Mario Is a BUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jhowie007]

My patience has worn thin with this guy. It is time for him to start giving back some checks if he can't do what he is supposed to do. He is lazy and doesn't even give it 90% half the time he is out there. We pay too much money to watch this organization put such a bad product out there on the field. This is too many years now we have had to go through this.

[outofhnd]

Wait another 8 games most d lineman do not show production until year 3.

[misterpc]

Mario was the only Texan to get a sack this week.

Special thanks to the OP for contributing such a valuable thread to this board.

[jhowie007]

Mario was the only Texan to get a sack this week.

Special thanks to the OP for contributing such a valuable thread to this board.

Hahahahahaha.... Phillip Rivers just kind felll down on that "sack". Technically, Mario gets credit for a sac but he will probably never get a gimme like that again.

[misterpc]

It might be a good idea to get some more posts under your belt before creating new threads. I just realized that was your first post.

[jhowie007]

It might be a good idea to get some more posts under your belt before creating new threads. I just realized that was your first post.

This is the first time I have posted on here in a few months. I have posted on these boards before and been a member as long as I have been a season ticket holder. (4 years) I do not see why it is necessary that you are here to police who can and who can't post anyway unless I am being offensive or attacking other members. ARE you a moderator???? If so, then you are not a good one. If you don't like what I have to say, then ignore it or be more specific as to what is you disagree about or keep your opinion to yourself.

[Wolf123]

I think the point is your ripping mario when he was the only one with a sack today! He bull rushed the Tackles all the way back into rivers, disengaged his block and got the sack it wasn't a gimme.

[misterpc]

This is the first time I have posted on here in a few months. I have posted on these boards before and been a member as long as I have been a season ticket holder. (4 years) I do not see why it is necessary that you are here to police who can and who can't post anyway unless I am being offensive or attacking other members. ARE you a moderator???? If so, then you are not a good one. If you don't like what I have to say, then ignore it or be more specific as to what is you disagree about or keep your opinion to yourself.

Not a mod, just giving a little constructive advice. This is the kind of thread that trolls create, "mario is a bust" is one of their favorites. If you were to make an intelligent thread discussing specific aspects of Mario's game, or analyzed specific plays he was involved in, or explained how he is falling short in certain areas, or suggested what he needs to do to improve his playing, perhaps this thread would have been worth reading. But there was none of that. If all you wanted to do was complain, there are better targets to ***** about. Mario isnt perfect but right now he is about average for a DE in the NFL, which should prevent him from being labeled a "bust". Also he is still young and inexperienced, which means he has the potential to get better and someday blossom into a probowl DE.

[jhowie007]

Not a mod, just giving a little constructive advice. This is the kind of thread that trolls create, "mario is a bust" is one of their favorites. If you were to make an intelligent thread discussing specific aspects of Mario's game, or analyzed specific plays he was involved in, or explained how he is falling short in certain areas, or suggested what he needs to do to improve his playing, perhaps this thread would have been worth reading. But there was none of that. If all you wanted to do was complain, there are better targets to ***** about. Mario isnt perfect but right now he is about average for a DE in the NFL, which should prevent him from being labeled a "bust". Also he is still young and inexperienced, which means he has the potential to get better and someday blossom into a probowl DE.

Lets see.... #1 overall pick and he is too lazy to bullrush more than he does and he is "average for a DE"... He was the #1 overall pick. The fact of the matter is this is just another Charlie Casserly disaster that we will be regretting for years. Yeah, we have a defensive end that is average though that is getting paid #1 overall money though and using up all of our cap space. Nice argument you make.. but he is a bust when you consider what is expected of him. If he was close to performing like Freeney or Peppers, then you would have a leg to stand on, but that is just not the case.

[Houston_Fanatic]

Wait another 8 games most d lineman do not show production until year 3.

So, you give Mario 2 full seasons to develop but declare Schaub a failure after 8 games? :rolleyes:

[jhowie007]

So, you give Mario 2 full seasons to develop but declare Schaub a failure after 8 games? :rolleyes:

Heh... I would not have wanted to be Schaub today.. That was a cheap shot though but ever since McKinney has been out, his protection is ten times worse than it was. Maybe the Texans should seriously consider drafting an offensive lineman. While McKinney was playing, the pass protection was not that bad. Schaub was having good games.

[Wolf123]

If you talking about players not living up to the hype in 2006 draft!
1. mario williams
2. Reggie Bush
3. VY
4. D'brick Ferguson
6. Vernon Davis
7. Micheal Huff
10. Leinart
16. Jason Allen
18. Bobby carpenter
John margo
deangelo williams
Marced Lewis.

The point is that all of these players have not lived up to the hype and are struggleing! Give them time unless you want to call them all busts

[Clubroach]

My patience has worn thin with this guy. It is time for him to start giving back some checks if he can't do what he is supposed to do. He is lazy and doesn't even give it 90% half the time he is out there. We pay too much money to watch this organization put such a bad product out there on the field. This is too many years now we have had to go through this.

