DC-BORN AGAIN AND SPREAD'IN THE WORD

[tsip]

http://www.panthersfanz.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10748
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[ObsiWan]

Hey, he's happy that he's there.
We're happy he's someplace else.
Everybody wins.

[tsip]

Hey, he's happy that he's there.
We're happy he's someplace else.
Everybody wins.

True, but being a 'big time' Christian and all, I keep expecting David--in the 'true' Christian way, to say 1 nice thing about the Texans. I think most folks would...but he is gone!! PTL

[1337texansfan]

so does any watch extra point? there was a clip of carr being asked why he wears gloves.

he said he wears the gloves cause when he licks his fingertips andplaces them under the center. the area he touches is a hygenicnightmare.

seriously, has anyone ever thought about that before!!?? i mean comeon, the center is wearing pants. does this mean DC wear gloveswhen he uses the head? that had to be one the dumbest thing ihave ever heard carr say. i mean WOW.

[ObsiWan]

so does any watch extra point? there was a clip of carr being asked why he wears gloves.

he said he wears the gloves cause when he licks his fingertips and places them under the center. the area he touches is a hygenic nightmare.

seriously, has anyone ever thought about that before!!?? i mean come on, the center is wearing pants. does this mean DC wear gloves when he uses the head? that had to be one the dumbest thing i have ever heard carr say. i mean WOW.


ummm.... Carr didn't start wearing gloves until Kubiak got on him about his fumbling. He started wearing gloves - on one hand - because he thought that might help his grip.
Just to make sure my ancient brain cells weren't unusually faulty, I googled David Carr images. More non-glove picts than picts with him wearing gloves. And all the glove picts I could find are from the 2006 season.
Now I ain't sayin' DC-Born Again lied.....
I'll just say that maybe this "hygenic" thing is a recent "revelation" for him. Like "having fun" again.

[caddy]

Another good anti-Carr and anti- Christian post from tsip. I realize you're stalking him, but I hope your taking off on Sundays. Even stalkers have a day of rest.

[1337texansfan]

so does any watch extra point? there was a clip of carr being asked why he wears gloves.

hesaid he wears the gloves cause when he licks his fingertips and placesthem under the center. the area he touches is a hygenicnightmare.

seriously, has anyone ever thought about thatbefore!!?? i mean come on, the center is wearing pants. does thismean DC wear gloves when he uses the head? that had to be one thedumbest thing i have ever heard carr say. i mean WOW.


ummm.... Carr didn't start wearing gloves untilKubiak got on him about his fumbling. He started wearing gloves -on one hand - because he thought that might help his grip.
Just to make sure my ancient brain cells weren'tunusually faulty, I googled David Carr images. Morenon-glove picts than picts with him wearing gloves. And all theglove picts I could find are from the 2006 season.
Now I ain't sayin' DC-Born Again lied.....
I'll just say that maybe this "hygenic" thing is a recent "revelation" for him. Like "having fun" again.


regardless of why he started wearing them here. i was just sayingwhat came out of carr's mouth. it was on extra point when theysked him about the gloves. and that is what he said. [:|]

[Charlatan]

He was a devout Christian even at Fresno guys...this is nothing new and this is nothing to bash him about.

[tsip]

He was a devout Christian even at Fresno guys...this is nothing new and this is nothing to bash him about.

That's the whole point--Carr, as a Christian, should not be 'doggin' the Texans. He has not said 1 kind word about all the fan support he got or all McNair did for him, especially letting him go early/free. Instead, he has 'bashed' everything about the team every chance he's gotten. That's not the Christian way I was taught...devout?...when will he start acting like it?

