Owen Daniels Fumbles too Much

[Carlos]

I'm sick of heariing the team talk up Owen Daniels. The guy's hands aren't that good, he's not that good of a blocker and he fumbles too **** much.

[Otisbean]

He has nice hands, but his fumbling has been very problematic. If this were a RB he would be on the bench. I think we made need to see what old Jeb can do. If I were Kubes I would order Daniels to fall down when ever someone get near him ala Issac Bruce. He is killing me.

[htsone]

Gag inducing...

[misterpc]

your thread sucks

[Carlos]

your thread sucks

No, Daniels sucks and so do you if you think he's a good player.

[misterpc]

what sucks is so called fans who will bash a player the moment he makes a mistake. Daniels is a crucial part of this teams success and is the best TE the Texans have ever had. Recently he's had some costly fumbles. The one this game hurt us. The one last game was clearly a bad call by the refs, it was not a fumble. Carlos, it is in fact you who sucks, not Owen Daniels.

[htsone]

Did you see how Winslow held on to that pass after that hit? Had Daniels held onto that pass instead of pissin it away, this might be a different game. Woops another TD for the "mighty" Browns. Good job boys. On auto self destruct now.

[BIG ERN]

I'm sick of heariing the team talk up Owen Daniels. The guy's hands aren't that good, he's not that good of a blocker and he fumbles too **** much.

Terrible

[misterpc]

Did you see how Winslow held on to that pass after that hit? Had Daniels held onto that pass instead of pissin it away, this might be a different game.

yeah it might be a different game if Schaub didnt throw so many INTs, it might be a different game if AJ showed up to play, or if the calls had gone our way, or if any number of things happened differently. Quit being whiny brats and take the loss like men. If you guys want to be Texans fans you need to learn to lose gracefully. Otherwise go cheer for the Pats.

[Carlos]

This game presented a fine contrast between a truly great TE, Kellen Winslow, Jr., and an average/below average TE, Owen Daniels. One player showed the consistent ability to catch everything thrown his way and hang on to the ball no matter how hard he was hit, and the other didn't.

I LOL at the comment that Daniels is the best TE the Texans have ever had. Yes, that's true, but that's like being the highest skyscraper in Topeka. It's not like the bar has been set very high.

[outofhnd]

He has fumbled atleast 4 times this year. Panthers, Colts, Saints, And Browns He doesnt secure the football he deserves to be benched.

[GT]

I'm sick of heariing the team talk up Owen Daniels. The guy's hands aren't that good, he's not that good of a blocker and he fumbles too **** much.Where you been for the past few weeks. I have been missing your wonderful insights glad to have you back. NOT.:p

[htsone]

Man that Daniels guy is GOOD!

[Newfan2006]

TD for OD!

[TexasToro]

Owen Daniels has talent, but he needs to concentrate more than he is. He has been dropping balls way too much lately.

[outofhnd]

[QUOTE=misterpc;70034]get a hold of yourself man. Owen Daniels is not what is wrong with this team. And he did not fumble against the Saints his knee was CLEARLY down.

I don't care about the missed call it still cost the team! How many times is he gonna put the ball on the ground? He should know better and secure the football. You should know even if its a bad call it still left his hand before the whistle blew!!!!!! Why is he not securing the football after fumbling it more than a couple of times this season? :mad:

[Grid]

I'm sick of heariing the team talk up Owen Daniels. The guy's hands aren't that good, he's not that good of a blocker and he fumbles too **** much.


actually..scratch that.. im just not going to reply to this stupidity.

[Otisbean]

Owens has ability he just needs to secure the ball or fall down before getting hit. He has skills but we cannot keep turning the ball over. Hoepfully he'll get it figured out.

[spurstexanstros]

Relax guys, he made a big mistake. He is young but he will get better. I think he does need to spray stickem on the gloves

[DeclanJr]

The guy has good hands, but he needs to secure the ball. That is something that can be fixed. His fumble was costly today, but this is still a young team and I feel like the Texans are still getting better each week.

[GT]

Unfortinatly OD has had some bad breaks & I don't mean his nose. Last week he was a hero for the lick that broke his nose & this week people want to make him their scape goat, please people chit happens.

[outofhnd]

Unfortinatly OD has had some bad breaks & I don't mean his nose. Last week he was a hero for the lick that broke his nose & this week people want to make him their scape goat, please people chit happens.

