View Full Version : Spector pushing forward with spygate investigation
Colts Addict
02-15-2008, 07:41 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3246788
How do you all feel about this? Obviously... I am not a NE fan. However, this is starting to become an NFL issue, not just a Patriot issue. I do find it bothersome that there is alleged cheating dating back to 2000. Do you all find this to be a big deal... or feel like its being blown out of proportion?
Colts Addict
02-15-2008, 08:02 AM
Personally, I think it is a big deal...one in which should be handled by the league. Congress has no right to get involved and I think it it's a **** shame they can't get the business of the people done, and instead waste OUR money on this B.S. Maybe if they went after terrorists like they do professional atheletes we'd have Osama by now.:mad:
JMHO
With that said though... in light of the fact that Goodell withheld the information that BB had been doing this since 2000, do you think the league would do anything, if this Senator doesn't shine a big bright light on this? Or, do you think the league would continue to go on, without doing anything else. I am only asking, because you are on the side of the fence that this is a big deal.
Aside from the governments interference here... what do you think should happen with the Patriots at this point, in light of the new information?
Two comments:
1) Congress needs to quit wasting our money on issues not pertaining to goverment.:mad:
2)I imagine quite a few teams are destroying videos they feel will fall into this category. :eek:
buzzedtexansfan
02-15-2008, 08:08 AM
I do agree that congress should stay away, but i do see there side of this as well. Millions of dollars are bet on games each week, and if the patriots were cheating, then people were cheated out of their own money. And congress has a right to make sure that each game we bet on is a legit compition, were both teams have an equal chance to win (poor ownerships not included).
I do agree that congress should stay away, but i do see there side of this as well. Millions of dollars are bet on games each week, and if the patriots were cheating, then people were cheated out of their own money. And congress has a right to make sure that each game we bet on is a legit compition, were both teams have an equal chance to win (poor ownerships not included).Here is my problem with this arguement.....if you live in Texas it is illegal to gamble on sports.As with most states this is the case and you believe the goverment should monitor illegal activities? I can not see the goverment doing anymore with this other than turning it into a spectacle were the only losers would be the fans.To look into this because people have lost their money to a bookie is ludicrous......the goverment needs to solve their own problems.
I do believe the NFL needs to investigate and take appropriate measures.The problem here is what would be appropriate, honestly what would you do about past infractions by any teams?
Colts Addict
02-15-2008, 08:29 AM
I imagine quite a few teams are destroying videos they feel will fall into this category. :eek:
Well... this right here, is definitely a concern of mine at this point. If Spector digs too deep into this thing, how many skeletons does the NFL have? Will something like this, end up tearing apart this sport? As a consumer, I want the truth. However... as a huge fan of the NFL in general, I am not sure I want to know. Make sense?
Well... this right here, is definitely a concern of mine at this point. If Spector digs too deep into this thing, how many skeletons does the NFL have? Will something like this, end up tearing apart this sport? As a consumer, I want the truth. However... as a huge fan of the NFL in general, I am not sure I want to know. Make sense?It make a whole lots of sense.This can turn out worse than anyone really wants it to be and if this is dragged through the mud the NFL could end up with the biggest blackeye you have ever seen.I do not condone cheating but when money is involved everything seems to turn corrupt and people will always try to gain an edge to get the big bucks.At this time the last thing my beloved sports needs is big brother involved....big bro screws up everything they tamper with.The only way to resolve this issue is from the inside.....sadly for us we would not know all the teams involved.... but for the sport this would be the best solution.
headsplint
02-15-2008, 08:47 AM
To look into this because people have lost their money to a bookie is ludicrous......the goverment needs to solve their own problems.
Was their something official saying this is why they were looking into it, or is it just speculation? I really don't know.
On one hand I don't want to see congress putting their hands in the mix, but on the other hand, I think there should be some sort of independent investigation into it. I'm sure there is a fair amount of corruption within the confines of the NFL government, so any evidence discovered by an investigation done only by the NFL could easily be manipulated to show only what the NFL wants us to see. I don't know if I am alone on this but I don't like the way it makes me feel knowing that a real possibility of cheating exists beyond the Patriots. Sure I think every team fudges the rules a bit, but if the possibility of an epidemic of this type has been going on, I think it needs to be investigated, and IMO investigated by an outside source whether it be congress or a private firm.
headsplint
02-15-2008, 08:50 AM
The only way to resolve this issue is from the inside.....
I just think it will end up being a biased investigation. And granted I would hate to see the NFL get a blackeye, but if this is rampant then IMHO so be it. The possibility of cheating and calling into question the integrity of the game just doesn't sit well with me.
Colts Addict
02-15-2008, 08:54 AM
Was their something official saying this is why they were looking into it, or is it just speculation? I really don't know.
