Question Gary Kubiak Needs To Ask Himself

[TheLBCoach]

Once Matt Schaub is healthy, there certainly needs to be a Quarterback Conversation in Houston. That's obvious to me. Gary Kubiak needs to take a step back and ask himself "If Matt Schaub was making about the same amount of money as Sage Rosenfels, would I still go with Matt as my starting QB?"

Gary's decision on a starting QB will be purely a political one. Period.

His rationale likely being "We paid Matt a lot of money to be our starting QB, so he's GOING to be our starting QB."

The NFL is all about production, not about who makes the most money. The guy that gives us the best chance to win on Sundays is the guy that needs to be on the field.

I'm not saying we should give up on Matt Schaub yet, but it is worth taking notice of Sage's accomplishments as the starting QB of the Houston Texans.

[DeclanJr]

I'm still not sold on Sage. He had about three throws that could have been picked and one that was. He didn't have a high completion ratio either. Schaub's durability is what bothers me. I'd love to trade Sage for a draft pick or two, but wouldn't it be devastating if Schaub went down again next year.

Both quarterbacks to me are very similar. Kubiak's offense is one of the reasons they are having success.

Personally, I would keep them both and just stick with the picks the Texans have. If it looks like Spencer is coming back next year, then draft a running back. If that looks doubtful, draft some offensive line help. This team has really impressed me that past two weeks, particularly the defense. I look forward to good things to come.

[caddy]

I look at the wins... then the strength of the team we beat. It's hand's down on who bringing home the bacon.

[DexmanC]

The way I see it, Sage is a game "manager," not a "playmaker." Schaub has shown the ability to make plays, plus it's his first year in Kubiak's system. The question that Coach has ALREADY asked himself, is which player has the highest ceiling.

If one were looking objectively, it's not really possible to say that player is Sage. Also, Schaub reads defenses much more effectively than Sage, and his playaction is much better. Give Schaub another year in the system, and the gap between he and Sage will only widen.

[misterpc]

I dont think Kubiak has to ask himself that question right now. Schaub is hurt and cannot start. Sage has been playing well. At this point in the season there is no reason to risk Matt aggrivating his injury. Sage will continue as the starter and Kubiak will let Schaub rest so he can heal.

[misterpc]

The way I see it, Sage is a game "manager," not a "playmaker." Schaub has shown the ability to make plays, plus it's his first year in Kubiak's system. The question that Coach has ALREADY asked himself, is which player has the highest ceiling.

If one were looking objectively, it's not really possible to say that player is Sage. Also, Schaub reads defenses much more effectively than Sage, and his playaction is much better. Give Schaub another year in the system, and the gap between he and Sage will only widen.

I dont think your assesment is accurate at all. Both QBs read the defenses well and can make plays. Sage executed the play action masterfully against the Broncos, thats how he got his rushing TD in the first quarter and its also how we got that TD in the 4th quarter, when Rosenfels hit AJ at the one yard line. The only thing I can agree with is that it may be true Schaub has a higher ceiling than Sage. Other than that you are definitely understating Sage's ability as a QB.

[mflatter39]

I think that rosenfields has the ability to "win games" and has more confidence than Matt Shaub. I would give Shaub the start next year, but if he cant perform in the fist few games, then Rosenfiels should start so that we can make the playoffs

[aj.]

How many more Sage v. Schuab threads do we need? There's one about 6 pages long just below this one (among others).

[TheLBCoach]

How many more Sage v. Schuab threads do we need? There's one about 6 pages long just below this one (among others).

Please stop whining aj. If somebody's not stroking your ego and agreeing with everything you say, you want nothing to do with them. Why do you think you're better than everyone else?

[Matt_in_KW]

I have yet to see Sage do ANYTHING that makes me think he is a real starter in the NFL. He still can't read a D well enough, Matt has shown he can. Sage has been with the team awhile, and still can't handle certian things. meanwhile, when not hurt, Matt is already handleing stuff better than Sage for the most part...in his 1st year here.

