you started on Okoye, he won't make it. Then you said Mario is really the real deal and now he's garbage. While Okoye is the real deal today while the last few weeks he was the bust. I just want to thank you... Lady, but if you knew just how you sound... you would keep your foot out of you mouth.

HJam72
10-01-2007, 01:23 AM
I think he should probably go ahead and put the other foot in there too. :D

Otisbean
10-01-2007, 07:26 AM
I think Mario will be at his best when we add a speed rusher like Abraham and move him to his natural lt side.

Texan's Blue
10-01-2007, 07:51 AM
I agree. I've noticed the same thing. He also has a tendency to take too wide of an angle when he beats his man around the corner. There have been a few times that he has wound up behind the QB and misses a sack opportunity because the QB steps up in the pocket. If he can cut down his angle when going wide he'll get to the QB a LOT more than he has been. But even that minor discrepency isn't justification to label a guy "garbage". If anything he's just unpolished at this stage of his career but getting much better.

Koolaid has always been a hater, just read his post history.

Now this I can agree with.

texan pride
10-01-2007, 08:01 AM
If Mario is a bust the same has to be said about reggie bush. I guess last year was a fluke for him.

3andOUT
10-01-2007, 09:09 AM
I've officially made up my mind that...Mario Williams is GARBAGE..and a bust at that..

His first game was a fluke...

However, Okoye is the REAL DEAL

Here we go again, people throwing the B-word around. Redkoolaid, what do you want to see? 2-3 sacks a game?? Last time I checked, Okoye did not beat anybody on his sack, the pressure from the ENDS collapsed the pocket making Harrington step up into Okoye. DEFENSES play as a unit, and pretty much everybody got bettered yesterday.

DeclanJr
10-01-2007, 09:13 AM
Here we go again, people throwing the B-word around. Redkoolaid, what do you want to see? 2-3 sacks a game?? Last time I checked, Okoye did not beat anybody on his sack, the pressure from the ENDS collapsed the pocket making Harrington step up into Okoye. DEFENSES play as a unit, and pretty much everybody got bettered yesterday.

Calling Mario Williams a bust is just ignorant. The guy has two sacks already and will get more before the season is over. My only problem with the guy is that he too often gets hung up with one blocker. He should be shedding those guys and ways, other than the bull rush, to get in the backfield.

I agree that Mario and I think Weaver at the other end had a lot to do with Okoye's sack. Part of the problem was that Harrington was just getting rid of the ball quickly. His receivers were getting open and he was very accurate.

FLACKU
10-01-2007, 09:50 AM
I've officially made up my mind that...Mario Williams is GARBAGE..and a bust at that..

His first game was a fluke...

However, Okoye is the REAL DEAL

Look all you little hommers need to leave Mario alone. If you wanted to see Joey on his *** all day you better blame the man calling the plays. We need to start Bilzing. The front 4 are not going to get it done alone aginst some teams.

austintexanite
10-01-2007, 11:14 AM
You have no credible comments regarding Mario's performance today. Mario is crucial to the run defense, he was always on the ball today. Big deal if he didn't get a sack, he completely engulfed Warrick Dunn and Jeriouse Norwood for losses today. He also hurried Joey, our secondary is what needs to step up. Except for Dunta their was nothing going on.

Exactly my friend, people need to watch the game and not stats. I believe Julius Peppers is finding this out.

Wolf123
10-01-2007, 11:24 AM
The problem was the secondary was way to far off, Joey rarely took more then a three step drop. He was dumping it all in front of us all game long.

redkoolaid
10-01-2007, 12:27 PM
This REDKOOLAID is a joke. He's another poster who writes threads to try to get people all fired up.

Check


Have you noticed how he didn't respond to anything. He does this to geek get poeple all wild.

Check

He's a joke. And worse yet most of us who are writing to either defend Mario or just to comment on his just plain stupid thread...

Check





Thats pretty funny, you just told everyone here about how he messes with people and he got you on every point you made.



Speaking of check...why dont you CHECK your eyesight...because if you did...youd see that I made a response to all the comments a couple of posts before yours

but for the visually impaired like you....CAN YOU SEE THIS RESPONE?

get off Marios nut sack...its not his fault he was drafted #1...but ****it he was...and he'll have to live with it...counting his 50 million...

