Jerome Mathis mentioned on Extra Points

[Marcus]

On Ch. 13's Extra Points last night, both Bob Allen and Spencer Tillman went out of their way to voice their displeasure that Jerome Mathis did not play this week.

Spencer Tillman: "I don't know what to say, but Jerome Mathis could take a lesson from Andre Davis' play on Sunday. Physical play is part of the National Football League. You can help this ballclub if you're on the field. You can't help anybody if you're not. D'Angelo Hall was not the only player that by his absence, hurt his ballclub today."

Bob Allen: "I don't think the Texans were real real happy with Jerome Mathis not playing today. I mean, his MRI came back clean." and then threw his hands up in the air in disgust.

Spencer Tillman: "That's what I'm saying. D'Angelo Hall missed a quarter but got back out there, but Jerome Mathis could have really helped this club out there today."

Bob Allen: "He could have!" while knocking on the table.

What I find significant and downright eye-opening, was they never mentioned the other injured players, at all. No one else!

And then later in the program, when discussing this week's injury report, when Bob Allen got to Mathis' name on the list, he remarked, "he has a bad shin" in an obvious sarcastic tone.

I dunno, guys. That show is only 30 minutes long, but it was clear that the station wanted the public to know that they are suspicious, to say the least, about Mathis' injury.

Now, I've had my suspicions when I first heard about this 'leg injury', but I have kept them to myself. I think I still will . . for the time being.

[Grid]

Well.. he is in his third year and he has only played 16 games. that is 16 games out of a possible 36. so, fewer than half of the games since he was drafted.

His injury problems have been...odd. He seems to have chronic leg issues and it has never really been fully explained.. at least not to me.

I think the problem is that people are just getting tired of taking up a roster spot on a player that is rarely able to play. Personally I agree.

I think we need to look at drafting a WR on the first day next offseason..preferably a large one with good hands and "good enough" speed. Someone who is very durable :D.

Mathis is a great return man..but I could see Jacoby taking over that spot and being a VERY GOOD 3rd string WR for us.

[Keldar]

That show is only 30 minutes long, but it was clear that the station wanted the public to know that they are suspicious, to say the least, about Mathis' injury.

Now, I've had my suspicions when I first heard about this 'leg injury', but I have kept them to myself. I think I still will . . for the time being.

This has been Mathis' black-eye for the last two years. All the tools of touchdown runnin' speed freak, but the heart/desire of a ............?

[caddy]

Ah, come on now... Just think of the whole 30 mins of the show. Was there anything they said worth listening to? If it wasn't for the NFL tapes they were showing they had nothing worth listining to.

[Marcus]

Ah, come on now... Just think of the whole 30 mins of the show. Was there anything they said worth listening to? If it wasn't for the NFL tapes they were showing they had nothing worth listining to.

Well, it sure seemed to me like the station itself found out about something, or heard about something, and deemed it important enough to let the public know about it, or they wouldn't have allowed them to say anything. It was an practically an editorial.

[Schaub2Andre4TD]

I call BS.

I don't think anyone wants to see the field more than the guys who have been injury prone. Those are the guys that are dying to prove to the fans and to themselves that they can play and aren't as fragile as glass.

If Mathis is hurt. It's probably legit. I feel bad for him. His specialty is his blazing speed. The only way he gets his speed back is if he's 100% healthy.

[caddy]

Thank you, All day 28... as I've wonder what made you tick. If you watch and trust Spencer as much as you say that would explain why I couldn't put you together.

[Pantherstang84]

I've said the same thing in another thread. He is the weakest link. Good bye. Place him on the IR for the rest of the year and then give him his outright release at the end of it.

[DeclanJr]

Well.. he is in his third year and he has only played 16 games. that is 16 games out of a possible 36. so, fewer than half of the games since he was drafted.

His injury problems have been...odd. He seems to have chronic leg issues and it has never really been fully explained.. at least not to me.

I think the problem is that people are just getting tired of taking up a roster spot on a player that is rarely able to play. Personally I agree.

I think we need to look at drafting a WR on the first day next offseason..preferably a large one with good hands and "good enough" speed. Someone who is very durable :D.

Mathis is a great return man..but I could see Jacoby taking over that spot and being a VERY GOOD 3rd string WR for us.

