Texans still not stable.

[Texanf@n]

And now, a few words from the Football Outsiders.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2008/02/13/ramblings/four-downs/6109/

[Nbkan]

Well add that fool to the people who will eat big heaps of Crow next year.

[Texanf@n]

Well add that fool to the people who will eat big heaps of Crow next year.

I know that's right!! Another example of houston sports getting no media love.

[GT]

Nothing really new or newsworthy.......appears to be an outsider writing an outside story....pfffft

[Texan Naija]

Nothing really new or newsworthy.......appears to be an outsider writing an outside story....pfffft

Yeah, a five paragraph rant on Schaub and and Rosenfels that everyone already knows about and free agency predictions without any solid or new facts to support them.

Although I agree completely with his statements on Garrard, he was IMO easily one of the best (if not the best given the lack of WR talent) QB in 2007.

[SuperstarII]

And now, a few words from the Football Outsiders.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2008/02/13/ramblings/four-downs/6109/

The writer couldn't even make up his own titles for the thread of each indivual review. For whom the bell tolls, The Master of Puppets, etc......wow just original creativity right their.....

[koshea]

this park kills me

"Oh, and a total of seven defensive backs on the roster are entering free agency, but given the way the defensive backfield played in 2007, that is a good thing."


yeah, since almost all of our secondary was injured the whole season thats a great way to evaluate worth

does this guy even follow the NFL or just repeat sportscenter facts

[TEXANRED]

Sorry guys, he didn't write anything that is not true.

Sage out played and had a better winning record than Schaub.

Ron Dayne does not need to be a Texan next year.

Our OLB's stink and Clark should be collecting SS not a game check.

Our CB's, with the exception of Bennet and DRob, are below average, and with the exception of Demps, our Safeties are pitiful.

Lets not let the 8-8 record fool you. We played a soft schedule, out of all 16 games we beat 2 teams with winning records.

This year we will have, AP, Favre, Chicago D, Detriots O, Big Ben and Willie Parker, A very much improved Raiders team, the Jags run game, the Titans run game, and the colts.

6 of 16 teams we play next year made the playoffs and 3 of the teams that did not make the playoffs under achieved. Three of those 6 that did make the playoffs we play twice next year.

If we fielded this team against next years opponents we win 4 maybe 5 games.

[GT]

Sorry guys, he didn't write anything that is not true.

Sage out played and had a better winning record than Schaub.

Ron Dayne does not need to be a Texan next year.

Our OLB's stink and Clark should be collecting SS not a game check.

Our CB's, with the exception of Bennet and DRob, are below average, and with the exception of Demps, our Safeties are pitiful.

Lets not let the 8-8 record fool you. We played a soft schedule, out of all 16 games we beat 2 teams with winning records.

This year we will have, AP, Favre, Chicago D, Detriots O, Big Ben and Willie Parker, A very much improved Raiders team, the Jags run game, the Titans run game, and the colts.

6 of 16 teams we play next year made the playoffs and 3 of the teams that did not make the playoffs under achieved. Three of those 6 that did make the playoffs we play twice next year.

If we fielded this team against next years opponents we win 4 maybe 5 games.Yo Red this is pretty much what we were saying.......nothing new.

[TEXANRED]

Yo Red this is pretty much what we were saying.......nothing new.

Maybe I misread.

This is what I was reading:

Well add that fool to the people who will eat big heaps of Crow next year.

I know that's right!! Another example of Houston sports getting no media love.

Nothing really new or newsworthy.......appears to be an outsider writing an outside story....pfffft


The writer couldn't even make up his own titles for the thread of each indivual review. For whom the bell tolls, The Master of Puppets, etc......wow just original creativity right their.....

this park kills me

"Oh, and a total of seven defensive backs on the roster are entering free agency, but given the way the defensive backfield played in 2007, that is a good thing."


yeah, since almost all of our secondary was injured the whole season thats a great way to evaluate worth

does this guy even follow the NFL or just repeat sportscenter facts

To me it sounds an awful lot like people saying this guy doesn't know what he is talking about, when in fact, he was spot on.