Mario is ok against the run...but I thought the premise of drafting Mario according to Bob McNairs words was "you're not gonna outscore Peyton Manning...so we need Mario to SACK"...

redkoolaid
10-01-2007, 12:30 PM
Mmmm, hey fish... you are really floping around. You came here saying Mario is a bust. Then you started on Okoye, he won't make it. Then you said Mario is really the real deal and now he's garbage. While Okoye is the real deal today while the last few weeks he was the bust. I just want to thank you... Lady, but if you knew just how you sound... you would keep your foot out of you mouth.

I changed my mind on Okoye....I changed when I saw his first game in action....and Im sticking to my guns on this one...Okoye is the REAL deal...hes showed me more in 4 games...than Mario has showed me these past two seasons..

Okoye consistently makes things happen...Mario doesnt...

I applauded Mario for his first game...I then went back on Tivo and watched tape...and saw he didnt even CAUSE his two sacks...ND Kalu and Maddox pretty much sacked Huard into Mario...

but since then...I havent even see Mario in the opposing QB's grill...he overpursues and really has no fire...

misterpc
10-01-2007, 12:38 PM
I still think Mario is an LDE. Plenty of excellent DEs play on the strong side (Strahan, Peppers). Mario is built like an LDE and plays like an LDE and his best games have been as an LDE. Now that we traded Babin and Kalu is hurt I guess it makes sense to play Mario at LDE because the only other person who could take that spot is Orr. Still, I wouldnt mind seeing a little more of Orr at RDE and Mario at LDE.

Wolf123
10-01-2007, 02:10 PM
You must be talking about LE, which is where strahan and peppers play.

misterpc
10-01-2007, 02:11 PM
You must be talking about LE, which is where strahan and peppers play.

yeah, I got it totally backwards in my post. im gonna edit it now.

Wolf123
10-01-2007, 02:14 PM
No problem, I did it once too. But I do agree with your point. Mario is the perfect fit for LE. The problem is that Anthony Weaver is also good at LE, and not very good at RE. Dominate pass rush teams have to have a fast RE.

bsofa04
10-01-2007, 02:15 PM
Mario Williams 11 Tackles, 2 Sacks, 0 FF, 1 TD
Julius Peppers 9 Tackles, 0 Sacks, 0 FF
Michael Strahan 14 tackles, 1 Sack, 0 FF

Considering how we usually compare Williams to these two guys, it seems to me like he's had a better quarter season than these other two DE's. Get off Williams back, Okoye is dominating because of his double teams and he's clogging the running lanes. I strongly believe that his play doesn't always show up in the stats column but according to this, who's going to argue that he hasn't been a success thus far this season. Enough said.

bsofa04
10-01-2007, 02:20 PM
No problem, I did it once too. But I do agree with your point. Mario is the perfect fit for LE. The problem is that Anthony Weaver is also good at LE, and not very good at RE. Dominate pass rush teams have to have a fast RE.

Exactly. Williams is usually going to lineup against the LT. Peppers and Strahan usually lineup on the RT. Williams is having a better quarter year thus far compared to these two, and having to do it against a superior tackle. Some of the Mario haters need to understand how difficult it is to be successful against an opposing teams best offensive lineman.

BATTL3_R3D
10-01-2007, 02:56 PM
Williams can play...he has shown that. The issue is, it is hard to do anything when you have two linemen on you and then a RB if you get past the line. Once they see that by doubleing Williams is freeing up the rookie...they will stop and then watch out, sacks will come.

outofhnd
10-01-2007, 02:57 PM
Get a grip, You want to know why Okoye is getting sacks because Mario's penetration is moving QB's back up and into Okoye. PERIOD. Watch the highlights. Mario is back there as well its not like mario is getting owned by tackles.

Mario is also a balanced DE not a pass rush specialist, This year i see him breaking free of linemen and making plays.

The ATL game was great playcalling by the offense because they beat the blitz with short throws to the vacated area. we shoulda brought pressure up the middle all game bringing pressure from the edges gave Harrington better lanes.

misterpc
10-04-2007, 06:31 PM
let me preface this by saying I have always been and still am a Mario supporter.


He is disappionting me so far. We needed him to step up and play against the Falcons. He was going up against Gandy, who was never very good and is now 36 years old. Mario should have been much more disruptive vs Atlanta. Harrington is bad under pressure, but given time he can be decent (as we saw first hand). If Mario could have done more it would have been a different game IMO. I am a patient man, but I really want to see Mario start playing better. He has done nothing other than look average so far. I need to see him do more.

vinceanity
10-04-2007, 06:36 PM
it is all about consistency. Okaye so far has it and Mario lacks it.
Until he strings together severalames of domination he will get attacked.