It happens but he has to make an effort to stop doing it. Today he did not and I don't know how many times he can make the catch then drop the ball before you sit him and make him think why he is on the bench.

[NRowl]

Turnovers have been a team issue which tells me that this is a coaching problem. There is not enough emphasis on the details in practice.

[trutexan02]

I gotta say Owen had a horrible day. He, in my mind, was the difference. He thought of running before catching inside the 5. He dropped the fumble with minimal contact. I wasn't really too upset about his play today even with his miscues, until he scored that late touchdown. Frankly, he was the only texan not to have a sub par day this season. Then he got cocky and a little too flambouyant (Spelling?). I wanted to reach out, slap him, and point at the stat line next to his name and ask which was more of a impact to our team's success today. That 6 points or the possible 28 point turnaround triggered by his lack of hands and grip.

<<Shakes his head is disappointment.

That being said I know he's better then he was today. He still has my support as the #1 TE in my town.

[GT]

It happens but he has to make an effort to stop doing it. Today he did not and I don't know how many times he can make the catch then drop the ball before you sit him and make him think why he is on the bench.I agree he needs to improve on ball handling, last play he tried to make something happen instead of just going down. His problems are cureable & I feel the coaches will address this.

[HomeGrownTexan]

This is a dumb thread. Owen Daniels does not "suck".

He's a second year player who is turning into the steal from the draft in the 4th round......he's one of the brightest young TE's in the game.......he just needs to stop dropping the ball and guess what guys........that can be fixed.

This is a young team that just needs to grow up, the talent is there, they just need a couple of more peices (like a young stud RB, a ball hawking safety, and some more lineman)

This will be a playoff team next year. (and I know y'all are tired of hearing "next year" and so am I, but it's the truth)

[GT]

This is a dumb thread. Owen Daniels does not "suck".

He's a second year player who is turning into the steal from the draft in the 4th round......he's one of the brightest young TE's in the game.......he just needs to stop dropping the ball and guess what guys........that can be fixed.

This is a young team that just needs to grow up, the talent is there, they just need a couple of more peices (like a young stud RB, a ball hawking safety, and some more lineman)

This will be a playoff team next year. (and I know y'all are tired of hearing "next year" and so and I, but it's the truth)Well said.

[Footballz]

actually..scratch that.. im just not going to reply to this stupidity.


Thank you. Maybe it will go away.

[paco123]

Gosh this is a terrible thread. Htstone, why have you not left yet? I remember this troll back in week 6. If you don't like our team please feel free to leave or voice your oppinion in a factual arguement. The only thing your proving is the fact that nobody likes you on this board.

So I guess my question is why keep coming back?

[bigcarlos]

Bad game for him, but hope this problem can be solved

[Footballz]

Gosh this is a terrible thread. Htstone, why have you not left yet? I remember this troll back in week 6. If you don't like our team please feel free to leave or voice your oppinion in a factual arguement. The only thing your proving is the fact that nobody likes you on this board.

So I guess my question is why keep coming back?


It thrives on negative attention.

[Meco'stime]

fumbles can be corrected he has great hands and finds the holes.. let me guess miller was better right

[Texicano]

I'm sick of heariing the team talk up Owen Daniels. The guy's hands aren't that good, he's not that good of a blocker and he fumbles too **** much.

I agree. Daniels will never amount to a hill of beans. If he played for any other team in the league he wouldn't be getting near as much playing time, but since we don't have any talent we have no choice but to put junk on the field. It really, really shows in our 5-6 record. :p

[GT]

I agree. Daniels will never amount to a hill of beans. If he played for any other team in the league he wouldn't be getting near as much playing time, but since we don't have any talent we have no choice but to put junk on the field. It really, really shows in our 5-6 record. :pHow are the poke boards surviving without your wisdom? Shouldn't you go post something over there?

[leaguecitytexan]

I am ready for Kubiak to treat Owens Daniels like every other player that fumbles the ball. Show him the bench. We have other capable tight ends that have not gotten the playing time. Treat all players equal. Touch downs in garbage time mean nothing to me.

[TEXANottoMAN]

Did you see how Winslow held on to that pass after that hit? Had Daniels held onto that pass instead of pissin it away, this might be a different game. Woops another TD for the "mighty" Browns. Good job boys. On auto self destruct now.

When we win, the boards are quiet.When we loose, look what happens.

[Footballz]

When we win, the boards are quiet.When we loose, look what happens.


The trolls come out from under the bridge.