[GT]

Maybe I misread.To me it sounds an awful lot like people saying this guy doesn't know what he is talking about, when in fact, he was spot on.UNCLE!:rolleyes:

[Texanf@n]

Maybe I misread.
To me it sounds an awful lot like people saying this guy doesn't know what he is talking about, when in fact, he was spot on.

You didn't misread Red, you read history. Last season is last season. So the Outsider is a master of the obvious. He still isn't giving any love to a much improving Texans team.......what I read was a "big dis" aimed at the Texans.
But that's alright, it'll make our coming sucess so much sweeter!!

[wildroot]

Sorry guys, he didn't write anything that is not true.

Sage out played and had a better winning record than Schaub.

Ron Dayne does not need to be a Texan next year.

Our OLB's stink and Clark should be collecting SS not a game check.

Our CB's, with the exception of Bennet and DRob, are below average, and with the exception of Demps, our Safeties are pitiful.

Lets not let the 8-8 record fool you. We played a soft schedule, out of all 16 games we beat 2 teams with winning records.

This year we will have, AP, Favre, Chicago D, Detriots O, Big Ben and Willie Parker, A very much improved Raiders team, the Jags run game, the Titans run game, and the colts.

6 of 16 teams we play next year made the playoffs and 3 of the teams that did not make the playoffs under achieved. Three of those 6 that did make the playoffs we play twice next year.

If we fielded this team against next years opponents we win 4 maybe 5 games.

Soft? Tough to do when you're in the AFC South doncha think?

[TEXANRED]

Soft? Tough to do when you're in the AFC South doncha think?

That division that we went 1-5 in?

Yes we had a soft schedule, again, two games won against opponents with winning records.

And one of those wins was against a Jags team that sat half there team.

[TEXANRED]

You didn't misread Red, you read history. Last season is last season. So the Outsider is a master of the obvious. He still isn't giving any love to a much improving Texans team.......what I read was a "big dis" aimed at the Texans.
But that's alright, it'll make our coming sucess so much sweeter!!

I am not saying we wont be good, or cant be good, but the article was pretty accurate to the current state of the Texans. Lets see how we fair in FA and the draft and we should have more of an accurate assessment of our team.

[South Texan]

Interesting commentary on last year... I guess. Key words there... LAST YEAR.

With Gibbs, draft picks, a good chance of Spencer and most of 16 other injured players coming back, and some money to work with this year I think both Matt and Sage will have more time in the pocket and a more dependable running game to take the pressure off. I am not so sure about Dayne being gone either, not that I am saying he is a feature back, but he did a decent job as backup and I don't think we are paying him really big bucks. Given Gibb's history with O-Lines and a couple of good pickups on the O-Line and I think they will be very respectable next year.

[Texan Naija]

That division that we went 1-5 in?

Yes we had a soft schedule, again, two games won against opponents with winning records.

And one of those wins was against a Jags team that sat half there team.

Looking at more than a few of the games we lost in our division, we held up against the Jags pretty well and despite losing to the Titans those games were pretty much neck to neck aside from us suffering critical injuries before and during those games.

But like South Texan said, we can't tell how next year will turn out.

[Texanf@n]

Interesting commentary on last year... I guess. Key words there... LAST YEAR.

With Gibbs, draft picks, a good chance of Spencer and most of 16 other injured players coming back, and some money to work with this year I think both Matt and Sage will have more time in the pocket and a more dependable running game to take the pressure off. I am not so sure about Dayne being gone either, not that I am saying he is a feature back, but he did a decent job as backup and I don't think we are paying him really big bucks. Given Gibb's history with O-Lines and a couple of good pickups on the O-Line and I think they will be very respectable next year.