Thats why you don't spend your first draft picks on D-linemen. They are probably the hardest to gauge for transition to the NFL. just My Opinion

[misterpc]

Lets see.... #1 overall pick and he is too lazy to bullrush more than he does and he is "average for a DE"... He was the #1 overall pick. The fact of the matter is this is just another Charlie Casserly disaster that we will be regretting for years. Yeah, we have a defensive end that is average though that is getting paid #1 overall money though and using up all of our cap space. Nice argument you make.. but he is a bust when you consider what is expected of him. If he was close to performing like Freeney or Peppers, then you would have a leg to stand on, but that is just not the case.

"Bust" is a term for describing someone who is a total failure, not someone who is average. It is fair to say that Mario has not lived up to the expectations of a #1 pick, and that has been dissappointing. But seeing as he is a serviceable starter, the word "bust" is not applicable. And this thread still gets a one-star rating. Not because of your opinion, but because you failed to provide any shred of meaningful insight

[Frills]

VY has an astounding 42 yards passing!!!

[Grid]

DE is considered by many to be the toughest position to learn at an NFL level.

What we do know about Mario is that he is physically able, and willing to learn. Now we just need to give him an adequate amount of time to do so before we start calling him a bust.

In the past..ive defended players for too long...Carr especially.. and Mario has that same feeling as a player that "should have shown something by now".

So, I feel ya when you say he is a bust..im worried about that as well. However, you have to give these young players enough time to develop before you pass judgement. So im just gonna stay worried until his 4th season. That is how long I decided to give him when we drafted him. If, after his 4th season he hasnt stepped up and proven to be a top DE in the league, then im gonna start talking about trading him.

[TheLBCoach]

Wait another 8 games most d lineman do not show production until year 3.

That's becoming a worn out excuse.

[TexansFan99]

VY has an astounding 42 yards passing!!!

Why is it that anytime a Mario thread is put up, someone has to put a VY comment on also.....just my pet peeve.

[BIG ERN]

If you talking about players not living up to the hype in 2006 draft!
1. mario williams
2. Reggie Bush
3. VY
4. D'brick Ferguson
6. Vernon Davis
7. Micheal Huff
10. Leinart
16. Jason Allen
18. Bobby carpenter
John margo
deangelo williams
Marced Lewis.

The point is that all of these players have not lived up to the hype and are struggleing! Give them time unless you want to call them all busts

Here Here!

[BornOrange]

Just because Mario had a sack doesn't mean he had a good game. That was just one of 40 offensive plays for San Diego.

That sack was his only tackle. Other than the sack, he really didn't apply any pressure on Rivers. He wasn't a big factor in the running game.

It would be one thing if Williams was dominating his man and just missing out on sacks, or forcing the runner to change his direction to avoid getting killed by Mario. The absence of stats in those situations hide a dominating performance.

Instead, Mario has a remarkable level of efficiency. On those rare occasions when he actually puts pressure on the QB, he is coming away with a sack. He is making tackles when he gets by his man. Unfortunately, on the other 97.5% of the plays he is AWOL.

[headsplint]

Just what we need, yet another "Mario Williams is a bust" thread.

[thompsw8]

Mario has not been that bad guys especially for his 2nd year. He has more tackels than Freeney and more sacks and more solo tackles than Peppers and Freeney. Sure he still has stuff to learn but he has just about as many sacks as he did last year in half the games. He also has a TD. He has been more active this year than last year. And who would you rather have taken Reggie Bush with his great 3.5 yards a rush and his 3 Fumbles or VY with his 3 TD and 6 INT passing. and his 1 TD passing. I mean none of these guys are tearing up the league. And also Bush has a lot more supporting talent on offense and VY has a great defense to lean on in Tennesse and a good running game that they have always had. So if you call Mario a bust you should call VY and Bush also a bust and Bush is making more money than Mario.

[Texas Rider]

Don't just point out mario. I've said the coaches need 2 be lashed on and the front office. A few players can't do it all.

With that I understand D. Rob anger. Don't look like it's going 2 get better.

[281lxm]

Updowns.

[outofhnd]

So, you give Mario 2 full seasons to develop but declare Schaub a failure after 8 games? :rolleyes:

There is a difference between a rookie and someone who is a career backup who should "avoid the careless mistakes" I dont see the playmaking ability that turns L's into W's. Sure he finds open receivers till we get in the opponents red zone then it just doesnt happen. I didnt say Schaub is a failure but he has been a disappointment. If he continues disappointing then he will be a failure. He had chances to win the games he played in just didnt make the plays to win.

[Darkninja]

Hahahahahaha.... Phillip Rivers just kind felll down on that "sack". Technically, Mario gets credit for a sac but he will probably never get a gimme like that again.

Most of Mario's sacks came from QBs that fell down on their own....just like D. Culpepper had ran in his direction and tripped/ fell. Mario just happened on that b/c he fell as well on Culpepper...what a punk! He always gets "handicapped" sacks! Sacks that he had help on...I've been saying it all along that he sucks.....and now everyone truly sees it.