On one hand I don't want to see congress putting their hands in the mix, but on the other hand, I think there should be some sort of independent investigation into it. I'm sure there is a fair amount of corruption within the confines of the NFL government, so any evidence discovered by an investigation done only by the NFL could easily be manipulated to show only what the NFL wants us to see. I don't know if I am alone on this but I don't like the way it makes me feel knowing that a real possibility of cheating exists beyond the Patriots. Sure I think every team fudges the rules a bit, but if the possibility of an epidemic of this type has been going on, I think it needs to be investigated, and IMO investigated by an outside source whether it be congress or a private firm.
Actually no... the reason given for the interference by the Senate is a couple of reasons.
One of them is consumers. Consumers putting money into a big business under the assumption that fairplay is involved, yet there are questions to how true that is now.
The other one is the Anti-trust exemption that the Government provides the NFL for their TV contracts and such. Therefore the Government feels they have the right to step in, when something like this happens, because the NFL gets really nice exemptions under their umbrella. I think they figure that the NFL can't have it both ways. Get exemptions from them, but expect them to stay out of something they feel was handled incorrectly or covered up.
I am actually on the side of the fence that has no issue with the Senator's involvement here. I understand the other side of the argument though.
Was their something official saying this is why they were looking into it, or is it just speculation? I really don't know.
On one hand I don't want to see congress putting their hands in the mix, but on the other hand, I think there should be some sort of independent investigation into it. I'm sure there is a fair amount of corruption within the confines of the NFL government, so any evidence discovered by an investigation done only by the NFL could easily be manipulated to show only what the NFL wants us to see. I don't know if I am alone on this but I don't like the way it makes me feel knowing that a real possibility of cheating exists beyond the Patriots. Sure I think every team fudges the rules a bit, but if the possibility of an epidemic of this type has been going on, I think it needs to be investigated, and IMO investigated by an outside source whether it be congress or a private firm.Yo Head I didn't bring up the gambling side...instead I was responding and saying if this were the reason then it would be stupid.It needs investigating but everyone would really be suprised about how rampant it is.Why do you think so many teams now have indoor facility's for walkthroughs and such.Do you think we need an indoor facility here in Texas for practice, as for me I think not.All teams in the NFL are aware of this problem because they pertake in the practice in some form.
headsplint
02-15-2008, 08:58 AM
Actually no... the reason given for the interference by the Senate is a couple of reasons.
One of them is consumers. Consumers putting money into a big business under the assumption that fairplay is involved, yet there are questions to how true that is now.
The other one is the Anti-trust exemption that the Government provides the NFL for their TV contracts and such. Therefore the Government feels they have the right to step in, when something like this happens, because the NFL gets really nice exemptions under their umbrella. I think they figure that the NFL can't have it both ways. Get exemptions from them, but expect them to stay out of something they feel was handled incorrectly or covered up.
I am actually on the side of the fence that has no issue with the Senator's involvement here. I understand the other side of the argument though.
Ya I can see both points, but completely agree with the anti-trust issue.
I just think it will end up being a biased investigation. And granted I would hate to see the NFL get a blackeye, but if this is rampant then IMHO so be it. The possibility of cheating and calling into question the integrity of the game just doesn't sit well with me.You could not be more right......I do not like any of it, the cheating that is.The problem here is everyone is looking for an edge and with technology the way it is this may only get worse.I only hope they can resolve the issue in a manner that does not hurt the League. ;)
headsplint
02-15-2008, 09:15 AM
Yo Head I didn't bring up the gambling side...instead I was responding and saying if this were the reason then it would be stupid.It needs investigating but everyone would really be suprised about how rampant it is.Why do you think so many teams now have indoor facility's for walkthroughs and such.Do you think we need an indoor facility here in Texas for practice, as for me I think not.All teams in the NFL are aware of this problem because they pertake in the practice in some form.
Ya that's what I thought I just wasn't sure if this was just speculation or if there were some truth to it.
SuperstarII
02-15-2008, 11:53 AM
The government came in a fixed NHL because it seriously was in shambles from what I hear. Now they are trying to clean up MLB and NFL. My god they must miss being in the spotlight or something. One senator had said it best during Roger trial, "That we have better things to do than babysit players when important things matter." or something like that. Yet he said that , but didn't they start this whole mess?
Matt_in_KW
02-15-2008, 12:28 PM
Two comments:
1) Congress needs to quit wasting our money on issues not pertaining to goverment.:mad:
2)I imagine quite a few teams are destroying videos they feel will fall into this category. :eek:
During the season Don Shula himself said stuff like this has gone on forever. I can not even begin to think if they dig deep enough what they could come up with. Imagine the 72' Dolphins with potos of practices? Shula said that he knows teams have guys watch practices, stay in hotels across from stadiums to watch practice and more.
And notice this guy with "more evidence" was no longer with NE after 02 I belive? Then he calls and makes a comment about it...then clams up. He hasn't been heard from since before the SB. Is he waiting for a book deal maybe a movie...did he loose interest?
More questions on stuff like that. And just wrong for the Senate to rip this so big for no reason. Unless maybe one of the senators lost money or something. I belive they are just after all sports, they said the NBA would be reviewed soon.
