Schaub replaced by Rosenfels in the 4th Quarter

[TheLBCoach]

He came in and went 11/12 for 82 yards and a TD.

Should we read into this move, or was this nothing more than a backup QB coming in to play 'garbage time'. Keep in mind that Schaub has been less than spectacular over this little stretch of games.

Having Andre Johnson and Jacoby Jones out hurts him a bit, but it's up to him as a QB to step up his game and lead this team in the absence of our superstar Wide Receiver. He simply hasn't done that. I think Kubiak was sending him a little message.

Thoughts?

[Pantherstang84]

There must be a virus going around or something! People. It is called garbage time!!!!

[koshea]

lol, wow.....dont get this board started

sage came in becuase we were down by 28 points and theres no reason to keep your franchise QB in there with an agressive hard hitting JAX defense

[Footballz]

He came in and went 11/12 for 82 yards and a TD.

Should we read into this move, or was this nothing more than a backup QB coming in to play 'garbage time'. Keep in mind that Schaub has been less than spectacular over this little stretch of games.

Having Andre Johnson and Jacoby Jones out hurts him a bit, but it's up to him as a QB to step up his game and lead this team in the absence of our superstar Wide Receiver. He simply hasn't done that. I think Kubiak was sending him a little message.

Thoughts?


I just got in. 11/12 for only 82 yards????

[outofhnd]

no they were all over us Schaub was getting hit every play, we had no chance to win.

[Footballz]

no they were all over us Schaub was getting hit every play, we had no chance to win.


OMG! Shaub was getting hit? Like Carr?

I predicted a Texans win. :confused:

[outofhnd]

Yes but unlike carr most the time the ball was out of his hands

[TheLBCoach]

no they were all over us Schaub was getting hit every play, we had no chance to win.

I don't think it was a 'throw in the towel' move by Kubiak, nor do I think it was a 'let's not get him injured' decision. I really think Coach Kubiak was sending Matt a message. Matt has problems, especially with holding on to the ball and anticipating a blind side pass rush. What did he do the drive before he was benched? Fumbled the ball when Spicer came from his blind side and hit him.

[Footballz]

Yes but unlike carr most the time the ball was out of his hands


Sort of like this: http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=3270&page=108

Offense played as bad as usual inside the red zone. Don't know why it surprises me, when they do this every week. Schaub certainly deserves the most blame, 2 possibly 3 easy TDs in the end zone. The incompletion before Andres' fumble was inexcusable. Next time down, overthrows Walter down the middle in the endzone, what happened. Quarterbacks have to play to higher standard especially on this team

[Footballz]

Yes but unlike carr most the time the ball was out of his hands


After he fumbled?

[outofhnd]

He fumbled one time on a hit from his blindside if it was carr they would have had like close to 10 sacks.

[Footballz]

I don't think it was a 'throw in the towel' move by Kubiak, nor do I think it was a 'let's not get him injured' decision. I really think Coach Kubiak was sending Matt a message. Matt has problems, especially with holding on to the ball and anticipating a blind side pass rush. What did he do the drive before he was benched? Fumbled the ball when Spicer came from his blind side and hit him.


Well, there were a lot of posters saying the QB should be benched if he doesn't deliver.

Let's hope it was just one bad game.

[texanaggie]

He came in and went 11/12 for 82 yards and a TD.

Should we read into this move, or was this nothing more than a backup QB coming in to play 'garbage time'. Keep in mind that Schaub has been less than spectacular over this little stretch of games.

Having Andre Johnson and Jacoby Jones out hurts him a bit, but it's up to him as a QB to step up his game and lead this team in the absence of our superstar Wide Receiver. He simply hasn't done that. I think Kubiak was sending him a little message.

Thoughts?


Dur are you kidding me, you must have been listening to those retards calling the Texans game today who made a big deal about that switch, why risk your starter when its that far away i think some others hit right on the head ummmmm "garbage time" go back to sleep dude

[outofhnd]

One bad game for Salaam? I dont think so vanden Bosch is going to eat him alive.

