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gsus8091
10-31-2007, 02:04 PM
Okay, I know it's early but we need to be thinking about the Texans weak spots and where the money needs to go.

I'll first start off with the draft. This is never cut and dry but as of right now I think that our two biggest needs are safety and RB.

So in the 1rst round I suggest:

1a. Kenny Phillips (SS/FS- Miami)
1b. Jonathan Stewart (RB- Oregon)

Phillips is perfect for us. He can play either the strong or free safety spot and he's a tough ball hawk who can fill the gaps on the run with power and will. He's an excellent tackler and he has terrific hands. Phillips hasn't produced as expected but his lack of production can be our gain. He was projected at the beginning of the year as a top 6 player, now he's a borderline top 10. That's within our range.

Stewart on the other hand would give us a power back with the speed and cut back ability to play in the zone blocking that the Texans employ. Just to ask you guys. Have you seen this kid play? He's fantastic. Big, around 6'0 225lbs. and very fast. I bet he runs in the 4.4's. Stewart is also the Ducks KR. Not bad for a 230lbs. player. He has excellent speed along with great agility and he isn't afraid of taking a hit. Stewart would start from day one and would be a ginormous upgrade and would fit in nicely with this team.


Our next pick would have to be depth. That means a CB or a DE. I know, I know. We have Robinson and Mario. But the opposite side of them is certaily some of the weaker spots on this team. Faggins is a total disgrace and wouldn't even be a nickel on some teams. As for Anthony Weaver, he couldn't have been a bigger dissapoitment. He was supposed to solidfy the left side but he hasn't. He was supposed to be a force against the run, but he hasn't, he was supposed to bring leadership over from a great Raven defense but he hasn't. It's time to cut our losses and move on.

So with the 2nd pick in the 2nd round (that's right, the only way to get a solid bada$s is to trade up back into the 2nd round).

2a. Antoine Cason (CB-Arizona)
2b. Lawrence Jackson (DE-USC)

Cason is a favorite of mine and could fall due to slow 40 times. Now the 40 times won't be aweful they'll just be in the 4.5's. Thats why he will most likely fall. The Texans need to jump up and trade what they need too to get him. Cason is a true playmaker in every sense of the word. Great hands for a CB, and his physical against the run. If you've seen any Arizona games very rarely does he get challenged. During the USC game, he was only thrown too a hand full of times and no TDs went against him. I love this kid and he and Dunta would be one of the best combo's in the league.

Jackson on the other hand is a player that has started from day one at Southern Cal. I like him alot. The attention he has received from opposing offensive lines has forced his production to lighten, but it has humbled and rededicated him to improve his game and work harder at his craft. Jackson is the kind of guy the Texans could use and he would bring a fiery personality along with him. He can play the run and rush the passer equaly and he brings it on every down. He might move back into the 1rst round, but if he should be in the 2nd and Cason isn't there, then the Texans need to grab him and start him right away.

As for the rest of the draft the Texans need to add depth. Depth in the offensive line and the secondary. Those two corps are usually hit the hardest with injuries from year to year. And there is no better way to counter those injuries than by having young players trying to prove that they belong.

I like a few players that the Texans should hopefully look at.

Offensive Lineman:

Jordan Grimes (OG-Purdue)
Will Arnold (OG-LSU)
John Sullivan (C-Notre Dame)
John Greco (OT-Toledo)
Tony Hills (OT-Texas)
King Dunlap (OT-Auburn)
Adam Kraus (OG- Michigan)

Secondary

Chevis Jackson (CB- LSU)
Dwight Lowery (CB- San Jose St.)
DJ Wolfe (DB- Oklahoma)
Quintin Demps (FS- UTEP)
Jonathan Hefney (FS- Tennessee)
Darien Williams (DB- Oklahoma)
Tom Zbikowski (SS- Notre Dame)
Craig Steltz (SS- LSU)
Jamar Adams (SS- Michigan)



Now that I talked about the draft, it's time to get to the free agent part of the off-season. This is kinda tricky because depending on who is resigned and who isn't we really don't know. But I'll assume that most don't and will hit the market. The Texans have a few dollars this year to spend. But free agency isn't a place where you want to fill your team. You just want to gain a couple of impact players who can be leaders and bring something to the table from day one.

