All encompassing Carr thread

[Sportsjunkie]

I jumped over to the Carolina message boards to see what they think of their new CARR. Oh my, are they disgusted. Welcome to our living HELL for the past 5 seasons!! They mention that:
(1) He feels pressure when no one is there
(2) He dumps the ball off for completions without getting first downs
(3) He lacks leadership

You can give a CARR a new paint job, but the engine don't work. Enjoy the rest of the season Carolina.

Ha, Ha , Ha.

[ChrisG]

anyone catch the Jason Cole interview on sirius a few minutes ago? they spent a few minutes on carr. They seemed surprised he would not throw down field...according to them he threw past the 1st down marker 4 times, 0 completions (1 INT) :rolleyes: didn't anyone watch him in houston

[HydrOshocK]

I didn't watch that game but his stat line looks pretty pedestrian to me:

19-41......155 yrds.......1TD.......1INT.....3 sacks

[Texan_Len]

Carr was like that last year when he had time. He felt the pressure... when there was none, and he would scramble like he was being chased only to run into a defender. This dude is completely shell shocked!!! Earlier in the week, he said it is going to be good to be behind a good o-line this week... Carr sacked 3 times. Shaub once!!!!

Good luck, Carolina!!! You got a lemon!!!

[1337texansfan]

hey, at least he wore black gloves this time.

[BIG ERN]

ouch!I am sorry Carolina!You suck(now)!

[koshea]

well yeah, david wouldnt be caught dead wearing white after labor day

[SuperstarII]

LOL its that accursed O-line that is killing Carr's performance! Just ask sportswritter about it!!!

[DeclanJr]

Typical Carr performance. No one should be surprised. Steve Smith had 5 catches for 32 yds., so you know he's pissed. Watch out for Tampa Bay this year though, they look real good and they're on our schedule.

[KJLH]

Being a displaced fan of the Texans, and stuck in Florida, I actually had the displeasure of Carolina being the second game on the afternoon. I watched this game from start to finish,a nd was surprised at how this year's Carolina team looked like last year's Texans team.

[TexansFanatic]

An eye-popping 3.8 yard per attempt. Nice job, Davey. Looks like Carolina's offensive line sucks too now, eh?

[Darkninja]

I think he ran out of mousse before the game. He didn't feel pretty, therefore he didn't play pretty.

:)



That is too funny!!!

[l33z71]

well yeah, david wouldnt be caught dead wearing white after labor day




Buwahahahahahaha

[Double Barrel]

Being a displaced fan of the Texans, and stuck in Florida, I actually had the displeasure of Carolina being the second game on the afternoon. I watched this game from start to finish,a nd was surprised at how this year's Carolina team looked like last year's Texans team.

In all honesty, you should not have been surprised. :cool:

[BIG ERN]

In all honesty, you should not have been surprised. :cool:

So was it him or our offensive line?

[Sportsjunkie]

You just watch how awful Carolina line becomes overnight. All those professional talk show losers kept saying that Carolina got a steal and Schaub was going to be cursed with the same OL that Carr had.

I watched that guy (CARR) for 5 years and he NEVER improved, but only got worse. People forget. Remember when he was only allowed to audible to running plays?

It says a lot when a team just cuts you loose and says good luck and gets ZERO in return. They just want to get rid of you. PERIOD.

[DeclanJr]

Here is just another testament to how bad Carr is. Carolina plays the 0-3 Saints this week and the Saints are favored by 3 points. I was shocked. To be honest though, I would take the Saints in that game.

[SuperstarII]

Carr-bage was almost the reason why I almost dropped the Texans from my favorite team list after that extension he didn't deserve. I am so glad Rick Smith was a genius in swindling McNair from that contract. Carolina is proof that Carr is Carr-bage.

[GP]

I bet he's happy to be on such a great, new team.

Too bad his fellow players are probably having a giant-sized revelation as to why he was unceremoniously cut in Houston.

It's funny, though, to see the fans at panthershuddle,com go at each other like we did here on our own board! It's like the movie "Groundhog Day" where the same thing happens each day.

"Carr is not the problem...he had receivers dropping balls all day..."

LOL.

There's a huge firestorm there right now.

Oh man, oh man...brings back memories. And then there's hervoyel and other Texans fans that go there and try to VERY POLITELY let them know that David is not going to "wow" them anytime soon, and yet it's like they just get the cold shoulder.

They are oblivious to it.

Funny stuff.

[Grid]

I tried telling them before the season started that David has plenty of potential but is currently damaged goods. He isnt unsalvageable but he is not ready, at this point in his career, to play at an NFL level. I told them to give him a couple years riding the pine...get him a good QB coach and see if you cant break through his stubbornness and show him where he is screwing up..

They didnt want to hear it though. They basically did the internet equivalent of grabbing their pitchforks and torches and chasing me into a rickity old tower.

Whatever. They have had plenty of warnings from the Texans fans and they decided that we are all ignorant and the only reason Carr struggled here is because our offensive line was oh-so-terrible.

Looks like Delhomme is gonna be out a bit longer...lets see how long it takes them to start talking about drafting a QB on the first day this next offseason.

[Houston_Fanatic]

LOL at the Groundhog Day movie reference - that's about right.

Carolina's only chance is to get their running game going and dumb down the offense like we did last year and finally started winning games. Carr does fine as long as he is handing off the ball and has no chance of getting hit.

[TexansTrueFan84]

and what the he** is up with them white gloves he's been wearing is that some kind of fashion statment ?

[BattleRedRaider]

Since we are talking about David Carr from Houston why don't we tell this story that 90% people forgot and no Houston Texans fan will tell you. The first 2 games of 2006 Charles Spencer was the starting LT for the Houston Texans. During these games I want you to look at David Carr's stats.

WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
PHI L 10-24 1 1 18 27 66.7 208 7.7 1 0 5 37 102.1 4 25 6.3 0 --
@ IND L 24-43 1 1 22 26 84.6 219 8.4 3 0 4 28 140.2 3 10 3.3 0 3 1
(straight off of http://www.nfl.com/players/davidcarr...85&season=2006)

During this time Carr had the HIGHEST passer rating in the NFL. Higher than Matt Schuab, Higher than Jake Delhomme, Higher than Tom Brady, Higher than maybe like Peyton Manning maybe?

0 INT's, 40/53, 4 TD's, and 427 yards passing. Those are VERY nice stats and as you can see from the link he kept going pretty good for 2 more games, playing 2 crappy teams in Washington (6th Overall Pick last year) and Miami (9th Overall Pick last year.)

2 INT's, 41/58, 3 TD's, and 438 yards passing. So he's having a good year up to this point then he runs into a wall when he plays the Cowboys and only throws for 4 MORE TD'S AND 10 MORE INT'S.

Thats why I was shocked at his performance vs. the Bucs but to be fair it was his first start with the Panthers and the Bucs came ready to play. I'm not saying that he is going to be awesome but he was starting out really well until Spencer went down. A lot of it was the Defense couldn't stop anything and who asks a QB with his first career start with a team to throw 41 times? I think he will have a much better outing against the Saints (if for no other reason than The Saints D sucks) but don't let those Texans fans fool you, he started 06 out well and I was excited for one, but yeah thats what happens.

Seems to me against good teams with good teams he struggled and when the Defense's were on the level of his offensive line he was effective. Let's just face it the Bucs came to play, we need to get that fire back and stick it to them.

I wonder who would post that...

[outofhnd]

He got like 30+ yards on a busted play where tampa gave up a 36 yard screen pass to deangelo williams late in the 4th.

[WesmanTexanfan]

our early o line has scared him for life

[HydrOshocK]

I saw the exact same Carr I saw for 5 years here. Nothing has changed. He hasn't changed his mechanics, awareness, tendencies....nothing. The only thing different is the glove thing. Same throws, same short passes, same tendency to run for his life, same Carr. :rolleyes:

The Panther fans are split just like we were. Some are aware of the problem already and the rest are in pure denial (some of ours are STILL in denial). It may look like Groundhogs Day right now but the big difference is that he will not be able to fool anyone into a fat contract extension this time.

Anyone notice the lack of apologists responding to this thread? Where are the usual Carr homers?? I'm disappointed because I wanted to hear their take on his performance as a starting QB

[Just Earl]

I think Carr will go to an all time low .

[texanfan4ever]

Hey, I was a Carr homer, and all I can say is thank God we have Matt Schaub. I get the same creepy feeling trying to watch him play for Carolina as I did for him here. He's a good guy, whatever happened, however he got to the way he is now, doesn't matter any more. I can't stand to see it. It's too hard to watch.

I wish him the best, I wish Jake hadn;t gone down so early, for Carolina's sake,.

[Hookem Horns]

I wonder who would post that...

LOL, Hulk75 lives. What Panthers forum did you find this?

[Double Barrel]

I wonder who would post that...

Only someone with brotherly love in their heart would continue to delude themselves about the reality of David Carr as pro QB.

our early o line has scared him for life

yeah, that's why he had his best year three years in, 3500+ passing yards, 16 TDs. :rolleyes:

Carr, at best, would be a Trent Dilfer-type QB. One that could win with a great team around him and the focus on him would be to not make mistakes to give the games away. No way does he have it in him to carry a team to wins, though.

[BattleRedRaider]

LOL, Hulk75 lives. What Panthers forum did you find this?

The forums over at carolinahuddle.com

[ubecool454]

anyone catch the Jason Cole interview on sirius a few minutes ago? they spent a few minutes on carr. They seemed surprised he would not throw down field...according to them he threw past the 1st down marker 4 times, 0 completions (1 INT) :rolleyes: didn't anyone watch him in houston

ChrisG i recorded it and watched it again. This is still the same david, he can make any Oline look bad. Poor guy has one thing to be happy for, he got paid a bunch or millions for nothing. Still the same bad habits. I predict but midseason if Jake is not back, steve smith will blow up on him again.

[Houston_Fanatic]

I wonder who would post that...

Oh, that all sounds real good about his passer rating and all in the first 2 games.......

until you look at the breakdown and realize we were so far behind in both games that it was all in GARBAGE TIME

Nice spin, though! *snort*

[Houston_Fanatic]

The Panther fans are split just like we were. Some are aware of the problem already and the rest are in pure denial (some of ours are STILL in denial). It may look like Groundhogs Day right now but the big difference is that he will not be able to fool anyone into a fat contract extension this time.


The biggest difference btw us and the Panthers is he was our first draft pick and the face of the franchise. In Carolina, he is a disposable backup. They don't have the same emotional investment in David that we had and won't tolerate his poor play for near as long.

[Armor For Sleep]

Originally Posted by Carr8<33'sGross69

That's gotta be one of the funniest screen names I have ever seen.