[HydrOshocK]

I agree. Daniels will never amount to a hill of beans. If he played for any other team in the league he wouldn't be getting near as much playing time, but since we don't have any talent we have no choice but to put junk on the field. It really, really shows in our 5-6 record. :p

Can we bring back the talking out of your *** commercials? You've got to be kidding me with some of these replies. Daniels will never amount to a hill of beans...are you serious?? Some of you guys really need to take a Football For Dummies class or something before you post. :rolleyes:

[HydrOshocK]

When we win, the boards are quiet.When we loose, look what happens.

Pretty disappointing isn't it? Most of these guys had ZERO to say during our 2 game win streak, even though we were 5-5 for the first time in team history....not a word. As a matter of fact, it was the quietest two weeks on this message board in a long time. Go figure

[TEXANottoMAN]

OD

Rec 7
yds 82
YPC 11.7
TD 1

Granted he had a critical fumble and I think he dropped 2, those #'s are respectable.

[wildroot]

I think OD is one of the bright spots on this team. He dropped 2 today, but the one he got his bell rung on, it didn't even look like he got his hands around it when he got waxed. ODs done alot more good for this team than bad.
And...he's been talked up lately in the media as one of the better TEs in the league.

[GT]

Pretty disappointing isn't it? Most of these guys had ZERO to say during our 2 game win streak, even though we were 5-5 for the first time in team history....not a word. As a matter of fact, it was the quietest two weeks on this message board in a long time. Go figureTalk about quiet, thought I was going to have to start posting to myself. Let me just say thx to all the haters for giving me something to do today.:D

[TEXANottoMAN]

I think OD is one of the bright spots on this team. He dropped 2 today, but the one he got his bell rung on, it didn't even look like he got his hands around it when he got waxed. ODs done alot more good for this team than bad.
And...he's been talked up lately in the media as one of the better TEs in the league.

I forgot about that play. WHAT A HIT he got up from. That was a man sized hit.

[TEXANottoMAN]

Talk about quiet, thought I was going to have to start posting to myself. Let me just say thx to all the haters for giving me something to do today.:D

lol - I will defend my team - win, lose or draw

[HydrOshocK]

I think OD is one of the bright spots on this team. He dropped 2 today, but the one he got his bell rung on, it didn't even look like he got his hands around it when he got waxed. ODs done alot more good for this team than bad.
And...he's been talked up lately in the media as one of the better TEs in the league.

I agree. He's definitely got to fix his fumblitis but Daniels is quickly becoming one of the best receiving TEs in the league. Some of the catches he makes in traffic are impressive and the guy has taken a major beating over the middle this season. When we've needed a reliable target on 3rd and long he has come through more times than not.

However, he did get blown up on a play where he was pass blocking for Schaub. He attacked the DE up high and got mowed over pretty bad. :o

[El Tejano]

I'm not bashing Owen Daniels. I believe he is the future for this team and will have a great career with us. The things he has done in his young career have been fabulous. That being said now would be the time to bench him. Not not play him, just give up his starting J. At least for a week. Now hear me out.

Kubiak stated that his coaching staff will be based on accountability. Well when a guy fumbles 3 games in a row (I believe it is that many), and you play him, you are not holding him accountable. The move to send him riding some pine sends a message to everyone because he is a play making starter. I guess who I am really getting after is Kubiak.

[motivationalSPKR]

If he had just fumbled a few times here and there, I wouldn't complain. But this is becoming habitual, and it is killing drives that are game-changers.

Any thoughts from anyone?

[El Tejano]

Yeah I think a week off would help him. We have to remember he is still a young TE that is really good. A move like this would maybe help him figure out what he is doing wrong and would set the message straight with everyone else. TOs are a discipline thing and I don't think we get it.

BTW can we please stop throwing him passes that are only going to get him jacked up by the defender he never sees? This too is the cause for many of his fumbles.

[LORK 88]

No, Daniels sucks and so do you if you think he's a good player.
He's 5th in the NFL for Tight Ends in receiving yards and receptions. He's ahead of guys like Shockey, Cooley, and Clark. Feel free to say that he needs to stop fumbling, but to say he sucks is idiotic.

[Darkninja]

I think Owen Daniels is good....he just needs to leave the vaseline alone for awhile.

[moses77550]

I'm sick of heariing the team talk up Owen Daniels. The guy's hands aren't that good, he's not that good of a blocker and he fumbles too **** much.