I could see him taking over and being good, but I'd rather see Dexter Wynn or someone else handle the kickoff return duties. JJ already got hurt on a punt return and I would hate to up the odds that he gets hurt again on special teams. He is too valuable as a receiver and PR guy.

Mathis needs to suck it up. If he wasn't good for a TD return once every few games, it would be easier to say that we need to get rid of him, but the guy has a talent.

[IMA TEXAN]

I watch 'Inside the Game' every single Sunday night (Extra Points is on Saturday evenings) and I respect Spencer's opinions. He knows what he's talking about. And I personally also believe that Mathis is a very talented, yet very 'lady-like' football player. He has no killer instinct, nor does he seem to want to help his teammates when they need him...
At least this explains why caddy is standing up for him...

[BornOrange]

Mathis is very much like Domanick Davis in that neither one of them want to play unless they are 100%. Unfortunately, in the NFL the only day you are 100% is the day you report to training camp. Players have to live with minor injuries and being in pain every single day and those who can't get used to that have very short careers. Like Domanick Davis, those careers seldom last very long past their first big pay day.

If the Texans ever sign Mathis to an extension, make sure you tape his first game after that. It will likely be his last.

[Pantherstang84]

I've said the same thing in another thread. He is the weakest link. Good bye. Place him on the IR for the rest of the year and then give him his outright release at the end of it.

You know what? Maybe I'm wrong about Jerome. Maybe we ought to do this instead....


They should let him come back when he is ready. Get clearance from his doctors, and agent that he is ready to play...


Then cut his soft #$$!

[CypressTexan]

There must be an issue. They brought him up on 610 am and Andre said Mathis has no real value as a receiver. They said he has no real field vision and that his only real skill is his ability to run away from people in space. They followed it up saying if yuo can get a Cbetc trade him ASAP. This is not what I would expect to be said about a guy who shows so many flashes of excitement.. He must really be an issue behind the scenes!

[HomeGrownTexan]

Mathis is very much like Domanick Davis in that neither one of them want to play unless they are 100%. Unfortunately, in the NFL the only day you are 100% is the day you report to training camp. Players have to live with minor injuries and being in pain every single day and those who can't get used to that have very short careers. Like Domanick Davis, those careers seldom last very long past their first big pay day.

If the Texans ever sign Mathis to an extension, make sure you tape his first game after that. It will likely be his last.

D. Davis was bone on bone, if I was him I wouldn't play either. There's a difference in having a sore leg and being bone on bone. One is painful, the other is disabling. When your a runningback you can't run on a bum knee, because if that's the case and your going to bash DD/DW, you might as well start trashing A. Green.........his knee injury isn't even remotely as serious as Davis' was.

[DeclanJr]

There must be an issue. They brought him up on 610 am and Andre said Mathis has no real value as a receiver. They said he has no real field vision and that his only real skill is his ability to run away from people in space. They followed it up saying if yuo can get a Cbetc trade him ASAP. This is not what I would expect to be said about a guy who shows so many flashes of excitement.. He must really be an issue behind the scenes!

After they wrote in the Chronicle about how Coach K had a heart to heart with Jerome Mathis and Travis Johnson, you knew they were on a short leash. This could definately be it for Mathis if he doesn't somehow miraculously recover. It's sad because the guy can take it to the house any time he returns the ball.

[CypressTexan]

man no one knows what is wrong with his leg...so why dont you guys stop saying he is gone lol and wait for an actual update

I did not say he was gone, but where there is smoke there is usually fire. Why suddenly would several different media outlets who spend time around the team talk about a guy who had a great return against the Colts like he is dogging it? I love having Mathis in the return game, lets face it every time we receive a kickoff you have something to be excited about, oh except that he cant keep himself on the field! I find it very odd that the ABC crew made a point of singleing out Mathis and they did the same thing this morning on 610. It could be nothing but I get the feeling people doubt his injury being bad enough to keep him out, no whether they should or not is a different story.

[done88]

Sounds to me like Smith has a trade in the works for Mathis. He wants to sway public opiinion in his favor by having the airwaves take a few shots at him. Therefore when the trade happens he can avoid pubic scrunity. Just my opinion. In my business it all about manageing customer expectations and it looks to me like that is what they are doing. I think Smith has spoken with the announcers and put a bug in their ear.

