I know some of you will hate me for doing this on this DAY, but......

[gsus8091]

It's time to rally around Mario Williams and vote like crazy for him to go to the Pro-Bowl. He is really playing very well, and I put him right up there with the top DE's in the league. I know some of you don't want to here this on a day that we lost OH so bad, but still the best thing that came out of this game was Mario's play and DeMeco's play. So let's start voting like mad, and try to get him to Hawaii.

C'mon guys, he's got 6 sacks with I think like 30+ tackles and 3 forced fumbles with a FR for TD. That's called a playmaker folks, and he should be in the Pro-Bowl.

[outofhnd]

No one on this team deserves the individual achievement of making the pro bowl. They are getting consistent, but not all star caliber at this point if we were we wouldn't be below .500 right now.

[sleepwalker]

I'm not quitting. I really think this Ahman crap has really hurt us. Schaub played below average too.

Then stupid penalties and fumbles.......risky passes.....

It seems like when teams pressure Schaub he kind of craters. I know he'll get better at that part.

But you gotta admit, the worst D in the league really put it on us. That really sucked to watch.

Ah well, lets keep trying to win, there's still some fun games left.

[headsplint]

Ah well, lets keep trying to win, there's still some fun games left.

Ya we should play the spoiler now.

[DeclanJr]

Mario Williams does not deserve to play in the pro bowl this year. He didn't get blocked on the sack he got today. He was handled easily the majority of the game.

[gsus8091]

No one on this team deserves the individual achievement of making the pro bowl. They are getting consistent, but not all star caliber at this point if we were we wouldn't be below .500 right now.

I definitly agree to a certain extent, but we do have Pro-Bowl caliber player, and just because we are under .500, doesn't mean that these individuals shouldn't be considered for individual honors.

I don't believe that if we are under .500 that we should make the guys who are performing suffer.

My Pro-Bowl Texans:

Mario Williams
DeMeco Ryans
Dunta Robinson (if he was healthy)

You can't be seriously not wanting the first two not to go just because the team is underperforming.

[gsus8091]

Mario Williams does not deserve to play in the pro bowl this year. He didn't get blocked on the sack he got today. He was handled easily the majority of the game.

Says the guys with Reggie Bush as an avatar.


Jesus Christ man, a sacks a sack. Get over it, Mario is a beast.

[Marcus]

Jesus Christ man, a sacks a sack. Get over it, Mario is a beast.

A sacks a sack? No, it's not! I could get a sack if I was wasn't blocked.

Mario may start to be showing some potential of "being a beast", but he's not there yet, not by a long shot. For him to get my vote for the Pro Bowl, I want to see him causing a lot more havoc in the backfield than he is.

[HJam72]

I think he's done enough in the first half of this season, but (due to a bad foot) he did not do enough in the last half of last season. So, he's out. To me, it takes a full year of good play.

Ryans deserves consideration for sure, although I don't know who he'd have to beat out. He may not be the best yet, but he's up there somewhere.

[DeclanJr]

Says the guys with Reggie Bush as an avatar.


Jesus Christ man, a sacks a sack. Get over it, Mario is a beast.

Hey genius, that's Demeco Ryans! Get a clue! A sack is not a sack when you don't get blocked. He did nothing all day and you are going to act like an unblocked sack should help get him into the probowl. C'mon!

[Whiskeyrbl]

Hey genius, that's Demeco Ryans! Get a clue! A sack is not a sack when you don't get blocked. He did nothing all day and you are going to act like an unblocked sack should help get him into the probowl. C'mon!

Does it go down as a sack???????????? Then it's a **** sack. What is ya'lls problem?? Sure the guy don't have 25 sacks, get over it . He is having a solid year. I have pretty much stopped posting here because of the ignorance of peoples comments and mindsets on this message board. It use to be a nice place to go and talk football. Now it is more of a lets talk **** board. He may not be pro bowl savy right now, but who knows. But you need to get a clue that was a sack,and I believe he had 4 more tackles.

[gsus8091]

Does it go down as a sack???????????? Then it's a **** sack. What is ya'lls problem?? Sure the guy don't have 25 sacks, get over it . He is having a solid year. I have pretty much stopped posting here because of the ignorance of peoples comments and mindsets on this message board. It use to be a nice place to go and talk football. Now it is more of a lets talk **** board. He may not be pro bowl savy right now, but who knows. But you need to get a clue that was a sack,and I believe he had 4 more tackles.