[ObsiWan]

so does any watch extra point? there was a clip of carr being asked why he wears gloves.

he said he wears the gloves cause when he licks his fingertips and places them under the center. the area he touches is a hygenic nightmare.

seriously, has anyone ever thought about that before!!?? i mean come on, the center is wearing pants. does this mean DC wear gloves when he uses the head? that had to be one the dumbest thing i have ever heard carr say. i mean WOW.


ummm.... Carr didn't start wearing gloves until Kubiak got on him about his fumbling. He started wearing gloves - on one hand - because he thought that might help his grip.
Just to make sure my ancient brain cells weren't unusually faulty, I googled David Carr images. More non-glove picts than picts with him wearing gloves. And all the glove picts I could find are from the 2006 season.
Now I ain't sayin' DC-Born Again lied.....
I'll just say that maybe this "hygenic" thing is a recent "revelation" for him. Like "having fun" again.


regardless of why he started wearing them here. i was just saying what came out of carr's mouth. it was on extra point when they sked him about the gloves. and that is what he said. [:|]

Oh I don't doubt he said it. So it wasn't the accuracy of your post that I was questioning. It was his response. And I agree with you, I think that is one of the weirdest things I've ever heard a QB say. He's been playing QB for most of his life and NOW he needs gloves??
And I'm almost certain he started wearing them because THIS coaching staff suggested they might reduce his fumbling.
Its yet another way to slight Houston: He won't acknowledge that Kubiak actually gave him any sort of tip or lesson that helped improve his game.

[BIG ERN]

DC makes me want to puke!

[GP]

Another good anti-Carr and anti- Christian post from tsip. I realize you're stalking him, but I hope your taking off on Sundays. Even stalkers have a day of rest.
Ignored.

[GP]

He wore the gloves because he fumbled a lot, and it might help his grip. Now it's just become a part of him, and he's sure that it helps him.
You don't "not" wear gloves all your life and then suddenly decide or have the big revelation that your fingers are yucky all of a sudden.
He doesn't want to admit that the gloves are from fumbling, IMO. He's used to them now. He probably thinks they really do help him, but I think he's adopted this "yucky fingers" idea so that it helps his confidence. And theYucky Fingers theory can deflect any media attention that might be given toward his fumbling issue. I mean, the guy fumbled A LOT last season. No debating it, no need to try and spin it as if he didn't. Gave a TD to Oakland on one of them.
Let's understand that with David, there is always some other force at work that causes him to come up short--O line, the need for gloves, etc.
It's good that he has a Public Relations staff here on this board to make sure we know that we're always "hating" on him. It's never his fault, of course, for the things he says or does. Nope, there's always something else that caused him to come up short. And we're evil people for pointing out his inability to just say "I need to step it up...I need to prove the doubters wrong."

[texansfanatic73]

this article just proves that carr countiues to feel sorry for himself and only cares about himself. lots of other players get relesed but you dont hear eric moulds dissing us. i just think he is stuck up. and a bit selfish.

[tsip]

"the last 10 years"
...gotta love Carr's math- # of consequitive (sp) years starting at qb
2(FS) + 5(Texans)= 10
...probably just forgot he didn't play at all in '99 (red shirt year?) and before that had not started since high school

[Taylor]

I find a lot of what Carr says to be kind of ridiculous. Almost all of it is polarizing, and I am not exactly sure that it reflects what he truly thinks. I think he has learned to try and say all of the right things, but because he was so emphatic about everything being wonderful in Houston, he now has to separate himself from it by saying that it was terrible, and now everything is wonderful in Carolina.

I don't think that he's lying intentionally, I just think that he hasn't exactly understood what he thinks, so he polarizes his feelings to look better.

In terms of his faith, I find it curious how much he plays that faith card. It could just be that I doubt most anyone in the public eye who talks about their faith (particularly now that politicians seem to make that knowledge public at opportune times).

[tsip]

I find a lot of what Carr says to be kind of ridiculous. Almost all of it is polarizing, and I am not exactly sure that it reflects what he truly thinks. I think he has learned to try and say all of the right things, but because he was so emphatic about everything being wonderful in Houston, he now has to separate himself from it by saying that it was terrible, and now everything is wonderful in Carolina.

I don't think that he's lying intentionally, I just think that he hasn't exactly understood what he thinks, so he polarizes his feelings to look better.