Bottom line, I don't think either is our QB in for the future. But, matt will start and Sage will be the backup till we get the Oline fixed and fill other spots of need. Then we will grab a QB either a FA or a high draft pick. And that will be the future.

Honestly, I would be shocked to see Sage back net year. I would think a team such as Atlanta(talk about strange) would give us a 2nd bak and maybe a 4th for Sage. And we all know Sage wants to start, even though in his NFL carreer he has struggled and failed to even beat out guys like AJ Feely(sp).

[Pantherstang84]

If I was Kubiak, I would ask the following question, "Which of my 2 quarterbacks has the most potential?"

[Wolf123]

Everyone needs to realize that this is Matts first year starting and he's going to get alot better. He's already as good as sage and he's only going to get better.

[Pantherstang84]

Everyone needs to realize that this is Matts first year starting and he's going to get alot better. He's already as good as sage and he's only going to get better.

Bingo!!!

[GT]

How many more Sage v. Schuab threads do we need? There's one about 6 pages long just below this one (among others).Glad someone else has noticed this. ;)

There is no conversation here, fortunatly or unfortunatly the reality is Schaub will be starting next year. You can discuss this from daylight to dark, but Kubes bought in Schaub to be the starter.As a former backup QB & Denvers former OC I have faith that he knows what he is doing with the QB's.

[ObsiWan]

Once Matt Schaub is healthy, there certainly needs to be a Quarterback Conversation in Houston. That's obvious to me. Gary Kubiak needs to take a step back and ask himself "If Matt Schaub was making about the same amount of money as Sage Rosenfels, would I still go with Matt as my starting QB?"

Gary's decision on a starting QB will be purely a political one. Period.

His rationale likely being "We paid Matt a lot of money to be our starting QB, so he's GOING to be our starting QB."

The NFL is all about production, not about who makes the most money. The guy that gives us the best chance to win on Sundays is the guy that needs to be on the field.

I'm not saying we should give up on Matt Schaub yet, but it is worth taking notice of Sage's accomplishments as the starting QB of the Houston Texans.

How many different ways do we need to ask the same silly question?? Aren't there about 3-4 other threads about this already?

Schaub is the starter.
Sage is the backup.
Smith isn't going to trade either of them.
Both guys have been hurt so don't give me that "Matt is fragile crap"
- The reason Sage didn't start the last 2-3 games of '06 was because he had a broken thumb.
- And we all know Matt was knocked out by a cheap shot. I think Fisher's boys lead the league in cheap shots and fines - but I digress

Point is you never know which play will take a guy out. At the risk of being redundant - Every team needs good insurance at QB. Sage is great insurance.

Now excuse me, the Cowpaddys just lost, so I must fix myself a celebratory drink.
:D

[TheLBCoach]

How many different ways do we need to ask the same silly question?? Aren't there about 3-4 other threads about this already?

Schaub is the starter.
Sage is the backup.
Smith isn't going to trade either of them.
Both guys have been hurt so don't give me that "Matt is fragile crap"
- The reason Sage didn't start the last 2-3 games of '06 was because he had a broken thumb.
- And we all know Matt was knocked out by a cheap shot. I think Fisher's boys lead the league in cheap shots and fines - but I digress

Point is you never know which play will take a guy out. At the risk of being redundant - Every team needs good insurance at QB. Sage is great insurance.

Now excuse me, the Cowpaddys just lost, so I must fix myself a celebratory drink.
:D


I'm not advocating Sage starting. I simply posted my thoughts on the subject. My apologies if there are already numerous posts about this issue. I don't spend 14 hours per day on here, so I didn't really notice other Sage threads. (I think I posted on another Sage thread a few days ago, but couldn't find it this time 'round)

[Pantherstang84]

How many different ways do we need to ask the same silly question?? Aren't there about 3-4 other threads about this already?

Schaub is the starter.
Sage is the backup.
Smith isn't going to trade either of them.
Both guys have been hurt so don't give me that "Matt is fragile crap"
- The reason Sage didn't start the last 2-3 games of '06 was because he had a broken thumb.
- And we all know Matt was knocked out by a cheap shot. I think Fisher's boys lead the league in cheap shots and fines - but I digress

Point is you never know which play will take a guy out. At the risk of being redundant - Every team needs good insurance at QB. Sage is great insurance.