[TexansFanatic]

Sounds to me like Smith has a trade in the works for Mathis. He wants to sway public opiinion in his favor by having the airwaves take a few shots at him. Therefore when the trade happens he can avoid pubic scrunity. Just my opinion. In my business it all about manageing customer expectations and it looks to me like that is what they are doing. I think Smith has spoken with the announcers and put a bug in their ear.

It wouldn't be terribly smart to initiate a public bashing of a player you're trying to get value for....

[sleepwalker]

It's just my opinion, but I think Mathis is the least of our worries right now. He's not even expensive and he's not worth much to get a good trade.

However playing in 16 games of 30something makes me pretty mad. If your MRI says negative, then you should rise up and play even if you're sore.

[HydrOshocK]

When I heard he was injured again I couldn't help but think "here we go again." This is becoming a habit with Mathis. Maybe he's soft, maybe he's not....but we don't know because he's hardly ever on the field on Sundays. There's not much value in a player that's only shows up 30-40% of the time.

[outofhnd]

For his cheap price and the Special teams points every time he touches the ball hard to cut someone like that his 30% playing time has yielded more points than J.J MOses 3 years full time. Quit griping over it hes a terrible WR just a track star with pads. Track Stars always get injured. Thats why there is only like 1 real track meet every year. You want to cut his ***, fine but dont stick JJ back there, Id rather have someone who isnt a valuable contributor on offense running back my kickoffs. :o

[Pantherstang84]

For his cheap price and the Special teams points every time he touches the ball hard to cut someone like that his 30% playing time has yielded more points than J.J MOses 3 years full time. Quit griping over it hes a terrible WR just a track star with pads. Track Stars always get injured. Thats why there is only like 1 real track meet every year. You want to cut his ***, fine but dont stick JJ back there, Id rather have someone who isnt a valuable contributor on offense running back my kickoffs. :o

OK. How about Wynn returning kicks?

[outofhnd]

Like I say keep him and then make a decision after the season. what has he got 4 tds in 16 games he has played? Thats 25% TD to game ratio. The only other player I know of with that kind of ability the only people I know could do that are PR steve Smith, and Devin Hester, and they handled all the returns not just kickoffs. :p

[Battle-Red]

First of all Kubiak said Thursday or Friday that Ahman Green had a better chance of playing Sunday than Jerome Mathis, due to an unspecified lower leg injury that happened during practice earlier in the week. So me personally I'm gonna go with what comes from the horses mouth straight from the barn. Rather than either of the 2 sets of jackasses outside of the barn. Secondly Mathis is low pay high reward. Every body remember being 2-14? Mathis was the single biggest factor for winning those 2 games despite missing most of the season. And as far as he being worthless as a wideout, he not only made the team but, was the #4WR ahead of the #5WR Andre Davis and has made clucth 3rd down plays already this year. Every body is intitled to their opinions and I for one think that you should be accountable for your actions(players, coaches, and etc.) but, the CYNICISM of the TEXANS so called fans is unbelievable.

[outofhnd]

Unspecified Leg Injury... He walked on it. :D

Just kidding Jerome

[done88]

It wouldn't be terribly smart to initiate a public bashing of a player you're trying to get value for....

Unless you already have a trade in place and are only bashing him locally. Look at Carr in Houston it was great he is finally gone. In NC it was a former first round pick for nothing.

He is spinning locally. While the acquiring GM would be sending videos of the returns to local stations.

[TexansFanatic]

Unless you already have a trade in place and are only bashing him locally. Look at Carr in Houston it was great he is finally gone. In NC it was a former first round pick for nothing.

He is spinning locally. While the acquiring GM would be sending videos of the returns to local stations.

Not sure why you're bringing up the Carr situation to support an argument regarding a possible trade. The Texans got nothing for Carr. If anything the fact that the Texans received zero compensation for Carr supports the point that a GM would be stupid to publicly bash his own trade bait....

[caddy]

Look, Texans Fanatic where does it say " Making sence is a must here." as you can see a slam against Carr is welcomed here at anytime. Doesn't mean it has to do with the subject at hand. Addition by subtraction is the way this message board handles the Texan team players here. Now listen to why we should get rid of our best return guy. My only question is who next? NO no not the Beer Man.