Free Agents

1. Lance Briggs LB- Briggs can bring a ton to the table. Briggs is a high impact low risk player. He doesn't get hurt and he produces at Pro-Bowl levels. Also Briggs can bring his leadership and winning attitude to the Texans. I know we have Morlon Greenwood, but Morlon is no Lance Briggs. Greenwood can be moved to the strong side while we put Briggs on the weak side. Briggs would give us a big time playmaker to team up with our young, demon DeMeco Ryans to form one of the better duo's in the league. Lance would be a leader from day one. And I believe he would feel honored to be asked to help lead a young team along with DeMeco. Briggs has to be a priority come this off-season.

2. Karlos Dansby LB- Dansby will probably be signed by Arizona at some point, but if he isn't and the Texans aren't interested in Briggs, Dansby is a must signee. Karlos has played all three LB positions at some point in his young career with the Cards and has become super productive and has also shined in a relatively weak Cardinal defense. Karlos Dansby is only 26 years-old and would be entering his prime with the Texans. He would be able to play the strong side or the weak side. He has terrific size at 6'4 240lbs. and he can blitz with the best of them. I love this guy and he would certainly bring a lot to the Texan orginization.

3. Alan Faneca OG- Faneca is all but gone in Pittsburg. He will leave via free agency. Alan would give the Texans a superior leader on the O-Line. He would bring his Pro-Bowl ability to a young and inexperienced line and teach them how to win with technique and power. He's a leader on and off the field, not just by example but by letting players know when and where they made a mistake. He's a vocal leader, and he would be more than welcome in a Texan uniform. I know he is a little old, but he has a good 3-5 years left in him. If we should draft Jonathan Stewart I wouldn't want anybody else blowing up holes for him than Alan Faneca. He would be that presence that this team so despertly needs on offense.

4. Justin Smith DE- Justin Smith would give us a perfect compliment to Mario Williams. He has an outstanding motor and is as consistent as you could get at the defensive end position. He averages more than 70 tackles a year and around 8 sacks a year. Not highly productive in the pass rush but he is a try hard freak who loves the game of football and is one intense mofo. Justin Smith is coming into his own as a leader with the Bengals, but I feel he would do better with a group like the Texans. I believe he would be a major player playing along side guys like Okoye, Williams, and Johnson. Smith could give us a consistent player who isn't afraid to get in someone's face if they make a mistake.

5. Jared Allen DE- Jared Allen is an enigma. He was drafted in the 4th round but should have been drafted much, much higher. At least the 2nd, but because of off the field problems he has only hurt himself. He was also suspended for the first 2 games of the 2007 season. So his off-the-field behavior isn't exactly ideal. But what he lacks off the field he surely makes up for on it. To sum up Allen is to call him a serious pass rush monster. He is barely containable. Allen can sack any QB against any OT. It doesn't matter. He just seems to be one of those guys where the game of football just comes easy to him. Now, he wouldn't bring any leadership to Houston, but he would bring his production and playmaking ability. The Chiefs would be fools not to resign him, but Allen is a wild card and he might know that testing the market would bring him bigger dollars. Man...he would look good playing opposite Mario.



Well, that's my Texans 2008 off-season. You might have noticed that I didn't mention Asante Samuel in my free agency section. I did that for a reason. I don't want the Texans to get locked into a gigantic contract like the 49ers did with Nate Clements. Yes, Samuel is a terrific player, but he isn't worth $70-$80 million dollars. I also didn't mention any wide receivers in the draft section because I believe we are set at that postion, and to draft a WR high would be very irresponsible by the front office.