I am betting on respectability too. Every aspect of the Texans game will show improvement and I think everyone (except maybe Football Outsiders) knows this.
I think we are going to see Ron Dayne again next year, as a short yardage roll player, but he'll be back. He can contribute and the price will probably be right for the Texans.
Gibbs and Rhodes both have to equate to improvement on two different problem areas the team had and, well.....our quarterback situation...THAT is what I think the media sharks will be feeding on this coming season with the Texans. But hey, we have 2 excellent QBs so what's there to worry about?

[ReliantTexan]

That division that we went 1-5 in?

Yes we had a soft schedule, again, two games won against opponents with winning records.

And one of those wins was against a Jags team that sat half there team.Wait, so you're sayin that because we only beat 2 teams with winning records, it's a soft schedule?:confused:

You use the fact that we went 1-5 in our division to prove your point that it was a soft schedule. It actually proves the opposite doesn't it? Next year may be a "tougher" schedule but that doesn't make last year's a soft one.

[Texanf@n]

Next year may be a "tougher" schedule.....

I think our schedule will be tougher, and I think all the teams in the Big Bad AFC South are going to show improvement over last season. We are playing in the new "Black and Blue" conference IMO.

[TEXANRED]

Wait, so you're sayin that because we only beat 2 teams with winning records, it's a soft schedule?:confused:

Outside of the AFC South we played three teams with winning records, TB, Cleveland, SD.

Of those three teams we won one, game.

So yes, that is a pretty soft schedule.

You use the fact that we went 1-5 in our division to prove your point that it was a soft schedule. It actually proves the opposite doesn't it? Next year may be a "tougher" schedule but that doesn't make last year's a soft one.

No. The 1-5 in division play was to point out that the article written about the Texans was accurate and that we still have a long way to go.

There is no way you can spin it any other way, last year was a soft schedule when 3 out of 10 teams played that were non divisional games had winning records.

Remember when we went 7-9? The next year we went 2-14.

[infantrycak]

That division that we went 1-5 in?

Yes we had a soft schedule, again, two games won against opponents with winning records.

And one of those wins was against a Jags team that sat half there team.

It is ridiculous to argue the Texans played a soft schedule. Look at the draft order--of the 8-8 teams the Texans are drafting next to last.

Outside of the AFC South we played three teams with winning records, TB, Cleveland, SD.

Of those three teams we won one, game.

So yes, that is a pretty soft schedule.

Results don't determine whether a schedule is soft. A team could play the 18-1 Patriots 16 times and lose every game. The loses don't indicate the schedule is soft--if anything they show exactly the opposite.

[Wolf123]

It is ridiculous to argue the Texans played a soft schedule. Look at the draft order--of the 8-8 teams the Texans are drafting next to last.



Results don't determine whether a schedule is soft. A team could play the 18-1 Patriots 16 times and lose every game. The loses don't indicate the schedule is soft--if anything they show exactly the opposite.

You can't play in the best division and say we had a soft schedule.

[caddy]

Well... I can say it... it was soft. Just glance at the teams like the Colts, Titans and Jags played. Note the difference. While the year before was as tough as it could get. As for this year, so far the biggest plus is that we have another year of experince for our head coach and his staff. Now I feel we can hang our hat on that.

[headsplint]

Well... I can say it... it was soft. Just glance at the teams like the Colts, Titans and Jags played. Note the difference. While the year before was as tough as it could get. As for this year, so far the biggest plus is that we have another year of experince for our head coach and his staff. Now I feel we can hang our hat on that.

Caddy, that almost sounded positive. :eek:

[TEXANRED]

It is ridiculous to argue the Texans played a soft schedule. Look at the draft order--of the 8-8 teams the Texans are drafting next to last.
You could also argue its just as ridiculous to argue daft order when there are only 4 8-8 teams and the two ahead of us are Minn, and Arizona.

7 of our 10 non divisional opponents are picking before the Texans. 4 of the first 5 draft picks played the Texans last year, 1. Miami, 3. Atlanta, 4. Oakland, 5. Kansas City.