In terms of his faith, I find it curious how much he plays that faith card. It could just be that I doubt most anyone in the public eye who talks about their faith (particularly now that politicians seem to make that knowledge public at opportune times).

Carr's problem is that his actions and dialogue do not even come close to that of someone who should be playing the religion 'card.' First, Carr is a 'major' me person. Second, he blames everyone around him for everything that doesn't work. Third, he never goes out of his way to thank anyone for anything they've done for him, especially if they're not around. In Carolina, he's shown 'no class' at all about his time in Houston and some things he's said are unbelievable--didn't feel like playing the last couple of years, dreaded going to work on Sundays,etc.
We all have issues with different things in our lives, but we learn to do deal with them w/o 'tearing' down everyone around us. Carr is fortunate that he has a pedestal to stand on and people who buy his 'BS' no matter what he does...

[Footballz]

http://www.panthersfanz.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10748
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Hey, I already saw that a while ago but thanks for posting the link. :)

[Footballz]

He was a devout Christian even at Fresno guys...this is nothing new and this is nothing to bash him about.


He takes his faith seriously. As a child he went to his grandfather's church. He was a pastor.

[Footballz]

Another good anti-Carr and anti- Christian post from tsip. I realize you're stalking him, but I hope your taking off on Sundays. Even stalkers have a day of rest.
Ignored.



Apparently not, if you're responding. [sn]
[:D]

[tsip]

http://www.panthersfanz.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10748
...can I have an AMEN?


Hey, I already saw that a while ago but thanks for posting the link. :)

yep, posted on the Panther board 6/3

[tsip]

He was a devout Christian even at Fresno guys...this is nothing new and this is nothing to bash him about.


He takes his faith seriously. As a child he went to his grandfather's church. He was a pastor.


...yea, we can tell, as his actions 'speak' loud and clear...where did he learn to be such a 'me' person?

[Nordic Vadar 1]

http://www.panthersfanz.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10748
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"spread'in" ... of course, sigh

[petedy]

What fan support or kind words did he recieve from this great fan base? Why would you expect him to say nice things about the Texans and their fan base when he was constantly ridiculed? That beer incident on his wife and kids didn't help matters anyway.All this is mute because he is not on your team anymore and you've got Matt Schaub. You don't need to keep bashing on David Carr any more and he doesn't need to say anthing about the Texans either.Ask yourselves this question, what berring does Carr's comments have on your team now? Nothing! It is all meaningless.Schaub has the whole NFL community behind him and they're singing praises on him more so than they are of Carr. I just saw the Texans mini camp on the NFL Network and they said some pretty nice things about your team and some not so nice things about Carr. Isn't this what you are looking for some redemption on getting rid of Carr?

[Footballz]

http://www.panthersfanz.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10748
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Hey, I already saw that a while ago but thanks for posting the link. :)

yep, posted on the Panther board 6/3


Yeah, that's where I saw it. You go there too?

[BACCARAT BRUSHES]

http://www.panthersfanz.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10748
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Hey, I already saw that a while ago but thanks for posting the link. :)

yep, posted on the Panther board 6/3


Yeah, that's where I saw it. You go there too?

Glad to hear that David is upbeat about new surroundings, new opportunity to learn and the change all around. I hope he does well and gets an opportunity to start at some point. Criticize him if you want, but the NFL would do well to have more of the character of David Carr and fewer of PacMan, Tank and Vick.

[Exithios]

http://www.panthersfanz.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10748
...can I have an AMEN?


Hey, I already saw that a while ago but thanks for posting the link. :)

yep, posted on the Panther board 6/3


Yeah, that's where I saw it. You go there too?

Glad to hear that David is upbeat about new surroundings, new opportunity to learn and the change all around. I hope he does well and gets an opportunity to start at some point. Criticize him if you want, but the NFL would do well to have more of the character of David Carr and fewer of PacMan, Tank and Vick.