Exactly, somehow when Mario gets a sack, there is always an excuse behind it, but when guys like Kampman, Peppers, Freeney, Osi, Strahan, Burgess, etc. gets one, nobody questions thiers. Osi had 6 sacks against a 1rst year player in one game, but somehow he's a Pro-Bowl player. Gimme-a-break. I'll take Mario over everyone this year, thats right, everyone.

People don't care about Mario, they want to see him fail. Those people aren't fans they're haters. And haters always get whats coming to them.

[GT]

Exactly, somehow when Mario gets a sack, there is always an excuse behind it, but when guys like Kampman, Peppers, Freeney, Osi, Strahan, Burgess, etc. gets one, nobody questions thiers. Osi had 6 sacks against a 1rst year player in one game, but somehow he's a Pro-Bowl player. Gimme-a-break. I'll take Mario over everyone this year, thats right, everyone.

People don't care about Mario, they want to see him fail. Those people aren't fans they're haters. And haters always get whats coming to them.Most of these people are Vince lovers enuff said.:p

[outofhnd]

The reason I bring our record into account is because popular players are usually on winning teams. If brady didnt win 3 superbowls do you think he could have all the supermodels?

If Peytons team wasnt in the playoffs every year would he be a probowl mainstay?

Great players generate wins. Until this team gets a winning record and stay healthy, we wont have pro bowlers.

[Texicano]

Mario Williams does not deserve to play in the pro bowl this year. He didn't get blocked on the sack he got today. He was handled easily the majority of the game.

I have to agree with ya. Williams in no way deserves to be in the pro bowl. Heck he should be required to pay back at least 75% of the money he made tbh. :p

[thecd]

A sack is not a sack when you don't get blocked.


So what is it...a tackle for a loss? That's the only thing an "unblocked sack" could be if it's not a sack. Is there a separate statistic for "unblocked sacks"? Do linebackers coming on blitzes unblocked record "unblocked sacks" or tackles for losses when they tackle the QB behind the line of scrimmage?


No? Good. Then we agree that a sack IS a sack.

[bckey]

The Pro Bowl is a joke. Fans shouldn't even be involved in picking probowl players. It should be based on performance and voted on by people that are in pro football in some form or fashion.

[TEXANottoMAN]

MW may not be a probowl player, but he IS improving. I like the progress he has made in 2 years.

[gsus8091]

The reason I bring our record into account is because popular players are usually on winning teams. If brady didnt win 3 superbowls do you think he could have all the supermodels?

If Peytons team wasnt in the playoffs every year would he be a probowl mainstay?

Great players generate wins. Until this team gets a winning record and stay healthy, we wont have pro bowlers.

Thats my whole point, we should all try to vote for him and get him some love. Why not? Name 3 DE's playing better in the AFC outside of Jared Allen.

Right, so my vote is for OUR boy, Mario. If your a hater, fine, your loss, but why the hell are you on this site anyway then?

[El Tejano]

Hey genius, that's Demeco Ryans! Get a clue! A sack is not a sack when you don't get blocked. He did nothing all day and you are going to act like an unblocked sack should help get him into the probowl. C'mon!


Excuse me Mr. Strahan? I regret to inform you that the single season sack record you hold has been called back. We discounted all the sacks you had when you weren't blocked. Sorry, but if you are not blocked we just can't count it. I know Mr Strahan, you disrupted the play in the backfield and hit the QB before he could throw the ball but since you didn't get blocked it doesn't count. That particular play my friend is called a sackle. Yeah...that's right a sackle.

Signed,
The guy on the NFL committee who created the total yards stat for Reggie Bush.

[El Tejano]

Until this team gets a winning record and stay healthy, we wont have pro bowlers.

I wonder if they knew this when Gary Walker and Aaron Glenn, who were on a 4-12 2002 Texan team, made the Pro - Bowl. Gary Walker had nowhere near as many sacks as Mario either.

[Texanf@n]

I personally want a Texan at the Probowl. If it's Mario, fine. If it's Demeco, fine.
IMO.......
You know what I see when I look at the Texans? I see a team that is on the verge of going from so-so to "contender". While we really need depth on our bench, we are only a couple of players away from fielding a very talented team that can go head-to-head with any team in the league.
We are playing erratic now but in the next two years you are going to see the Texans handing out an a%# whipping on a regular basis.

[BornOrange]

Gary Walker was actually dominant play in and play out that year. Even on plays when he didn't get a sack, he was putting pressure on the QB and shutting down the run game. All this as a DE in a 3-4, so by design he was actually getting blocked by two players EVERY down.

