johndoe's OL in-house reconstruction 2008

[johndoe]

I can't wait until Sunday when we're going to kill the titans up in Tennessee but to pass time here is my ideas for the Texans OL in 08...feel free to tear up my ideas and make all the derogatory statements you want.

LT: Eric Winston...with salaam being old and playing like crud, we need a new
lt. I would say put Spencer here but with his lateral movement suspect I think Winston could do a good job for us.

LG: Charles Spencer...I envision him as our Leonard Davis. With his health in doubt I think the best place for him to be is at guard.

C: Chris White...give the kid a shot and see what he can do. We always have Flanagan backing him up and McKinney will be there to be a reserve C/G

RG: Jordan Black...he hasn’t played much this year but he could possibly be an upgrade over weary. He gave up a lot of sacks for the chiefs but at guard he wouldn’t have to deal with speedy edge rushers that tore him up in Kansas City

RT: Chester Pitts...imo Chester did well when he played lt for us a few years back. I think he could possibly be the answer at rt

So basically the reconstructed OL looks like:

Winston-Spencer-White-Black-Pitts… what do yall think???

[texans83]

I can't wait until Sunday when we're going to kill the titans up in Tennessee but to pass time here is my ideas for the Texans OL in 08...feel free to tear up my ideas and make all the derogatory statements you want.

LT: Eric Winston...with salaam being old and playing like crud, we need a new
lt. I would say put Spencer here but with his lateral movement suspect I think Winston could do a good job for us.

LG: Charles Spencer...I envision him as our Leonard Davis. With his health in doubt I think the best place for him to be is at guard.

C: Chris White...give the kid a shot and see what he can do. We always have Flanagan backing him up and McKinney will be there to be a reserve C/G

RG: Jordan Black...he hasn’t played much this year but he could possibly be an upgrade over weary. He gave up a lot of sacks for the chiefs but at guard he wouldn’t have to deal with speedy edge rushers that tore him up in Kansas City

RT: Chester Pitts...imo Chester did well when he played lt for us a few years back. I think he could possibly be the answer at rt

So basically the reconstructed OL looks like:

Winston-Spencer-White-Black-Pitts… what do yall think???

So are you saying we shouldnt draft a LT on the first day?

[michael123]

:)i say we pick up clady we are in the range 15-20 if we are between 8-15 we should pick up slaton or jon. stewart so ahman can help him throughout his young career

[kmc1499]

So are you saying we shouldnt draft a LT on the first day?

I swear the LT spot is like Stuart Scott's eye, the elephant in the room know one talks about. We all see it but dont talk about it. We have to address that spot! im sooo tired of seeing Epharim Salaam getting beat. If one of the premier lt in the draft don't slide to us i would rather us get a reasonable priced (are any of these guy ever available?) guy in FA.

[diddykong466]

i think the o line should look like this next season

LT Jake Long (draft 1st round)
LG Alan Faneca (i think he should be priority number 1 in free agency or trade)
C Steve McKinney , Chris White as backup (cut mike flanagan)
RG Fred Weary (he's been the second best olinemen after winston)
RT Eric Winston (should be entrenched in this position for the next 10 yrs, better suited as a RT imo)

with this line, the left side which has been our weakness will get some much needed talent with rookie Long, and a tough nastiness with leadership in Faneca. The right side has been pretty strong with weary and winston holding it down, runs to that side have been alot more successful from what i have seen. and the pass protection breakdowns have occurred from the left side alot.

[misterpc]

I agree that J. Black would make a better G than OT, and I would love to see what Spencer could do as a guard. Weary's contract is up after this year and I expect him to be gone. Studdard, Spencer, Black, and Pitts would give us solid depth at G. Of course that means we need to draft a LT in the first round. We already tried Winston at LT and it didnt work. He's coming into his own at RT lets leave him be.

LT: 1st rd pick (Clady, Baker, or Oher)
LG: Spencer
C: McKinney
RG: Pitts
RT: Winston

bench-
OT- Salaam/Black
G- Studdard/Black
C- White/Flanagan [or day 2 draft pick]

I like this a lot.