Now excuse me, the Cowpaddys just lost, so I must fix myself a celebratory drink.
:D

I raise my glass to you sir and join you in your celebration and consumption of distilled spirits.

[headsplint]

How many more Sage v. Schuab threads do we need? There's one about 6 pages long just below this one (among others).

#1Mendenhallfan just wants to change all the starting positions. If Sage was the initial starter and had a bad game or was injured he would say bench Sage and start Schaub. Basically he just wants the opposite of what makes most sense. He honestly thinks he is a better coach than Kubiak. I bet he has a voodoo doll of Kubiak under his pillow and he grasps it in the middle of the night huddled in a corner asking whyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!! whyyyyyyyyyyy not me....kuuuuuuuuuubbbbbbbbiiiiaaaaaaakkkkkkk

[wildroot]

Once Matt Schaub is healthy, there certainly needs to be a Quarterback Conversation in Houston. That's obvious to me. Gary Kubiak needs to take a step back and ask himself "If Matt Schaub was making about the same amount of money as Sage Rosenfels, would I still go with Matt as my starting QB?"

Gary's decision on a starting QB will be purely a political one. Period.

His rationale likely being "We paid Matt a lot of money to be our starting QB, so he's GOING to be our starting QB."

The NFL is all about production, not about who makes the most money. The guy that gives us the best chance to win on Sundays is the guy that needs to be on the field.

I'm not saying we should give up on Matt Schaub yet, but it is worth taking notice of Sage's accomplishments as the starting QB of the Houston Texans.

I'm sure Kubiak will start whichever of the two, based on this years production and '08 training camp gives him the best chance to win. His job depends on it. If Sage beats out Schaub, then we'd probably deal him. If Schaub wins out, Sage will sit.

[Marcus]

#1Mendenhallfan just wants to change all the starting positions. If Sage was the initial starter and had a bad game or was injured he would say bench Sage and start Schaub. Basically he just wants the opposite of what makes most sense. He honestly thinks he is a better coach than Kubiak. I bet he has a voodoo doll of Kubiak under his pillow and he grasps it in the middle of the night huddled in a corner asking whyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!! whyyyyyyyyyyy not me....kuuuuuuuuuubbbbbbbbiiiiaaaaaaakkkkkkk

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that shakes my head at this guy. Jeez.

[koshea]

I have yet to see Sage do ANYTHING that makes me think he is a real starter in the NFL. He still can't read a D well enough, Matt has shown he can. Sage has been with the team awhile, and still can't handle certian things. meanwhile, when not hurt, Matt is already handleing stuff better than Sage for the most part...in his 1st year here.

Bottom line, I don't think either is our QB in for the future. But, matt will start and Sage will be the backup till we get the Oline fixed and fill other spots of need. Then we will grab a QB either a FA or a high draft pick. And that will be the future.

Honestly, I would be shocked to see Sage back net year. I would think a team such as Atlanta(talk about strange) would give us a 2nd bak and maybe a 4th for Sage. And we all know Sage wants to start, even though in his NFL carreer he has struggled and failed to even beat out guys like AJ Feely(sp).


12 TD passes in 3 starts and 2 relief efforts

1 rushing TD

8 int in 186 attempts

4 4th Quarter TD passes in one game

15 passes of 20+ yards 4 of 40+

over 1300 yards

65% completion percentage

not to mention he dosent ***** about not being the starter, becuase statistically and from watching the games, in game time he has done NOTHING but prove he should be


i like schaub i say stick with schaub, but keep rosey, keep him good a fresh and ready...and if schaub begins to spiral down, dont hesitate to pull the plug.

[Clubroach]

12 TD passes in 3 starts and 2 relief efforts

1 rushing TD

8 int in 186 attempts

4 4th Quarter TD passes in one game

15 passes of 20+ yards 4 of 40+

over 1300 yards

65% completion percentage

not to mention he dosent ***** about not being the starter, becuase statistically and from watching the games, in game time he has done NOTHING but prove he should be


i like schaub i say stick with schaub, but keep rosey, keep him good a fresh and ready...and if schaub begins to spiral down, dont hesitate to pull the plug.

