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TexansFan03

11-13-2007, 12:45 PM

outofhnd

11-13-2007, 12:54 PM

Our LT is reaching retirement age.. We may not be drafting one in the first round but I expect to possibly pursue Max Starks in FA as well as See if Spencer can go at LT. Denver never drafts a LT in Round 1.

infantrycak

11-13-2007, 01:01 PM

Salaam is in his 10th NFL year and has played the last 6 of those at left tackle--there ain't any coaching him up and he isn't the solution for next year except as a reserve.

aj.

11-13-2007, 01:02 PM

Our LT is struggling at points and having some mental problems but its his first NFL LT job and he will get better as he learns how to deal w/ each quality DE.

Salaam has been playing left tackle since 2002. He's 31 years old and near retirement. If he's any more than a swing tackle next year, the Texans OL is not as good as it could be. He's doing a good job all things considered but he's a temp fix.

I want to see LT and RB on Day 1, and CB, RB, C, and FS on Day 2.

spurstexanstros

11-13-2007, 01:04 PM

were drafting a lineman in the first round. Our LT is getting it done except for a mental mistakes that can be coached

Look for us to draft a FS as #1, and possibly RB #3 (or #2 if moved up), or vice versa if no good FS available.

Look to go possibly Center in the 4th and then either a back-up OT or OLB in the 5th

From there, BPA.

Our line is the same as last year but having way fewer sacks and with AJ out there healthy, teams will not be so blitz happy. Our LT is struggling at points and having some mental problems but its his first NFL LT job and he will get better as he learns how to deal w/ each quality DE.

Your right unless another Joe Thomas is available, or d-brick. Free agent o-lineman are even more difficult to find because once they have proven value they are kept by their team. I said in 2006 if they were not gonna draft reggie they should have traded down got D-brick and maybe still Mario if not him then another player on defense. Here is a question if you had the draft over again who would you have taken if you were at the top last year. Adrian Peterson ( who is better then bush) or Joe Thomas ( who is better than Vince, D-brick and Mario). You take the dominate LT every time. They are hard to find, where as skill players are a dime a dozen.

outofhnd

11-13-2007, 01:14 PM

Of course DBrick is having a not so good year in Jet land this year. No one wants the number 1 pick anymore. Every pick is so coveted now its impossible to make a deal. The only reason it was done in 2004 was because Eli was not going to play for the Chargers. So why pay a guy who wont sign a contract?

foozball

11-13-2007, 01:52 PM

just because we've given up less sacks this year doesnt mean the OLine has been doing great

outofhnd

11-13-2007, 02:01 PM

this isn't denver. this is houston.

the texans HAVE TO HAVE TO HAVE TO do something about the o'line. a lt and a c in the draft is a good start. unless they see something in one of the many practice squad/ir/backup guys (with all the options we have you would think one could be a starter) we have i have to believe it will be lt in the 1st. or trade down, which is more likely and will probably switch up how they pick...

I understand where you are coming from but the LTs in Denver have all been late round guys or undrafted guys with not much size but a lot of mobility to get out on the second level. However I like Max Starks for a guy his size he can really motor on run blocks.

To the poster that said Our line isnt great, I agree but whose is? Indianapolis stopped San Diego with practice squad guys so its not a matter of not having a bookend LT its about execution. With Andre Johnson back out there I look for our execution to be back on point. However its not our O line that gives up the 3rd and long pass play that results in opposing teams getting a first down.

Our offense needs to keep the defense off the field but our defense needs to get our offense on the field. Tony Hills is apparantly down with a leg injury so he could be a steal on day 2.

Towlie

11-13-2007, 03:53 PM

If demps plays like he did against the raiders... we have our FS. We could probably pick up a tail back or maybe a o line, not a necessarly a LT, but one O LIne (LT,LG,C)

TheLBCoach

11-13-2007, 07:13 PM

Salaam has been playing left tackle since 2002. He's 31 years old and near retirement. If he's any more than a swing tackle next year, the Texans OL is not as good as it could be. He's doing a good job all things considered but he's a temp fix.

I want to see LT and RB on Day 1, and CB, RB, C, and FS on Day 2.