[BattleRedRaider]

from carolinahuddle...

That's true, but the last two games Carr has been strong at the end, albeit too late against Tampa Bay.

He finishes strong, right guys?

[Yosarian]

from carolinahuddle...



He finishes strong, right guys?
Yes, he is finished! :eek:

[GP]

Why can't you just be happy for David and leave him alone? He's not on our team anymore, and he has a chance to do well somewhere else. I really don't understand the hate you have for him.

Sincerely,

Charley Casserly and Fans Who Are OK With Years of QB Mediocrity

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Jake is out for awhile, and Carolina gets to be part of the great Carr Project.

Should be fun...for Panthers opponents.

[Vinny]

from carolinahuddle...



He finishes strong, right guys?
gotta love those garbage time TD's....DC is the king of the TD that doesn't matter.

[aj.]

If you're not all over the Saints defense this week on your fantasy teams (even though they've totally sucked up to this point) you are missing a golden opportunity.

Steve Smith and DC are on a collision course and the rubberneckers are already lined up to view the impending wreck.

[Footballz]

LOL, Hulk75 lives. What Panthers forum did you find this?



Lol... you are not a good judge of posts. Hulk75 had multiple grammatical and spelling errors.

[schaubisgod]

I saw the high-lights of the game. All I can say is: thank god we took a new direction. Carr looked shabby and washed up, a lot of arid passes a lot of poor decisions.

[GP]

Lol... you are not a good judge of posts. Hulk75 had multiple grammatical and spelling errors.

I've got some old private messages from Hulk75...it'll show you that Hulk75 has about a 3rd Grade vocabulary and grammar level.

Was the worst of all the posters.

[Footballz]

I've got some old private messages from Hulk75...it'll show you that Hulk75 has about a 3rd Grade vocabulary and grammar level.

Was the worst of all the posters.



I was thinking maybe he is dyslexic.

[andrew6]

poor carr. Can we kick the tires?

[GP]

I was thinking maybe he is dyslexic.

Dyslexic and David's brother.

A double-whammy as it's related to posting on the Texans' boards.

:o

[Houston_Fanatic]

You know, every once in a while David played great for us, and I am hoping he does that today and beats the Saints!!!

[TexansFaninNC]

Not sure if you all say, he hurt his back and had to be carted off the field.

[Footballz]

Not sure if you all say, he hurt his back and had to be carted off the field.


He sat out a few plays. They came back and won with a kick...like the Texans!


It's a good day.

[Footballz]

Dyslexic and David's brother.

A double-whammy as it's related to posting on the Texans' boards.

:o



I don't think posting at the Texans boards has made a major impact on Darren's life.

I have a brother in law who is dyslexic. He had a slower start in life as learning was initially difficult. Lol.. he's not an English teacher but is very successful as an adult.

[Griz]

Looks like things worked today for him. 10 for 19 and one TD. Hope he continues to do well.

[Footballz]

He is injured.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20071007/ca_pr_on_fo/nfl_car_no_2

David Carr walked gingerly out of the locker room and bent down slowly, grimacing and holding his back straight as he placed a set of headphones in the pocket of a suitcase.

Simply walking out of the Louisiana Superdome was a struggle once Sunday's game against the Saints ended. But a combination of pain pills, shots, grit and inspiration drawn from his teammates gave Carr enough strength to lead Carolina to a come-from-behind 16-13 victory.

Carr hit Steve Smith for a game-tying, 17-yard touchdown in the fourth quarter, then hit Smith again to set up John Kasay's 52-yard winning field goal as time expired.

[misterpc]

Carr was not impressive against NO. He threw for 119 yards, 59% comp rate, 1 TD, 1 INT, and a sack (not good production from a QB). That was the first sack the Saints got all season btw. The Saints totally blew it, they had every opportunity to win the game. Dropped pass in the endzone + botched 19 yard kick with little time left in the 4th quarter, dropped passes all over the place, their whole effort was very amatuerish. The Saints should not have lost this game, they totally gave it away.

[GP]

Carr was not impressive against NO. He threw for 119 yards, 59% comp rate, 1 TD, 1 INT, and a sack (not good production from a QB). That was the first sack the Saints got all season btw. The Saints totally blew it, they had every opportunity to win the game. Dropped pass in the endzone + botched 19 yard kick with little time left in the 4th quarter, dropped passes all over the place, their whole effort was very amatuerish. The Saints should not have lost this game, they totally gave it away.

I give Carr the credit for getting tough, coming back, and keeping it together.

But as misterpc points out: Typical Carr win, where the other team helps him out and David gets around 120-yards passing.

[BIG ERN]

He is a tough son of a gun.He still blows in my book.

[edo783]

He has never been accused of not being tough. However, with the whole gloves so he doesn't touch the centers butt thing.......well, in the words of Hank Hill "That boy just ain't right".

[Footballz]

I give Carr the credit for getting tough, coming back, and keeping it together.

But as misterpc points out: Typical Carr win, where the other team helps him out and David gets around 120-yards passing.


He would have had way more yards but Steve Smith dropped two balls...the one I saw was way down the field and put right in his hands.

[Footballz]

He has never been accused of not being tough. However, with the whole gloves so he doesn't touch the centers butt thing.......well, in the words of Hank Hill "That boy just ain't right".

Why David wears gloves:

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070927/SPORTS/709270490/1002/SPORTS

Kurt Warner wearing gloves:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/1004cardsnb1005.html

[Sportswriter79]

Why can't you just be happy for David and leave him alone? He's not on our team anymore, and he has a chance to do well somewhere else. I really don't understand the hate you have for him.

Sincerely,

Charley Casserly and Fans Who Are OK With Years of QB Mediocrity

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Jake is out for awhile, and Carolina gets to be part of the great Carr Project.

Should be fun...for Panthers opponents.

Not for the last two opponents though.

Seeing the Texans evolve into a winning organization is enough for me. I don't have to see David Carr do poorly in the rest of his career to feel good about our football team.

Congrats to Carr on the last 2 wins!

[misterpc]

Not for the last two opponents though.

Seeing the Texans evolve into a winning organization is enough for me. I don't have to see David Carr do poorly in the rest of his career to feel good about our football team.

Congrats to Carr on the last 2 wins!

Actually, the Panthers lost against Tampa Bay (week 4), but dont let that little detail get in your way. Here are David Carr's combined stats for the last two games:

50% comp rate, 274 total passing yards, 2 TD, 2 INT, 4 sacks

I think its safe to say that is not good production from a quarterback.

[HoustonTexans4Life]

Well, it looks like we will be seeing more of Carr...

ESPNews reports that Delhomme will miss the rest of the season.

Whoever has Steve Smith, time to drop him.

[misterpc]

yep, Carr is starting for the rest of the season now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3054365

Here is his big chance to show what he is capable of.

[Jeff]

Lot of haters still around. Schaub looked like Carr yesterday throwing high, holding the ball, getting sacked, interceptions. Thank God for Kris Brown!

[DeclanJr]

Lot of haters still around. Schaub looked like Carr yesterday throwing high, holding the ball, getting sacked, interceptions. Thank God for Kris Brown!

Schaub did things that Carr could never have done. Get a clue! He had some bad throws, but to compare him to Carr is idiotic!

[moses77550]

So Carr will get his shot to lead a "playoff":) team to the promise land. Dellomme is out for the season. NFL network has been showing it. Now, the world will know what we were dealing with. But Good Luck DC!

[DeclanJr]

I'm sensing some sarcasm, but OK. This thread has been played out in the NFL section. Personally, I want to see Carr fall flat on his face. The statistics are the same for him. The country will see what we all saw soon enough. I am so happy that we have Schaub that I can't put it into words.

[aj.]

The difference between Schaub and Carr is that Schaub, on his worst day, passes for nearly 300 yards and completes four passes for 58 yards in a minute when it mattered despite starting on his own three yard line.

I saw enough of the other QB (as did Kubiak and Smith) to know that he's not capable of such things. Not hating - just stating the obvious.

Houston Texans at 01:33

1-10-HOU 3 (1:33) 35-S.Gado to HOU 4 for 1 yard (54-Z.Thomas).
2-9-HOU 4 (:54) 8-M.Schaub pass short right to 81-O.Daniels pushed ob at HOU 23 for 19 yards (24-R.Hill).
1-10-HOU 23 (:47) 8-M.Schaub pass incomplete short left to 89-D.Anderson.
2-10-HOU 23 (:42) 8-M.Schaub pass short middle to 81-O.Daniels to HOU 37 for 14 yards (22-M.Lehan).
Timeout #1 by HOU at 00:36.
1-10-HOU 37 (:36) 8-M.Schaub pass deep middle to 89-D.Anderson to MIA 44 for 19 yards (22-M.Lehan).
Timeout #2 by HOU at 00:22.
1-10-MIA 44 (:22) 8-M.Schaub pass short middle to 83-K.Walter to MIA 38 for 6 yards (25-W.Allen).
2-4-MIA 38 (:22) 8-M.Schaub spiked the ball to stop the clock.
3-4-MIA 38 (:06) 3-K.Brown 57 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-48-B.Pittman, Holder-1-M.Turk.

[moses77550]

Yea I luv me some Schuab. This guy seems to be the real deal. I can't wait untill Andre, Jacoby and Ahman come back.

[DeclanJr]

The difference between Schaub and Carr is that Schaub, on his worst day as a pro, passes for nearly 300 yards and completed four passes for 58 yards in a minute when it mattered despite starting on his own three yard line.

I saw enough of the other QB (as did Kubiak and Smith) to know that he's not capable of such things.

Houston Texans at 01:33

1-10-HOU 3 (1:33) 35-S.Gado to HOU 4 for 1 yard (54-Z.Thomas).
2-9-HOU 4 (:54) 8-M.Schaub pass short right to 81-O.Daniels pushed ob at HOU 23 for 19 yards (24-R.Hill).
1-10-HOU 23 (:47) 8-M.Schaub pass incomplete short left to 89-D.Anderson.
2-10-HOU 23 (:42) 8-M.Schaub pass short middle to 81-O.Daniels to HOU 37 for 14 yards (22-M.Lehan).
Timeout #1 by HOU at 00:36.
1-10-HOU 37 (:36) 8-M.Schaub pass deep middle to 89-D.Anderson to MIA 44 for 19 yards (22-M.Lehan).
Timeout #2 by HOU at 00:22.
1-10-MIA 44 (:22) 8-M.Schaub pass short middle to 83-K.Walter to MIA 38 for 6 yards (25-W.Allen).
2-4-MIA 38 (:22) 8-M.Schaub spiked the ball to stop the clock.
3-4-MIA 38 (:06) 3-K.Brown 57 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-48-B.Pittman, Holder-1-M.Turk.