Mario has had an extraordinarily efficient year this year. The few times he actually puts pressure on a QB, he ends up with a sack. He is not getting consistent pressure.

Mario is not having a Pro Bowl season.

Demeco Ryans, on the other hand, is having an incredible year.

[thecd]

The Pro Bowl is a joke. Fans shouldn't even be involved in picking probowl players. It should be based on performance and voted on by people that are in pro football in some form or fashion.



If I remember correctly, only a small bit of the Pro Bowl is decided by fans. I believe the rest is voted on by players/coaches. I could be wrong, but I swear I've heard this before.

[WWJD2]

He's not having a Pro Bowl year.

[Battle-Red]

Pretty sure the voting is 1/3rd player, 1/3rd fan, and 1/3rd coaches, that said it's strickly a popularity contest. Also on Strahan's record Farve all but gave it to him and got up and congratulated him(they're buddies). Imo Mario has shown marked improvement this year, but in the spirit of things he's not a probowler. As far as DeMeco in 06 goes well you be the judge, Ray Lewis and Zach Thomas we're the MLB's they both declined leaving Al Wilson(1st alt.) and Jonathan Vilma(2nd alt.) as the AFC Pro Bowl MLB's. And DeMeco in 07so far: 3rd in tkls, 2nd in solo tkls, with 2-scks 4-p.def 1-int 1-ff 1-td

IN ORDER OF 06 VOTE:
Ray Lewis: 103-tkls 80-solo 5-scks 8-p.def 2-int 1-ff 0-td=DECLINED
Zach Thomas: 165-tkls 103-solo 3-sck 10-p.def 1-int 2-ff 0-td=DECLINED
Al Wilson: 101-tkls 78-solo 1-sck 0-p.def 0-int 0-ff 0-td=Pro Bowl
Jonathan Vilma: 113-tkls 66-solo 0-sck 5-d.pass 1-int 1-ff 0-td=Pro Bowl
London Fletcher: 146-tkl 104-solo 2-sck 11-d.pass 4-int 1-ff 1-td=4th alt.
DeMeco Ryans: 155-tckls 125-solo 3.5-sck 6-d.pass 1-int 1-ff 0-td=5th alt.

NFC SENT
Urlacher 141-tkls 91-solo 0-sck 9-p.def 3-int 1-ff 0-td=DECLINED
Jeremiah Trotter: 112-tkls 87-solo 0-sck 4-d.pass 1-int 1-ff 0-td =Pro Bowl
Lofa Tatupa: 122-tkls 91-solo 1.5-sck 7-d.pass 2-int 1-ff 0-td=Pro Bowl

[SuperstarII]

It's time to rally around Mario Williams and vote like crazy for him to go to the Pro-Bowl. He is really playing very well, and I put him right up there with the top DE's in the league. I know some of you don't want to here this on a day that we lost OH so bad, but still the best thing that came out of this game was Mario's play and DeMeco's play. So let's start voting like mad, and try to get him to Hawaii.

C'mon guys, he's got 6 sacks with I think like 30+ tackles and 3 forced fumbles with a FR for TD. That's called a playmaker folks, and he should be in the Pro-Bowl.

time for solomon to stop riding VY strap and apologize for calling out mario and saying he needs something like 20 sacks in order for him not to be a bust. VY riders need to shut up already. VY is not having a stellar year anyway.

[SuperstarII]

Pretty sure the voting is 1/3rd player, 1/3rd fan, and 1/3rd coaches, that said it's strickly a popularity contest. Also on Strahan's record Farve all but gave it to him and got up and congratulated him(they're buddies). Imo Mario has shown marked improvement this year, but in the spirit of things he's not a probowler. As far as DeMeco in 06 goes well you be the judge, Ray Lewis and Zach Thomas we're the MLB's they both declined leaving Al Wilson(1st alt.) and Jonathan Vilma(2nd alt.) as the AFC Pro Bowl MLB's. And DeMeco in 07so far: 3rd in tkls, 2nd in solo tkls, with 2-scks 4-p.def 1-int 1-ff 1-td

IN ORDER OF 06 VOTE:
Ray Lewis: 103-tkls 80-solo 5-scks 8-p.def 2-int 1-ff 0-td=DECLINED
Zach Thomas: 165-tkls 103-solo 3-sck 10-p.def 1-int 2-ff 0-td=DECLINED
Al Wilson: 101-tkls 78-solo 1-sck 0-p.def 0-int 0-ff 0-td=Pro Bowl
Jonathan Vilma: 113-tkls 66-solo 0-sck 5-d.pass 1-int 1-ff 0-td=Pro Bowl
London Fletcher: 146-tkl 104-solo 2-sck 11-d.pass 4-int 1-ff 1-td=4th alt.
DeMeco Ryans: 155-tckls 125-solo 3.5-sck 6-d.pass 1-int 1-ff 0-td=5th alt.