I agree that he fumbles too much but he is very talented and will be a force in this league. Yesterday he just did not protect the football when he started to run. Rookie mistake made by a second year player.

[TEXANottoMAN]

I looked back and he had 1 fumble yesterday (not at the best time). Everyone sounds like he fumbled 6 times and dropped 32 balls. He had a bad game. Cut him some slack.

[outofhnd]

I cut him some slack when that happened in week 2 against carolina, I lost my patience when I see the same fundamental error happening over and over again I am counting 4-5 games. not counting the games where he fumbled and recovered it.

[TEXANottoMAN]

OD fumbled 4 times this season (lost 3).

It just so happens he lost 1 fumble in each of the last 3 games.

I dont think we should abandon him. He is good. He needs to correct his ball handling.

[TEXANottoMAN]

we got plenty of those kind of coaches around here :)

Isn't it obvious. It doesn't take a coach to see that.

[Doug]

I don't share the feelings of some on this thread that say OD sucks...However I have noticed in the last few games my stomach gets knotted up when I see him getting the ball because now there is doubt as to what will happen next once the ball is in his hands. That doubt was never there before but him putting the ball on the ground is becoming a bit too consistant.

On the other side of things I believe he is a threat every time he gets on that field. Every second year player has somewhat of a sophomore slump. Why should OD be any different? As many have mentioned before, it can be fixed. The guy is awesome and just needs to get himself straightened out and fix whatever funk he is in.

[Cheroqui]

I'm just happy to have a TE we can go to. I can remember when I used to beg for just 1 of our "4" TE's to get the ball. Longing for plays to get called to go to Billy Miller, and wonder why it stopped after we scored a TD with him. We were always in some predictable and ineffective I-Form 2 wide or Single Back and pretty much never used our TE, but try to force everything to Andre. Now we have what? 5 people to throw to plus a TE?... We sould have little problems other than a punishing running game, well at least one that will stick for 3-4 quarters.

[Sportswriter79]

I think that our receivers are the strength of the team, and that OD is critical part of it. He always plays at 100%.

[TEXANottoMAN]

it doesn't take a coach to see what?

ball handling? i meant like...handling your ball...s....

I'm too slow on a Monday. I get it now. lol

[ib4texans]

This thread is utter stupidity, OD has had a few fumbles and yes it gets me frustrated. Saying that he "sucks" and won't amount to a "hill of beans" is moronic. You want to compare him to K2 who is arguably #2 TE in the league behind Antonio Gaits. Gaits,Winslow,Gonzalez,Witten have more TD's and yardage. Owen is producing better than Heath Miller, Cooley,Clark,Shockey and Vernon Davis, to name a few. You will gladly compare him to K2 but I bet you can't name the Saints, and Raiders TE without looking them up.

Grow up! Quit looking for someone to blame,sometimes you lose. Have a little loyalty.

[theyoungNwild]

I'm sick of heariing the team talk up Owen Daniels. The guy's hands aren't that good, he's not that good of a blocker and he fumbles too **** much.



Aight cutie....I'll assume you were completely wasted when you said we should get rid of the ...tr...trash...named Owen Daniels.

(ooh I just can't his name and trash together...)


Anyways. He has lost 3 outta 4 fumbles, and as some people eluded to in your current thread, 1 or 2 of which were blown calls by the ref.

Let me remind you one thing, this is second year in the league and 1st year as a PRIMARY target in our offensive scheme. Over the years many other guys have had really bad years (as far as fumbles go)


Tony Gonzalez in his second year
Yr Receptions Yards TD's Fumbles and Lost
1998 59 621 2 3 1

Jeremy Shockey in his first year

2002 74 895 2 3 2


Daniels hands are just fine, as he has

2007 51 624 1 4 3



So baisically, with your mentality Gonzalez should've been dumped by the Chiefs after that year and same with Shockey.

The only thing Daniels needs to do is learn to cradle the ball......so next time you start running your mouth....do some research.....ok pumpkin :D

[GT]

Just as I figured the poster who started this thread has not returned. This is getting old. Please defend your comments or don't comment at all.:(

[TEXANottoMAN]

Just as I figured the poster who started this thread has not returned. This is getting old. Please defend your comments or don't comment at all.:(

Trolls never do. :rolleyes:

[westtexastexan]

TYNR,
good post on the stats. What nobody seems to mention is the fact that with our 4 quality WR's that OD seems to get alot of balls thrown to him. Fact of the matter is : HE GETS OPEN....and CATCHES THE BALL. So his biggest faults are that he chooses to fight for extra yards, and after 65 touches, has put 4 on the carpet, of which at least 2 were questionable. Wow, what was the coaching staff thinking, they should have cut him in TC.