[Footballz]

He fumbled one time on a hit from his blindside if it was carr they would have had like close to 10 sacks.



Lol.. sounds like it wouldn't matter.


How did Sage do in "garbage time?"

[outofhnd]

It wouldn't matter even if Sage would have been in there.

[taruky]

So Kubiak put in career journeyman Sage Rosenfeld to improve the QB play from good to spectacular.

[TheLBCoach]

Dur are you kidding me, you must have been listening to those retards calling the Texans game today who made a big deal about that switch, why risk your starter when its that far away i think some others hit right on the head ummmmm "garbage time" go back to sleep dude

Your Football IQ is shining ever so brightly.

[Footballz]

It wouldn't matter even if Sage would have been in there.


That's what I thought.

[Footballz]

Your Football IQ is shining ever so brightly.



Better put on my shades. :cool:

[outofhnd]

I want Spencer to play this year, I want to see what he has @ LT before this year is over, I need to know how big of a priority is LT. Here is our starter from a year ago just sitting there... I know its a serious injury but we cant wait a whole year plus the draft to say well we need an LT in '09

[TheLBCoach]

I want Spencer to play this year, I want to see what he has @ LT before this year is over, I need to know how big of a priority is LT. Here is our starter from a year ago just sitting there... I know its a serious injury but we cant wait a whole year plus the draft to say well we need an LT in '09

Charles Spencer will likely never be the same player again, if he even plays football again. We have to approach our LT situation as if Spencer isn't there and isn't ever coming back. We can't afford to wait on him and 'hope for the best'. I'm not the only one saying that either. That came from Kubiak's mouth going into the draft last year.

[WesmanTexanfan]

He came in and went 11/12 for 82 yards and a TD.

Should we read into this move, or was this nothing more than a backup QB coming in to play 'garbage time'. Keep in mind that Schaub has been less than spectacular over this little stretch of games.

Having Andre Johnson and Jacoby Jones out hurts him a bit, but it's up to him as a QB to step up his game and lead this team in the absence of our superstar Wide Receiver. He simply hasn't done that. I think Kubiak was sending him a little message.

Thoughts?



no no silly, calm down... schaub didnt fumble in the endzone, he didnt get stopped on 3 running plays, i thought he did a good job untill the fumble but the playcalling drove me nuts, reverse to the not so qucik kevin walter( guy had a great game, not his fault) amd the playcalling in the endzone, were makin it easy, they know what we're doing, forget "our game" in the red zone and SCORE....
also think demeacos ankle might have slowed down his 6 tackle game

[kenshinshinobi]

He only came in to not risk injury to Matt. He wasn't benched and the Jags played prevent because the game was over..

I agree with him. I said the samething when Sage came in the late 4th quarter.

[Wolf123]

Yea Kubiak really like schaub and he's improveing as the season goes on.

[Grid]

I don't think it was a 'throw in the towel' move by Kubiak, nor do I think it was a 'let's not get him injured' decision. I really think Coach Kubiak was sending Matt a message. Matt has problems, especially with holding on to the ball and anticipating a blind side pass rush. What did he do the drive before he was benched? Fumbled the ball when Spicer came from his blind side and hit him.

I really think you are reading too much in to it.

I really think it takes a fool to think we would give up on a young QB that shows as much talent as Schaub because of one game that he honestly didnt play that bad in.

I really think that you are creating weaknesses for Schaub that dont exist, but they happened in the Jax game so you are applying them to all of his previous starts and assuming that this is a flaw in his gameplay.

I really think you need to untwist your panties and decide if you are a Texans fan or not.

I really think it is obvious that we took out Schaub because it was not a winnable game and we VALUE him so much that we dont want to leave him in there and risk injury.

I really think that Rosenfels yards were the product of a good backup playing against a Jax defense that knew they had won and were more interested in letting the clock run down than keeping us from moving down the field. 11/12 for 82 yards... that is 7.4 yards per completion. What do you glean from that information? Ill tell you what I see.. I see that Jax was playing prevent defense, which kept us from throwing the ball deep.