NFC SENT
Urlacher 141-tkls 91-solo 0-sck 9-p.def 3-int 1-ff 0-td=DECLINED
Jeremiah Trotter: 112-tkls 87-solo 0-sck 4-d.pass 1-int 1-ff 0-td =Pro Bowl
Lofa Tatupa: 122-tkls 91-solo 1.5-sck 7-d.pass 2-int 1-ff 0-td=Pro Bowl

Doesn't DeMeco have a TD?

[Battle-Red]

Doesn't DeMeco have a TD?
He does the list of stats is from the actual results of the 06 pro bowl, his 07 stats are at the end of the paragraph. And here is another big fat piece of pro bowl to chew on. Albert Haynesworth's contract year, he's having a monster year, he's dominating, right?

A.Haynesworth: 30-tkls 26-solo 5-sck 3-p.def 0-int 0-ff
A.Okoye: 26-tkls 20-solo 5-sck 0-p.def 0-int 1-ff
T.Johnson: 30-tkls 23-solo 0-sck 5-p.def 1-int 0-ff

[Vinny]

He does the list of stats is from the actual results of the 06 pro bowl, his 07 stats are at the end of the paragraph. And here is another big fat piece of pro bowl to chew on. Albert Haynesworth's contract year, he's having a monster year, he's dominating, right?

A.Haynesworth: 30-tkls 26-solo 5-sck 3-p.def 0-int 0-ff
A.Okoye: 26-tkls 20-solo 5-sck 0-p.def 0-int 1-ff
T.Johnson: 30-tkls 23-solo 0-sck 5-p.def 1-int 0-ff
it's pretty much impossible to judge line play on stats. You give a great example why you have to actually eyeball the players to have an opinion on who is playing well and who is getting pushed around. Johnson has flashed some good play at times, but he hasn't been near the dominant player that Fat Albert has this season.

[HydrOshocK]

Excuse me Mr. Strahan? I regret to inform you that the single season sack record you hold has been called back. We discounted all the sacks you had when you weren't blocked. Sorry, but if you are not blocked we just can't count it. I know Mr Strahan, you disrupted the play in the backfield and hit the QB before he could throw the ball but since you didn't get blocked it doesn't count. That particular play my friend is called a sackle. Yeah...that's right a sackle.

Signed,
The guy on the NFL committee who created the total yards stat for Reggie Bush.

LMAO!! :D

[Battle-Red]

it's pretty much impossible to judge line play on stats. You give a great example why you have to actually eyeball the players to have an opinion on who is playing well and who is getting pushed around. Johnson has flashed some good play at times, but he hasn't been near the dominant player that Fat Albert has this season.

Exactly my point wether the stats translate to the field or not. The pro bowl is now in its purest form a popularity contest. Unlike last year when DeMeco deserved it(from play and stats) and got snuffed. This year while DeMeco is making his case again, I think Mario and TJ have showed marked improvement and Okoye is showing flashes of his abillity and things to come(even if their stats are comparable, it hasnt translated consistently).

[TEXANottoMAN]

Exactly my point whether the stats translate to the field or not. The pro bowl is now in its purest form a popularity contest. Unlike last year when DeMeco deserved it(from play and stats) and got snuffed. This year while DeMeco is making his case again, I think Mario and TJ have showed marked improvement and Okoye is showing flashes of his abillity and things to come(even if their stats are comparable, it hasnt translated consistently).

I think that they (d-line) will develop consistency as they mature in the NFL. After that, We could possibly have 3 of 4 d linemen in the Probowl.

This could hinge on the Texans W-L record. I say this because Houston is a mid-market team. Also, the City of Houston is a melting pot of NFL Cities because of the working environment (industry). So everyone pulls for their "home" team when the Texans play them (I don't - I'm from New Orleans and I LOVE THE TEXANS). This makes it hard for enormous and unilateral fan support like other teams have (winning doesn't hurt either).

We aren't given that much respect in the NFL community. The Texans need to earn their respect on the field by winning. After that, we will have a number of Texans in the Probowl.

Getting down to it, the Probowl doesn't mean squat to me. I rarely watch it. I would much rather see our Texans in the Super Bowl and win it.
However, that's a few years away. Until then:

GO TEXANS