Last years' posts were about lack of heart, giving up (as well as the usual get rid of DC and we need a new RB posts). So we have a player with guts and alot of heart, and a desire to will to win, and we think he's trash.

Also, lest we forget, OD is playing for the league minimum for a second year player. I think we are getting excellent return for our investment.

[Carlos]

Just as I figured the poster who started this thread has not returned. This is getting old. Please defend your comments or don't comment at all.:(

LOL, I already defended it - please see above. Owen's fumbling is hurting the team and he needs to stop doing it. No matter what other good things he may do, if he is a regular fumbler, it doesn't matter. Bill Parcells has made the comment that no player, no matter how good he is, is worth fumbles. The particular example he used was, "Gale Sayers is not worth fumbles." Hopefully, Owen will be a Hall of Fame caliber player someday, but he's not there just yet.

Right now, the Texans are DEAD LAST in the league in turnovers. Until they stop turning the dang ball over, they are not going to take the next step toward being a team that can compete for a playoff spot, much less contend for a championship. I am long past being satisfied with moral victories and near-.500 seasons. It's time for the team to win.

[GT]

LOL, I already defended it - please see above. Owen's fumbling is hurting the team and he needs to stop doing it. No matter what other good things he may do, if he is a regular fumbler, it doesn't matter. Bill Parcells has made the comment that no player, no matter how good he is, is worth fumbles. The particular example he used was, "Gale Sayers is not worth fumbles." Hopefully, Owen will be a Hall of Fame caliber player someday, but he's not there just yet.

Right now, the Texans are DEAD LAST in the league in turnovers. Until they stop turning the dang ball over, they are not going to take the next step toward being a team that can compete for a playoff spot, much less contend for a championship.Thank you for returning, if you would have stated as much earlier I would not had a problem with this thread. This was a much better statement than the original. Hats off to you.;)

[spurstexanstros]

LOL, I already defended it - please see above. Owen's fumbling is hurting the team and he needs to stop doing it. No matter what other good things he may do, if he is a regular fumbler, it doesn't matter. Bill Parcells has made the comment that no player, no matter how good he is, is worth fumbles. The particular example he used was, "Gale Sayers is not worth fumbles." Hopefully, Owen will be a Hall of Fame caliber player someday, but he's not there just yet.

Right now, the Texans are DEAD LAST in the league in turnovers. Until they stop turning the dang ball over, they are not going to take the next step toward being a team that can compete for a playoff spot, much less contend for a championship. I am long past being satisfied with moral victories and near-.500 seasons. It's time for the team to win.

Turnovers and refs not seeing that the guy was 3 yards passed line of scimmage, If that was the Texans QB they would have called it plus called intentional grounding....Hey we saw it happen last year.. Refs aside your right too many mistakes and missed opportunities. 3 games we should have won but the old Texans showed up. (ATL Ten, Cle). Ok enough off this moping time to go drink some koolaid.(it gives me amnesia)

[GT]

Daniels biggest problem as I stated earlier is effort. Sometimes to much effort, the man should learn when you need to pick up the extra yardage & when you all ready have the yardage. His fumbles have come at odd times, usually playing from behind. Just my opinion.

[misterpc]

Ok Im back, fresh off a banning. I may have gotten a little out of line earlier but will I stand by the comments I made, even the deleted ones. Now that the title of this thread has been changed to something a little less inflammatory, I will try to be more civil with my tone.

re ODs fumblitis: Sure, we would all like if he wouldnt fumble anymore. Im sure the coaches and OD will work very closely on improving his ball security. One thing I have noticed is that OD takes more physical punishment than any other player on the Texans team, including the runningbacks. He is taking incredibly hard hits every week, and I do believe this is connected to his recent fumbles. Not making excuses for him, but I want to point something out

I gotta say Owen had a horrible day. He, in my mind, was the difference.

We have many people saying OD was awful in this game, and calling for him to be benched because of one or two plays, ignoring the fact that he works harder than anyone else on the field. OD had one fumble and also failed to secure an important pass after taking a big hit. Still, Owen Daniels was the Texans leading reciever in the Browns game. He was the single biggest threat in the passing game, catching more passes than any other player on the Texans team, including the wide recievers. He had more recieving yards than any player on the Texans team, including the wide recievers. One of his receptions went for a touchdown. And you think Owen Daniels is the reason we lost this game? How about Andre Johnson? He was MIA. Need I remind you of the Texans record without Andre Johnson? Lets get some perspective here.