That doesn't even count the yards called back because of holding. He could have almost had 400 yds this week without that. JMO.

[infantrycak]

That doesn't even count the yards called back because of holding. He could have almost had 400 yds this week without that. JMO.

Plus the refs being more than a little generous with allowing contact by DB's.

[DeclanJr]

Yea I luv me some Schuab. This guy seems to be the real deal. I can't wait untill Andre, Jacoby and Ahman come back.

Schaub wins me over every week. I can remember the team we had last year and it was just sad and boring. We have been struck by the injury bug this year and that sucks. That hit on AJ was dirty! When he comes back and Jacoby comes back it will improve our offense and our field position on special teams. We would have beat the Falcons without all the injuries...JMO!

[Ole Miss Texan]

I have no ill feelings towards Carr whatsoever. He wasn't the QB for us and that's it. The old staff never gave him a chance to succeed, never gave our team a chance either.

I hope Carr the best in Carolina. We already beat them and they are in the NFC, so we won't face them regularly. I wish him the best.

As for Matt Schaub- he's got pro bowl qb written all over him..and MVP of the league if we make the playoffs! (Tom Brady just needs to slow down and quit throwing all those TD's though)

[DeclanJr]

I have no ill feelings towards Carr whatsoever. He wasn't the QB for us and that's it. The old staff never gave him a chance to succeed, never gave our team a chance either.

I hope Carr the best in Carolina. We already beat them and they are in the NFC, so we won't face them regularly. I wish him the best.

As for Matt Schaub- he's got pro bowl qb written all over him..and MVP of the league if we make the playoffs! (Tom Brady just needs to slow down and quit throwing all those TD's though)

LOL! Pretty funny! Schaub is No. 5 in the league in passing yards at this point. That is pretty awesome! Personally I don't root for Carr to do well. He had 5 yrs. worth of chances with equal quality personnel that Schaub is working with.

[Headhunter]

I kinda feel sorry for Carr ....I think he could have been better if he hadn't taken such a beating his first couple of years. I think he is so shell shocked now that he won't ever do any better.

[Wolverine]

This should be interesting. Especially the reactions on this forum in the coming weeks. :D

[TEXANator]

Poor kid. Hewas looking forward to looking cute on the sidelines with his white gloves, moussed hair, and clipboard.:eek:

[LBC_Justin]

Lot of haters still around. Schaub looked like Carr yesterday throwing high, holding the ball, getting sacked, interceptions. Thank God for Kris Brown!
What game were you watching?

Interceptions....you mean Interception. He threw only one and it was a horrible pass that hit his receiver right in the HANDS. LOL.

He was sacked twice. (By some no-name rookie named Jason Taylor)

Matt Schaub threw for 294 yards in our victory...For those keeping score at home, that's 120 yards better than Carr's career average In 79 games Carr has only thrown for more yards than that 5 times. We lost ALL 5 of those games by an average of 14.5 points. (Translation: Carr only put up decent numbers in garbage time against prevent defenses.)

Disappointingly, Schaub didn't get any help from the running game this week. If had had that help this game would have been a blowout.

Now with all of this said I have no ill will towards Carr....at least not now that he is gone. I do feel for Panther fans and hope for their sake a "light goes on" in Carr's head.

Sadly, As far as Number one overall picks go....Carr was a bust.

As long as Schaub is healthy we will be in every game we play.

[Footballz]

Well, it looks like we will be seeing more of Carr...

ESPNews reports that Delhomme will miss the rest of the season.

Whoever has Steve Smith, time to drop him.


Yes, I saw him drop two balls that were right on the money. There's a thread on the Panthers board wondering what was wrong with Steve this week. I expect him back at full strength next game.

[El Tejano]

Lot of haters still around. Schaub looked like Carr yesterday throwing high, holding the ball, getting sacked, interceptions. Thank God for Kris Brown!

Yeah, at times it seemed that way. Then, Schaub took us on a drive from our own 3 yard line for the game winning FG and I knew it was Schaub and not Carr.

[outofhnd]

Steve Smith won the Saints game by himself. By breaking the tackle on the short pass and gaining the extra yards needed.

[Sportswriter79]

Steve Smith won the Saints game by himself. By breaking the tackle on the short pass and gaining the extra yards needed.


Really. Who threw him the pass?

Nice final Carr-led drives to put them in a position to win the game !

[misterpc]

Really. Who threw him the pass?

Nice final Carr-led drives to put them in a position to win the game !

dude give up. Steve Smith carried two Saints tacklers forward a few yards for that first down. If he hadnt done that, Carr's thow would have been yards short of the first down, setting up 4th down probably outside of field goal range. Carr did not play very well, his performance in that game wast anything special nor was it any better than what he did here.

[Griz]

I hope he does well. I am sure the reason he chose NC is because he felt he may get a chance to start and have a chance to be in the playoffs. I have no hard feeling toward Carr.

[LBC_Justin]

Really. Who threw him the pass?

Nice final Carr-led drives to put them in a position to win the game !

Sportswriter79, I see you constantly defending Carr. I would like to hear you opinion on this statement:

- In just his 5th game as a Texan, with our best running and receiving weapons out due to injury and with little run support, Matt Schaub threw for 294 yards in our victory...For those keeping score at home, that's 120 yards better than Carr's career average. In 79 games Carr has only thrown for more yards than that 5 times. We lost ALL 5 of those games by an average of 14.5 points. (Translation: Carr only put up decent numbers in garbage time against prevent defenses.)

I would like to here your defense and comments on that statement.

[BattleRedRaider]

Really. Who threw him the pass?

Nice final Carr-led drives to put them in a position to win the game !

So what if Carr threw the ball?

He hands off the ball to the running backs, too. You also want to claim that Carr leads the team to victory if the RB's have 300 yards rushing in a game?

[Just Earl]

Really. Who threw him the pass?

Nice final Carr-led drives to put them in a position to win the game !

I think Elway ended up with 30 4th quarter drives to win the game .

Come on Dave only 28 more .

[Footballz]

I hope he does well. I am sure the reason he chose NC is because he felt he may get a chance to start and have a chance to be in the playoffs. I have no hard feeling toward Carr.


Do you remember all the posters slamming Carr for going to the Panthers?

They thought he should go to a team where he could start.

[Footballz]

Really. Who threw him the pass?

Nice final Carr-led drives to put them in a position to win the game !


I saw that.

[Footballz]

dude give up. Steve Smith carried two Saints tacklers forward a few yards for that first down. .


Dude, Smith dropped two balls that were right to him.

[misterpc]

Dude, Smith dropped two balls that were right to him.

There is no way other than complete ineptitude that the Saints could have lost that game. Steve Smith is an Andre Johnson caliber player, and w/o him Carr would have been up **** creek with no paddle. Smith dropped some, just like almost every reciever in that game (it was an ugly game). I dont have any ill feelings toward Carr, nor do I have any illusions about his ability.

[HomeGrownTexan]

I love how all these Carr boys disappear after a horrible game by Carr then pop back up after a below average (well sadly above average, borderline great by Carr's standards) peformance. Carr sucks and there's not much more to add. That performance by Carr is the most your ever going to get out of him and he barely beat the Aints.

[outofhnd]

If the saints make their field goal after Carr throws an interception to counter Drew Brees's Interception, this is a non factor. Carr has thrown shot passes that his receivers have broken for points. The only impressive play by Carr was that leap over Derrick brooks for a first down. He still doesnt string out plays with his scrambling, has he even thrown a pass to his TE?

[Texicano]

I hope Carr does well in his new home and makes the most out of the opportunity in front of him. ;)

[Footballz]

I love how all these Carr boys disappear after a horrible game by Carr then pop back up after a below average (well sadly above average, borderline great by Carr's standards) peformance. Carr sucks and there's not much more to add. That performance by Carr is the most your ever going to get out of him and he barely beat the Aints.


Where have you been? :confused:

[GP]

I just don't understand why you get so pumped up over a former Texans player.

I didn't post in the NFL section when Corey Bradford had a good game for the Lions, or when Tony Hollings had 3 yards on 12 attempts during the preseason last year with Indy, or when any other former Texans player "did good" somewhere.

It's less of a "hate" thing and more of a "They're not a Texans player anymore" thing for me.

To watch you guys high five each other when David does a mediocre job in Carolina, the same mediocre job he did here at Houston which got us bupkus in the end, is sorta creepy and weird.

How you get so excited about him is beyond me.

It's a situation, IMO, of you guys liking an individual player more than a team itself. I am 100% behind all Texans players, and then I really have no more cheer in me for any other player on any other team. I am consumed by MY T-E-A-M and I roll hard with my team. Even when David was here and was stinking it up at the end, I still rolled with him through the bad times because he was a Texans player on the Texans roster.

But once his head was on the chopping block, and especially when he said some things that he said in the media (about MY T-E-A-M) when he went to "his great, new team that he loves and thinks is better than the Texans..." well, that was the day I stopped cheering for David Carr.

I'm a team guy. I guess it's not for everyone.

[Footballz]

There is no way other than complete ineptitude that the Saints could have lost that game. Steve Smith is an Andre Johnson caliber player, and w/o him Carr would have been up **** creek with no paddle. Smith dropped some, just like almost every reciever in that game (it was an ugly game). I dont have any ill feelings toward Carr, nor do I have any illusions about his ability.

Ah, yes. Let's move on...to the ineptitude of the Fins

[Sportswriter79]

Ah, yes. Let's move on...to the ineptitude of the Fins

OK. Game Recap on Fins:

We were able to successfully execute one TD drive against the bottom-of-the-barrel Dolphins last weekend, including the fact that they had to resort to using their 2nd string QB. The rest of our drives were so weak that Kris Brown had to produce a record day of 5 FGs, including 3 of them over 50 yds, to eek out a last minute win against the hapless Dolphins. Don't focus on the [in]effectiveness of the offense, just look at the stats. They were great.

[281lxm]

On NFL Live, Mark Sclera (spelling) ended the show expecting that the rookie QB on the roster for Carolina will take over for DC. "DC has proven he cannot play in this league...paraphrased quote" He holds the ball too long and it got him hurt this time. Could be just a lineman's POV, but we know that as the truth.

[Just Earl]

OK. Game Recap on Fins:

We were able to successfully execute one TD drive against the bottom-of-the-barrel Dolphins last weekend, including the fact that they had to resort to using their 2nd string QB. The rest of our drives were so weak that Kris Brown had to produce a record day of 5 FGs, including 3 of them over 50 yds, to eek out a last minute win against the hapless Dolphins. Don't focus on the [in]effectiveness of the offense, just look at the stats. They were great.