BIG ERN
10-04-2007, 07:24 PM
it is all about consistency. Okaye so far has it and Mario lacks it.
Until he strings together severalames of domination he will get attacked.

It is called being double teamed.Mario does not lack anything.

Armor For Sleep
10-04-2007, 07:38 PM
It is called being double teamed.Mario does not lack anything.

Exactly. Okoye is reaping the benefits of Mario drawing the double teams. That's not to say that Okoye doesn't deserve his share of the credit, though.

BIG ERN
10-04-2007, 07:41 PM
Exactly. Okoye is reaping the benefits of Mario drawing the double teams. That's not to say that Okoye doesn't deserve his share of the credit, though.

EXACTLY!

TexasJedi
10-04-2007, 08:07 PM
I'm just glad the Texans have someone to take advantage of mismatches and double teams. The Texans haven't seen a defensive tackle play as well as Amobi since Gary Walker in 2002.

Vinny
10-04-2007, 08:16 PM
It is called being double teamed.Mario does not lack anything.
...outside of instinct and technique. Mario is still too raw and still has a ways to go....but I think he is getting there. No doubt about his physical ability...but It makes me cringe every time he runs himself out of plays.

DeclanJr
10-04-2007, 08:20 PM
Mario is not constantly being double-teamed. He is being blocked by one man the majority of the time.

Texicano
10-04-2007, 08:43 PM
The Texans will never cut Mario because if they did that they admit that they made one of the biggest draft day mistakes in the history of the NFL. :eek:

flatoniakid
10-04-2007, 09:07 PM
Have you gone back and looked at the game? I know I certainly haven't...and until then, you can't tell me that the sack from Okoye wasn't Mario drawing a double team. Teams already know what Mario can do...and thus they have been challenging Okoye to make plays. Thankfully he has. These two will be great for a long time.
Well said, they will grieve many qb's.:)

misterpc
10-05-2007, 12:47 AM
Its a very convient excuse to say "Mario gets double teamed every play" but its not really true. Mario has certainly not been bad, he has basically been average. I need to see him be awesome. We need better production from him. There is no reason why he shouldnt have been able to dominate Gandy and at least pick up one sack. Lets not attribute Okoye's success to Mario. Isnt TJ the one playing next to Mario? If anything he would be the one reaping the benifits from Mario's double teams. My point is, Okoye's success is his own doing, and Mario's mediocrity is also his own doing. Williams needs to step it up and deliver, Im tired of exusing his average performance.

Grid
10-05-2007, 12:48 AM
they say Defensive End is the most difficult position to learn how to play.

I like how our defensive line is looking, as a whole. It isnt the best Dline in the NFL (yet) but it will continue to get better as these young players mature.

I am confident that Mario will keep improving every season. He may not go to the pro bowl this year, but I think in another season or two, he will be one of the best DEs in the league.

Alpha-Male
10-05-2007, 11:22 AM
The negative reactions on the board seem like the kind of comments that come from fans who expected their team to go to the Super Bowl... guys - we're a long, long way away. Don't jump off the wagon because of one bad loss. Newsflash - it won't be the last bad loss of the season... we're a young team, and our coaches are making 'young' mistakes too. It happens.

But hey - there's no reason we can't criticize... the pieces that deserve it... just have some class about it.

What ^^ he said!!!

3andOUT
10-05-2007, 12:23 PM
Calling Mario Williams a bust is just ignorant. The guy has two sacks already and will get more before the season is over. My only problem with the guy is that he too often gets hung up with one blocker. He should be shedding those guys and ways, other than the bull rush, to get in the backfield.

I agree that Mario and I think Weaver at the other end had a lot to do with Okoye's sack. Part of the problem was that Harrington was just getting rid of the ball quickly. His receivers were getting open and he was very accurate.

I usually don't like making generalizations but anybody who says Mario is a bust is some real, authentic kind of stupid. He may be a bust (I personally think he will be a monster), but you can't even throw that word around until AT LEAST 3-4 years down the road. I find it really hard to believe that the 1st three picks of one draft can all be busts in the span of a little over a year.
Because Bush is having a slow start, Vince is having some problems throwing the ball and Mario isn't playing like a man amongst boys that they are all busts.

I understand the frustration after all that hullabaloo last year, but expecting the guy to be a world beater in his second year may be asking too much. Let the guy play, let the defense play, they are still getting accustomed to eachother and I guarantee, they will get better.....much much much better

outofhnd
10-05-2007, 12:26 PM
Hes getting in there people, OKOYE and mario line up next to each other a lot. Mario switches to RE on certain plays plays RE usually on first and second and shorts. Second and long and 3rd down he moves to LDE.