Owen Daniels
7 catches, 82 yards, TD

Kevin Walter
6 catches, 65 yards, TD

Andre Davis
3 catches, 51 yards

Andre Johnson
3 catches, 37 yards

OD deserves the respect of every Texans fan, period. Should he work on securing the ball? Yes. Does he suck? Hell no.

[GT]

Well spoken mr. pc. Sorry about the ban, I can relate to your reactions. As stated above if people would post their perspectives in a meaningful sentence instead of the THAY SUX perspective they might gain some respect.

[GT]

Hey are you on message board probation?:DIf he is he better quit hanging with us message felons, could provoke his probation.:eek:

[misterpc]

ha i dont know if im on probation or not, lets hope the Texans win so I dont have to find out. Im not very good at dealing with threads like "Owen Dainels Sucks". He is of our best players. I really do think somebody gets a highlite reel hit on Owen every single game though. Heavy blows like that would probably effect any mans grip a little bit, but OD is tough as hell so I believe he can and will do a better job holding on to the ball. The truth is the Texans lost to the Browns because the O was too weak. Whether it was a 3 and out, a fumble, or an INT we just couldnt get it done on offense. Even with AJ healthy and Dayne avg nearly 5 yard per carry, the execution was not sharp enough.

[HuttoKarl]

yeah it might be a different game if Schaub didnt throw so many INTs, it might be a different game if AJ showed up to play, or if the calls had gone our way, or if any number of things happened differently. Quit being whiny brats and take the loss like men. If you guys want to be Texans fans you need to learn to lose gracefully. Otherwise go cheer for the Pats.

Man...where's that positive rep button when I need it?

[South Texan]

I have to wonder if OD is having a similar problem to one Mario had early in the year.... thinking. He may just be so worried about fumbling in key situations that he does. Bottom line... coachable.
If it were a lack of talent I would be worried, but I think it is something he can and will work through and could well be a Probowl nominee this time next year.

[HydrOshocK]

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=3970

(on what the turnover problem has been like for him personally) “I’ve never been a guy, since I’ve played football, that has fumbled the ball. I’ve played all different sorts of positions, quarterback, had the ball enough in my hands at Wisconsin playing tight end, and last year I don’t think I turned the ball over at all or put it on the ground at all, either. So I guess maybe I’ve had a little bit of bad luck – I guess in that New Orleans game I kind of got knocked out and didn’t really have any control of what I was doing. Trying to hold onto the ball, I guess, but I just need to just pay better attention, really, because I don’t want to get that label as a guy who can’t protect the football. I don’t want to get that label from guys around the league, because they’re just going to keep trying to get it out even more if I’m a guy who’s putting it on the ground. I made some mistakes by doing that, but I’m definitely going to clean it up and you won’t see me put it on the ground any more this year, I guarantee that.”

(on if that is an official guarantee) “Yes, I’m not putting the ball on the ground any more. I’m not. I’m telling you. I’ve been trying to work on getting more yards after the catch; I think I’ve doing a little better job of that this year than I did last year, but putting the ball on the ground shouldn’t be a result of trying to get more yards.”

[El Tejano]

Ownership. Thank you. What took so long though?

[Rosstafarian]

Well, he does fumble too much, because one fumble is one too many. But he is too valuable as a midfield threat to get the ball to the redzone to just bench him.

God, I wish he could block better. Seeing Jackson just put him on his butt was disheartening :(

[BIG ERN]

terrible thread

[Rosstafarian]

terrible thread

Thanks, that added so much to the discussion. :rolleyes:

[BIG ERN]

Thanks, that added so much to the discussion. :rolleyes:

Your comment was great as well

[ib4texans]

Kubiak benches guys that are on the boarder of being at the #3 spot and practice squad for fumbling. The only other starter he has benched was Carr. Schaub has quite a few fumbles for the year and I don't see you screaming to have him benched Carlos, because he shouldn't be. You get hit hard and sometimes the ball is hit head on with the defensive players helmet, you can't hold onto that.

Oh bye the way, I forgot Cooke was benched because a better fullback came to play. That is certainly not the case with OD because we don't have a better TE on the team.