I agree.
As seen in many of my previous posts I am not a fan of Carr's game nor his self-centered personality, but he is a high character guy that may see his time in the spotlight again soon. His move to Carolina was good for both organizations.
I do not take anything he says to the media directly involving his discontent with the Texans as a slap. He is a product and for him to market himself to the fans in Carolina he has to push the light away from his own mistakes and shed it to the things that were around him at the time. Put yourself in his shoes, so to speak.
I honestly wish him and his family the best but its long past time to move on with our future with our new franchise quarterback.
My $0.02

[Charlatan]

He was a devout Christian even at Fresno guys...this is nothing new and this is nothing to bash him about.

That's the whole point--Carr, as a Christian, should not be 'doggin' the Texans. He has not said 1 kind word about all the fan support he got or all McNair did for him, especially letting him go early/free. Instead, he has 'bashed' everything about the team every chance he's gotten. That's not the Christian way I was taught...devout?...when will he start acting like it?


Oh so I figure a little white lie would be nice eh?

Look, he sucked in Houston plan and simple but it wasnt exclusively his fault and hes not going to just say that he was horrible here. Be realistic, hes human and if you know humans they dont like to admit when they are wrong.

[tsip]

He was a devout Christian even at Fresno guys...this is nothing new and this is nothing to bash him about.

That's the whole point--Carr, as a Christian, should not be 'doggin' the Texans. He has not said 1 kind word about all the fan support he got or all McNair did for him, especially letting him go early/free. Instead, he has 'bashed' everything about the team every chance he's gotten. That's not the Christian way I was taught...devout?...when will he start acting like it?


Oh so I figure a little white lie would be nice eh?

Look, he sucked in Houston plan and simple but it wasnt exclusively his fault and hes not going to just say that he was horrible here. Be realistic, hes human and if you know humans they dont like to admit when they are wrong.

...go read any psych book you want or management 'writing' about screwing up, and the first think a person does when they are wrong is admit/learn what they did that was wrong'correct it and move on.
A person that won't admit they're wrong (like a recovering alcholic) is never going to correct their mistakes, especially when they can blame everyone around them it was 'their' fault.
It's all about respect and character. We all make mistakes and we are all wrong sometimes, no one is perfect. If the Texans were to get a 'problem' player, I'd much rather them come in and admit, 'hey,everybody, I screwed up. I let my team mates down, my fans...but I'm here to tell you that I'm gonna step up..."
That is almost a direct quote from some players like Dillon before he went to the Pats and got a couple SB rings. Did people think less of him for admiting he was wrong? No, they respected him and he lived up to his promise.
By blaming everyone else, Carr is setting himself up for a tough road ahead, as he won't be able to use the 'blame' card again. It's put up or shut up time.
Honestly, IMO, a lot of what happens to Carr this year will be based on his mindset. He got in the door in Carolina by blaming everything bad on everyone else and convincing all who would listen that his coaches sucked and his team mates were even worse. He was totally blameless for the mess in Houston. I personally wouldn't want a player like that on my team, but Fox and his bunch bought into it--now, it's showtime. David better reach deep down inside and find the desire to succeed, and his fans better raise their expectations from him---screw everything else--Carr better understand the 'free' ride is over. Good luck.

[caddy]

tsip... I think David understands his " free ride is over. " But you don't understand. 6.3 million in the next two years from the Panthers. Plus he drawing pay from the Texans this year & next year also. Now just try and understand David is going to be all right... not to worry over him so much.

[GP]

tsip... I think David understands his " free ride is over. " But you don't understand. 6.3 million in the next two years from the Panthers. Plus he drawing pay from the Texans this year & next year also. Now just try and understand David is going to be all right... not to worry over him so much.
I certainly don't worry about David Carr and all the free money he's getting.
He's gone and is no longer stinking up our team. Paying that sort of extortion to David Carr to get him out of Houston is OK with me. It's kind of like paying to have a boil or a wart lasered off of your rear...a little costly, but it gets rid of the daily irritation.
And I am sure that David needs the extra money to pay his Public Relations staff who hangs out here to remind all of us ignorant fans of how valuable he was to our team.
Nobody (NOBODY) wanted David Carr as a starter. Not a single team. Whether he was tainted goods or not, not a single team out of the other 31 teams wanted to risk David as their starter.
Keep chopping wood, caddy.