[TheLBCoach]

LT - Ryan Clady
LG - Chester Pitts/Kasey Studdard
C - Cody Wallace/Chris White
RG - Fred Weary
RT - Eric Winston/Brandon Frye

[Clamp]

i mentioned moving Spencer to guard in a thread a week or so ago. i think it would be the best move since as some one said, his mobility will likely not be what it was. As far as Jordan Black, i know next to nothing about him so i dont know what he excels at. all i do know it that he cant play LT. Winston is our RT and should stay there. hes a beast. I know chris white was pushing for the job at center, but is he a long term solution or just a guy that can play until we find someone better?

[Bulls-Eye]

I can't wait until Sunday when we're going to kill the titans up in Tennessee but to pass time here is my ideas for the Texans OL in 08...feel free to tear up my ideas and make all the derogatory statements you want.

LT: Eric Winston...with salaam being old and playing like crud, we need a new
lt. I would say put Spencer here but with his lateral movement suspect I think Winston could do a good job for us.

LG: Charles Spencer...I envision him as our Leonard Davis. With his health in doubt I think the best place for him to be is at guard.

C: Chris White...give the kid a shot and see what he can do. We always have Flanagan backing him up and McKinney will be there to be a reserve C/G

RG: Jordan Black...he hasn’t played much this year but he could possibly be an upgrade over weary. He gave up a lot of sacks for the chiefs but at guard he wouldn’t have to deal with speedy edge rushers that tore him up in Kansas City

RT: Chester Pitts...imo Chester did well when he played lt for us a few years back. I think he could possibly be the answer at rt

So basically the reconstructed OL looks like:

Winston-Spencer-White-Black-Pitts… what do yall think???

Kill who? The Titans? We couldn't kill Browns, and Browns are a average team. Cleveland didn't show me nothing specular. Titans killed us without the mighty Vince Young. Now, what do you think this team going to do when VY is back in the lineup?

[LoveThoseTexans]

Kill who? The Titans? We couldn't kill Browns, and Browns are a average team. Cleveland didn't show me nothing specular. Titans killed us without the mighty Vince Young. Now, what do you think this team going to do when VY is back in the lineup?

Lose???? LOL!!!:D

[TheLBCoach]

i mentioned moving Spencer to guard in a thread a week or so ago. i think it would be the best move since as some one said, his mobility will likely not be what it was. As far as Jordan Black, i know next to nothing about him so i dont know what he excels at. all i do know it that he cant play LT. Winston is our RT and should stay there. hes a beast. I know chris white was pushing for the job at center, but is he a long term solution or just a guy that can play until we find someone better?

I just dropped some knowledge the post before yours. Might want to check that out. ;)

Just so no 'reading between the lines is involved', Cody Wallace is the long term solution at C. White may be the long term solution, but we don't want to ignore the C position thinking White is the guy just in case he proves to be nothing like we expect as a starter.

[Wolf123]

I doubt that houston brings Weary and instead lets studdard slide into that position.

[steelbtexan]

i think the o line should look like this next season

LT Jake Long (draft 1st round)
LG Alan Faneca (i think he should be priority number 1 in free agency or trade)
C Steve McKinney , Chris White as backup (cut mike flanagan)
RG Fred Weary (he's been the second best olinemen after winston)
RT Eric Winston (should be entrenched in this position for the next 10 yrs, better suited as a RT imo)

with this line, the left side which has been our weakness will get some much needed talent with rookie Long, and a tough nastiness with leadership in Faneca. The right side has been pretty strong with weary and winston holding it down, runs to that side have been alot more successful from what i have seen. and the pass protection breakdowns have occurred from the left side alot.
I like this o-line although we may have to settle for Baker or Clady. This would be the best O-Line we've had since our inception. I've been a proponet of signing Faneca for along time. Iwould also like to see us sign Fargas.

[TheLBCoach]

I doubt that houston brings Weary and instead lets studdard slide into that position.

You doubt they bring him where?

[misterpc]

You doubt they bring him where?

I think its clear he is doubting that Houston will resign Weary. Weary's contract is up after this year. As for Wallace, sure it would be nice to have him but I dont know if its worth a 3rd round pick, especially if we spend our 1st pick on an O-lineman. I know we need help at OL but that would leave us with no day 1 picks to address any of the other problem positions like safety, which we need desperately.