[TexansCM]

There is a difference between a rookie and someone who is a career backup who should "avoid the careless mistakes" I dont see the playmaking ability that turns L's into W's. Sure he finds open receivers till we get in the opponents red zone then it just doesnt happen. I didnt say Schaub is a failure but he has been a disappointment. If he continues disappointing then he will be a failure. He had chances to win the games he played in just didnt make the plays to win.

Honestly, Schaub has started 10 total games in his career. Losing AJ didn't help his progress. Then losing his center and getting injured doesn't help either. Oh I forgot no run game either.

[3andOUT]

Mario was the only Texan to get a sack this week.

Special thanks to the OP for contributing such a valuable thread to this board.

Mario showed up for that one play. He was completely out of position and constantly engaged with blockers on most run plays.

If anybody has the game DVRed go back to 3:00 left in the 1st half and watch Mario's attempt at a spin move. His footwork was atrocious and he just spun himself down to the ground.

It's too soon to say he's a bust, but he is not showing any flashes of brilliance that a typical #1 overall pick shows. Nobody on that defense besides Dunta, Demeco and TJ are playing with any fire.

[Ole Miss Texan]

Some of Mario's sacks have been falling on players but its unfair to blame him for that...a LOT of players get their sacks that way so if we really want to compare #'s....the best thing to do would be to actually watch each play and see how the pressure was applied.

Mario had one sack a game or so back that showed how strong he is. He rushed past the LT, the QB stepped up, and Mario grabbed the jersey from behind with his left hand and pulled the QB down (it may have been Gray for the JAgs?). That showed how strong he is, but no that wasn't a sack where he knocked the crud out of the QB though so maybe that shouldn't count either.

If I remember correnctly, Ladanian was running a lot AWAY from Marios side. I rememeber watching this specifically because I wanted to see Mario hit him hard.

[El Tejano]

Let's see, the Chargers ran 18 plays in the first half and scored 35 points. 21 of those points came off turnovers. In the second half they scored 0 points.

[kmc1499]

If anybody has the game DVRed go back to 3:00 left in the 1st half and watch Mario's attempt at a spin move. His footwork was atrocious and he just spun himself down to the ground.



I was watching mario on that play. Its was a pretty poor spin move. The only good i can say is at least he is trying to use moves instead of the bull rush. Usually he dosen't try the spin until he is way out of position. IMHO he is slowly coming along, once he puts the moves together and continues to get stronger we will see why we drafted the guy #1 overall.

[redkoolaid]

Hahahahahaha.... Phillip Rivers just kind felll down on that "sack". Technically, Mario gets credit for a sac but he will probably never get a gimme like that again.

Actually you're wrong...

EVERY SINGLE ONE of Marios sacks...except the one handed one...have been gimmes...where the QB would literally fall into Mario...and hed get credited with the sack..

[redkoolaid]

Not a mod, just giving a little constructive advice. This is the kind of thread that trolls create, "mario is a bust" is one of their favorites. If you were to make an intelligent thread discussing specific aspects of Mario's game, or analyzed specific plays he was involved in, or explained how he is falling short in certain areas, or suggested what he needs to do to improve his playing, perhaps this thread would have been worth reading. But there was none of that. If all you wanted to do was complain, there are better targets to ***** about. Mario isnt perfect but right now he is about average for a DE in the NFL, which should prevent him from being labeled a "bust". Also he is still young and inexperienced, which means he has the potential to get better and someday blossom into a probowl DE.

when you're the #1 Pick in the NFL Draft...and were touted by the Texans brain trust...as an immediate impact...to stop Peyton Manning...and you're only average...that means...you're a BUST!

[redkoolaid]

also, guys...you always say that Mario is being double teamed..

Im watching Mario on EVERY play...and he's not..

[HuttoKarl]

Sacks are sacks. Michael Strahan had the biggest gimme sack in history yet people still consider him the record holder.

No DE is going to get a sack every freaking down. Get used to it.

[wrestler4life]

Lets see.... #1 overall pick and he is too lazy to bullrush more than he does and he is "average for a DE"... He was the #1 overall pick. The fact of the matter is this is just another Charlie Casserly disaster that we will be regretting for years. Yeah, we have a defensive end that is average though that is getting paid #1 overall money though and using up all of our cap space. Nice argument you make.. but he is a bust when you consider what is expected of him. If he was close to performing like Freeney or Peppers, then you would have a leg to stand on, but that is just not the case.

I guess that Reggie and Vince are busts too, because even though their teams are doing well, they are doing well in spite of them.
Looking at stats would make those 2 busts as well.

[Historyhorn]

Mario has not been that bad guys especially for his 2nd year. He has more tackels than Freeney and more sacks and more solo tackles than Peppers and Freeney. Sure he still has stuff to learn but he has just about as many sacks as he did last year in half the games. He also has a TD. He has been more active this year than last year. And who would you rather have taken Reggie Bush with his great 3.5 yards a rush and his 3 Fumbles or VY with his 3 TD and 6 INT passing. and his 1 TD passing. I mean none of these guys are tearing up the league. And also Bush has a lot more supporting talent on offense and VY has a great defense to lean on in Tennesse and a good running game that they have always had. So if you call Mario a bust you should call VY and Bush also a bust and Bush is making more money than Mario.