I really think that there are better things to talk about.

[benefactor]

I really think you are reading too much in to it.

I really think it takes a fool to think we would give up on a young QB that shows as much talent as Schaub because of one game that he honestly didnt play that bad in.

I really think that you are creating weaknesses for Schaub that dont exist, but they happened in the Jax game so you are applying them to all of his previous starts and assuming that this is a flaw in his gameplay.

I really think you need to untwist your panties and decide if you are a Texans fan or not.

I really think it is obvious that we took out Schaub because it was not a winnable game and we VALUE him so much that we dont want to leave him in there and risk injury.

I really think that Rosenfels yards were the product of a good backup playing against a Jax defense that knew they had won and were more interested in letting the clock run down than keeping us from moving down the field. 11/12 for 82 yards... that is 7.4 yards per completion. What do you glean from that information? Ill tell you what I see.. I see that Jax was playing prevent defense, which kept us from throwing the ball deep.

I really think that there are better things to talk about.
Quoted for truth........

[GT]

Agree with Grid time to move on & let this thread die.Nothing to discuss.

[sleepwalker]

Obvious garbage time. I do like Sage though, but never over Schaub. Just about the only person carrying this team the past 3 weeks has been Schaub.

[Marcus]

I really think you are reading too much in to it.

I really think it takes a fool to think we would give up on a young QB that shows as much talent as Schaub because of one game that he honestly didnt play that bad in.

I really think that you are creating weaknesses for Schaub that dont exist, but they happened in the Jax game so you are applying them to all of his previous starts and assuming that this is a flaw in his gameplay.

I really think you need to untwist your panties and decide if you are a Texans fan or not.

I really think it is obvious that we took out Schaub because it was not a winnable game and we VALUE him so much that we dont want to leave him in there and risk injury.

I really think that Rosenfels yards were the product of a good backup playing against a Jax defense that knew they had won and were more interested in letting the clock run down than keeping us from moving down the field. 11/12 for 82 yards... that is 7.4 yards per completion. What do you glean from that information? Ill tell you what I see.. I see that Jax was playing prevent defense, which kept us from throwing the ball deep.

I really think that there are better things to talk about.

Grid . . great post on a completely assinine thread.

[TheLBCoach]

I'm not saying he's 'giving up on him', but I do think he was trying to send him a message. I think Kubiak is unhappy with his young QB.

By reading some of the posts in other threads of the people calling me out here, it seems that you guys don't like to talk about much other than 'our line sucks' or 'this team is nothing without AJ'. Forgive me for trying to post intelligently about something I felt was worth mentioning.

[Pantherstang84]

I'm not saying he's 'giving up on him', but I do think he was trying to send him a message. I think Kubiak is unhappy with his young QB.

By reading some of the posts in other threads of the people calling me out here, it seems that you guys don't like to talk about much other than 'our line sucks' or 'this team is nothing without AJ'. Forgive me for trying to post intelligently about something I felt was worth mentioning.

Here is what is worth mentioning. Have you ever heard of garbage time?

[TheLBCoach]

Here is what is worth mentioning. Have you ever heard of garbage time?

I mentioned garbage time in my orignal post. Forgive me for saying this, but I just don't think Kubiak would have put his backup QB in just because the game was out of reach. I think he was trying to send a message to Matt Schaub...that message being "If you don't perform like I expect you to, this is what's going to happen."

[Pantherstang84]

It had nothing to do with sending a message. it was a 28 point route and there is no need for Schaub to be in there to get a garbage TD and risk getting hurt in only the 6th game of the year. Still got a way to go. It is not like Schaub didn't have a good game he was 16/22 for 225 without a running game, just had one bad play on the fumble and that would be cause to pull him. Hell Carr had a hell of allot more than that before Kubiak pulled him. no need to look into this as any kind of message or QB controversy...

Agreed.