[El Tejano]

My case is that it is not just him and his fumbles. The comment made by Kubiak when he took over this franchise was the we needed to hold ourselves accountable for mistakes made. This is that situation. I wouldn't mind it if he benched Schaub for that. If you want your message of accountability to come across, then take the actions necessary. I bet we wouldn't see much carlesness with the ball after that.

[BIG ERN]

My case is that it is not just him and his fumbles. The comment made by Kubiak when he took over this franchise was the we needed to hold ourselves accountable for mistakes made. This is that situation. I wouldn't mind it if he benched Schaub for that. If you want your message of accountability to come across, then take the actions necessary. I bet we wouldn't see much carlesness with the ball after that.

Both fumbles were questionable but the second one was a fumble.

[misterpc]

My case is that it is not just him and his fumbles. The comment made by Kubiak when he took over this franchise was the we needed to hold ourselves accountable for mistakes made. This is that situation. I wouldn't mind it if he benched Schaub for that. If you want your message of accountability to come across, then take the actions necessary. I bet we wouldn't see much carlesness with the ball after that.

I think you are way off. Its clear OD takes his responsibility very seriously and is taking steps to correct his recent fumbling problem. If you think he was fumbling the ball because he thought "Kubiak wont bench me, its ok I can fumble" then you crazy. Nobody is going to be out on the field like "should i fumble? Wait... Kubiak might bench me, ok I wont fumble".

[El Tejano]

I'm not talking about the fumbles. I am talking about the coach. He stated we become good by teaching everyone to be accountable. Owens has been getting drilled on alot of thos fumbles but Kubiak still didn't do anything. I'm not saying don't ever play him again. Obviously Daniels is our best TE. I am saying that when a guy is struggling sit him down a while to get the message about holding on the ball down.

[misterpc]

I'm not talking about the fumbles. I am talking about the coach. He stated we become good by teaching everyone to be accountable. Owens has been getting drilled on alot of thos fumbles but Kubiak still didn't do anything. I'm not saying don't ever play him again. Obviously Daniels is our best TE. I am saying that when a guy is struggling sit him down a while to get the message about holding on the ball down.

what message would that send? Do really you think that OD doesnt know he is supposed to hold onto the ball? Teaching everyone to be accountable doesnt mean that you sit them on the bench whenever they make mistakes. Schaub threw 2 picks? Bench him. DeMeco missed a tackle? Bench him. Its a dumb idea.

[El Tejano]

I'm not saying don't play him. Don't start him. Demeco missing a tackle is not as much as a turnover and it is a pretty rare thing at that. What message would that send? I know if I'm playing and I see that coach removed someones starting J because of a turnover well I better take care of my business also. It's not just a message to Daniels but the entire team. It is about addressing a team need.

[Carlos]

Kubiak benches guys that are on the boarder of being at the #3 spot and practice squad for fumbling. The only other starter he has benched was Carr. Schaub has quite a few fumbles for the year and I don't see you screaming to have him benched Carlos, because he shouldn't be. You get hit hard and sometimes the ball is hit head on with the defensive players helmet, you can't hold onto that.

I don't view Schaub and Daniels the same way. Schaub has lost some fumbles, but I cut him more slack because it's a lot harder to hold onto the ball when you're blindsided in the pocket after the protection has broken down. There was also one play earlier in the year where Schaub was sacked hard from behind, but still held onto the ball even though he was holding it with only one hand. I was amazed he was able to do that.

I cut Daniels some slack for losing the ball on the play when he was knocked out, but the fumble he lost against the Browns was inexcusable. He was running in the open field and wasn't hit hard. If that had been his only fumble all year, I wouldn't have complained, but that was his fourth fumble. Walter has one more catch than Daniels, but hasn't fumbled once all year. Walter has also taken more than his share of hard shots catching passes over the middle.

I appreciated Daniels' comments about this and his promise not to fumble anymore. I don't expect perfection, but one fumble every 13 catches is totally unacceptable and hurts the team. Daniels does have some talent, and I would prefer that he play instead of the other TE's. However, if he doesn't stop fumbling, I'd rather play another TE who's 80% as good as Daniels but doesn't fumble.

[Carlos]

what message would that send? Do really you think that OD doesnt know he is supposed to hold onto the ball? Teaching everyone to be accountable doesnt mean that you sit them on the bench whenever they make mistakes. Schaub threw 2 picks? Bench him. DeMeco missed a tackle? Bench him. Its a dumb idea.