If I were the Titans, I'd trade their supporting cast for the Texans....especially if you looked at it prior to the start of the year. When Tavis Henry left, it was pretty much agreed that the Tacks had a whole bucket of crap at the RB position. Lendale was in a whale look-alike contest. Chris Henry couldn't even start on his college team. The WR position was even worse. A collection of no-names and average talents there. Their O-line was nothing to write home about. On the defensive side of the ball, they had a decent D-line, but the argument could legitimately be made that our D-line had more talent and potential. I'd take our LB over theirs in a heartbeat. Finally, after Adam (retard) Jones got suspended for the year, who would have traded for their secondary??? Not I. I'd have taken Dunta and his crew for sure.

Injuries have certainly played a part in our demise, but if you looked at it objectively before the season started, I'd have rather had our guys over Vince's supporting cast.

[wildroot]

I think too much is at stake with your #1s. It's too much of a sink or swim proposition. Too much money involved, too high of expectations (rightly so).
I'd rather trade our 1st round position in the draft to get multiple 2s and 3s. I know AJ was a wonderful pick, but those are just too rare.
I would expect more from Mario by now, I think he's been a disapointment. My opinion.
But you get some 2s and 3s and your expectations are lower, they're hungrier to prove they deserve the big money and if they bust they don't take your team down with them. Plus you get more draft picks.
If we could trade our 1 for a 2 and 3, I'd do it every year without looking back.

[Thesouphead]

Wait another 8 games most d lineman do not show production until year 3.



I see people in my area complaining about the DE(Jamaal Anderson) we just drafted....wanting him to be cut and it's only been 7 games. haha

[3andOUT]

I think too much is at stake with your #1s. It's too much of a sink or swim proposition. Too much money involved, too high of expectations (rightly so).
I'd rather trade our 1st round position in the draft to get multiple 2s and 3s. I know AJ was a wonderful pick, but those are just too rare.
I would expect more from Mario by now, I think he's been a disapointment. My opinion.
But you get some 2s and 3s and your expectations are lower, they're hungrier to prove they deserve the big money and if they bust they don't take your team down with them. Plus you get more draft picks.
If we could trade our 1 for a 2 and 3, I'd do it every year without looking back.

I agree with you. Expectations and salaries for #1 overall picks are too high, plus there is always a considerable amount of risk involved. I would be content trading down in most situations to get more picks. Quality of picks is obviously more important than quantity but you can never be sure what you're going to get out of a player.

[WesmanTexanfan]

i think your wrong, but either way thats 1/22 players that start, not including coordinators and coaches.... so i dont buy it... guys gotts get some help from those other 21(plus coaches and coordinators) soo i mean maybe hes not the greatest #1 pick, but he was the best at what we needed at the time and i have confidence in him to show up...... i dont think he had anything to do with the 2 blown coverages and speacial teams TD...

[gsus8091]

Mario Williams is a certified bada$s. I love how the haters all jump on him at once and then they try to down play his stats like, "oh Kansas City sucks their O-Line is horrible." Is that why they're 4-3 and tied for the lead in their division. So I guess when Mario got 2 sacks against them he was just lucky. And the sack against Miami, well hell they're Maimi. Well actually Miami's O-Line has been the only bright spot this year. Ronnie Brown was on pace for a career year. But I guess because Miami is 0-8 that means Mario' sack was bogus. And then yesterday, people want to say that Rivers just fell into him. I don't care how the sack happened. He was going against a Pro-Bowl LT all day yeasterday in McNeil. And guess what? That happens. It happens all the time. Michael Strahan pushes QB's towards Osi all the time. Same goes for Freeney and Mathis and Rucker into Peppers. It happens every game, but when Mario gets that kind of sack he's "lucky". But thats besides the point he's got 4 sacks and 22 tackles, thats almost 4 a game with 1/2 sack average a game.

Not bad for playing on defense with the worst DB talent in the league. I don't see anybody jumping on Dunte Robinson for giving up a huge play against Roydell Williams last week during the Titan game. And actually Robinson has had a lot a trouble with shutting down WR's during game-on-the-line situations. But nobody talks about him, because he acts all wild after losses and people see that he has a fire in him regardless of how bad he plays. So he's excused. The secondary is so bad that opposing QB's have all day to throw. I mean for Christ sake people, the secondary made Joey Harrington look like a Pro-Bowl QB. How is the D-Line going to get any sacks if the secondary can't cover a WR for longer than 2 seconds.