I truely believe that this off-season by the Texans is going to be huge for the future of what path this orginization takes. Are we going to be a yearly contender or are we going to be a mediocre team or worse, a bottom feeder? I think that the draft picks of the past two years have been excellent and I truely believe that the Houston Texans are on the right path, but we now need to continue are ascent into the level of a playoff caliber orginization.

What do you think?

Salesbury Steak
10-31-2007, 02:09 PM
We don't have a second round pick in the 2008 draft. It was part of the Schaub deal.

3andOUT
10-31-2007, 02:12 PM
What a post. I love Stewart, I think he would be a great fit. How do you propose we get back in to the 2nd round though? 2nd round picks are like gold and tough to wrestle away from teams. You don't have the expectations of a 1st rounder, and there is still a ton of talent left out there.

Allen will be franchised so he's out, but I think we have to get a solid edge rusher which you can pick up in the 4th or 5th round.

I don't see Dansby going anywhere and I think Briggs would be great to have but that's a lot of money. Faneca is old, and for some reason he thinks 33 year old offensive linemen warrant big time lengthy contracts. He is dillusional.

I don't know enough about the draft class for next year yet, because the OS is so distant, but we need RB, S/CB, Rush End and an interior lineman badly

gsus8091
10-31-2007, 02:13 PM
We don't have a second round pick in the 2008 draft. It was part of the Schaub deal.


I know that, if you read it, you would have seen that I explained that we should trade up back into the 2nd round.

Salesbury Steak
10-31-2007, 02:16 PM
My bad...Good post. I noticed 3 of the 4 of your draft wishlist are from the PAC-10. I'm a USC Trojan season ticket holder and I like your assesment of those on your list. Jonathan Stewart is a beast!

3andOUT
10-31-2007, 02:18 PM
My bad...Good post. I noticed 3 of the 4 of your draft wishlist are from the PAC-10. I'm a USC Trojan season ticket holder and I like your assesment of those on your list. Jonathan Stewart is a beast!

We don't get to see too many Pac10 games down this way, but I am confident that conference is the 2nd best in the nation. Everybody has speed, just not as much as the SEC. That being said, the Pac10 is going to be a force for years and years to come, and I see them being on par with the SEC within a decade

gsus8091
10-31-2007, 02:19 PM
What a post. I love Stewart, I think he would be a great fit. How do you propose we get back in to the 2nd round though? 2nd round picks are like gold and tough to wrestle away from teams. You don't have the expectations of a 1st rounder, and there is still a ton of talent left out there.

Allen will be franchised so he's out, but I think we have to get a solid edge rusher which you can pick up in the 4th or 5th round.

I don't see Dansby going anywhere and I think Briggs would be great to have but that's a lot of money. Faneca is old, and for some reason he thinks 33 year old offensive linemen warrant big time lengthy contracts. He is dillusional.

I don't know enough about the draft class for next year yet, because the OS is so distant, but we need RB, S/CB, Rush End and an interior lineman badly


I sort of seeing Faneca work out like Kevin Mawae did after he left New York and went to Tennessee. Faneca might be asking to much though. But if he isn't I think it would be great to get him. As for Jerad Allen, do you really think they'll franchise him? I don't know. Like I said he seems to be a little off the wall, and he might get crazy with them and threaten to sit out all year. I don't know. But I would love him to play for us. Anyway, also I don't think the Cards franchise Dansby, and if he does hit the market, I think he would fit in extremely well with us. Don't you?

I'm curious, would you want a guy like Justin Smith? I think he would be great, on and off the field for the Texans and their defense.

Anyway, I hope you enjoyed the post. I've been thinking about the off-season for a while now.

outofhnd
10-31-2007, 02:19 PM
Well I doubt Kenny Phillips gets out of the top 5. If He does he is definately my pick. If Stewart has a stong showing at the combine he could be off the boards by the time we pick.