I guess TJ was a bust to yet he is becoming a factor this year too. Our whole front is fantastic all specialists doing different things.

DeclanJr
10-05-2007, 12:32 PM
I just wish we would bring more guys sometimes. Rushing 4 against 5 or more doesn't put the odds of getting to the quarterback in your favor. It didn't exactly work in the Falcons game, but I think there were some coverage issues. Hopefully that gets resolved.

sleepwalker
10-05-2007, 12:38 PM
Come on Mario, we want more hate and emotion from you. We know you're doing everything you're told to do. We know you're going against some of the highest paid players in the league and it's not easy.

We want you to ignore the pressure and just do what you love to do, PLAY.

misterpc
10-05-2007, 12:40 PM
It is way too early to call Mario a bust, and it would be false anyway because he is a very serviceable DE. So far he has not been great though, only about average. He has the ability to be a monster, and I fully expect him to develop and progress as he gets more experience. But right now he is not playing at the level I would have liked. I want more production from Mario.

HydrOshocK
10-05-2007, 02:50 PM
I just wish we would bring more guys sometimes. Rushing 4 against 5 or more doesn't put the odds of getting to the quarterback in your favor. It didn't exactly work in the Falcons game, but I think there were some coverage issues. Hopefully that gets resolved.

That's the thing. You can't exactly bring a lot of blitz packages when you have secondary problems like us because it exposes more of the field that is already being exploited. Any time a team knows where they can and can't throw the ball they are just waiting for the defense to bring an extra rusher so they can get the matchups they want in space.

Blitzes are only going to work for our team if they do a better job disguising them so they don't know where the pressure is coming from. Otherwise, a good QB like Manning will immediately audible to a play to exploit the space left by the blitzer. If we were solid in the back end we wouldn't have to worry about it because the DBs would keep the QB honest and force him to hold the ball longer, increasing the chances the blitzer will get there.

With that said, if Smith intends to use more blitz packages then he either needs to fix the secondary first or disguise them better, otherwise we will continue to get burned. Personally I'd like to see our front 4 create enough consistent pressure that we don't have to worry about it.

3andOUT
10-05-2007, 02:54 PM
That's the thing. You can't exactly bring a lot of blitz packages when you have secondary problems like us because it exposes more of the field that is already being exploited. Any time a team knows where they can and can't throw the ball they are just waiting for the defense to bring an extra rusher so they can get the matchups they want in space.

Blitzes are only going to work for our team if they do a better job disguising them so they don't know where the pressure is coming from. Otherwise, a good QB like Manning will immediately audible to a play to exploit the space left by the blitzer. If we were solid in the back end we wouldn't have to worry about it because the DBs would keep the QB honest and force him to hold the ball longer, increasing the chances the blitzer will get there.

With that said, if Smith intends to use more blitz packages then he either needs to fix the secondary first or disguise them better, otherwise we will continue to get burned. Personally I'd like to see our front 4 create enough consistent pressure that we don't have to worry about it.

Yah, sending guys can leave some gaping holes in the secondary a lot of the time with a young secondary, but I think the coaches just need to mix it up a little more. Send guys more, but find a good balance and don't let the QB establish a rhythym

HydrOshocK
10-05-2007, 02:56 PM
Yah, sending guys can leave some gaping holes in the secondary a lot of the time with a young secondary, but I think the coaches just need to mix it up a little more. Send guys more, but find a good balance and don't let the QB establish a rhythym

Easier said than done ;)

UnH!nged
10-05-2007, 10:16 PM
Mario is very solid. You can't assess how good a defense end is just by sacks or hurries without asking yourself a couple of other questions first:

1.) Does he repeatedly draw double-teams?
Yes. He does. If an end commands enough respect from an O-Line to double him, then he is doing his job. When this happens, don't ask why Mario isn't getting a lot of sacks, ask why the other 3 aren't getting more.

2.) Does he contain?
Yes. I don't see teams running directly at him without a double-team or around him very often. He contains well and that is the primary function of the DE.

I would even go as far to say that Mario will be great... and soon.

schaubisgod
10-06-2007, 12:25 AM
Mario Williams is garbage? That is a rather silly comment to make. He has been a good pass rush and run stopper and is a key component to our defensive line. He may not be as explosive as Amobi, but he is still the real deal.

sleepwalker
10-06-2007, 03:11 PM
Come on Mario, we need you to offset Taylor.