It's so funny that people who root for the Texans want the Texans' most valuable member on the defensive side of the ball to fail. While guys like Dwight Freeney who has a ton of help on that defense has less sacks and tackles than Mario while Mario is targeted even more by the offensive lineman than Freeney. Same goes for Julius Peppers. He has an outstanding defensive line and he's only got 1.5 sacks. I mean, Jesus, I wonder how bada$s Mario would be if he had a monster next to him like Kris Jenkins. As for the number 1 DE taken in the 2007 NFL Draft, Gaines Adams. He's only got 1.5 sacks he's 2 years older and "SUPPOSED" to be a pass rush maniac. And Jamaal Anderson doesn't even have 1 sack. So I guess they both suck and should be dropped and the GM's hung up by their extremeties.

You people have no class. Totally cluless. Mario is awesome and he's gonna be a Texan for a long time. Oh, and I voted for him to go to the Pro-Bowl like 50 times, and I'm not the only one. Go on www.footballsfuture.com and you'll see that the only people dissing Mario are the fringe Houston Texan fans. Outside of Houston, **** near everyone is loving Mario and his play this year.

[WWJD2]

Andre Ware made the comment on the radio broadcast yesterday that the D lineman were getting blocked 10 yards past the line of scrimmage yesterday.
The D lineman had a horrid game yesterday.

[HuttoKarl]

Mario Williams is a certified bada$s. I love how the haters all jump on him at once and then they try to down play his stats like, "oh Kansas City sucks their O-Line is horrible." Is that why they're 4-3 and tied for the lead in their division. So I guess when Mario got 2 sacks against them he was just lucky. And the sack against Miami, well hell they're Maimi. Well actually Miami's O-Line has been the only bright spot this year. Ronnie Brown was on pace for a career year. But I guess because Miami is 0-8 that means Mario' sack was bogus. And then yesterday, people want to say that Rivers just fell into him. I don't care how the sack happened. He was going against a Pro-Bowl LT all day yeasterday in McNeil. And guess what? That happens. It happens all the time. Michael Strahan pushes QB's towards Osi all the time. Same goes for Freeney and Mathis and Rucker into Peppers. It happens every game, but when Mario gets that kind of sack he's "lucky". But thats besides the point he's got 4 sacks and 22 tackles, thats almost 4 a game with 1/2 sack average a game.

Not bad for playing on defense with the worst DB talent in the league. I don't see anybody jumping on Dunte Robinson for giving up a huge play against Roydell Williams last week during the Titan game. And actually Robinson has had a lot a trouble with shutting down WR's during game-on-the-line situations. But nobody talks about him, because he acts all wild after losses and people see that he has a fire in him regardless of how bad he plays. So he's excused. The secondary is so bad that opposing QB's have all day to throw. I mean for Christ sake people, the secondary made Joey Harrington look like a Pro-Bowl QB. How is the D-Line going to get any sacks if the secondary can't cover a WR for longer than 2 seconds.

It's so funny that people who root for the Texans want the Texans' most valuable member on the defensive side of the ball to fail. While guys like Dwight Freeney who has a ton of help on that defense has less sacks and tackles than Mario while Mario is targeted even more by the offensive lineman than Freeney. Same goes for Julius Peppers. He has an outstanding defensive line and he's only got 1.5 sacks. I mean, Jesus, I wonder how bada$s Mario would be if he had a monster next to him like Kris Jenkins. As for the number 1 DE taken in the 2007 NFL Draft, Gaines Adams. He's only got 1.5 sacks he's 2 years older and "SUPPOSED" to be a pass rush maniac. And Jamaal Anderson doesn't even have 1 sack. So I guess they both suck and should be dropped and the GM's hung up by their extremeties.

You people have no class. Totally cluless. Mario is awesome and he's gonna be a Texan for a long time. Oh, and I voted for him to go to the Pro-Bowl like 50 times, and I'm not the only one. Go on www.footballsfuture.com and you'll see that the only people dissing Mario are the fringe Houston Texan fans. Outside of Houston, **** near everyone is loving Mario and his play this year.

I love this post.

By the way...on the sack yesterday, I saw Mario drive the Tackle back about ten yards right toward Rivers, who stepped up in the pocket...Williams releases off the tackle and gets Rivers. Sack. Rivers didn't fall into Mario. Mario made that play happen.

Our safeties stunk. Our QB's stunk. I saw a ton of passes hit FB's and TE's and WR's in the hands only to have them bounce off. We didn't cover Gates or Chambers. Our kick and punt returns were god-awful as was Ron Dayne's Running.

But who cares about any of that. Let's talk about Mario Williams and what a bust he is, even though he's now half a sack shy of his TOTAL for last season.

[Wolf123]

I told people that already and they don't care.

[gsus8091]

Andre Ware made the comment on the radio broadcast yesterday that the D lineman were getting blocked 10 yards past the line of scrimmage yesterday.
The D lineman had a horrid game yesterday.

Ten yards....umm...that son is the most ridiculous comment ever. As for Andre Ware, he's garbage. Really, does anyone care what this bust, has been thinks? That comment makes no sense. On the play where Rivers threw the ball to Gates I can't remember what TD it was, but Mario was as close as you could be to a QB without sacking him, but because there was no coverage Rivers was able to get rid of the ball. That play was the sum of the game. Once again, just like the Titan game, the D-Line is playing super well, but the rest of the D is falling flat on thier face. The secondary is a total disgrace. The Texans better take Kenny Phillips then trade up into the 2nd round and take Tribble or Cason. Because this will keep happing untill the talent level is raised.