[GT]

Kill who? The Titans? We couldn't kill Browns, and Browns are a average team. Cleveland didn't show me nothing specular. Titans killed us without the mighty Vince Young. Now, what do you think this team going to do when VY is back in the lineup?True colors hey?:rolleyes:

[TheLBCoach]

I think its clear he is doubting that Houston will resign Weary. Weary's contract is up after this year. As for Wallace, sure it would be nice to have him but I dont know if its worth a 3rd round pick, especially if we spend our 1st pick on an O-lineman. I know we need help at OL but that would leave us with no day 1 picks to address any of the other problem positions like safety, which we need desperately.

Offensive Line is the #1 area we need to concentrate on this offseason. I don't care who disagrees with me. The strongest part of your football team needs to be your Offensive Line and your Defensive Line. You can have as much talent on the perimeter (CB, WR, FS, RB) that you want, but unless the trenches are solid and secure, you aren't going anywhere as a football team.

Round 4, we should have our choice of either Rodgers-Cromartie at CB or Joe Fields at FS. Will Demps is a darn good FS and we need to give him a chance.

Richard Smith plays 'soft zone' wayyyyy too much for his own good. The reason we get thrown underneath on and allow so many 1st Downs, especially on 3rd and Long situations, is precisely because that's what the defense Smith calls is designed to do...protect against the DEEP ball. I think a new DC, an aggressive DC, will remedy this and not make it look like our secondary is the problem all of the time. I'm not saying our DBs never make mistakes themselves, but I AM saying that Richard Smith IS responsible for our DBs, especially our Safeties, looking bad a lot of the time.

[TEXANottoMAN]

Kill who? The Titans? We couldn't kill Browns, and Browns are a average team. Cleveland didn't show me nothing specular. Titans killed us without the mighty Vince Young. Now, what do you think this team going to do when VY is back in the lineup?

LOSE

GO TEXANS !!!

[GT]

Kill who? The Titans? We couldn't kill Browns, and Browns are a average team. Cleveland didn't show me nothing specular. Titans killed us without the mighty Vince Young. Now, what do you think this team going to do when VY is back in the lineup?Seriously I want some of that smoke or kool-ade whichever, must be some good stuff.:rolleyes:

[misterpc]

Offensive Line is the #1 area we need to concentrate on this offseason. I don't care who disagrees with me. The strongest part of your football team needs to be your Offensive Line and your Defensive Line. You can have as much talent on the perimeter (CB, WR, FS, RB) that you want, but unless the trenches are solid and secure, you aren't going anywhere as a football team.

Round 4, we should have our choice of either Rodgers-Cromartie at CB or Joe Fields at FS. Will Demps is a darn good FS and we need to give him a chance.

Richard Smith plays 'soft zone' wayyyyy too much for his own good. The reason we get thrown underneath on and allow so many 1st Downs, especially on 3rd and Long situations, is precisely because that's what the defense Smith calls is designed to do...protect against the DEEP ball. I think a new DC, an aggressive DC, will remedy this and not make it look like our secondary is the problem all of the time. I'm not saying our DBs never make mistakes themselves, but I AM saying that Richard Smith IS responsible for our DBs, especially our Safeties, looking bad a lot of the time.

I can agree with you that the OL needs serious attention. It is probably our biggest weakness, has been forever. But safety is a very important position, a defense without good safeties will give up the most touchdowns. CC and Demps as our starting safeties is not good enough. Upgrading at safety is necessary for the Texans defense to become great.

[TheLBCoach]

I can agree with you that the OL needs serious attention. It is probably our biggest weakness, has been forever. But safety is a very important position, a defense without good safeties will give up the most touchdowns. CC and Demps as our starting safeties is not good enough. Upgrading at safety is necessary for the Texans defense to become great.

Good Safeties ARE important, but I'm drafting the best available OT before I'm drafting the best available Safety.

If Kenny Phillips and Ryan Clady were both available (a situation that very well could happen), I'd take Clady...and only take about 30 seconds of my 10 minutes to do it. Charles Godfrey and Joe Fields will be there in Round 3.