3andOUT
10-31-2007, 02:23 PM
I sort of seeing Faneca work out like Kevin Mawae did after he left New York and went to Tennessee. Faneca might be asking to much though. But if he isn't I think it would be great to get him. As for Jerad Allen, do you really think they'll franchise him? I don't know. Like I said he seems to be a little off the wall, and he might get crazy with them and threaten to sit out all year. I don't know. But I would love him to play for us. Anyway, also I don't think the Cards franchise Dansby, and if he does hit the market, I think he would fit in extremely well with us. Don't you?

I'm curious, would you want a guy like Justin Smith? I think he would be great, on and off the field for the Texans and their defense.

Anyway, I hope you enjoyed the post. I've been thinking about the off-season for a while now.

They basically came out and told Jared Allen they would franchise him....and like pretty much everyone else but kickers and punters, he wasn't very happy with that. I like Justin Smith too, for some reason I didn't comment on him, but I think he'd be solid. I guess for some reason, I just don't see us landing any of those guys.

gsus8091
10-31-2007, 02:25 PM
They basically came out and told Jared Allen they would franchise him....and like pretty much everyone else but kickers and punters, he wasn't very happy with that. I like Justin Smith too, for some reason I didn't comment on him, but I think he'd be solid. I guess for some reason, I just don't see us landing any of those guys.

Really? Why? Do you think it's the money or the system? Or is it that most of them won't leave their original team? God, I hope it's not the first two things. I'm pretty sure we have so good money to spend this upsoming off-season.

3andOUT
10-31-2007, 02:31 PM
Really? Why? Do you think it's the money or the system? Or is it that most of them won't leave their original team? God, I hope it's not the first two things. I'm pretty sure we have so good money to spend this upsoming off-season.

Neither really, I just don't see those FAs coming here for some reason. Just a vibe. We will make some key additions though for sure. Rick Smith knows talent and will continue to bring in as much of it as he can. This team is young and slowly improving (although the last few games have made people think otherwise), so I think we can get some solid young FAs who can step in and help us. I just don't see having the stature and upside to lure away any marquee names just yet.

foozball
10-31-2007, 08:48 PM
i really dont think we need to draft a CB with a 2nd rounder, especially if you take phillips in the 1st.

i dont think we need a FS in the 1st round either. with good scouting, you can find a FS later. ive fallen in love with Charles Godfrey from Iowa. he's physical, has 4.4 speed, a perfect body at 6'1 210lbs, and he's got ballskills (4 INT's). he's a very good run supporter. he plays CB for Iowa right now, but watching him play, his skills just scream free safety. he's gonna be a really good one. 4th rounder.

we have to get the OLine fixed. as much as we need a RB, we need to get a LT who can block something. i want someone who is physical and excels in run blocking. i think schaub can live with a mediocre pass blocker, but the team as a whole cant survive without an OLine that can run block.

3rd round we can go for 2 positions. either DE or RB. Chris Ellis would be a nice pick in the 3rd if he lasts that long. i like Cory Boyd's game as a RB because he can do so many things.

Wolf123
10-31-2007, 10:23 PM
With the emergence of Bennett I don't think Cb is as big of need either, but make no mistake a player like Phillips instantly changes our whole defense. He's the type of player that brings that swagger like Dunta and he's exceptional at all aspects of the game.

TheLBCoach
10-31-2007, 11:04 PM
With the emergence of Bennett I don't think Cb is as big of need either, but make no mistake a player like Phillips instantly changes our whole defense. He's the type of player that brings that swagger like Dunta and he's exceptional at all aspects of the game.

I think CB is still very much a need. Bennett isn't the most durable guy out there, so we're going to need some insurance. CB isn't a Round 1 need, I'll say that...but somebody needs to be behind Faggins at #4 on the depth chart. Maybe that guy is Jason Horton next season.