Utlimately, it comes down to performance. You don't sit a player after one mistake, but if a player consistently turns the ball over too much, it's better to play a less-talented player who hangs onto the ball. I hope Daniels can overcome this. It sounds like he's going to make hanging onto the ball a priority, we'll see how it works out.

[GT]

I cut Daniels some slack for losing the ball on the play when he was knocked out, but the fumble he lost against the Browns was inexcusable. He was running in the open field and wasn't hit hard. If that had been his only fumble all year, I wouldn't have complained, but that was his fourth fumble. Walter has one more catch than Daniels, but hasn't fumbled once all year. Walter has also taken more than his share of hard shots catching passes over the middle

On the fumble you are referring to, it was not a hit that caused the fumble. A player caught Owens from behind swiping at his arm which seperated his arm from his body. At this time Owens had the ball cradle between his arm & body, Owens was preparing for a frontal attack but instead got caught from behind.

I watched this play several times to see why this occurred, still unexcusable but not totally his fault.

[wildroot]

I don't view Schaub and Daniels the same way. Schaub has lost some fumbles, but I cut him more slack because it's a lot harder to hold onto the ball when you're blindsided in the pocket after the protection has broken down. There was also one play earlier in the year where Schaub was sacked hard from behind, but still held onto the ball even though he was holding it with only one hand. I was amazed he was able to do that.

Schaub also has more touches, he touches the ball every play so it reasons that he has more opportunities to lose the ball whether it be via fumble or interception.

[wildroot]

On the fumble you are referring to, it was not a hit that caused the fumble. A player caught Owens from behind swiping at his arm which seperated his arm from his body. At this time Owens had the ball cradle between his arm & body, Owens was preparing for a frontal attack but instead got caught from behind.

I watched this play several times to see why this occurred, still unexcusable but not totally his fault.

I'm sure OD is aware that the defenders take swings at the ball on a regular basis. Defenses practice knocking the ball out so this should not be news to him. Recievers are trained to hold the ball tight against their body as well.

He needs to hang on to the ball. But, you know, shat happens.

[GT]

I'm sure OD is aware that the defenders take swings at the ball on a regular basis. Defenses practice knocking the ball out so this should not be news to him. Recievers are trained to hold the ball tight against their body as well.

He needs to hang on to the ball. But, you know, shat happens.Like I said not an excuse. Stick em from elbow down.:D

[wildroot]

Whatever it takes.

Recievers can't relax out there after the ball is caught. They've gotta know that once they make the catch, everyones going to be gunning to knock it out.

I understand when it happens as they're pulling the ball in and get a vicious hit, but once you pull the ball in, no excuses!

[TEXANottoMAN]

Whatever it takes.

Recievers can't relax out there after the ball is caught. They've gotta know that once they make the catch, everyones going to be gunning to knock it out.

I understand when it happens as they're pulling the ball in and get a vicious hit, but once you pull the ball in, no excuses!

I agree. You are taught to protect the ball through your senior year of college. EVERY DAY. Coach Sherrill (A&M) was a master of teaching that.

[TEXANottoMAN]

"Coach Gary Kubiak isn't sure what to do to help his team cut down on turnovers, but Daniels insists he won't add to the problem again.

"I'm definitely going to clean it up and you won't see me put it on the ground any more this year," he said. "I guarantee that."

Daniels is upset about his recent fumbles and said this is the first time he's had this problem. To be fair, his fumble against the Saints came after a hit that dazed him and broke his nose"

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-texansturnovers&prov=ap&type=lgns

[barberman]

OD is the best overall TE on the squad. But he must learn to cover up the football when in traffic. If he can accomplish that the sky would be the limit for the young man.

[sleepwalker]

Daniels is smart in the passing game. He's our best TE, period. Yes he's fumbled.....a lot and in bad times. But hell he's not the only one turning the ball over.

[kcwilson]

Daniels is smart in the passing game. He's our best TE, period. Yes he's fumbled.....a lot and in bad times. But hell he's not the only one turning the ball over.

Actually, he pretty much is the only guy turning the ball over. Qbs will have INTs, some of schaub's ints have been strange bounces, like last week with Dreessen.

Every one else has maybe 1 fumble here or there, which will happen. 4 fumbles on like 46 catches is getting kinda frequent, wouldn't you say?

[Doug]

Both fumbles were questionable but the second one was a fumble.

JMO, and I'm not trying to be rude or sarcastic but there wouldn't be any questionable fumbles or a chance for a bad call had he held on to the ball to begin with.