[BACCARAT BRUSHES]

He was a devout Christian even at Fresno guys...this is nothing new and this is nothing to bash him about.

That's the whole point--Carr, as a Christian, should not be 'doggin' the Texans. He has not said 1 kind word about all the fan support he got or all McNair did for him, especially letting him go early/free. Instead, he has 'bashed' everything about the team every chance he's gotten. That's not the Christian way I was taught...devout?...when will he start acting like it?


Oh so I figure a little white lie would be nice eh?

Look, he sucked in Houston plan and simple but it wasnt exclusively his fault and hes not going to just say that he was horrible here. Be realistic, hes human and if you know humans they dont like to admit when they are wrong.

...go read any psych book you want or management 'writing' about screwing up, and the first think a person does when they are wrong is admit/learn what they did that was wrong'correct it and move on.
A person that won't admit they're wrong (like a recovering alcholic) is never going to correct their mistakes, especially when they can blame everyone around them it was 'their' fault.
It's all about respect and character. We all make mistakes and we are all wrong sometimes, no one is perfect. If the Texans were to get a 'problem' player, I'd much rather them come in and admit, 'hey,everybody, I screwed up. I let my team mates down, my fans...but I'm here to tell you that I'm gonna step up..."
That is almost a direct quote from some players like Dillon before he went to the Pats and got a couple SB rings. Did people think less of him for admiting he was wrong? No, they respected him and he lived up to his promise.
By blaming everyone else, Carr is setting himself up for a tough road ahead, as he won't be able to use the 'blame' card again. It's put up or shut up time.
Honestly, IMO, a lot of what happens to Carr this year will be based on his mindset. He got in the door in Carolina by blaming everything bad on everyone else and convincing all who would listen that his coaches sucked and his team mates were even worse. He was totally blameless for the mess in Houston. I personally wouldn't want a player like that on my team, but Fox and his bunch bought into it--now, it's showtime. David better reach deep down inside and find the desire to succeed, and his fans better raise their expectations from him---screw everything else--Carr better understand the 'free' ride is over. Good luck.

David always took his share of the blame week after week on the radio, but sometimes there is a lot more to go around. Speaking of blame and excuses, I can't wait to see our O-line's excuses this year.

[tsip]

tsip... I think David understands his " free ride is over. " But you don't understand. 6.3 million in the next two years from the Panthers. Plus he drawing pay from the Texans this year & next year also. Now just try and understand David is going to be all right... not to worry over him so much.

http://www.battleredblog.com/story/2007/2/14/103346/707
Yea, he gets $2 million in both '07 and '08 from the Texans-aren't you getting excited that David is finally going to earn his pay?...no, Caddy, don't hold your breath...

[tsip]

"David always took his share of the blame week after week on the radio, but sometimes there is a lot more to go around. Speaking of blame and excuses, I can't wait to see our O-line's excuses this year. "
Maybe it's just me--sure you have the dates--but I can't remember exactly when it was that David said he hadn't felt like going to practice in 2 1/2 years or dreaded playing in the games on Sunday.
Being a class act and all and up standing individual, I'm sure he mentioned that to McNair BEFORE his $8 million bonus--right?...nottttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
And, that O Line you talk about cut its sacks by 1/3 last year and that resulted in WHAT from our qb??...2 yd passes to get his % up don't count--who can't throw a football that far?

[Footballz]

tsip... I think David understands his " free ride is over. " But you don't understand. 6.3 million in the next two years from the Panthers. Plus he drawing pay from the Texans this year & next year also. Now just try and understand David is going to be all right... not to worry over him so much.

http://www.battleredblog.com/story/2007/2/14/103346/707
Yea, he gets $2 million in both '07 and '08 from the Texans-aren't you getting excited that David is finally going to earn his pay?...no, Caddy, don't hold your breath...