In case you and footballz forgot ... the Texans kicked the crap out of Carolina . A team your boy could'nt start for .

[Just Earl]

On NFL Live, Mark Sclera (spelling) ended the show expecting that the rookie QB on the roster for Carolina will take over for DC. "DC has proven he cannot play in this league...paraphrased quote" He holds the ball too long and it got him hurt this time. Could be just a lineman's POV, but we know that as the truth.

Yea ... but he wears gloves now .

These gloves were worn by Sammy Davis jr at the Sands Hotel ... they're magic .

[Sportswriter79]

In case you and footballz forgot ... the Texans kicked the crap out of Carolina . A team your boy could'nt start for .

Of course he "could'nt".

Who said anything about the Panthers? I was just making an observation regarding the our Texans' (and your boy's, as you phrase it) results on Sunday. Looking like a long afternoon ahead in Jacksonville.

[Houston_Fanatic]

Of course he "could'nt".

Who said anything about the Panthers? I was just making an observation regarding the our Texans' (and your boy's, as you phrase it) results on Sunday. Looking like a long afternoon ahead in Jacksonville.

I guess if we struggle you will find it as funny as you found the first half of the Falcon's game, huh?

[SuperstarII]

Dude, Smith dropped two balls that were right to him.

hmmmm dejavu


Johnson dropped two balls that were right to him.........



Are you sure you ain't hulk75?

[HomeGrownTexan]

OK. Game Recap on Fins:

We were able to successfully execute one TD drive against the bottom-of-the-barrel Dolphins last weekend, including the fact that they had to resort to using their 2nd string QB. The rest of our drives were so weak that Kris Brown had to produce a record day of 5 FGs, including 3 of them over 50 yds, to eek out a last minute win against the hapless Dolphins. Don't focus on the [in]effectiveness of the offense, just look at the stats. They were great.

That is a complete joke, take S. Smith (the guy who really saved DC's a**) away and see how Carr does. Schaub is a better QB despite having less weapons right now.

Wake up and realize your boy sucks. I swear I have never seen anybody so blind to things that are so obvious.

[ubecool454]

That is a complete joke, take S. Smith (the guy who really saved DC's a**) away and see how Carr does. Schaub is a better QB despite having less weapons right now.

Wake up and realize your boy sucks. I swear I have never seen anybody so blind to things that are so obvious.

Even though andre, jacoby, ahman are all out....the texans still have more weapons than the panthers. They have steve smith, foster, if you want to call deangelo a weapon...then it stops there. But I do agree with you on carr sucking ...he does suck.

[LBC_Justin]

Sportswriter79, I see you constantly defending Carr. I would like to hear you opinion on this statement:

- In just his 5th game as a Texan, with our best running and receiving weapons out due to injury and with little run support, Matt Schaub threw for 294 yards in our victory...For those keeping score at home, that's 120 yards better than Carr's career average. In 79 games Carr has only thrown for more yards than that 5 times. We lost ALL 5 of those games by an average of 14.5 points. (Translation: Carr only put up decent numbers in garbage time against prevent defenses.)

I would like to here your defense and comments on that statement.

Sportswriter79, ^^^^ I still would be curious to hear a response to this. ^^^^

[HydrOshocK]

I just don't understand why you get so pumped up over a former Texans player.

I didn't post in the NFL section when Corey Bradford had a good game for the Lions, or when Tony Hollings had 3 yards on 12 attempts during the preseason last year with Indy, or when any other former Texans player "did good" somewhere.

It's less of a "hate" thing and more of a "They're not a Texans player anymore" thing for me.

To watch you guys high five each other when David does a mediocre job in Carolina, the same mediocre job he did here at Houston which got us bupkus in the end, is sorta creepy and weird.

How you get so excited about him is beyond me.

It's a situation, IMO, of you guys liking an individual player more than a team itself. I am 100% behind all Texans players, and then I really have no more cheer in me for any other player on any other team. I am consumed by MY T-E-A-M and I roll hard with my team. Even when David was here and was stinking it up at the end, I still rolled with him through the bad times because he was a Texans player on the Texans roster.

But once his head was on the chopping block, and especially when he said some things that he said in the media (about MY T-E-A-M) when he went to "his great, new team that he loves and thinks is better than the Texans..." well, that was the day I stopped cheering for David Carr.

I'm a team guy. I guess it's not for everyone.

I agree. I don't understand how some people can set aside their loyalty for the team in exchange for loyalty of a former player. They seem to be satisfied when our team falters because it gives them some sense of retribution.

As for Carr, he now has the opportunity to redeem himself in Carolina. He's a starting QB again. So far he has picked up right where he left off with a high completion percentage of short dump off passes behind the first down marker. Erratic throws, bad decision making, poor mechanics, etc. It's the same song and dance. There are no more excuses, no more hiding behind "bad offensive lines" on a team that has "no weapons". IMO it's time for Carr to put up or shut up.

I suspect it won't take long for Steve Smith to throw him under the bus.

[Sportswriter79]

That is a complete joke, take S. Smith (the guy who really saved DC's a**) away and see how Carr does. Schaub is a better QB despite having less weapons right now.

Wake up and realize your boy sucks. I swear I have never seen anybody so blind to things that are so obvious.

Given your low opinion of Carr, why do you continue to use him as a benchmark to compare Schaub? Saying that Schaub is better than Carr really isn't saying much given your opinion.

Listen, I'm just looking at the results vs. the Dolphins. If you that was an impressive and competitive offensive showing then fine, but I disagree. I don't think that it will be nearly enough vs. the Jags, Titans, or Chargers.

We lost to the Falcons and had to have kicking heroics to beat the Dolphins. The competition is getting harder beginning next week. That's all I'm saying.

[Sportswriter79]

I guess if we struggle you will find it as funny as you found the first half of the Falcon's game, huh?

HF - Funny as in "sad". The first half of the Falcons game, coming right on the back of a pretty good effort vs. the Colts was disappointing. It showed that the team has not developed consistency, and doesn't really deserve the hype that it has been garnering.

While our team is an improving team, it is not yet a proven competitive team. Our 3 wins have been vs. the Chiefs, Panthers and Dolphins; none of whom look like playoff teams yet. Most observers would agree with that, as I think you would.

We have a chance to change that with a couple of wins over the next 3 weeks. Hopefully that will happen.

[IMA TEXAN]

Not as funny as the first half of the Falcons game though.

Sportswriter79: Good to see you are finally admitting the truth not you are not a Texans fan and in fact root against the Texans and are happy when things go poorly for them. So no more of your posts pretending to be a Texans fan or using "we" to refer to the Texans.

After Sunday's games, it seems you have a more important task anyway: you should be on the Carolina boards full time explaining how great David Carr is.

Of course he "could'nt".

Who said anything about the Panthers? I was just making an observation regarding the our Texans' (and your boy's, as you phrase it) results on Sunday. Looking like a long afternoon ahead in Jacksonville.

Given your low opinion of Carr, why do you continue to use him as a benchmark to compare Schaub? Saying that Schaub is better than Carr really isn't saying much given your opinion.

Listen, I'm just looking at the results vs. the Dolphins. If you that was an impressive and competitive offensive showing then fine, but I disagree. I don't think that it will be nearly enough vs. the Jags, Titans, or Chargers.

We lost to the Falcons and had to have kicking heroics to beat the Dolphins. The competition is getting harder beginning next week. That's all I'm saying.

I already told you in the post above STOP REFERRING TO A TEAM YOU HATE AS "OUR TEXANS" AND "WE".

"YOU" beat the Falcons and don't play the Dolphins this year.

Although you do have a good point that Carr sucks and the fact that Schaub is far superior to Carr is setting the bar too low. I guess the reason some people keep making the point that Schaub is a vast improvement over Carr is that some trolls who think that Carr is a great QB keep criticizing Schaub (e.g. not impressive against Dolphins) when actual Texans fans know that Schaub at his worst did what it took to pull out the win; something that Carr rarely did here even at his best.

[LBC_Justin]

I guess Sportswriter79 is not going to respond to my last two posts. oh well. I will move on.

[HuttoKarl]

I guess Sportswriter79 is not going to respond to my last two posts. oh well. I will move on.

Consider yourself lucky.

[Vinny]

why do you guys keep arguing with DC's relatives? What makes you think they will change their minds about him?

[infantrycak]

why do you guys keep arguing with DC's relatives? What makes you think they will change their minds about him?

Geez--it is like trying to get your kids to stop scratching poison ivy.

[SuperstarII]

LOL

we mess with the them because its fun. :D

[JustBonee]

Geez--it is like trying to get your kids to stop scratching poison ivy.

oh ... did you have to mention that ... ME this week ... lol
best friend: Zanfel :D

[Just Earl]

why do you guys keep arguing with DC's relatives? What makes you think they will change their minds about him?

Cause the Leaf's and Couch's don't post .

[Footballz]

[QUOTE=IMA TEXAN;50029]I already told you in the post above STOP REFERRING TO A TEAM YOU HATE AS "OUR TEXANS" AND "WE".

"YOU" beat the Falcons and don't play the Dolphins this year.
QUOTE]



Get a grip. You can "tell" all you want. Lol..lol..lol :)

[Footballz]

LOL

we mess with the them because its fun. :D




It's not too hard to amuse yourself, is it? :D

[Yosarian]

I heard Carr won one. Good for him.

+1

[HydrOshocK]

HF - Funny as in "sad". The first half of the Falcons game, coming right on the back of a pretty good effort vs. the Colts was disappointing. It showed that the team has not developed consistency, and doesn't really deserve the hype that it has been garnering.

While our team is an improving team, it is not yet a proven competitive team. Our 3 wins have been vs. the Chiefs, Panthers and Dolphins; none of whom look like playoff teams yet. Most observers would agree with that, as I think you would.

We have a chance to change that with a couple of wins over the next 3 weeks. Hopefully that will happen.

What hype is it that they don't deserve exactly? If you mean the talk about this being a much improved team....it's true. If you mean the talk about Schaub being a legitimate starting QB, that is also true. Perhaps you're referring to the talk about the Texans being a team that doesn't quit......true. Our first round draft picks starting to pay off.....true again. I agree with you that they haven't developed consistency but nobody is over hyping this team, they are simply giving credit where credit is due.

The Texans are most certainly a competitive team. Most observers would agree with that.

No offense intended but I just don't see what fun there is in always downing their efforts and pointing out their shortcomings. Exactly what standards do they have to meet before you'll completely get behind them?

[infantrycak]

Exactly what standards do they have to meet before you'll completely get behind them?

Ooh, ooh--I know this one. Bring back David Carr.

[Sportswriter79]

What hype is it that they don't deserve exactly? If you mean the talk about this being a much improved team....it's true. If you mean the talk about Schaub being a legitimate starting QB, that is also true. Perhaps you're referring to the talk about the Texans being a team that doesn't quit......true. Our first round draft picks starting to pay off.....true again. I agree with you that they haven't developed consistency but nobody is over hyping this team, they are simply giving credit where credit is due.

The Texans are most certainly a competitive team. Most observers would agree with that.

No offense intended but I just don't see what fun there is in always downing their efforts and pointing out their shortcomings. Exactly what standards do they have to meet before you'll completely get behind them?

I am behind them in the sense that I am a season ticket holder and go every game, as I have for years. I hope they go the playoffs one day; I have great seats.

Are they a better team than last year? I think so, because they have more talent. They should be better with guys like Schaub, Ahman, Jacoby, Andre Davis, Danny Clark, Matt Turk, and Amobi.

Do I believe that they have turned the corner and can compete against better teams? I think the jury is still out. I see passing stats, but not a lot of offensive TDs except for the Carolina game. But the passing stats should be better because their are more targets and a real running threat with Ahman that weren't present last year.

The next three games are tough. If we can win 2 of those 3 then that would certainly indicate that we can compete at a higher level, and maybe we have a chance to record our first winning season. That would result in a mid-season record of 5-3. I think that the Jacksonville game will tell us a lot.

[Sportswriter79]

Ooh, ooh--I know this one. Bring back David Carr.

Ooh, ooh--wrong.

[HomeGrownTexan]

No offense intended but I just don't see what fun there is in always downing their efforts and pointing out their shortcomings. Exactly what standards do they have to meet before you'll completely get behind them?

He has to do that, just so he has a small chance in hell to even be able to make a argument for David Carr on these boards. If he would actually aknowledge what Schaub has done for this team we wouldn't be able to speak of that other loser.

[edo783]

Ooh, ooh--I know this one. Bring back David Carr.

Sit down Horeshack!

[Sportswriter79]

He has to do that, just so he has a small chance in hell to even be able to make a argument for David Carr on these boards. If he would actually aknowledge what Schaub has done for this team we wouldn't be able to speak of that other loser.

LOL. Not quite.

[SuperstarII]

It's not too hard to amuse yourself, is it? :D:eek:

blah :p

okay hulkmeister

[HydrOshocK]

No, I see his point but it's a very dry perspective. I agree that there is much unproven about this team, and the talent level would create reason to expect more......but isn't that in itself a reason to be more optimistic?

Put David Carr aside for a second. Can we not all admit that our current QB is MUCH better at running this offense? I'm pretty sure that's unanimous. Schaub doesn't have the experience yet and makes some typical mistakes, but look at the potential this guy has....and I'm not talking athletic potential, I'm talking about the potential to take this team to the next level.

I realize that's what you're waiting for Sports, as we all are, but you don't seem very stoked about it. It's almost like you're reluctant to give in to the optimism because you're still a little scorned. I can't pretend to know why but it forces one to think maybe it's because you would rather have seen it happen with Carr. Maybe I'm wrong.....just sayin. :o

[moses77550]

hahahaha

[caddy]

Way to go Moses, that shows what class you don't have. David has a compression fracture in his back. Fox is smart enough to hold him out, and start Vinny who is injury free. I'm glad Fox is the twice the man you are.

[ensign_lee]

That's insane that Testaverde is starting over Carr.

How did we start him for 5 straight years?

[moses77550]

why is that insane? Carr sucks and Vinny might be old but he can throw that ball down the field, Carr can move better but that's it. Carr is not a starting QB and I don't know how he lasted as long as he did. He should be on the Top 10 Worst Draft picks in NFL History on the NFLN.

[Footballz]

That's insane that Testaverde is starting over Carr.

How did we start him for 5 straight years?


Why? His back is fractured and he's not at 100%.

http://www.carolinagrowl.com/Read.aspx?Story=306

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-panthers-testaverde&prov=ap&type=lgns

[Footballz]

hahahaha


You find a fractured back amusing? :eek: Sick.


I'm still worried about Shaub.

[Vinny]

Why? His back is fractured and he's not at 100%.

http://www.carolinagrowl.com/Read.aspx?Story=306

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-panthers-testaverde&prov=ap&type=lgns
Did he really break a bone in his spine?

edit

Ok...looks like he has a "Compression fracture". I found some stuff on what a "compression fracture" is....not really surprised he is out after reading that.

Compression fractures tend to heal completely in about 8 to 12 weeks. http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/brokenbones/a/compression.htm

[Griz]

You guys better spend more time worrying about the Texans and less time trying to find out something about a QB that has not been a Texan for a year or so.

[dattexboy]

Ooh, ooh--I know this one. Bring back David Carr.

hilarious

[Footballz]

Did he really break a bone in his spine?

edit

Ok...looks like he has a "Compression fracture". I found some stuff on what a "compression fracture" is....not really surprised he is out after reading that.

http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/brokenbones/a/compression.htm


Sounds pretty nasty. Ouch.

[Footballz]

You guys better spend more time worrying about the Texans and less time trying to find out something about a QB that has not been a Texan for a year or so.



Dude, you came to a Carr thread.

[HuttoKarl]

I guess the horrid Carolina Offensive Line is to blame for Carr's injury.

[cuppacoffee]

I guess the horrid Carolina Offensive Line is to blame for Carr's injury.

Why is Delhomne out. Is he injured?

cac

[ensign_lee]

Dude, you came to a Carr thread.

and at that, a thread named "all encompassing Carr thread"

[ensign_lee]

Why is Delhomne out. Is he injured?

cac

He's out for the season with a throwing injury.

[Houston_Fanatic]

Who came blame Carr for not wanting to face Indy with a sore back? He didn't like facing them when he was healthy.

[Footballz]

Who came blame Carr for not wanting to face Indy with a sore back? He didn't like facing them when he was healthy.



Don't read well? :p

It's a compression fracture.

David wanted to play. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/10/17/bc.fbn.panthers.carr.ap/

[Footballz]

I guess the horrid Carolina Offensive Line is to blame for Carr's injury.


What about Jake's?


Or Shaub's for that matter. ;)

[schaubisgod]

Ahhh, Dave.

Brad Pitt's looks, Rick Perry's hair, and Heath Shuler's arm. What's not to love?

There were some very simple truths about David Carr that his apologists still deny to this very day. For starters, David Carr has horrendously ugly mechanics. His three step dropped looked very uncomfortable and he threw side arm. It's hard to have a lot of faith in a guy that is lacking in terms of basic passing principles. As far as where he threw the football, he did not throw with any confidence. He developed the mentality early that he should look to his check down reciever first, rather than looking down the field. A lot of Carr apologists mention his 68% completion percentage in 2006. The seem to neglect that fact that he averaged 6.3 yards a pass. That means that he very rarely threw more than 3 yards down the field. Not to say that Carr never through the ball down the field. He could often be seen making stupid passes into double and triple coverage, while simultaneously ignoring wide open recievers (note that Carr only managed 2 seasons in which he threw more TDs than INTs, and has 67 career INTs compared to only 61 career TDs). Surely, Carr's substandard statistics could be chalked up to our ugly offensive line, correct? Well, when you take into account that Carr scrambled like a one legged crow...and that he was entirely unable to throw the ball away...and that he would just collapse under pressure...etc, etc...I would say that the o-line wasn't the bulk of it. Some apologists gravle over Carr because he managed to beat Indy. Though, they tend to ignore the fact that he only had a pedestrian 168 yards on the day...and that Ron Dayne managed to rush for 153 and two TDs. Granted, in a fashion outside of his own, he did throw a TD pass and managed to not do anything stupid. With that said, Schaub or Rosenfels could have managed that game just as easily. Carr did not accomplish anything particularly special last season by beating the Colts. The Texans as a team did, but not Carr as an individual.

So the verdict on Carr? Yet another first overall pick that leaves a horrid pain in one's *** upon reading the list of people drafted in the first round. We could have had Quentin Jammer, Julius Peppers, Dwight Freeney, Jeremy Shockey, etc. However, because of poor vision by the scouts and front office...we got stuck with a pretty poor, who later turned into nothing but a really bad memory. Granted, other teams have had it worse, I mean the Chargers not only passed on Peyton Manning, but gave up several picks and players to invest the hopes and dreams of their franchise into...Ryan Leaf...Ew. Also, to be completely fair to David Carr, he wasn't really even the worst QB of the draft. Let's not forget that this is the same draft that produced Patrick Ramsey and Joey Harrington. However, what made Carr's eventual decent into commonly accepted failure so horrible was the hype. Here we are a new, young franchise...with a new, young, franchise QB who would lead us to the future. Wrong. It turns out that our rookie franchise made a rookie mistake and made a bad draft selection as a result of a failure to look ahead. The truth be told, anyone could have seen that Carr wouldn't hack it in the NFL, I saw it then and I was just a kid.

Carr will forever be our mistake to live with, as well as anyone else's who decides to put him behind center as a starter.

That's all I have left to say on the subject of David Carr. Oh, and...Thank god for Matt Schaub.

[Houston_Fanatic]

David wanted to play.

Sure he did. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a294/sarafina159/Emoticons/thumb.gif

[caddy]

Schaubisgod, your still just a kid, with a Carr Jersey with red duct tape covering his name. How is the added white mailbox letters spelling Schaub working out. Are you getting any of his mail?

[Footballz]

Ahhh, Dave.

We could have had Quentin Jammer, Julius Peppers, Dwight Freeney, Jeremy Shockey, etc. However, because of poor vision by the scouts and front office...we got stuck with a pretty poor, who later turned into nothing but a really bad memory. Granted, other teams have had it worse, I mean the Chargers not only passed on Peyton Manning, but gave up several picks and players to invest the hopes and dreams of their franchise into...Ryan Leaf...Ew. rr. Oh, and...Thank god for Matt Schaub.



The Chargers did not pass on Peyton Manning. Peyton was taken first in the 1998 draft by the Colts.


Well, Shaub didn't look like god last week, and won't look like god this week. I guess opportunities to look like god only come around when he plays, say, Joey Harrington and the Falcons. :eek: Guess that didn't work out either.

[Just Earl]

The Chargers did not pass on Peyton Manning. Peyton was taken first in the 1998 draft by the Colts.


Well, Shaub didn't look like god last week, and won't look like god this week. I guess opportunities to look like god only come around when he plays, say, Joey Harrington and the Falcons. :eek: Guess that didn't work out either.

I bet Schaub could beat out Vinny T .

[schaubisgod]

The Chargers did not pass on Peyton Manning. Peyton was taken first in the 1998 draft by the Colts.