[TexansFaninNC]

Ok, am I the only one to notice how newbies come on ONLY to bash and name call? JHowie, do you have anything POSITIVE to say or are you really a cowboys fan trying to cause trouble?

[Vincesanity10]

Ten yards....umm...that son is the most ridiculous comment ever. As for Andre Ware, he's garbage. Really, does anyone care what this bust, has been thinks? That comment makes no sense. On the play where Rivers threw the ball to Gates I can't remember what TD it was, but Mario was as close as you could be to a QB without sacking him, but because there was no coverage Rivers was able to get rid of the ball. That play was the sum of the game. Once again, just like the Titan game, the D-Line is playing super well, but the rest of the D is falling flat on thier face. The secondary is a total disgrace. The Texans better take Kenny Phillips then trade up into the 2nd round and take Tribble or Cason. Because this will keep happing untill the talent level is raised.

Texans D-Line played well against the Titans...I guess so if one sack is well?

[FFTeamon]

How was the Chargers pass rush? They only got one sack. There is alot more to pass rushing than sacks.

[misterpc]

The Texans D-line didnt look good against the Titans. Only a complete jackass would blame it all on Mario though. Mario is working hard and improving, and he is not the reason we are losing. He is the best DE on our team right now, so what the hell good would it do to get rid of him?

[jhowie007]

"Bust" is a term for describing someone who is a total failure, not someone who is average. It is fair to say that Mario has not lived up to the expectations of a #1 pick, and that has been dissappointing. But seeing as he is a serviceable starter, the word "bust" is not applicable. And this thread still gets a one-star rating. Not because of your opinion, but because you failed to provide any shred of meaningful insight

I have read several of your posts as well that only get one star ratings. Get a grip on reality.... Anyone who is paid #1 overall money that performs the way he does is a bust. He is using up cap space and only hurts the team by not living up to expectations.

[outofhnd]

What expectations? Yours? He has 4 sacks on a defense that doesnt blitz because besides dunta no one can cover. He has equalled last years stats for him from last year and we are at the halfway point. Plus he has a defensive TD. Hes only a bust because his offense cant score. Hes beating blocks that he didnt last year. He cant win the battle every play and he is going to make mistakes. But to say he is a bust in 2 years is fool hearty. Now if he was in the training room injured again then yea I would say he is a bust but he is out there on a defense that can only afford to rush 4.

[Alpha-Male]

"Bust" is a term for describing someone who is a total failure, not someone who is average. It is fair to say that Mario has not lived up to the expectations of a #1 pick, and that has been dissappointing. But seeing as he is a serviceable starter, the word "bust" is not applicable. And this thread still gets a one-star rating. Not because of your opinion, but because you failed to provide any shred of meaningful insight


Similar to the way that i look at the situation. I also include the fact that Casserly made the pick or was instrumental in the pick, that coupled with the fact that CC is no longer with us makes me more optimistic about the whole situation. Mario is indeed "serviceable" and can only improve. He may never turn into Super-Mario, but he will be above average and therefore not a bust, maybe a disappointment, but you have to remember he didn't pick himself #1 overall. Blame CC.

[sleepwalker]

The entire team is hurt and you're blaming Mario. Just dumb. I can't even comment.

[DeclanJr]

Honestly, Schaub has started 10 total games in his career. Losing AJ didn't help his progress. Then losing his center and getting injured doesn't help either. Oh I forgot no run game either.

Don't forget the the whole left side of the offensive line has been suspect. The majority of the time the receivers aren't getting open and there is a lot of pressure on Schaub coming from his backside.

[outofhnd]

Again I just dont see the ability, the command, the will to take a team down the field and win the game. John Elway didnt have superstar receivers, didnt have the greatest O line, Didnt even have a solid rushing attack. but everytime the ball was in his hand you held your breath. Favre has that it factor. I really don't get that feeling from schaub that says I am gonna make something happen and we are going to get 7 points out of this. Not saying schaub is not an improvement over 3 and out David, but it seems like the closer we get to the opponents endzone the less effective he gets. He isn't going to have andre all the time, I just dont see him making the right choices down there.

[jhowie007]

Again I just dont see the ability, the command, the will to take a team down the field and win the game. John Elway didnt have superstar receivers, didnt have the greatest O line, Didnt even have a solid rushing attack. but everytime the ball was in his hand you held your breath. Favre has that it factor. I really don't get that feeling from schaub that says I am gonna make something happen and we are going to get 7 points out of this. Not saying schaub is not an improvement over 3 and out David, but it seems like the closer we get to the opponents endzone the less effective he gets. He isn't going to have andre all the time, I just dont see him making the right choices down there.