I agree with taking a FS on Day 2. Will Demps can hold us over at the position very well for the next couple of seasons. Your 1st Round pick should address the position on your team that needs the "most immediate" help. For the Texans, that would be the LT position. We haven't had consistent play at the position since our inception. It's about time we get one and keep him healthy so he can solidify himself as our dominant LT. I'm tired, as many of you are, of playing musical LT season by season. It doesn't work that way.

TexansFan03

11-14-2007, 12:41 AM

I'm tired, as many of you are, of playing musical LT season by season. It doesn't work that way.

I'm not trying to argue or anything but what do you think we've been doing with FS? At least our OLine can protect Schaub when AJ is out there. and how are running game was when Echemandu and the healthy Green were in (can be improved but at least decent).

I think anyone that half way knows football would say our secondary is our weakest link. With Bennet rising up for a starting spot, a healthy (hopefully) Robinson coming back and a #1 FS pick (K Phill could fall), this could/would be the best option.

Then we could see about getting 3rd or 4th round Olinemen.

foozball

11-14-2007, 12:49 AM

why take a 3-4th OLineman when we can take a 3-4th FS in Charles Godfrey?

misterpc

11-14-2007, 12:55 AM

Salaam cannot be the starting left tackle next year if this team is going to be serious. Lets just get a LT with our first round pick so we can stop worrying about that position every year. Move Spencer to guard or let him compete as a backup. Center is also a position of need, but McKinney/White could be good enough for next year.

Defensive back is another big need for this team. We need to find a good safety, strong or free. Even though we have more SS on the roster, the position is just as weak as FS if not more so. If we used our first pick on a safety I wouldnt be angry but I still think we need a left tackle.

Running back is a big need, but it should be solved in some way other than using our no 1 draft pick.

outofhnd

11-14-2007, 10:25 AM

What makes you think a first round LT is going to solidify that position? WInston Justice was a first rounder in Philly, and Umenyora wore him out for 6 sacks. Ugoh a second rounder was doing great in Indy. You can possibly draft a walter Jones. but you can also get a tony mandarich. I personally want a presence in the back middle of our defense to put the cherry on top. I don't know how manytimes I have seen our CB release a WR to the safety only to not have a safety there. I want a first round safety I don't want some corner back we can make a safety. I want a playmaking top tier safety that from the moment he is drafted is noted. I want a top tier safety that is around the ball. Sean Taylor like.

B420tx

11-14-2007, 10:38 AM

Actually... wasn't Winston Justice a second rounder? I remember it because I called that draft "The Great Tackle Slide" when we were hoping to get Eric Winston with the 2nd round pick :)

outofhnd

11-14-2007, 10:41 AM

I thought Philly got him before it went to round 2?

well you can always use the Mike Williams, vs Jason Peters in buffalo.

willieg52

11-14-2007, 01:40 PM

Demps will probably best be served as a SS instead of a FS because of his ability to lackle. That would allow us to keep him on the field and get a stud FS like K. Phillips. Phillips and Demps sounds real good to my ear!

misterpc

11-14-2007, 01:40 PM

What makes you think a first round LT is going to solidify that position? WInston Justice was a first rounder in Philly, and Umenyora wore him out for 6 sacks. Ugoh a second rounder was doing great in Indy. You can possibly draft a walter Jones. but you can also get a tony mandarich.

true, but the same logic applies when picking a safety. You could get a dud in the first round or get an awesome player in the 3rd round, nothing is certain. This is where the concept of BPA comes into play. From what I have seen so far, this coming draft seems to be unusually deep at OT, which means there is a better chance of landing a great LT with our first round pick. But if there is a stud playmaking safety available and he is ranked higher than any OT on our board then Im fine with picking him because safety is a huge need. I hope that we can snag a safety with our 3rd round pick because this team badly needs a permanent anchor on the O-line.

misterpc

11-14-2007, 01:44 PM

I think strong safety is probably a bigger need than free safety. A good strong safety would solidify the pass defense and put an end to the long runs that our D gives up. Demps will be ok at FS, but I dont think he has ever played SS in the NFL.

outofhnd

11-14-2007, 02:20 PM

Also its worth noting that even in 2 drafts we havent picked on offensive player higher than round 3.

bsparks

11-14-2007, 02:21 PM

If somehow Kenny Philips drops to us, I want us to take him. Period.

motivationalSPKR

11-14-2007, 02:22 PM

were drafting a lineman in the first round. Our LT is getting it done except for a mental mistakes that can be coached

Look for us to draft a FS as #1, and possibly RB #3 (or #2 if moved up), or vice versa if no good FS available.