That is true, my bad. None-the-less, it was still a monumental brain fart in terms of draft picks.


Well, Shaub didn't look like god last week, and won't look like god this week. I guess opportunities to look like god only come around when he plays, say, Joey Harrington and the Falcons. :eek: Guess that didn't work out either.

For starters, I'm not sure who this "Shaub" is. There is a lot of talk about him, but I have yet to see him play.

In all seriousness though, this thread is not about anyone's opinion on Matt Schaub (who, in reality has played better than David Carr had (3 of 5 INTs rest at the fault of the WR in Schaub's case). It would seem as though you're a Carr apologist, and if that is the case, would you please try to refute what I have said about Carr? Fine, you think Schaub is a poor QB. I disagree, but that is not a thread subject. With that said, please tell us how David Carr, in light of his vast array of faults, was a superior option.

[Footballz]

That is true, my bad. None-the-less, it was still a monumental brain fart in terms of draft picks.




For starters, I'm not sure who this "Shaub" is. There is a lot of talk about him, but I have yet to see him play.

In all seriousness though, this thread is not about anyone's opinion on Matt Schaub (who, in reality has played better than David Carr had (3 of 5 INTs rest at the fault of the WR in Schaub's case). It would seem as though you're a Carr apologist, and if that is the case, would you please try to refute what I have said about Carr? Fine, you think Schaub is a poor QB. I disagree, but that is not a thread subject. With that said, please tell us how David Carr, in light of his vast array of faults, was a superior option.


Are you watching the game?

[Footballz]

Sure he did. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a294/sarafina159/Emoticons/thumb.gif

Enjoying the SD vs Texans game today? ;)

[Sportswriter79]

Enjoying the SD vs Texans game today? ;)

Thank goodness we got rid of Carr.

[B420tx]

Thank goodness we got rid of Carr.

Seriously! I mean didn't you see his great performance today against the Colts? If he had just panicked a little more I think they have a shot to blow them out.

[Footballz]

Seriously! I mean didn't you see his great performance today against the Colts? If he had just panicked a little more I think they have a shot to blow them out.




Dude, it was the Colts. Last year's Super Bowl winner.

Are watching the Texans now that they don't have Carr?

[Footballz]

Thank goodness we got rid of Carr.


Yes. See how much better we are? ;)

[Sportswriter79]

Yes. See how much better we are? ;)

Yup. He was the problem allright.

:rolleyes:

[Just Earl]

Thank goodness we got rid of Carr.

The problem is that the previous Texans have set the bar so low , the new Texans can't go any lower .

Carr started every game for a 2-14 team . I bet you we won't go 2-14 this year .

[caddy]

Here's hoping that you have low curbs.

[Houston_Fanatic]

Enjoying the SD vs Texans game today? ;)

No. Did you?

[Houston_Fanatic]

Yup. He was the problem allright.

:rolleyes:


I am still waiting for Carr to prove once and for all he is anything more than just an adequate backup.

Seems like his fans aren't too impressed with him either.
http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/carolina-panthers/62926-david-carr.html

Btw, why did the fans start booing when Carr came into the game? Just curious.

[Footballz]

The problem is that the previous Texans have set the bar so low , the new Texans can't go any lower .


Really? Did you watch the game today?

[Footballz]

I bet Schaub could beat out Vinny T .


Shaub couldn't even last the first half today.

[Just Earl]

Really? Did you watch the game today?

Yep and they looked like teams from the past .

This teams history of trying to have fun and just being awful is hard to get rid of .

[Just Earl]

Shaub couldn't even last the first half today.

What does that prove ... Carr was footballs version of Randall Tex Cobb .

[Footballz]

Yep and they looked like teams from the past .

This teams history of trying to have fun and just being awful is hard to get rid of .



Sure is. When do you think that Kubiak can turn that around? This is his second year.

[Texan Rocky]

Shaub couldn't even last the first half today.

Schaub got knocked out on a cheap dirty and ILLEGAL hit that was flagged. He was sent to the hospital after the game. If you took any pleasure in that, then you have bigger problems than your inexplicable love for David Carr.

Did you see Steve Smith punking DC on the sideline?? That man (DC) has no respect in this league, and I even just heard Brian Baldinger on Tony bruno say "you just have to talk to this guy for five minutes to know that he's no leader". Now Im not saying just because a guy on the radio says it, it must be true. But If DC was so awesome, then how come no-one respects him? How come no-one ever comes to his defense except certain nut-huggers on this site???

All you have to do is watch Schaub and Carr play, it as clear as day that schaub is already the better QB in his first season as a starter, whereas DC has been a starter for years, and is actually regressing year by year, a couple more years and he wont be in this league, because the bottom line is, you cant lead a team when no-one respects you.

Just look at this quote from peter kings latest report:

"If a team can have less than no faith in a player, that's what the Panthers have for David Carr. Just look at the play-calling when he came into the game against Indy in the third quarter. They're down 10 and running draws on third-and-10."

Once again not saying the media is all knowing, but how can SO many people, writers, and players all come to the same final opinion on a player?

How can a fan base in carolina that essentially knew nothing of David Carr come to all the same conclusions that Texans fans have come to from watching your boy-toy play. Did we use telekinetics to sent hate vibes to their brains???

You can crow all day about Matt Schaub being bad, but you will find alot of people, players, and writers who would disagree, but at this point DC is exposed as a bad QB, he has no confidence, no-one in turn has any confidence in him, and he is essentially done in this league as a starter.


That's your boy.

[caddy]

Gee, guys it sure is big of you too pay so much attention to a Guy who isn't a Texan. Just who knew that while we are at the bottom of our Div. Ya'll would bring up David who's Panther's are at the top of their's. Now that just shows how big hearted Ya, can get. I also feel that it was something for him to answere the bell, while having a compession fracture to come in and finish the game. He is the Ironman. Not many can finish the game while hurt.

[TEXANottoMAN]

Shaub couldn't even last the first half today.

That's a tough hit to shake off.

[Just Earl]

Sure is. When do you think that Kubiak can turn that around? This is his second year.

When a team shows up like they have for the past two weeks , the players have to take over . They are'nt concerned about the coach or they'd show up .

[SuperstarII]

I am still waiting for Carr to prove once and for all he is anything more than just an adequate backup.

Seems like his fans aren't too impressed with him either.
http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/carolina-panthers/62926-david-carr.html

Btw, why did the fans start booing when Carr came into the game? Just curious.

LOL He got booed there as well! Man now the whole league is showing Carr is Carr-bage!

[caddy]

Thank's for pointing that out... Superstar as you and I know, all the great ones are booed. He's been gone all these months, but not forgoten.

[Footballz]

LOL He got booed there as well! Man now the whole league is showing Carr is Carr-bage!

ROTFL!!!! Did you watch the Texans on Sunday!

[petedy]

LOL He got booed there as well! Man now the whole league is showing Carr is Carr-bage!

Question: If Schaub is such a great leader why did his own teammates walk away after he got clobbered by that linebacker? I would think if he was such a great leader they would have stood up for him and not walk away.

[moses77550]

Question: If Schaub is such a great leader why did his own teammates walk away after he got clobbered by that linebacker? I would think if he was such a great leader they would have stood up for him and not walk away.

If your talking about the SD game, all his guys were hurt on the ground. And alot of the times players don't see that happening to their guy on an Interception return.

[moses77550]

Panthers QB Carr could retire if concussions become a problem
Carolina Panthers quarterback David Carr said if he feels like multiple concussions threaten his quality of life after football, he won't hesitate to give up the game. "Health is first and family is first. Football is fun. But that's not something you mess around with," said Carr, who suffered his second career concussion this past Sunday against Tennessee. "I have three boys at home and a family and after all this is done that is where I'm going to be spending my time. I don't want to have to have the same intellectual level as my 7-year-old son right now." -- Gaston Gazette

I understand some what but this shows that he doesn't have the heart for the game of football. Just my opinion.

Lions RB Bell to Texans?
Former Denver running back Tatum Bell has been buried in Detroit. He likely will not return as a free agent in the offseason. A potential landing spot for Bell is Houston -- Denver Post

I don't know, I think I might like this move. What do ya'll think?

[Frills]

Bell in Houston only if we refuse to pay him much at all. This draft is deep at RB

[caddy]

Moses, don't even try to understand... you'll just be wasting brain cells. But the point is, football is a game and he loved playing it. But, he knows that his family and himself is what life is about. I hope he does retire, rather than risking brain damage. I enjoyed your years here.

[Clamp]

Just a note. I heard Sean Salisburry on NFL Live comment on Carr being sacked so many times in Carolina, especially last week. He said "it isnt the line's fault, this is on Carr. You have to get the ball outta there."

He didnt actually mention the Texans but i think that is as close as we will ever get to an ESPN commentator eating crow. FWIW.

Well, i'll take it where you can get it.

[Towlie]

ON foxsports it also says if that concussion is a naging injury, he will retire. It was on rumor mill.

[grandslam]

how do y'all think Carr will be labeled if indeed he retired after this season? A bust?

[SuperstarII]

how do y'all think Carr will be labeled if indeed he retired after this season? A bust?

the sack king....

[Wolverine]

To me he's a bust now unless he turns his career around next year and plays like a Pro Bowler consistently for the next 4-5 years.

[TEXANRED]

ON foxsports it also says if that concussion is a naging injury, he will retire. It was on rumor mill.

No heart. Trent Green has had five or six concussions and he still wants to play.

[schaubisgod]

how do y'all think Carr will be labeled if indeed he retired after this season? A bust?

A typical first round draft bust who didn't live up to the hype. The really sad thing is that it isn't as though Carr's failure couldn't be forseen. Even coming out of college he had horrible mechanics. Poor mechanics at that level is usually a good indicator that someone is a slower learner. Carr never seemed ready for the NFL to me and never got ready. Call me crazy, but we should have played Mike Quinn.

[HydrOshocK]

A typical first round draft bust who didn't live up to the hype. The really sad thing is that it isn't as though Carr's failure couldn't be forseen. Even coming out of college he had horrible mechanics. Poor mechanics at that level is usually a good indicator that someone is a slower learner. Carr never seemed ready for the NFL to me and never got ready. Call me crazy, but we should have played Mike Quinn.

lol....well call me crazy too because I thought we should've played Dave Ragone.

I mean, if you're going to make a project out of a young QB with bad mechanics, at least pick one that's coachable. Carr may have had the athleticism to play QB in high school and college, but it requires an ability to learn and comprehend at a faster pace and higher level to play QB in the pros.