You can't play in the best division and say we had a soft schedule.

You could even argue that the AFC South looked so dominant b/c they played the same soft schedule we did, with the following exceptions:

Jac played: Buffalo and Pittsburgh instead of Cleveland and Miami
Tenn played: NYJ and Cinn instead of Cleveland and Miami
Indy played: Baltimore and New England instead of Cleveland and Miami

Tenn had the easiest schedule out of the four of us and with the aid of the Texans laying another egg against the Titans and Indy playing dead, they go on for a 10-6 record and a playoff birth.

I still stand by my statement, we cannot take this current Texans team and field it against next years opponents and win 8 games. This current team wins 4-5 games.

We have no secondary, we have no OLB's, and only half a DLine.

[Matt_in_KW]

Got afew words for anyone saying we played a soft schedule or we aren't that good.

ON ANY GIVEN DAY

Also known as...we can be 1-15 or 16-0 next year who knows till the games are played.

Plus the team will have new twists and players.

[TEXANRED]

Got afew words for anyone saying we played a soft schedule or we aren't that good.

ON ANY GIVEN DAY

Also known as...we can be 1-15 or 16-0 next year who knows till the games are played.

Plus the team will have new twists and players.

Sure on any given day. I believe that too. But how does that help the argument that after the smoke has cleared and all has been evaluated that we did not, in fact, have a soft schedule?

The Titans had a softer schedule than we did (.453) (Texans .513) Are you saying that the Titans playing lesser opponents had nothing to do with there 10-6 record?

[Wolf123]

Sure on any given day. I believe that too. But how does that help the argument that after the smoke has cleared and all has been evaluated that we did not, in fact, have a soft schedule?

The Titans had a softer schedule than we did (.453) (Texans .513) Are you saying that the Titans playing lesser opponents had nothing to do with there 10-6 record?

We played in arguably the toughiest division and I'm not saying that going off of records but off the talent of the teams.

[dallas_texan]

Sorry guys, he didn't write anything that is not true.

Sage out played and had a better winning record than Schaub.

Ron Dayne does not need to be a Texan next year.

Our OLB's stink and Clark should be collecting SS not a game check.

Our CB's, with the exception of Bennet and DRob, are below average, and with the exception of Demps, our Safeties are pitiful.

Lets not let the 8-8 record fool you. We played a soft schedule, out of all 16 games we beat 2 teams with winning records.

This year we will have, AP, Favre, Chicago D, Detriots O, Big Ben and Willie Parker, A very much improved Raiders team, the Jags run game, the Titans run game, and the colts.

6 of 16 teams we play next year made the playoffs and 3 of the teams that did not make the playoffs under achieved. Three of those 6 that did make the playoffs we play twice next year.

If we fielded this team against next years opponents we win 4 maybe 5 games.

6 of 13 teams made the playoffs.

[jonniebryant]

Red, that makes pretty sad reading...gutted...lets not just look at the negatives though, we had a ridiculous amount of injuries this past season.

[CoogBull]

I think this article makes a lot of good points. I want to be an optimist, but I still think that we are a good three or four years out of the playoffs. We still have a defensive back field that is running on a shoestring, an offensive line that is improving but still needs and anchor at LT, and an offensive backfield that is uncertain.

We have so many holes to fill that we can not address it all in this draft. Still we could have some unknowns show up and knock the socks off of us. I am still worried about our defense's propensity to give up the big play on 3rd down.

I think we will be a better team this year, but that may not be reflected in our record. With our more difficult schedule this season we may struggle.

A big part of our success has to be in the division. We need to start by setting our sights on the Titans. They are the second weakest team in the division and we always play them close. Soon we will start winning those games. If we can start knocking them off twice a year we can start making legit playoff runs.

[Texan Naija]

I think this article makes a lot of good points. I want to be an optimist, but I still think that we are a good three or four years out of the playoffs. We still have a defensive back field that is running on a shoestring, an offensive line that is improving but still needs and anchor at LT, and an offensive backfield that is uncertain.