[HydrOshocK]

Look, Texans Fanatic where does it say " Making sence is a must here." as you can see a slam against Carr is welcomed here at anytime. Doesn't mean it has to do with the subject at hand. Addition by subtraction is the way this message board handles the Texan team players here. Now listen to why we should get rid of our best return guy. My only question is who next? NO no not the Beer Man.

easy caddy. don't get your panties in a wad just because someone threw Carr's name into a post again. You're the only one on this message board that's NOT in favor of getting rid of excess baggage. And if you don't like it here you know where the door is.....you've been shown it once already ;)

As for Mathis, I'm not saying he's a bad player. What I'm saying is that his contribution has been electrifying, but extremely rare. He does not play very often because of these mysterious leg injuries. If he's not sand bagging then he's just plain soft. What other way is there to explain it? Either way, he's taking up a spot that someone else can fill full time. I love the guy when he's on the field but If he can't stay healthy, or dedicate himself to being a complete football player as Kubiak seems to think, then he's no good for us in the long run ,and maybe he needs to be moved while he has some value.

Sheesh.....and some of you say Ahman Green is injury prone :rolleyes:

[Pantherstang84]

I think someone said it earlier.

The funny thing is that this is Jerome's contract year. You would think the guy would want to do anything the teams asks, including mix the Gatorade in order to get a bigger contract either here or in FA.

[caddy]

H- Shock... How do I tell you? Well, here goes. Just because a Carr hater wrote I was banned or had to leave... doesn't mean that was true. See the jest of this is... alot of Carr haters write stuff they want to happen as if it did. Not that it has any truth to it. Sorry I didn't respond to his rave, but most of the time it's just so dumb that I don't want to bring any type of light to it. But the same day I read it I did post at other threads just to show their was no truth to it. Now to point out that it has been 3 weeks that TSIP has not posted here... the reason why, is unknown to me. But the time seems to be right after he said I was baned from here. One last thing, I want to clear up. Vinny and double Barrel both have over the years here have wrote me PM's with that subject being brought up, and we have exchanged words about both points of view which have let to uneasy truce's between us. I'll most likey stick up for a man who has worn the Texans uniform as I know just what he has given up to wear it.

[truckin texan]

I think all of this started after kubes presser on monday and the injury report giving by him on mathis, kevin is working with him I don't know the injury, if the head coach doesn't know the injury and has to go into a game shorthanded then the player should be called out. As for the show I don't know when it aired so if it did b4 this then I don't understand where they got there info #1 and #2 I am no where around there so when does this show air that ya'll keep refering to?

[caddy]

H-shock, just what is your reply when an injury too him wasn't diagnosed right by us. Seems that a stress fracture in his foot was missed, and/or mess-up. Did you bad mouth him then also. The only PhD you have is in Cockalorum. Kick returners are Not soft, I wish you could do it and live to tell me different.

[HydrOshocK]

H-shock, just what is your reply when an injury too him wasn't diagnosed right by us. Seems that a stress fracture in his foot was missed, and/or mess-up. Did you bad mouth him then also. The only PhD you have is in Cockalorum. Kick returners are Not soft, I wish you could do it and live to tell me different.


I've never bad mouthed Mathis for what he's done on the field. I have given him much praise for being an electrifying player, but the FACT is he has played in only 17 games out of 48 total in his short career. Every game missed has been due to injury.......he's SOFT.

And FYI, I played football. I ran back kick returns. I know exactly what it takes. You should pick a fight with someone of an equal IQ caddy, you are fighting a losing battle with me.....or haven't you figured that out yet?

[TexansFanatic]

, but the FACT is he has played in only 17 games out of 48 total in his short career.

Actually we've only played 4 games so far this year, so he's had 36 opportunities to play. I'm with you HydrO, but I thought I'd clarify....

[HydrOshocK]

Actually we've only played 4 games so far this year, so he's had 36 opportunities to play. I'm with you HydrO, but I thought I'd clarify....

LOL...sorry bout that. I was in a hurry when I typed it. Score one for careless research. I'll get that corrected ;)

The point is still the same.

[TexansFanatic]

LOL...sorry bout that. I was in a hurry when I typed it. Score one for careless research. I'll get that corrected ;)

The point is still the same.

I thought as much. No worries ;-))

[caddy]

Ah, come on now... Just think of the whole 30 mins of the show. Was there anything they said worth listening to? If it wasn't for the NFL tapes they were showing they had nothing worth listining to.

I hope the dumb & dumber show... has Mathis on, while telling him about them bashing him for nothing.