[kenneth24]

garbage time

[schaubisgod]

Considering that it has only been six weeks, I highly doubt that Kubiak is pulling the plug on Schaub...especially in favor of a guy like Rosenfels. It was just garbage time, garbage time in which the Jag's defense was playing prevent. Trust me, had Rosenfels been out there the entire game...it would have been even uglier than it was. Keep in mind that 3 of Schaub's 5 INTs this year have come from WR tips. Aside from a few arid passes, Schaub has shown a good level of consistency and good decision making.

[Houston_Fanatic]

Nonsense. Kubiak didn't want to get our franchise QB hurt when the game was out of reach.

[Marcus]

Forgive me for trying to post intelligently about something I felt was worth mentioning.

Well, if you tried, you failed. That's why you got the reaction that you did.

[caddy]

Yes, it wasn't the play before where Schaub carried the ball like a loaf of bread. Or that the fumble was his sixth, which turned into a touch-down for the Jags. Naw, Kubiak didn't get upset about fumbles... heck they are no big thing to him. Schaub knew it was because, he was looking out for him. Why, that explain's the water works from his eyes, it was from being happy to see the love for him. One last thing... I'm young, rich and very good-looking.

[bt304203]

He came in and went 11/12 for 82 yards and a TD.

Should we read into this move, or was this nothing more than a backup QB coming in to play 'garbage time'. Keep in mind that Schaub has been less than spectacular over this little stretch of games.

Having Andre Johnson and Jacoby Jones out hurts him a bit, but it's up to him as a QB to step up his game and lead this team in the absence of our superstar Wide Receiver. He simply hasn't done that. I think Kubiak was sending him a little message.
Thoughts?

we have an offense that has been hindered badly by injuries...we have no running game and we have to rely soully on schaub with less than average reciever talent since AJ, JJ, and JM went down. Jones is back finally which will help once he is back into the rythm...

we just need to trust in matt and ride through this stretch of bad luck

[trutexan02]

People have just been foaming at the mouth for Schuab to have a sub par day. Not even bad, but less than great. This team has been one demonsional for four weeks, yet Schaub has kept us in, or won, every game minus this one. And people are calling for his head.

Foolish....

Kubes saw time to get Sage some reps. Period.

[Wolverine]

Why is there a thread about this? He came in for mop-up duty people. Jeez. :rolleyes:

[taruky]

Considering that it has only been six weeks, I highly doubt that Kubiak is pulling the plug on Schaub...especially in favor of a guy like Rosenfels. It was just garbage time, garbage time in which the Jag's defense was playing prevent. Trust me, had Rosenfels been out there the entire game...it would have been even uglier than it was. Keep in mind that 3 of Schaub's 5 INTs this year have come from WR tips. Aside from a few arid passes, Schaub has shown a good level of consistency and good decision making.

Heck, the one yesterday wasn't even a tip. Went right into Davis' gut and he had the ball taken away. Man, some people here are brutal. Every QB misses someone in the endzone or throws a bad pass once or twice a game; Brady, Romo, you name him. The great Brady threw some bad passes yesterday and I counted a couple missed in the endzone. The difference is that he has more than enough opportunities to make up for it, doesn't make the suicidal mistake, and his teammates are talented and don't make mistakes.

You look at yesterday's game, and Schaub really should have been 20-31, 280 yards, 1 TD and no interceptions. That's basically the game he played. The Texans, as they have done all season, marched the ball up and down the field against a very good Jaguars defense. Even if they only get a FG out of it, it has the benefit of giving the Texans defense a rest. This business of the Texans defense being tired has absolutely nothing to do with the offense; they are tired because they can't stop anyone on 3rd down to save their lives.

Some people are saying Schaub isn't giving receivers a chance to run after tha catch. That's absurd. Most of the Texans receivers run to a soft spot in the defense and plant themselves there, as the play is designed. Again, go back to the Patriots game yesterday and see how often Pats receivers would catch the ball at a standstill, turn around, and run for extra yards. The Texans are basically playing with a nice group of possession receivers. Nobody is capable of breaking anything.