I don't think Caddy is worried about David's pay but you seem fixated on it.

[Footballz]

He was a devout Christian even at Fresno guys...this is nothing new and this is nothing to bash him about.

That's the whole point--Carr, as a Christian, should not be 'doggin' the Texans. He has not said 1 kind word about all the fan support he got or all McNair did for him, especially letting him go early/free. Instead, he has 'bashed' everything about the team every chance he's gotten. That's not the Christian way I was taught...devout?...when will he start acting like it?


Oh so I figure a little white lie would be nice eh?

Look, he sucked in Houston plan and simple but it wasnt exclusively his fault and hes not going to just say that he was horrible here. Be realistic, hes human and if you know humans they dont like to admit when they are wrong.

...go read any psych book you want or management 'writing' about screwing up, and the first think a person does when they are wrong is admit/learn what they did that was wrong'correct it and move on.
A person that won't admit they're wrong (like a recovering alcholic) is never going to correct their mistakes, especially when they can blame everyone around them it was 'their' fault.
It's all about respect and character. We all make mistakes and we are all wrong sometimes, no one is perfect. If the Texans were to get a 'problem' player, I'd much rather them come in and admit, 'hey,everybody, I screwed up. I let my team mates down, my fans...but I'm here to tell you that I'm gonna step up..."
That is almost a direct quote from some players like Dillon before he went to the Pats and got a couple SB rings. Did people think less of him for admiting he was wrong? No, they respected him and he lived up to his promise.
By blaming everyone else, Carr is setting himself up for a tough road ahead, as he won't be able to use the 'blame' card again. It's put up or shut up time.
Honestly, IMO, a lot of what happens to Carr this year will be based on his mindset. He got in the door in Carolina by blaming everything bad on everyone else and convincing all who would listen that his coaches sucked and his team mates were even worse. He was totally blameless for the mess in Houston. I personally wouldn't want a player like that on my team, but Fox and his bunch bought into it--now, it's showtime. David better reach deep down inside and find the desire to succeed, and his fans better raise their expectations from him---screw everything else--Carr better understand the 'free' ride is over. Good luck.

David always took his share of the blame week after week on the radio, but sometimes there is a lot more to go around. Speaking of blame and excuses, I can't wait to see our O-line's excuses this year.


Ditto here.

[Footballz]

http://www.panthersfanz.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10748
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Hey, read this one.
http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Common%2FMGArticle%2FPrintVersi on&c=MGArticle&cid=1173351608644
It might get your panties in a bunch. [:D]

[ObsiWan]

http://www.panthersfanz.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10748
...can I have an AMEN?


Hey, read this one.
http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Common%2FMGArticle%2FPrintVersi on&c=MGArticle&cid=1173351608644
It might get your panties in a bunch. [:D]
Interesting read. Thanks, I enjoyed it.
I agree he's in a better place for him. He CAN "have fun" now because he's no longer "the man". He's not the "face of the franchise", he's the back-up. Everyone knows the backup is always the most popular guy in town when your team is "rebuilding". So the pressure on him has been lifted.
And he's said any number of times, "I'm the backup. I'm not after Jake's job. I'm his biggest fan and I'm going to do everything I can to help him succeed." [that means, as long as Jake succeeds, I keep getting paid 2-3 million a year to hold the clipboard... what's not to like?]
Like I said before:
He's happy where he is.
We're really happy he's not here. http://boards.buffalobills.com/emoticons/applaudit.gif

Everybody wins.
What's the problem?

[tsip]

OK, LET'S ALL DROP IT NOW--NO MORE CARR DISCUSSIONS...SEE WHO BLINKS FIRST

[BACCARAT BRUSHES]

http://www.panthersfanz.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10748
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Hey, read this one.
http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Common%2FMGArticle%2FPrintVersi on&c=MGArticle&cid=1173351608644
It might get your panties in a bunch. [:D]

Great to hear. Thanks for passing it on.