Here is a good idea..... Rather than trading away a first round pick and two second round picks on a QB that is going to get knocked into next week, how about use some of those picks on O-lineman??? Then we would have a QB that could get better results. Don't get me wrong, our QB situation is better than it was last year but we probably just should have gone with Sage and worked on improving the line and then get our QB. The O-line is just one enormous VOID we have on this team. Faggins has got to go. We need help with the secondary... . I am praying that we don't end up being a bad luck franchise like the Detroit Lions. Casserly has really messed this team up and hope the ship can be turned around before AJ and Dunta are too old.

[VY Owns You]

My patience has worn thin with this guy. It is time for him to start giving back some checks if he can't do what he is supposed to do. He is lazy and doesn't even give it 90% half the time he is out there. We pay too much money to watch this organization put such a bad product out there on the field. This is too many years now we have had to go through this.

you just now figured this out?

[GT]

you just now figured this out?

How about that Titan QB. Spectacular show he put on sunday, NOT.:D

[VY Owns You]

How about that Titan QB. Spectacular show he put on sunday, NOT.:D

5-3 admit that Fisher having him under center handing the ball off is not playing to his strength. They need to let Vince be Vince...his teammates would defend him though if anyone had the balls to cheap shot him. People love playing for VY

[ReliantTexan]

5-3 admit that Fisher having him under center handing the ball off is not playing to his strength. They need to let Vince be Vince...his teammates would defend him though if anyone had the balls to cheap shot him. People love playing for VYDude, why are you even here? Why don't you go to the tians MB so you can share your obsession of VY with your fellow jocksniffers. This is a Texans MB and we don't want to hear about how god-like you think he is.

[schaubisgod]

Is he a defensive god in his second year? No. However, please explain to me how he is a bust. Being an expensive player that takes time to learn doesn't make one a bust, it makes them an investment. I am pleased with the way Mario Williams is coming along. In another couple of years, he and Okoye are going to be dangerous.

[texun]

Mario is a bust in relation to his draft position, pay check and meeting expectations. That said, he is an average D lineman with a great deal of upside. He does not provide value as the first overall pick but does still provide value (as a lower pick). The jury is still out on Mario but I haven't seen the heart and mentality from him required of a pro bowl D lineman.

[Battle-Red]

Just a note:

Peppers year 2 after 8 games: 17tkls 15solo 2sacks 1Pdef
Peppers year 2 total: 44tkls 37solo 7sacks 3Pdef

Freeney year 2 after 8 games: 10tkls 10solo 4sacks 1Pdef
Freeney year 2 total: 31tkls 27solo 11sacks 1Pdef

Mario year 2 after 8 games: 22tkls 17solo 4sacks 1Pdef 1td
Mario year 2 total: will see

[Cogstexans]

Just a note:

Peppers year 2 after 8 games: 17tkls 15solo 2sacks 1Pdef
Peppers year 2 total: 44tkls 37solo 7sacks 3Pdef

Freeney year 2 after 8 games: 10tkls 10solo 4sacks 1Pdef
Freeney year 2 total: 31tkls 27solo 11sacks 1Pdef

Mario year 2 after 8 games: 22tkls 17solo 4sacks 1Pdef 1td
Mario year 2 total: will see

I have posted that before in other forums. Seems like people want to see blood when it comes to Mario no matter what. If we are losing fans are going to come down hard on every player. I'm sure the argument to this is going to be something about not being the #1 overall pick, or their contract amounts. Of course, I still don't think any of the others that were being considered were worthy of the #1 pick either.

[dalemurphy]

Mario is a bust in relation to his draft position, pay check and meeting expectations. That said, he is an average D lineman with a great deal of upside. He does not provide value as the first overall pick but does still provide value (as a lower pick). The jury is still out on Mario but I haven't seen the heart and mentality from him required of a pro bowl D lineman.


How does he compare to this year's #1 pick?
07- J. Russel
05- Alex Smith
04- Eli Manning
02- David Carr
01- Mike Vick
00-Courtney Brown
99- Tim Couch

I skipped the 03 season, that was Carson Palmer. He clearly has met expectations... However, what is the Bengals' record right now? How many playoff games have they won since he was drafted? The reality is that the first pick, in today's game, is more of a curse- due to the escalating and slotting of rookie contracts, not to mention the pressures placed on these young men... Maybe as fans wanting Mario to succeed for the team, we should look at this list and contemplate what factors may have led some of these guys to falter. Perhaps the fans had something to do with it?

[dalemurphy]

How does he compare to this year's #1 pick?
07- J. Russel
05- Alex Smith
04- Eli Manning
02- David Carr
01- Mike Vick
00-Courtney Brown
99- Tim Couch

I skipped the 03 season, that was Carson Palmer. He clearly has met expectations... However, what is the Bengals' record right now? How many playoff games have they won since he was drafted? The reality is that the first pick, in today's game, is more of a curse- due to the escalating and slotting of rookie contracts, not to mention the pressures placed on these young men... Maybe as fans wanting Mario to succeed for the team, we should look at this list and contemplate what factors may have led some of these guys to falter. Perhaps the fans had something to do with it?