Reason enough why Sage should be a starter...but I do agree with giving Schaub another year to prove himself. Being the QB that he is, if he can't push the team past the regular season into the playoffs next year, or gets hurt over and over again next year...pull the plug on him and get Sage under center.

[DexmanC]

Looking at ONLY the numbers, you would say that Sage is better-than/equal-to Matt Schaub. Watching the games, Schaub looks better. Here is an example.

How many times have you seen Sage hit a receiver, at full speed, IN STRIDE compared to Matt Schaub? The answer to that question is NOT MANY. Everytime Sage completes a pass, the receiver has to turn BACK to him, and wait on the ball.

Look only at the numbers all you want, but I like a quarterback who can facilitate YARDS-AFTER-CATCH.

[outofhnd]

Even if Sage is having success is it because he is playing against lower level teams?

Oakland 4 wins, Denver 6 wins, Tennessee Definitely took some plays off. Tampa was our only quality win under sage and really if Davis doesn't return that kick we might be in quite a dogfight.

Also Sage cannot be a starter in this league the same reason he couldn't when he was drafted his arm strength is suspect. He runs the offense he makes faster decisions than schaub.

What bugs me about Schaub is he doesn't have the headset or the clipboard when he is not in the game. I Never see this effort the papers glamorize that he is the last guy out of the facility junk. I just dont see the effort to watch and learn another QB in that system to see how he can improve himself. He never shows any emotion like congratulating his teammates or anything.

[infantrycak]

What bugs me about Schaub is he doesn't have the headset or the clipboard when he is not in the game.

He has had an ear piece in listening to the communications both of the last two games.

He never shows any emotion like congratulating his teammates or anything.

You just aren't seeing it on the TV broadcast. He has congratulated players on a number of occasions.

[GT]

Looking at ONLY the numbers, you would say that Sage is better-than/equal-to Matt Schaub. Watching the games, Schaub looks better. Here is an example.

How many times have you seen Sage hit a receiver, at full speed, IN STRIDE compared to Matt Schaub? The answer to that question is NOT MANY. Everytime Sage completes a pass, the receiver has to turn BACK to him, and wait on the ball.

Look only at the numbers all you want, but I like a quarterback who can facilitate YARDS-AFTER-CATCH.Basically I have avoided the QB conversation, the reason I have is for what you mentioned.Schaub has a long ball & seems to hit his recievers in stride. ;)

[headsplint]

Looking at ONLY the numbers, you would say that Sage is better-than/equal-to Matt Schaub. Watching the games, Schaub looks better. Here is an example.

How many times have you seen Sage hit a receiver, at full speed, IN STRIDE compared to Matt Schaub? The answer to that question is NOT MANY. Everytime Sage completes a pass, the receiver has to turn BACK to him, and wait on the ball.

Look only at the numbers all you want, but I like a quarterback who can facilitate YARDS-AFTER-CATCH.

One thing that scares me about both Schaub and Sage, and I guess chalk it up to inexperience, is too many times I have seen them BOTH lead their receivers straight into coverage resulting in some mean *** hits; i.e. AJ in the Carolina game.

[Marcus]

One thing that scares me about both Schaub and Sage, and I guess chalk it up to inexperience, is too many times I have seen them BOTH lead their receivers straight into coverage resulting in some mean *** hits; i.e. AJ in the Carolina game.

That's called "hanging your receiver out to dry". Both Matt and Sage do that.

I've seen what Schaub can do when there's no pressure.
I've seen what Sage can do when there is no pressure.
I've seen what happens to Schaub when there is pressure.

I have NOT seen how Sage plays when there is pressure?

I won't have long to wait.

But something tells me that Sage will be falling off a few pedestals in the next couple of weeks.

[Element1337]

He has had an ear piece in listening to the communications both of the last two games.



You just aren't seeing it on the TV broadcast. He has congratulated players on a number of occasions.

That was an iPod ear piece. Haha seriously