Look to go possibly Center in the 4th and then either a back-up OT or OLB in the 5th

From there, BPA.

Our line is the same as last year but having way fewer sacks and with AJ out there healthy, teams will not be so blitz happy. Our LT is struggling at points and having some mental problems but its his first NFL LT job and he will get better as he learns how to deal w/ each quality DE.

You are crazy if you think we are not have trouble at left tackle. Have you even been watching the games? Go back and watch film of the games and you will see that Salaam gets his ***** handed to him consistently. The only thing I can give to Salaam would be that he is consistent in his play. LOL!!!

misterpc

11-14-2007, 02:27 PM

If somehow Kenny Philips drops to us, I want us to take him. Period.

does he look to play SS or FS?

DeclanJr

11-14-2007, 02:53 PM

does he look to play SS or FS?

Where is Philips projected to be drafted? We might be in the running if this season doesn't turn around.

TexansFan03

11-15-2007, 12:44 AM

Where is Philips projected to be drafted? We might be in the running if this season doesn't turn around.

He is projected to go in the top 5, but I'm not sure even the top ten teams really need a safety over the other talent available.

willieg52

11-15-2007, 01:03 AM

He is projected to go in the top 5, but I'm not sure even the top ten teams really need a safety over the other talent available.

Actually every mock draft I've seen have Phillips somewhere in the 10-15 range. So there is a good chance that we might be in luck to land Phillips and if we do we could move Demps over to SS because he can tackle/hit.

willieg52

11-15-2007, 01:12 AM

foozball

11-15-2007, 01:42 AM

kenny is awesome against the run, he's good in coverage, but he's a much better run defender.

how big of a difference in impact would a Ryan Clady and Charles Godfrey combo be over a Kenny Phillips and Tony Hills? hmmm....

outofhnd

11-15-2007, 02:23 PM

But he is not a rookie. I would like to note the system does make an exception for Franchise QBs. You never pass on those if you have a chance at those. Cutler is proof of that in Denver. However Skill position guys they usually pick up a proven FA, or draft one late.

infantrycak

11-15-2007, 02:29 PM

However Skill position guys they usually pick up a proven FA, or draft one late.

2006 1st QB, 2nd TE
2004 2nd RB, 2nd WR
2003 1st OT
2002 1st WR, 2nd RB

Since 2002 they have had 12 picks in either the 1st or 2nd round--7 have gone on offensive players, 6 of them skill players. Not seeing the overwhelming trend you are.

outofhnd

11-15-2007, 03:20 PM

Who was the tackle? Lepsis is their left Tackle Still with 6th rounder Ryan Harris slated to be his Heir apparent before he was injured?

outofhnd

11-15-2007, 03:30 PM

2006 1st QB, 2nd TE
2004 2nd RB, 2nd WR
2003 1st OT
2002 1st WR, 2nd RB

Since 2002 they have had 12 picks in either the 1st or 2nd round--7 have gone on offensive players, 6 of them skill players. Not seeing the overwhelming trend you are.

in 2002 The WR was the wonderful Ashley Lelie and Portis (highest pick for a denver Running back in the shanahan era right after we snagged Gaffney)

Like I said Usually, I didnt say it was a iron clad lock that they dont.

They went out and got travis Henry, in FA, Traded for Javon Walker afrter Lelie was a bust. notice no first round franchise backs and how it was still a revolving door. The first round OT is not their LT. So my point is still just a tad bit valid not as valid as when I started. We still are not going RB nor LT in round 1 in my opinion. I think we go defensive backfield.

Also note that for the second time Detroit has gotten a disappointing Denver RB. Tatum Bell 07, Olandis Gary 04 I think it was.

infantrycak

11-15-2007, 04:52 PM

Who was the tackle?

George Foster who they traded to Detroit this offseason.

We still are not going RB nor LT in round 1 in my opinion.

How do you explain Kubiak trying to get a 1st round RB as one of his 1st moves with the Texans?