We have so many holes to fill that we can not address it all in this draft. Still we could have some unknowns show up and knock the socks off of us. I am still worried about our defense's propensity to give up the big play on 3rd down.

I think we will be a better team this year, but that may not be reflected in our record. With our more difficult schedule this season we may struggle.

A big part of our success has to be in the division. We need to start by setting our sights on the Titans. They are the second weakest team in the division and we always play them close. Soon we will start winning those games. If we can start knocking them off twice a year we can start making legit playoff runs.

I agree short of some bad administrative issues in Jacksonville or Indy, our best bet for getting over in the division is stomping on the Titans. But with some veteran leadership on both sides of the ball, even with the more difficult schedule, we should have better year, in my opinion.

[infantrycak]

I want to be an optimist, but I still think that we are a good three or four years out of the playoffs.

There is no team in the league that is 3 or 4 years out of the playoffs. The league is far too dynamic for such statements.

[ObsiWan]

Sorry guys, he didn't write anything that is not true.

Sage out played and had a better winning record than Schaub.

Ron Dayne does not need to be a Texan next year.

Our OLB's stink and Clark should be collecting SS not a game check.

Our CB's, with the exception of Bennet and DRob, are below average, and with the exception of Demps, our Safeties are pitiful.

Lets not let the 8-8 record fool you. We played a soft schedule, out of all 16 games we beat 2 teams with winning records.

This year we will have, AP, Favre, Chicago D, Detriots O, Big Ben and Willie Parker, A very much improved Raiders team, the Jags run game, the Titans run game, and the colts.

6 of 16 teams we play next year made the playoffs and 3 of the teams that did not make the playoffs under achieved. Three of those 6 that did make the playoffs we play twice next year.

If we fielded this team against next years opponents we win 4 maybe 5 games.

I beg to differ....
- As long as Chitown has Rex, we can beat them. Their much ballyhooed defense is on the downhill slide and picking up speed. They have no real WRs and a suspect running game. Unlike you, I don't fear them.
- I've never been impressed with "Big Ben". Their defense and running game won them a Super Bowl; he was just along for the ride.
- Detroit is, well... Detroit. Like us, they're improving. But I'm not willing to say they're better than us just yet. Are you drinking the MoTown Kool-Ade Kitna's been selling?
- Minnesota doesn't scare me either. Take away their running game (and it can be done); T. Jackson can't beat you.
- Favre and GB is the only team that scares me. Their D is up and coming and their offense, with those young WRs and the old guy still slinging it, is very potent. I was surprised they let the Giants get them.
And please explain how Oakland is "very much improved".

Just as it was last year, our toughest competition comes from within our own division.
Sorry you have more faith in other teams than you do ours.

[GT]

I beg to differ....
- As long as Chitown has Rex, we can beat them. Their much ballyhooed defense is on the downhill slide and picking up speed. They have no real WRs and a suspect running game. Unlike you, I don't fear them.
- I've never been impressed with "Big Ben". Their defense and running game won them a Super Bowl; he was just along for the ride.
- Detroit is, well... Detroit. Like us, they're improving. But I'm not willing to say they're better than us just yet. Are you drinking the MoTown Kool-Ade Kitna's been selling?
- Minnesota doesn't scare me either. Take away their running game (and it can be done); T. Jackson can't beat you.
- Favre and GB is the only team that scares me. Their D is up and coming and their offense, with those young WRs and the old guy still slinging it, is very potent. I was surprised they let the Giants get them.
And please explain how Oakland is "very much improved".

Just as it was last year, our toughest competition comes from within our own division.
Sorry you have more faith in other teams than you do ours.Well stated and I agree whole heartedly with your assesment.We will be our own worst enemy until we stop turning the ball over.If we cure this problem we can go toe to toe with almost every team on our schedule. ;)