To Carr's credit though, he didn't exactly start out with the best coaching staff. Capers was hardly someone who related well with QBs. But when Kubiak got here there were no more excuses. As a QB himself, and having played with one of the very best, he knew exactly what he had. That's why DC is gone and Schaub is here. Schaub may be raw in a lot of ways but he definitely possesses the brains and mechanics. If Kubs sees a winner in him then he's got my full support until he proves otherwise......same as "HWWNBN" had.

.02

[JustBonee]

Call me crazy, but we should have played Mike Quinn.

Forgot all about that guy! Number three doesn't usually hang around long, and guess he didn't make it in Canada either.

[Just Earl]

http://www.serioussportsnewsnetwork.com/2007/11/panthers-hope-carr-plays-better-with-concussion.html

[HydrOshocK]

http://www.serioussportsnewsnetwork.com/2007/11/panthers-hope-carr-plays-better-with-concussion.html


“David’s problem is that he thinks too much,” Panthers Quarterbacks Coach Mike McCoy told SSNN. “With the concussion, obviously, the thinking ability of a player is likely to be severely hampered. It’s all instinct and reaction. We’re hoping that a spaced out David will lead to fewer questionable decisions.”
When starting QB Jake Delhomme was lost for the season, Panther fans hoped Carr would be able to step in and lead the team. However, Carr quickly reverted to his old form – panicking in the pocket and locking in on receivers.

Panthers Head Coach John Fox told reporters that Carr’s concussion could save his career. “He got the crap kicked out of him in Houston and it really messed him up. But who knows, with the concussion, he could become a totally different quarterback – one who’s not afraid to stand in the pocket and take a hit. Or at least one who has no idea that hit is coming and therefore no fear.”

“As long as Andre Johnson is out there, I think we have a real chance,” said a visibly dazed Carr. “Whether it’s me or Sage Rosenfels out there, with the defense this Texans team has, we can really stay in this thing.”

wow.....that's hard to swallow. :eek:

[caddy]

Whew, it doesn't take much to feel vindicated for you if S.S. turns you on. Now you can feel proud, that Carr is gone. After the minds just knew that David was the cause this play-off team couldn't make it to the post season. Why we haven't Killed Schaub yet. We even have a all- most winning season this year. Heck we beat Miami and Oakland, just like last year. Shucks, forget about strenght of schedule this year... we are almost as good as years passed. But you might see the Iron Man play tomarrow against Falcons. Then you can " Boo " him somemore.

[steelbtexan]

Carr sucks so I don't imagine it's hard for him to swallow.

[WesmanTexanfan]

has he not seen himself with those gloves on. i meaN c'mon

[Houston_Fanatic]

how do y'all think Carr will be labeled if indeed he retired after this season? A bust?

Absolutely.

We fans should be very grateful he got a chance to start for Carolina and proved once and for all it was HIM and not just our OLine's fault. If he had retired from the Texans with a concussion, we would forever be known and remembered as the team that ruined Carr's career and Carr would shoulder no blame at all. At least this way he will have to be partially responsible for his terrible playing.

[Footballz]

No heart. Trent Green has had five or six concussions and he still wants to play.


He has had two concussions inthe last few weeks.

Perhaps he doesn't want to have a brain that turned to mush....

[Footballz]

In case you and footballz forgot ... the Texans kicked the crap out of Carolina . A team your boy could'nt start for .



Yes, let's not forget how well the Texans did against Joey Harrington. :eek:

[Footballz]

hmmmm dejavu


Johnson dropped two balls that were right to him.........



Are you sure you ain't hulk75?

He can spell. Can you?

[Footballz]

Question: If Schaub is such a great leader why did his own teammates walk away after he got clobbered by that linebacker? I would think if he was such a great leader they would have stood up for him and not walk away.


Strange, huh? After all, he made a lot of calls after he was traded. :confused:

[SuperstarII]

lol....well call me crazy too because I thought we should've played Dave Ragone.

I mean, if you're going to make a project out of a young QB with bad mechanics, at least pick one that's coachable. Carr may have had the athleticism to play QB in high school and college, but it requires an ability to learn and comprehend at a faster pace and higher level to play QB in the pros.

To Carr's credit though, he didn't exactly start out with the best coaching staff. Capers was hardly someone who related well with QBs. But when Kubiak got here there were no more excuses. As a QB himself, and having played with one of the very best, he knew exactly what he had. That's why DC is gone and Schaub is here. Schaub may be raw in a lot of ways but he definitely possesses the brains and mechanics. If Kubs sees a winner in him then he's got my full support until he proves otherwise......same as "HWWNBN" had.

.02

Carr ruined two careers that is Dave Ragone and Tony Banks. If the FO didn't have such a man crush on Carr those guys would have done wonders for this team.

[Just Earl]

Yes, let's not forget how well the Texans did against Joey Harrington. :eek:

I guess the Falcons are better than both the Panthers and the Texans .

The Texans kicked the crap out of the Panthers which means they're better than the Panthers .

Schaub and Harrington started in both games which means they're better than Carr .

Oh to be at Fresno State playing Rice , SMU , and UH . At least for 2001 ... that's about it right .

[HydrOshocK]

He has had two concussions inthe last few weeks.

Perhaps he doesn't want to have a brain that turned to mush....

Well according to the Panthers coaching staff a concussion can actually improve a QBs performance......:confused:

[GT]

Well according to the Panthers coaching staff a concussion can actually improve a QBs performance......:confused:
LMAO Great reply:D

[Vinny]

Well according to the Panthers coaching staff a concussion can actually improve a QBs performance......:confused:

That article used an apparently little known journalistic technique called satire.

[HydrOshocK]

That article used an apparently little known journalistic technique called satire.

Yeah I figured that considering the source is "Serious Sports News Network"....but it was still worth taking a shot at Carr and the Panthers ;)

[TexansFanatic]

I can't believe I've lost so much interest in David Carr as a player, I just realized he was fully healthy and John Fox STILL chose to start Vinny Testaverde at quarterback for the Panthers. Hilarious. Carr is now a third option at QB....

[BIG ERN]

WOW!I do not know how else to respond.He is not fit to lead.I can not believe David is a bust.Wow!

[misterpc]

David Carr is the biggest NFL bust of the 21st century

[TexansFanatic]

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — Quarterback Vinny Testaverde will start Sunday for the Carolina Panthers against the Green Bay Packers.

Coach John Fox chose the 44-year-old Testaverde over a healthy David Carr, but declined to name him the permanent starter for the Panthers (4-5). Both Carr and Testaverde are 1-2 this season as the starter.

"He had a good week of practice and was able to get through the week, and I think that's good for him and good for us," Fox said Friday.

It's unclear if Testaverde will have his top offensive option, wide receiver Steve Smith, who is listed as questionable after missing his third straight practice Friday with a shin contusion. Fox said Smith will be a game-time decision.

Also on the injury report: defensive tackle Damione Lewis (shoulder) was questionable; cornerback Ken Lucas (hip), running back DeShaun Foster (toe) and safety Deke Cooper (shoulder) were probable.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2007-11-16-4107522457_x.htm

[SuperstarII]

WOW!I do not know how else to respond.He is not fit to lead.I can not believe David is a bust.Wow!

LOL I don't understand what Casserly saw in this man to make him think he is the man to lead the Texans. He had one good season in college and that was it. He got his wish to be a rich man in the NFL that is for sure.....

[TexansFanatic]

LOL I don't understand what Casserly saw in this man to make him think he is the man to lead the Texans. He had one good season in college and that was it. He got his wish to be a rich man in the NFL that is for sure.....

I'm not a Casserly fan by any stretch. But in his defense, few really foresaw Carr being the bust he is. He had almost all the tangibles you would look for in a starting QB. Unfortunately, ZERO of the intangibles.....

[outofhnd]

Maybe Casserly swooned everytime he looked into Carr's eyes and was lost in the moment and signed him to a big contract.

[JustBonee]

Maybe Casserly swooned everytime he looked into Carr's eyes and was lost in the moment and signed him to a big contract.
That was Bob McNair. .:p.. .. Mr. Mittens had so much going against him.
Failure started right in the beginning, by having to be driven to practice and the games by daddy. Isn't that a 7th grade thing?

[Just Earl]

That was Bob McNair. .:p.. .. Mr. Mittens had so much going against him.
Failure started right in the beginning, by having to be driven to practice and the games by daddy. Isn't that a 7th grade thing?

More like one those guys who's daughters play tennis .

They always want to be in the scene and get their 15 minutes .

[SuperstarII]

That was Bob McNair. .:p.. .. Mr. Mittens had so much going against him.
Failure started right in the beginning, by having to be driven to practice and the games by daddy. Isn't that a 7th grade thing?


god I thought that was only in high school? OMG I knew something was wrong with that player....

He was probably raised like "everyone is a winner and there is no loser" type families....If I ever have a kid, I ain't raising him like that.

[TexansFanatic]

McNair wasn't the only guy, guess who said this without using google.....

Yep, Mel Kiper. Like I said, Casserly was to blame for a lot, but nobody thought Carr would be the utter disappointment he's become....

[Houston_Fanatic]

Yep, Mel Kiper. Like I said, Casserly was to blame for a lot, but nobody thought Carr would be the utter disappointment he's become....

It happens every year. Look how wrong they were about Reggie Bush.

[GT]

You have got to admit this is funny, Carr has left Houston & still has one of the longest running threads this year. Now that is funny.:eek:

[SuperstarII]

even more funny

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3122326

[HydrOshocK]

You have got to admit this is funny, Carr has left Houston & still has one of the longest running threads this year. Now that is funny.:eek:

LOL.....I was thinking the same thing. I predict this thread will get bumped all season long, and the ghost of David Carr will be exercised in the offseason.

p.s. I listen to the ESPN: Football Today podcast every day. Jeremy Green's nickname for David Carr is "the Hamburgler" :D

[A New Era]

even more funny

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3122326

I love this quote from Fox. I wish our staff could have seen this sooner.
40 yr. old Testaverde >>> David Carr

"We make decisions based on who gives us the best chance," Fox said. "It's not always money. It's not always what round [he's drafted]. We make those decisions not based on any polls from the outside. It's just based on who we think gives us the best chance. Right now we think that's Vinny."

GOOD Riddance!!!

GO TEXANS!!!

[GT]

LOL.....I was thinking the same thing. I predict this thread will get bumped all season long, and the ghost of David Carr will be exercised in the offseason.

p.s. I listen to the ESPN: Football Today podcast every day. Jeremy Green's nickname for David Carr is "the Hamburgler" :DLMAO:D

[GT]

even more funny

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3122326

Only to have our game with Carolina al little later in the season, with the hamburglar starting. Then Mario may have hit his 20 sacks for the year.:rolleyes:

[Footballz]

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/Audibles/2007/audibles2220.htm


Profootball weekly says Carr is done. If Carolina releases him, I think he retires. He's a family guy and I wouldn't suppose that he wants to drag his kids all over.

IMO, the Texans drafted a good QB, provided him with no help, no protection, and no coaching. He was beat into the ground for years. Sad.

[TexansFanatic]

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/Audibles/2007/audibles2220.htm


Profootball weekly says Carr is done. If Carolina releases him, I think he retires. He's a family guy and I wouldn't suppose that he wants to drag his kids all over.

IMO, the Texans drafted a good QB, provided him with no help, no protection, and no coaching. He was beat into the ground for years. Sad.

That may be true. It's possible his potential was beaten out of him.

But I also think he never had the passion for the game or the leadership skills you look for in a franchise quarterback. Lots of quarterbacks have taken beatings and still managed to have outstanding careers. Troy Aikman comes to mind. The difference between Carr and Aikman? The passion for the game and leadership skills....

[ReliantTexan]

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/Audibles/2007/audibles2220.htm


Profootball weekly says Carr is done. If Carolina releases him, I think he retires. He's a family guy and I wouldn't suppose that he wants to drag his kids all over.

IMO, the Texans drafted a good QB, provided him with no help, no protection, and no coaching. He was beat into the ground for years. Sad.Excuses,excuses. First it's a bad supporting cast. Then it's bad coaching, and now even though he's with a new and supposedly "more talented" team, you're saying the reason he can't beat out 43 yr. old Testaverde is because his phsyche was screwed up from all those yrs in Houston. I figured that would be the next lame excuse from Carr apologists.

[ReliantTexan]

That may be true. It's possible his potential was beaten out of him.

But I also think he never had the passion for the game or the leadership skills you look for in a franchise quarterback. Lots of quarterbacks have taken beatings and still managed to have outstanding careers. Troy Aikman comes to mind. The difference between Carr and Aikman? The passion for the game and leadership skills....And if what footballz says is true,I would definately put mental tougness in there as well.

[Footballz]

Excuses,excuses. First it's a bad supporting cast. Then it's bad coaching, and now even though he's with a new and supposedly "more talented" team, you're saying the reason he can't beat out 43 yr. old Testaverde is because his phsyche was screwed up from all those yrs in Houston. I figured that would be the next lame excuse from Carr apologists.


No, it's for people who can see farther than the tip of their nose.

[Footballz]

That may be true. It's possible his potential was beaten out of him.

But I also think he never had the passion for the game or the leadership skills you look for in a franchise quarterback. Lots of quarterbacks have taken beatings and still managed to have outstanding careers. Troy Aikman comes to mind. The difference between Carr and Aikman? The passion for the game and leadership skills....


I can see your point.

It would take an exceptional amount of passion to maintain a career as a QB after starting with an expansion team and getting beat down for 5 years.

At least Troy had Jimmy Johnson.... and later Irvin and Smith.

David had Capers. Ugh.

[Footballz]

And if what footballz says is true,I would definately put mental tougness in there as well.


It takes mental toughness to go to work every day for 5 years and get beaten up.

[leaguecitytexan]

I would go to work five days a week and get bet up for millions and millions of dollars so myselft and my family would never have to work again if I or they didn't want too. Your welcome David Carr from McNair and every Texan Season Ticket holder. Go ahead and just take your money and retire save yourself and us the embarresment.

[Just Earl]

I can see your point.

It would take an exceptional amount of passion to maintain a career as a QB after starting with an expansion team and getting beat down for 5 years.

At least Troy had Jimmy Johnson.... and later Irvin and Smith.

David had Capers. Ugh.

Hmmm ... the Texans are on pace to give up 24 sacks with the same line as last year .

They 're also on pace for 16 plays over 40 yards with AJ sidelined for 7 games .

[ReliantTexan]

It takes mental toughness to go to work every day for 5 years and get beaten up.Especially when it's not fun anymore, right?:rolleyes: And when you're only getting a multi-million dollar check for sorry QB play. I feel for David.

Every QB gets beat up,which brings back what I was saying about mental toughness. After five years David is already done in this league,even after getting a fresh start in Carolina as a back-up.

[Houston_Fanatic]

It takes mental toughness to go to work every day for 5 years and get beaten up.

If Carr had the dedication to the game that you have in defending him then he would have succeeded in the NFL. What happened to "all that talent" in Carolina? What happened to their OLine? Why can't David still not read a defense?

In all of his "beating up" here I don't remember him ever getting a concussion like he did in Carolina - why is that?

[Houston_Fanatic]

This quote from Carr sums him up:

"You want to be out there," Carr said. "You want to play. It's his decision. I can't do anything about it. This whole year's been a little crazy, to tell you the truth. It's a little different than what I had expected. But, at the same time, if my number is called, I'll go out there and have fun and try to do what I can to give the team a spark and try to win a football game."

Do you know what Schaub said recently? "Whatever it takes to win". That is a winning attitude and all the successful NFL QB's have it. Car never will so he may as well retire now and save himself another hit on the head.

[SuperstarII]

This quote from Carr sums him up:

"You want to be out there," Carr said. "You want to play. It's his decision. I can't do anything about it. This whole year's been a little crazy, to tell you the truth. It's a little different than what I had expected. But, at the same time, if my number is called, I'll go out there and have fun and try to do what I can to give the team a spark and try to win a football game."

Do you know what Schaub said recently? "Whatever it takes to win". That is a winning attitude and all the successful NFL QB's have it. Car never will so he may as well retire now and save himself another hit on the head.

Like i said he was probably raised where there are no losers and we are all winners. Man I wish they would never invented the "No child left behind" act. It takes out competition in public high schools.

[Just Earl]

This quote from Carr sums him up:

"You want to be out there," Carr said. "You want to play. It's his decision. I can't do anything about it. This whole year's been a little crazy, to tell you the truth. It's a little different than what I had expected. But, at the same time, if my number is called, I'll go out there and have fun and try to do what I can to give the team a spark and try to win a football game."

Do you know what Schaub said recently? "Whatever it takes to win". That is a winning attitude and all the successful NFL QB's have it. Car never will so he may as well retire now and save himself another hit on the head.

Sounds like Carr's had the Little League speech once to many times ... probably last week .

It's ok Davey , you make sure you have fun . It's not your fault ... just have fun . The league probably gives everyone a super bowl trophy .

I think with most players and coaches who are winners anyway , losing just kills them while winning gets them excited for a day or two then it's back to work because anything less than winning is a week of being cranky until the next game .

[TexansFanatic]

Did anyone see Brett Favre throw 20 completions in a row yesterday? This was just two completions shy of Carr's ridiculous record of 22 two-yard-toss completions. The difference was that Favre was throwing wicked bolts of lightning including several long balls. Amazing.

[El Tejano]

I think that it is crazy that we are in week 11 of our season and we still think about Carr.

[TexansFanatic]

I think that it is crazy that we are in week 11 of our season and we still think about Carr.

The guy was the face of the franchise for 5 long, dismal years. It will, at the very least, take a playoff run for a lot of us to forget about him....

[El Tejano]

I guess. I think the new faces have done a great job of helping us forget though. I like being able to throw 77 and 73 yard bombs for TDs so I guess that is just me.

[HydrOshocK]

I think that it is crazy that we are in week 11 of our season and we still think about Carr.

Like I said, the ghost of Carr won't be exercised for good until the offseason. Some people have too much animosity built up from the last 5 years and they're finally being proven right so they're going to take their shots at him for the rest of the season.

As for the argument that Carr took so much abuse that his psyche is damaged...I have to disagree. Most of the sacks I saw Carr take over the years weren't vicious brutal hits. Most of the time Carr was going down to the ground on his own. He was not known for standing in the pocket and taking the big hit while throwing the ball, unlike Aikman. Instead, he was usually cradling the ball and falling to the ground. He took a few big shots but for the most part he wasn't being beaten down. As for his psyche.....well at least Joey Harrington is still fighting for a starting job. :rolleyes:

[Just Earl]

Most folks , me included think the Carr show lasted 2-3 years to long . I think he was a one year wonder in college ... that's it .

Why the owner , coaches , and GM kept trying to shove this guy down our throat . It seems the owner wanted him to be the face of the franchise and the GM was trying to save face .

I think the coaches knew , that's why the playbook always looked different when Carr was QB .

[Carlos]

This quote in the current edition of Pro Football Weekly confirms what many of us have known for some time. David is a fine person and I wish things would've worked out better for him, but mentally he does not have what it takes to be an NFL QB.


http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/Audibles/2007/audibles2220.htm




The following quotes are from NFL scouts, coaches and front-office personnel, speaking on condition of anonymity.

“David Carr is done. He has proven he cannot play quarterback in the NFL.”

[WWJD2]

He's also a very wealthy young man and can retire if he wants and just hang with the wife and kids.

[BIG ERN]

I just wish he had wanted to hang out with his teammates more.I guess it does not matter anymore.

[IMA TEXAN]

Like I said, the ghost of Carr won't be exercised for good until the offseason. Some people have too much animosity built up from the last 5 years and they're finally being proven right so they're going to take their shots at him for the rest of the season.

As for the argument that Carr took so much abuse that his psyche is damaged...I have to disagree. Most of the sacks I saw Carr take over the years weren't vicious brutal hits. Most of the time Carr was going down to the ground on his own. He was not known for standing in the pocket and taking the big hit while throwing the ball, unlike Aikman. Instead, he was usually cradling the ball and falling to the ground. He took a few big shots but for the most part he wasn't being beaten down. As for his psyche.....well at least Joey Harrington is still fighting for a starting job. :rolleyes:

Amen. Too many people just count 249 sacks, oh wow exactly 249 hard hits. Carr had a lot of running out of bounds for a 1 yard loss untouched and a ton of curling up into the fetal position before the initial hit so the hit was not a hard hit.

When a blitzer is coming at NFL quality QBs (Schaub, Aikman) they stand in and usually get the throw off and then get drilled. They take a vicious hit - but no sack - thus they are viewed as untouched by the Carr-O-Meter. Carr rolls down into a ball, gets lightly tapped by the blitzer - oh my! - a sack! the pain! the agony!!

Now people are starting to talk about Carr retiring. If he dones, at least his theme song has already been written by the Steve Miller Band, "Go on, take the money and run". About someone who steals money in Texas, and runs away.

[Yosarian]

Nice blurb about antwan peek too. One of my favorite Texans. I wish we had held onto him!

[Welsh Texan]

DC has done very nicely out of his career in the NFL, he may not have made it but he has all the money he needs and probably a nice career as an after dinner speaker when he is finally cut, shame it didn't work out and i'm sure it isn't all his own fault, but these things happen.