It's time for the Texans to invest a Round 1 pick on the offensive side of the football.

foozball
10-31-2007, 11:31 PM
well, jamar fletcher's name hasnt been mentioned much, and i havent seen him play very much the past few games...not sure if hes injured, but he's a good guy to have as a nickle guy

CB 1- Dunta
CB 2- Freddy B
CB 3- Fletcher
CB 4- Godfrey

FS 1- Godfrey
FS 2- Brown

SS 1- Brown
SS 2- Earl

Draft Charles Godfrey as the starting FS, but he has CB experience. If he needs to move to CB due to injuries, then use Earl and Brown as the Safeties. Secondary problem solved.

Towlie
10-31-2007, 11:55 PM
Wheres boulware??? o wait i forgot he's a LB

gsus8091
10-31-2007, 11:56 PM
I know you guys wouldn't want a CB if we traded up into the 2nd, but if Cason is there I think that you'd not only be filling a need but you'd be selecting the best player available too. Cason would give us another ball hawk and if we were to take Phillips in the 1rst and Cason in the 2nd, can you imagine what kind of defense we would then have. Then throw in Dansby or Briggs, or even Justin Smith via free agency and that would give us easily one of the most talented defenses in the NFL and then we would we be Indy's biggest rival in the division.

Our defense seems to be where the front office wants to spend the money. Why not sign and take the players that are most needed on the defense? I mean I think that we can all agree that a #2 CB, SS/FS, OLB, and a DE are all needs on the D. It's just a matter of best player available, and if that's the player that's there then we shouldn't pass on him for another need.

I have faith that Mr. Smith will make the right calls come this off-season.

foozball
11-01-2007, 01:11 AM
does cason even fit our system? we play so much man to man (been playing some zone lately...not that its helped) and petey is always getting beat. we need a CB with some speed to recover from mistakes. i think cason still goes round 1 anyways. in any case, i think fred bennett has earned himself a shot at the #2 CB spot. he's had some injuries, but his ability to stick to receivers is very good for someone who has relatively little experience. id be much more inclined to pick a pass rushing DE than a CB right now

ReliantTexan
11-01-2007, 01:20 AM
If we go RB or safety in the first. Then we should definitely target Chris Samuels in FA.

TheLBCoach
11-01-2007, 02:05 AM
Dwight Lowery at San Jose State is underrated. He is very good.

Dare I say it? ..... If Echemandu performs well and stays healthy the rest of the season, do we even need to draft a RB in 2008? Chris Taylor's coming back ready to go next season as well. I'm still high on Rice and Mendehall, but if it's not necessary...

foozball
11-01-2007, 10:34 AM
i really dont see why everyone wants a CB so early. he wont crack the starting lineup anyways. fred bennett has shown enough talent that he will be the #2 CB next year barring injury

steelbtexan
11-01-2007, 08:26 PM
If we have a top 7 pick I would try to trade down & get a 2nd rd. pick.
rd1 Clady
RD2 Alex Mack
RD3 Hills or Boyd
RD4 Godfrey
RD5-7 BPA

F.A. I would like to see signed (Faneca great leadership on ol & Briggs dynamic lb great leadership & would look good behind Mario & beside Ryans)

infantrycak
11-02-2007, 09:47 AM
i really dont see why everyone wants a CB so early. he wont crack the starting lineup anyways. fred bennett has shown enough talent that he will be the #2 CB next year barring injury

A 1st round CB absolutely could beat Bennett out for the starting job. You start whoever performs better. Just like Dunta there are rookie CB's who beat out vets, and Bennett ain't that much of a vet, every year.

outofhnd
11-02-2007, 11:30 AM
Id rather get Phillips, a Playmaking safety that would solidify the middle of our defense.

foozball
11-02-2007, 03:48 PM
A 1st round CB absolutely could beat Bennett out for the starting job. You start whoever performs better. Just like Dunta there are rookie CB's who beat out vets, and Bennett ain't that much of a vet, every year.