Finally, as for Schaub's fumbles; 2 of his fumbles this year were from the blind side with his arm hit while in throwing motion. There is really nothing he could have done about that.

[HuttoKarl]

Another game that us choking up the ball came back to kill us. Jacksonville was great yesterday. They sustained insanely long drives, kept our offense off of the field and wore our defense out. That's textbook NFL football....no crazy bombs or long TD's...just dink and dunk and run it down the gut football. Give props to the Jags for that.

Offensively, we didn't get a chance to get into any rhythm. Time to hit the film, fix what ails us and move on to the next game. Tennessee...let's turn it around this upcoming weekend.

And Schaub will be starting. Sorry Sage.

[caddy]

Ok, It's 2-8 on Jacksonville 21, and the QB fumbles the ball. It's returned 77 yrds. for a touch down. At that point Kubiaks decides to " rest his QB " You know to save him from a losing effort. Ya'll can put all the perfume on this you want. I really don't care. Maybe we didn't even get our butts handed to us yesterday.

[Texan Rocky]

Some of you have such ridiculous agendas in regards to this team. Matt has played really well, and the David Carr mancrush love club needs to let their little boy-toy go.

I know you all have been watching, and it has been eating you up inside that matt has played well. And it falls right in line that you would wait with clenched fists for matt to have a bad game. And he did'nt even have that bad of a game. Maybe if the D could have stopped the Jags AT ALL in the second half, we wouldnt have this stupid thread, and the david carr fan club and the "Start Sage" idiots would have no ammunition to unload on our QB.

I dont like to play the "true Texans fan" card, but it is amazing how some of you put your immature agendas ahead of the team you supposedly "follow". Matt had a tough day, but it happens. And I sure as hell aint gonna kick a guy while he's down. Especially since when all is said and done, this is still the best team we've had so far.

NEWS FLASH: the TEAM had a bad game. Yes Matt fumbled, but to suggest that this is anything more than garbage time is completely MORONIC. It's as clear as David Carr's flawless skin.

[caddy]

Yep... I agree like a brick wall. Kubiak says stuff like " He got a nick " just what is that??? well once it was he was out for the next game. Matt throws a int after the fumble, and Davis loses it ( God why bring this stuff up ) Hey, he got sat down... end of story. He'll play next week, you'll will live after being sat down. Kubiak, yells and storms at everyone. This was just his first time.

[Footballz]

Well, if you tried, you failed. That's why you got the reaction that you did.


Actually, it was the team that failed, this week.

[Footballz]

Why is there a thread about this? He came in for mop-up duty people. Jeez. :rolleyes:


Actually, that is what it was. This is Shaub's first year as a starter.

It was one bad game.

[caddy]

That is very true. One guy can't do it. Ya win or lose as a team.

[Sportswriter79]

That is very true. One guy can't do it. Ya win or lose as a team.

Hopefully they will bounce back strongly next week at home.

[WesmanTexanfan]

i say we trade sage for a couple picks then use one of those on an understudy to schaub.... rosenfels is awesome but we can get more out of him like that.....schaubs the starter

[3andOUT]

lol, wow.....dont get this board started

sage came in becuase we were down by 28 points and theres no reason to keep your franchise QB in there with an agressive hard hitting JAX defense

no kidding, here comes the "why isn't sage the starter?" threads. Sage has been solid, but if you've watched the games, Schaub seems to be able to do some things that Sage probably can't.

[Wolf123]

I'm curious just how much we could get for sage. Every time he comes into the game he plays well. I don't see why there wouldn't be any interest in him.

[4Texans]

I didn't read the whole thread.... But there is no reason to read anything into Kubiak pulling Schaub. The game was out of hand after the INT, and he wanted to Schaub from getting beat up and it was good for Sage to get some reps. He also took Green out and left Gado in for the rest of the game. Schaub isn't going to be riding the bench any time soon, and Kubiak was not trying to send him a message at all, other than "I want to make sure you don't get injured".

I was glad Kubiak put Sage in and let him have some reps. You never know when we might need him with the way QB's get injured in this league.