[South Texan]

So much depends on Spencer and while I would love to have some more information than they are letting out, I doubt the medical staff even knows where he is going to be on the rehab road next season.
If nothing else, I hope the lesson was learned from Domick... if there is a question about him being 100% assume he isn't going to be. That said, if there is any question about him I go along with drafting the best LT on the board in round 1. (Assuming a talent like an Adrian Peterson hasn't fallen through the cracks.) For those that argue for a RB in round 1, we should have Chris White in the lineup next year, and though he is a bit of an unknown, Kubiak seems sold on him and that's good enough for me. Also bear in mind a good O-Line can make a decent RB look great if they are opening holes to let him get into the secondary. As far as Pitts and Winston, they seem to be doing a good job and getting better... don't fix it if it ain't broken.
With Weary's experience and Studdard's attitude we should get a good LG.
Still leaves us with the question at LT and Center. I hope White can get some playing time to see what we have in him.

So my line next year is:
RT Winston
RG Pitts
Center McKinny/ White/ Draft or FA Player
LG Weary/Studdard
LT ???????????

Of course, ????????? is why God created the draft and Free Agency, and Rick Smith is very good at playing that game.

[TheLBCoach]

So much depends on Spencer and while I would love to have some more information than they are letting out, I doubt the medical staff even knows where he is going to be on the rehab road next season.
If nothing else, I hope the lesson was learned from Domick... if there is a question about him being 100% assume he isn't going to be. That said, if there is any question about him I go along with drafting the best LT on the board in round 1. (Assuming a talent like an Adrian Peterson hasn't fallen through the cracks.) For those that argue for a RB in round 1, we should have Chris White in the lineup next year, and though he is a bit of an unknown, Kubiak seems sold on him and that's good enough for me. Also bear in mind a good O-Line can make a decent RB look great if they are opening holes to let him get into the secondary. As far as Pitts and Winston, they seem to be doing a good job and getting better... don't fix it if it ain't broken.
With Weary's experience and Studdard's attitude we should get a good LG.
Still leaves us with the question at LT and Center. I hope White can get some playing time to see what we have in him.

So my line next year is:
RT Winston
RG Pitts
Center McKinny/ White/ Draft or FA Player
LG Weary/Studdard
LT ???????????

Of course, ????????? is why God created the draft and Free Agency, and Rick Smith is very good at playing that game.

Nothing depends on Charles Spencer. We need to move on as if Spencer wasn't even here.

[South Texan]

Nothing depends on Charles Spencer. We need to move on as if Spencer wasn't even here.

Unfortunately I agree... that's why the LT spot is all ??????.

[HydrOshocK]

Good Safeties ARE important, but I'm drafting the best available OT before I'm drafting the best available Safety.

If Kenny Phillips and Ryan Clady were both available (a situation that very well could happen), I'd take Clady...and only take about 30 seconds of my 10 minutes to do it. Charles Godfrey and Joe Fields will be there in Round 3.


I think I have to agree with you on this one. If we want to solve those blind side hit/fumble problems then we desperately need to upgrade our LT position first.

[Otisbean]

I agree that the Oline should be addressed. Unless someone too good to pass up falls to us, where ever we end up drafting, take a LT in the first, hopefully there is a good safety prospect in the 3rd, then go BPA. I really advocate signing Turner as a FA. NOt to high jack the thread but with our passing game, if we improve the line and add Turner then our offense will be ready to take off. The Browns are a very good football team offensively right now, with and Oline and RB upgrade we would be their equal offensively and we have a better D right now. Now D. coordinator is a different story.

[dalemurphy]

Nothing depends on Charles Spencer. We need to move on as if Spencer wasn't even here.

Not true. We have a potentially very good Olman that should be back next year. While I agree that the organization can't count on him, his presence will make us better, if he can make it back. That being said, we need to have a viable option at starting LT next year other than Spencer.... perhaps thats R.Butler, though I doubt it. More than likely, it will be a FA. All things being equal, I'd rather spend first day picks on RB, speed pass rushers, and maybe a Safety.

[Just Earl]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/magazine/24football.html?pagewanted=all

[outofhnd]

As far as free agents go I am pretty impressed with Max Starks. Guy is enormous but moves really quick for a guy his size. If Marvel doesnt play this week watch him this sunday night.

[willieg52]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/magazine/24football.html?pagewanted=all

I've been hearing about this kid for some time and the story was a great read. everyone keeps talking about Clady for whatever reason while all this time I have said that Oher would be the better of the two. Glad to see that he has cought the attention of someone else on the MB besides me.