Colts Addict
02-15-2008, 01:03 PM
During the season Don Shula himself said stuff like this has gone on forever. I can not even begin to think if they dig deep enough what they could come up with. Imagine the 72' Dolphins with potos of practices? Shula said that he knows teams have guys watch practices, stay in hotels across from stadiums to watch practice and more.
And notice this guy with "more evidence" was no longer with NE after 02 I belive? Then he calls and makes a comment about it...then clams up. He hasn't been heard from since before the SB. Is he waiting for a book deal maybe a movie...did he loose interest?
More questions on stuff like that. And just wrong for the Senate to rip this so big for no reason. Unless maybe one of the senators lost money or something. I belive they are just after all sports, they said the NBA would be reviewed soon.
Well, in all fairness in regards to the Matt Walsh situation. Matt Walsh was approached in Sept by the media, just like Charlie Weiss, and Romeo Crennel were and asked if they ever participated in illegal taping of teams during the SB years. Romeo refused to even address it... Weiss laughed and said "no comment"... and Matt Walsh said, if I say anything at all, I could be sued. He then went on to explain that he had signed a confidentiality agreement with the Patriots upon his discharge and told several media outlets that approached him, that if they would sign a contract taking full responsibility for any legal fee's he incurred because of breach... he would talk. Noone was willing to do this.
Goodell is the only real person who can lift that, considering the "evidence" he claims to have, directly affects the NFL as a whole. Sort of like the NFL is the boss to the Patriots, therefore they can lift such an agreement.
ubecool454
02-18-2008, 06:57 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3246788
How do you all feel about this? Obviously... I am not a NE fan. However, this is starting to become an NFL issue, not just a Patriot issue. I do find it bothersome that there is alleged cheating dating back to 2000. Do you all find this to be a big deal... or feel like its being blown out of proportion?
Cheating is nothing new to pro sports. There is a lot of big money involved so it should come as no surprise. I'll catch flak for this next comment but....Cheating is the American way. lol If you ain't cheatin you ain't trying.
ubecool454
02-18-2008, 06:59 PM
With that said though... in light of the fact that Goodell withheld the information that BB had been doing this since 2000, do you think the league would do anything, if this Senator doesn't shine a big bright light on this? Or, do you think the league would continue to go on, without doing anything else. I am only asking, because you are on the side of the fence that this is a big deal.
Aside from the governments interference here... what do you think should happen with the Patriots at this point, in light of the new information?
Goodell looks like a crook too.
ubecool454
02-18-2008, 07:02 PM
I do agree that congress should stay away, but i do see there side of this as well. Millions of dollars are bet on games each week, and if the patriots were cheating, then people were cheated out of their own money. And congress has a right to make sure that each game we bet on is a legit compition, were both teams have an equal chance to win (poor ownerships not included).
Buzzed that would be nice in a perfect world. I have played games that looked awfully funny in the end. I have always felt the refs can influence the outcome/spread of a game. The only thing I hope for if they do cheat is that I am on the right side of the cheat.
SuperstarII
02-18-2008, 08:49 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3246788
How do you all feel about this? Obviously... I am not a NE fan. However, this is starting to become an NFL issue, not just a Patriot issue. I do find it bothersome that there is alleged cheating dating back to 2000. Do you all find this to be a big deal... or feel like its being blown out of proportion?+
I am not sure if this has been posted, but now this has come up.
http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com/pg/08046/857665-66.stm
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I am not sure if this has been posted, but now this has come up.
http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com/pg/08046/857665-66.stmThis is what I found humorus about the whole article and these are quotes from Cowher and the Steelers office.
Former Steelers coach Bill Cowher, reached at his home in North Carolina yesterday, said:
"Is it an advantage to steal signals? Yes. Did it determine the outcome of the game? No.''
Steelers spokesman Dave Lockett also said that club officials believe that the results of the game did not hinge on stolen signals.
Colts Addict
02-19-2008, 07:09 AM
This is what I found humorus about the whole article and these are quotes from Cowher and the Steelers office.
Former Steelers coach Bill Cowher, reached at his home in North Carolina yesterday, said:
"Is it an advantage to steal signals? Yes. Did it determine the outcome of the game? No.''
Steelers spokesman Dave Lockett also said that club officials believe that the results of the game did not hinge on stolen signals.
Not that he/they don't really feel this way... but I would imagine with Spector digging deeper into this thing, that we will start seeing teams close ranks here around Goodell and the NFL. I think they realize the ramifications something like this has. Cheating aside... wins possibly tainted aside... This is big business with alot of money at stake.
Not that he/they don't really feel this way... but I would imagine with Spector digging deeper into this thing, that we will start seeing teams close ranks here around Goodell and the NFL. I think they realize the ramifications something like this has. Cheating aside... wins possibly tainted aside... This is big business with alot of money at stake.No doubt and no arguement.But this is what you will hear now on out.
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