sure a 1st round CB could beat out Bennett...name one from this year's class. this is a weak crop of CB's, and none are worth a top 10 pick.

also, i believe with a secondary of dunta and bennett at CB and Charles Godfrey and CC at the safety positions, our secondary will be much improved from this year. our offense however, is much more of a mess than the defense. all we have to do is replace Faggins to improve the secondary by a fair margin, and im positive Bennett is better than Faggins at covering receivers. i also dont think it's wise to spend a top 10 pick on a #2 CB opposite Dunta when we need a #1 RB and a #1 LT...especially when guys like Jonathan Stewart or Ryan Clady are available.

you cant invest in a QB like Schaub without giving him some help, whether it be in the form of a franchise RB or a standout LT. we have enough talent on the defensive side that all we need to do is add a few supporting players, but the core of our offense is just not up to par. we have to learn from our mistakes with Carr, who never got any help. we've seen what can happen to Schaub without help, and it will only get worse if we overlook the OL.

infantrycak
11-02-2007, 03:55 PM
i also dont think it's wise to spend a top 10 pick on a #2 CB opposite Dunta when we need a #1 RB and a #1 LT...especially when guys like Jonathan Stewart or Ryan Clady are available.

Fine value other positions over CB, but there is no need to bolster the argument with an inaccurate statement that no rookie would beat out Bennett.

foozball
11-02-2007, 04:01 PM
and as far as taking Phillips, look at the opportunity cost. would you rather have Phillips and a 3rd round OT or a Ryan Clady and Charles Godfrey? Clady and Godfrey will make much more of an impact than Phillips and whoever is available in the 3rd. trust me, watch Godrey play. the difference in talent between him and Phillips is not as big as you might think. let's see...

CB Charles Godfrey
6'1 210lbs
4.35-4.45

2006- 83 tackles, 5 PBU, 2 INT
2007- 51 tackles, 5 PBU, 4 INT


SS Kenny Phillips
6'2 210lbs
4.4-4.5

2005- 88 tackles, 4 PBU, 1 INT
2006- 71 tackles, 6 PBU, 4 INT
2007- 52 tackles, 3 PBU, 1 INT

foozball
11-02-2007, 04:09 PM
Fine value other positions over CB, but there is no need to bolster the argument with an inaccurate statement that no rookie would beat out Bennett.

fine. i take my statement back. now name one of the CB's you would take with the #9 pick (we are currently slated at the #9 spot). you're right. if we're gonna spend the #9 pick on a CB, he better be starting. but there arent any CB's worth a #9 pick. heck, most years a CB isn't worth a #9 pick anyways, but this class is very weak at the top of the class, similar to last year. now, it is deep, so we can pop one later, so why would you take a CB at #9 when the difference in talent between the 1st round and 3rd round is pretty much negligible. not to mention we have Fred Bennett, who has shown the ability to stick with receivers, which is the one thing that Faggins has shown he cannot do which leads to him getting beat constantly.

foozball
11-04-2007, 04:40 PM
godfrey had another interception and 5 more tackles...56 tackles, 5 int's, 5 PBU

foozball
11-04-2007, 05:13 PM
so freddy bennett is doing friggan awesome...who called that?

outofhnd
11-05-2007, 12:07 PM
Yea but we just lost Dunta for no telling how long.:( You always take a DB in the draft because of this very reason.. Looks like DBs may have to be taken high now.

Wildbill703
11-05-2007, 05:28 PM
I'd love to see Lance Briggs in a Texans uniform. I don't know what it would cost us however, there might be more economical choices to consider. My wife would be spun up for at least a year if we get him. She's a Bears fan all the way.

foozball
11-05-2007, 05:49 PM
itd be a longshot to get him since we still have greenwood under contract and he's one of the higher paid texans

willieg52
11-05-2007, 11:59 PM
The only players I would love to see through FA is (DE) J. Allen and (CB) A. Samuel. We should draft everything else like a LT, RB, FS, and a C.