If I'm not mistaken, all of those players have combined for one playoff win... That was Mike Vick way back in '02 or '03.

[Clamp]

Am i the only one who hear Kubiak say in the monday presser that Mario was playing great? he is the only player (offensive or defensive) that i remember him singling out to say he played well. He said he has been DOING great, as in not just this game but for a while. Go to the home page and listen if u dont believe me. maybe some one can quote him for me.

[outofhnd]

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I know some great anger management courses if you are interested. :D

Seriously Mario is in phase 2 at this point he is on pace for 8 sacks on the year, which is a pretty impressive number. whats the record 13.5 in a year? And strahan did that what in year 10 of his career? 12 sack in 2 years is pretty darn impressive for DE on a defense that cannot blitz.

[BIG ERN]

Give him half a year

[HuttoKarl]

I know some great anger management courses if you are interested. :D

Seriously Mario is in phase 2 at this point he is on pace for 8 sacks on the year, which is a pretty impressive number. whats the record 13.5 in a year? And strahan did that what in year 10 of his career? 12 sack in 2 years is pretty darn impressive for DE on a defense that cannot blitz.


I thought Strahan's record was 20-something, althought Favre just fell down so that sack doesn't count, according to detractors of some of Mario's sacks. :)

[Vincesanity10]

How about that Titan QB. Spectacular show he put on sunday, NOT.:D

Seriously dude, we keep winning with a lousy playing qb? Imagine if Vince was accurate? We'd be unstoppable. You mention how bad Vince played Sunday on a "mario is a bust" thread. 5-2 vs3-4 or 3-5(whatever your record is). Classic. Why even bring his name up now? Vince will never be a Texans!! If some of your fans can get that why can't you...back to mario. I like Mario. They dn't talk texans much here in Memphis, so i don't know how bad or good he is. To have 4 sacks at this point is pretty good. People act as if the guy is supposed to be GOD and never miss a play. He's gonna be fine

[outofhnd]

Wow 22.5? Well Still we dont run anything special up fron sometimes we run a twist but not often due to the inexperience we have on our DL. I cant imagine how it will look when these front 4 guys get it.

[infantrycak]

Stop with the profanity.

[HuttoKarl]

Seriously dude, we keep winning with a lousy playing qb? Imagine if Vince was accurate? We'd be unstoppable. You mention how bad Vince played Sunday on a "mario is a bust" thread. 5-2 vs3-4 or 3-5(whatever your record is). Classic. Why even bring his name up now? Vince will never be a Texans!! If some of your fans can get that why can't you...back to mario. I like Mario. They dn't talk texans much here in Memphis, so i don't know how bad or good he is. To have 4 sacks at this point is pretty good. People act as if the guy is supposed to be GOD and never miss a play. He's gonna be fine


Exactly. That's a pretty quality post.

[Vincesanity10]

Dude, why are you even here? Why don't you go to the tians MB so you can share your obsession of VY with your fellow jocksniffers. This is a Texans MB and we don't want to hear about how god-like you think he is.

We like coming here listening to ya'll moan about every player on your team e.g. schaub, mario, faggins. Those early season wins have really spoiled ya'll. Now a little trouble comes along and all of a sudden, people are bust, can't take a hit or can't hold water. You all sound like sore losers....coming from a fan whose team started 0-5 and finished 8-8. Grow up and believe in your team.

[Grams]

Mario will always be a bust to some "fans" here (and I use that term "fans" loosly) unless he has 10 sacks a game. Then he might - just might not be a bust.

[sleepwalker]

I really hate to say it, but I think our DC is doing a poor job. I know he's working hard and all that blah that Kubiak says. I'm just not buying into the *bend don't break* system.

Our D looks very unprepared each week and don't give me that crap about the Chargers didnt score in the second half, they didnt even try. This D gives up 2 times the scoring drives as the rest of the division.

I honestly don't think it's Mario's fault.

Why not try something creative like Fisher did against us :

Rush 5 or 6 and force the other team out of double teaming Mario and Amobi so they can make some plays.

[Zac Attack]

My patience has worn thin with this guy. It is time for him to start giving back some checks if he can't do what he is supposed to do. He is lazy and doesn't even give it 90% half the time he is out there. We pay too much money to watch this organization put such a bad product out there on the field. This is too many years now we have had to go through this.


Stop being a troll ;)

Ha ha, just messing with you. You call it like you see it.


I'm not waiting for awsome number from him, I'm just waiting for him to be a terror on the DL. I don't care if he doesn't get a single sack as long as he wears out the offensive linemen he's going against.

He's got 4 sacks, which is nice an all, but he needs to DOOMANATE THE offensive linemen!!!

[outofhnd]

Im sure you ask any opposing lineman about it I doubt that any of them say it was a piece of cake.

[Texicano]

My patience has worn thin with this guy. It is time for him to start giving back some checks if he can't do what he is supposed to do. He is lazy and doesn't even give it 90% half the time he is out there. We pay too much money to watch this organization put such a bad product out there on the field. This is too many years now we have had to go through this.

QFE :mad: