Jerome Mathis

[amazingandre]

ok im sry but im about to rant here.....why in the world should we get rid of one of our pro bowl players? the guy was hurt yesterday and did not play....does anyone know if kubs said hey your hurt we should be ok without you today you can sit if you need to.....or maybe he is really hurt maybe sumthin is sprained.....no one knows what the heck is wrong so quit cryin and sayin to get rid of him......look at the bears....they have hester....a guy who all he does is pr and kr.....he isnt good at wr or cb......they keep him....he is a difference maker just like mathis....last year he was hurt but he got hurt in the pro bowl and got into a motorcycle accident wtf did you expect????? this year he battled the same hamstring problem but repsonded very well and stepped up when called upon....he hurt himself during the week and now we should cut or trade him....no way in hell should we do this...make him the kr/pr full time and thats it.....if we need him like we do now then have him as wr...let him be the best at the position....it works for the bears.....

[3andOUT]

He has shown flashes of brilliance but has not shown the ability to be able to stay on the field week in and week out. His body doesn't seem like it can hold up. The thing is that Mathis MUST be 100% or **** near it to be that playmaker he has shown flashes of. Why cut him though??? That's just stupid. Being able to get points from special teams is a huge asset and right now you take the risk of him taking up a spot on the roster. If you can pull a deal and get enough of a return you can pull the trigger but cutting him because you think he lacks the heart right now is dumb and probably a pretty ignorant opinion

[MIKE230765]

I like Mathis but if they can trade him and get a good player or draftpick in return then i would do it. Dexter wynn had some good returns yesterday. We can also see what jj can do as a kr as an option.

[Pantherstang84]

He has shown flashes of brilliance but has not shown the ability to be able to stay on the field week in and week out. His body doesn't seem like it can hold up. The thing is that Mathis MUST be 100% or **** near it to be that playmaker he has shown flashes of. Why cut him though??? That's just stupid. Being able to get points from special teams is a huge asset and right now you take the risk of him taking up a spot on the roster. If you can pull a deal and get enough of a return you can pull the trigger but cutting him because you think he lacks the heart right now is dumb and probably a pretty ignorant opinion

Players who lay down on their team start to affect morale in the locker room. TO in SF or Philly anyone?

The coaches can not allow that to happen. A message has to be sent that this behavior will not be tolerated.

His team mates desperately needed him in the game yesterday and he punked out. Sorry. I call it like I see it.

And yeah maybe I'm ignorant for doing so.

[Pantherstang84]

dude you have no idea why he didnt play yesterday...whether he said no or trainers or coaches.....so dont talk like he was being a punk about it

He was being a punk about it. When the trainers, doctors, x-ray machines, and MRI machines can't find a problem, then it is not serious.

Hell. My 16 yr. old son badly sprained his ankle in a baseball game this past spring. He told the trainer to tape him up and he went back out. His team had no one else to play 3b for them. The boy was in pain all game but he gave it up for his team mates and they appreciated it.

That is what a baller does. They don't lay down when the going gets tough.

[mamoo]

The coaches don't know why Mathis didn't play. The team couldn't find anything wrong with his leg. MRI tests revealed nothing. The team is still trying to figure out just how bad the injury is. Do they think he's faking it? No.

The question, how injured is his leg? Even at 90%, Jerome could help a team that is really depleted at returner and wide receiver. That's where everything stands right now in regards to #13. No one knows anything for sure, except that Jerome has missed a lot of games.

[Pantherstang84]

ya im sure mathis was like o this game will be hard im not gonna play give me a break...i dont hear you complainin about green....or aj.....all aj did was sprain his knee....hell maybe we should cut him using your logic

And with Green and AJ there was a valid medical diagnosis on their knees. I guarantee you that if the trainers and doctors would have told them it was ok, both AJ and Green would have had their butts on the dang ball field.

There is a history with Mathis. He has only played in 16 of the 36 games in his career. That's 44%. Therefore, he has only earned 44% of the money he is paid. Absolutely freaking pathetic and there is no valid defense for it.

On the other hand, AJ has only missed 5 of the 68 games in his career. That's 93% of being available. Ninety three freaking percent!

So no. I won't call for Green and AJ to be cut. Just Jerome.

[Pantherstang84]

The coaches don't know why Mathis didn't play. The team couldn't find anything wrong with his leg. MRI tests revealed nothing. The team is still trying to figure out just how bad the injury is. Do they think he's faking it? No.

The question, how injured is his leg? Even at 90%, Jerome could help a team that is really depleted at returner and wide receiver. That's where everything stands right now in regards to #13. No one knows anything for sure, except that Jerome has missed a lot of games.

At least they won't say it in public if they do.

[done88]

He is one of the most productive players on the team. Even with the short amount of time he plays. The team needs hm.

[Pantherstang84]

why not cut charles spencer? this is the only time mathis has doen anything like this...last year he was hurt and played when he could....and again the mri showed nothing for aj he has a sprain....how do we know mathies doesnt?

Again apples to oranges. Spencer has a documented injury.

Mathis has done this before. Anytime the team asks him to do more than being a one trick pony, he pulls the hammy, err, leg, err whatever act. He's just soft. Being soft is ok but not in the the NFL.

[Pantherstang84]

He is one of the most productive players on the team. Even with the short amount of time he plays. The team needs hm.

The team does need him. However, he thinks their need is so great they will tolerate him just skating by.

Who knows maybe he's right. At least other folks think he is.

[Pantherstang84]

again no he hasnt done this before....he has a legit injury last year....and when he could play he did.....and again how do you know he didnt sprain something? thats legit and it shows nothing on mris and x rays...im sayin your jumpin to conclusions before we even know

How do you sprain a shin? Sprains are joint injuries not bone injuries.

And again yes he has done it before. At least in the coaches eyes he has.

[Marcus]

He is one of the most productive players on the team. Even with the short amount of time he plays. The team needs hm.

The team needed him yesterday, and he didn't show up.

All Mathis wants to do is run back kickoffs, because to him, it's a another race. He wants to take the ball and beat everybody else up the field. That's all he wants to do.

He does not want to play receiver. Why? Because he doesn't want to take the tough hit, like AJ did, or like Davis did yesterday.

He's soft. (And I'm being very kind, here) And he can't be depended upon to step up and perform when needed. Kubiak needed him yesterday. The team needed him yesterday. WE needed him yesterday.

Maybe some here are perfectly happy with him running back the occasional TD, while doing nothing else. BUT I'M NOT.

He could have very well made the difference yesterday, but he layed down on his coach, his team, and US.

Get rid of him.

[Pantherstang84]

you can sprain your shin.....http://www.ubsportsmed.buffalo.edu/education/shinpain.html

You need to read the article in that link before you post it.

Shin pain generally occurs from overuse. This problem can come from stress fractures of the tibia or fibula, or from irritation of the muscles or other tissues of the lower leg. It can occur in runners who increase their mileage or the intensity of their running, or change the surface on which they are running. When you walk or run, your foot normally flattens out a small amount when it strikes the ground. If your foot flattens out more than normal, it is called over-pronation. Over-pronation can contribute to shin pain.

Shin splints show up on x-rays. I know. I've had them and they were diagnosed with an x-ray.

[Pantherstang84]

The team needed him yesterday, and he didn't show up.

All Mathis wants to do is run back kickoffs, because to him, it's a another race. He wants to take the ball and beat everybody else up the field. That's all he wants to do.

He does not want to play receiver. Why? Because he doesn't want to take the tough hit, like AJ did, or like Davis did yesterday.

He's soft. (And I'm being very kind, here) And he can't be depended upon to step up and perform when needed. Kubiak needed him yesterday. The team needed him yesterday. WE needed him yesterday.

Maybe some here are perfectly happy with him running back the occasional TD, while doing nothing else. BUT I'M NOT.

He could have very well made the difference yesterday, but he layed down on his coach, his team, and US.

Get rid of him.

Exactly.

[Pantherstang84]

you read one line...it said IT CAN COME FROM STREE FRATCURES....or running style changes or overuse....numerous things....IF it is a fracture then it will show up....YOU need to read before posting.....look im not gonna argue with you no more i thin kkeep him hes done nothing wrong but hes hurt...so can him thats ludacris.....you have your opinion and i have mine....o well we shall see what happens

My shin splints didn't come from stress fractures either but they still found it on the x ray.

Like you said we'll agree to disagree. I still say he's soft like Charmin.

[Pantherstang84]

of course they did :rolleyes:

So you think I'm lying Doc? I actually had some inflammation around my tibia. The orthopedist called it shin splints. Would you like his phone number so you can tell him he was wrong?

I want you to call me a liar right here and now. You need to back away from the keyboard before you go somewhere you don't want to.

[TexansFanatic]

A player needs to be on the field to contribute. You can have amazing talent, but if you're not showing up and playing what good is it to anyone?

At some point---when a player consistently misses so much time---you have to ask yourself: is it worth it to have this guy taking up a roster spot? The answer, in Jerome's case, is now tilting toward NO.

[Pantherstang84]

sure give me his number and name if it makes you feel better.....and in the mean time here is another cause of shin splints.

http://orthopedics.about.com/od/overuseinjuries/a/compartment.htm

Just IM'd it to ya.

[Pantherstang84]

sure give me his number and name if it makes you feel better.....and in the mean time here is another cause of shin splints.

http://orthopedics.about.com/od/overuseinjuries/a/compartment.htm

Now your reaching for excuses.

[Pantherstang84]

no im not....

http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/sportsmedicine/a/shinsplint.htm


I'm done with ya dude. When things start to get personal, all objectivity gets thrown out the window.

Bottom line. His team mates desperately needed him on the field yesterday and he didn't show up. If his injury was as severe as you think it is. he should have been on crutches yesterday. BTW...Shin splints are not that serious. I had to go out on a 12 mile road march a couple of days after mine were diagnosed.

It's amazing how people can coddle softness and mediocrity with the hope that someday they might get rewarded.

If you put your eggs in the Mathis basket, he will crush them.