[wildroot]

Good Safeties ARE important, but I'm drafting the best available OT before I'm drafting the best available Safety.

If Kenny Phillips and Ryan Clady were both available (a situation that very well could happen), I'd take Clady...and only take about 30 seconds of my 10 minutes to do it. Charles Godfrey and Joe Fields will be there in Round 3.

If we're picking in the middle of round 1 Sam Baker deserves a look. Phillips and Clady will be gone.

[GT]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/magazine/24football.html?pagewanted=allFantastic read, whats more is the impact people can have by believing in other people.

Instead of a wasted life you know have a man with a purpose because of actions by a few sincere people.

This man deserves a strong consideration by this team as a possible lineman, could be a sleeper in the draft.
Thxs for the info.:)

[willieg52]

Fantastic read, whats more is the impact people can have by believing in other people.

Instead of a wasted life you know have a man with a purpose because of actions by a few sincere people.

This man deserves a strong consideration by this team as a possible lineman, could be a sleeper in the draft.
Thxs for the info.:)

The thing is that i wouldn't really call him a sleeper because many mock drafts have him going before Claddy and right after Long and Baker.

[GT]

The thing is that i wouldn't really call him a sleeper because many mock drafts have him going before Claddy and right after Long and Baker.Appreciate the info, work pretty much consumes my time & I tend to rely on all of you for info. After reading post I will go search out players bio. Wished I could watch a little more college ball.

Once again thanks to all of you who research this info.:)

[TheLBCoach]

If we're picking in the middle of round 1 Sam Baker deserves a look. Phillips and Clady will be gone.

Sam Baker figures to be drafted before Clady...unless Baker gets caught on tape with a hooker in his apartment before the draft. :)

[doodyps]

I haven't posted for a while (not because I'm a fair weather fan, just been busy...LSAT this Saturday) but Ive been keeping up on the team and the games and draft ect. I have to agree with most people on this thread. LT first round. We will probably be drafting between 14 and 18. There are quite a few people almost guaranteed to go in the top ten, and I believe of the top 4 LT's, only Jake long will definatly be gone. Sam Baker, Ryan Clady, or Oher (dont know spelling) from ole miss will be there for us. Theres no way all 4 are going in the top 20. We should take the best LT there. I also wouldnt mind taking the best center in the 3rd to go along...I'd like steve justice perhaps. We have plenty of WR's and a stud RB can wait or be found in the 4th or FA. I know everyone wants a RB, but lets finally get the OL in good shape and we can get a RB later. We all know its the SMART thing to do. Who could possibly complain about our offense once our OL is set. If Dayne can get 3.6 yards now, imagine what we could have with a GOOD OL. The D should get better simply with age. I think Demps is solid, and if Drob can come back, him Fred B and Von Hutchins can hold down CB. SS at least has competition as is and we can continue to draft options. The jist is just that we should draft a 1st round LT and even a C if we get a shot at one

[wildroot]

Sounds about right to me, except I'd like us to get an RB in the 3rd. Maybe Torain or Patrick. Torain's injured so he may drop, but we need to go OL in the 1st and RB in the 3rd, then load up on DBs on day 2.

[outofhnd]

I say go safety round 1 solidify the middle of your defense. We need a jack of all trades safety not just a hitter we need a hitter/centerfielder that can make the play over the top.

I would like Krause out of Michigan on this team the guy can play guard or center and can basically be our center of the future. Has good size and looks really good every michigan game I see.

If not him I like Sullivan the center out of Notre Dame. I also like the center here at A&M.

Other linemen We might get later on Tony Hills wont have a senior bowl or scouting combine. I think he will be a steal if we can get him in rounds 2 or 3.

[HuttoKarl]

Fantastic read, whats more is the impact people can have by believing in other people.

Instead of a wasted life you know have a man with a purpose because of actions by a few sincere people.

This man deserves a strong consideration by this team as a possible lineman, could be a sleeper in the draft.
Thxs for the info.:)


That's an amazing story about people willing to put their money where their mouths and hearts are and it's an amazing story about a kid that never had a chance being trusting enough to let someone give him a chance.

Draft him. Plain and simple. He's a special player like Amobi Okoye is a special player.