[Pantherstang84]

hasnt crushed him yet bro and ive been supportin him since last year when all you fools say cut him.....im with himuntil he actually deserves to be cut....let him lose us games like cook did and ill say cut him....until he proves he doesnt deserve to be on our team im on his bandwagon

And after TC I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt albeit on a short leash. He reached the end of that leash this past week. To me he is done and over with. I don't think he will be wearing a Texans uni this time next year.

[HJam72]

I don't think I'd be any happier with him if he was just a mediocre returner who always played.

We're 4 games into the season and he has already given us a touchdown return. Maybe we don't like his spoiled "I don't play unless I feel like it," attitude, but what would we really gain from getting rid of him? A 4th or 5th receiver who is always healthy, and sits uselessly on the sidelines? Even with AJ hurt, it's not like we really need Mathis catching passes.

If AJ and Green were healthy and we were 4-0 right now, would we really be so ticked off at Mathis? I think we're projecting our anger over some of our best players being hurt and getting knocked down to last place in our division over the last 9 days onto a kick returner, who has already given us more production than most kick returners would anyway.

You know who's fault it is that AJ is hurt? Matt Schaub threw the ball too high on an over the middle pass and got him rung up by a linebacker. I know these things happen, but let's spread all the blame around to everyone and put it where it belongs. All of our problems are not just because a kick returner didn't play yesterday; and, if they were, that would just be more proof that we'd be crazy to get rid of him.

[Pantherstang84]

I don't think I'd be any happier with him if he was just a mediocre returner who always played.

We're 4 games into the season and he has already given us a touchdown return. Maybe we don't like his spoiled "I don't play unless I feel like it," attitude, but what would we really gain from getting rid of him? A 4th or 5th receiver who is always healthy, and sits uselessly on the sidelines? Even with AJ hurt, it's not like we really need Mathis catching passes.

If AJ and Green were healthy and we were 4-0 right now, would we really be so ticked off at Mathis? I think we're projecting our anger over some of our best players being hurt and getting knocked down to last place in our division over the last 9 days onto a kick returner, who has already given us more production than most kick returners would anyway.

No. I'm projecting my anger over a soft player. That same attitude is what started getting Randy Moss in trouble. We don't need that kind around here.

[Pantherstang84]

now your being rediculous not even close to the same

Just reponding to the other poster's "I don't play unless I feel like it," comment.

That sentiment is Randy Moss incarnate.

You really need to calm down. Now your just shooting from the hip, hoping to hit something.

[DeclanJr]

Nobody has mentioned it yet, but Dexter Wynn came in and went halfway down the field on two of his returns. Granted they were called back because of holding penalties, but he isn't that big of a downgrade.

[sleepwalker]

All of you make valid arguments. I think Mathis is a key to our success, especially when Jacoby gets back. These two guys are threats on special teams.

What do we have to gain by just cutting him? He's not even expensive. Not being sarcastic, I really don't know.

[Pantherstang84]

haha man im not even mad or angered but you werent even close when saying its like moss

Look, I didn't call Mathis, Randy Moss. If you will go back and read other post I referred to you can clearly see what I am talking about. When Randy Moss was in Minnesota and Oakland he told team mates. "I will play when I feel like playing." This is not disputable and is well documented.

[HydrOshocK]

A player needs to be on the field to contribute. You can have amazing talent, but if you're not showing up and playing what good is it to anyone?

At some point---when a player consistently misses so much time---you have to ask yourself: is it worth it to have this guy taking up a roster spot? The answer, in Jerome's case, is now tilting toward NO.

I have to agree with this post. Mathis is a great playmaker WHEN he's healthy. It does seem strange that he's always coming up gimpy when we need him most. Not saying he isn't hurt.....just saying he's hurt WAY too much.

There are people on this board that unjustly accuse Ahman Green of being injury prone and always hurt, which can be debunked by looking at his games missed over his entire career. In fact he has been quite durable and reliable, yet often times he's not allowed the benefit of the doubt.

On the other hand, evaluating Mathis's playing time in his short career definitely indicate he's been injury prone....yet we continue to allow him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not saying he's soft, although it's starting to appear that way, but at some point the coaches will have to consider other options if they can't count on him to be here week in and week out.

[outofhnd]

I think we play him because when healthy he is a difference maker and hes dirt cheap. Cheaper than JJ. Plus he is a decoy in the offense. why not use him as a KR? Not like he is a big drain on us. Its not David Carr money we are talkin about.

[CypressTexan]

All right which of you guys was it that just called the afternoon show on 610 to ask about mathis being injured? They said it again that the team was not happy he took himself out for the week since he was cleared to play.

[Pantherstang84]

ok well the radio isnt in the loop then....kubs just said on his live presser they knew days before the game mathis wouldnt play.....goes to show all of you who are doggin him sayin he wimped out have no idea what you are talkin about

proves nothing other than the team knew Mathis would not play. Says nothing about the severity of the "unspecified leg injury".

I'm telling you. You have to look beyond the fact that the guy is a fast runner. If there is any inkling that he is dogging it, then don't let the door hit him where the Good Lord split him on the way out. There is no discussion on that.

The discussion is whether he is dogging it or not. I say he is. WTF is a "unspecified leg injury" anyway? Doesn't sound like shin splints to me.