Alge Crumpler/Falcons Cuts [Archive] - Houston Texans Message Boards

Vitruvian

02-15-2008, 01:19 PM

Hey y'all, this is a pretty big cut that has happened. Alge can still go to a team and immediately be an impact. I love Daniels, but Alge could come cheap since he didn't have a great year in 07 and Daniels and Crumpler would make defenses sh%& themselves when they have to cover our great receivers, 2 great tight ends, and a running back coming out on pass plays

HydrOshocK

02-15-2008, 01:22 PM

This should be in the NFL section bro.

SMC-22

02-15-2008, 01:23 PM

Id wait to use that cap to get a better RB than we thought we were gonna get,if thats during free agency.

HydrOshocK

02-15-2008, 01:24 PM

he was

ib4texans

02-15-2008, 01:28 PM

There is a thread in the NFL section with this topic already. This doesn't need to be in the Bullpen! The Bull Pen Discuss Texans football here! Football talk only please.

BIG ERN

02-15-2008, 01:45 PM

The man can still play.

02-15-2008, 01:50 PM

Really man, thank goodness you're not in control of the Texans FA pickups or we would sign every player ever released by other teams.:rolleyes:You mean we can't sign every player available.........sniff sniff....:mad:

El Tejano

02-15-2008, 02:09 PM

if we picked up a guy like this, it would only be a good thing. On top of that you know he is somewhat familiar with Schaub and he is a zone buster. However after the season he just endured I am sure he wants to go to someone who has a chance at being a champ sooner than us but boy would it be nice.

athegreat

02-15-2008, 02:10 PM

just copy/paste every response from the zach thomas thread into this one.

why not pick up trent green while we're at it...

Colts Addict

02-15-2008, 02:20 PM

Altanta never ceases to amaze me. Not only is he an exceptional blocker... his hands are just beautiful.

I would love for the Colts to pick him up... and that is saying alot, since I don't get into the whole FA thing. I like going through the draft.

Texian

02-15-2008, 02:24 PM

This should be in the NFL section bro.

The same info was posted on the free agents thread now that Crumpler is a FA.

Towlie

02-15-2008, 02:58 PM

Good blocker... definately an upgrade over putz and bruener

HuttoKarl

02-15-2008, 03:02 PM

just copy/paste every response from the zach thomas thread into this one.

why not pick up trent green while we're at it...

Trent Green could carry Travis Johnson's bags.

El Tejano

02-15-2008, 03:04 PM

Good blocker... definately an upgrade over putz and bruener

That statement is going to make this thread interesting. Lots of ways you can go with that.

TEXANRED

02-15-2008, 04:45 PM

02-15-2008, 04:52 PM

Quit busting the poor kids chops. Crumpler would be a huge pick up. I believe he has already played in Gibb's system once, can not only get open and catch the football, but is a pretty good blocking TE.

Crumpler would be an upgrade at our TE position.Oh no.......everyone run it's the poster police......:D

All kidding aside I highly doubt they will do nothing more than give Crumpler a glance.We have too many other needs that we have to address and tight end is not one of them. ;)

TEXANRED

02-15-2008, 04:52 PM

:confused: as a backup to Owens right?:confused:

Heck no. Crumpler is better than OD.

Crumpler is a top 5 TE.

In no particular order

Gates
Shockey
Crumpler
Cooley
Witten

Crumplers stats fell off a little last year but he had Harrington and Gary Coleman throwing him the football.

triggernome

02-15-2008, 04:52 PM

He'd actually be a pretty nice pickup. He has experience in Gibbs' system and automatically a better receiving threat than any of our TE's sans OD. Blocking-wise, Bruener may have on up on Alge, but Bruener's a FA anyway. Crumpler also has some familiararity with Schaub, although they didn't necessarily play a lot together.

ReliantTexan

02-15-2008, 04:54 PM

:confused: as a backup to Owens right?:confused:Owen is a great receving threat, but he is a mediocre/poor blocker. Crumpler is a much more complete TE.

TEXANRED

02-15-2008, 04:54 PM

02-15-2008, 05:06 PM

Owens is just starting his pro career.....Crumpler is coming to the end of his. Not saying he doesn't have some good years left but Daniels has a longer shelve life for the Texans.Couple this with the fact that Daniels loyalty is with the Texans and at this time Crumpler will be about the money as it should be.Read his bio since he has been here and remember Gibbs will improve his blocking skills.Until then I will stick with Daniels. ;)

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/player.asp?player_id=212

PRO: Sure-handed pass catcher with a knack for finding the open field…started every game in 2007 and set career and franchise single-season marks with 63 catches for 768 yards, adding three touchdowns...has played in 30 games, starting 28, in his two-year career...impressed coaches in training camp to earn starting spot as a rookie…started the first 12 games of the season and finished with 34 receptions for 350 yards…his five TD catches ranked first among NFL rookie tight ends

ReliantTexan

02-15-2008, 05:08 PM

Oh no.......everyone run it's the poster police......:D

All kidding aside I highly doubt they will do nothing more than give Crumpler a glance.We have too many other needs that we have to address and tight end is not one of them. ;) I understand that. And if they do even consider going after him I hope they don't break the bank for him.

But signing a player of Alge's caliber is going to have more of an impact on this team's overall succes, than signing a mediocre player at a position of need. JMO.

HydrOshocK

02-15-2008, 05:28 PM

Owen is a great receving threat, but he is a mediocre/poor blocker. Crumpler is a much more complete TE.

Poor blocker? Says who? :confused:

joedinkle

02-15-2008, 05:39 PM

Heck no. Crumpler is better than OD.

Crumpler is a top 5 TE.

In no particular order

Gates
Shockey
Crumpler
Cooley
Witten

Crumplers stats fell off a little last year but he had Harrington and Gary Coleman throwing him the football.

Kellen Winslow??

ReliantTexan

02-15-2008, 05:39 PM

Poor blocker? Says who? :confused:Me.;)

But seriously, you don't remember him getting completely decked by that D-lineman when we played the Browns. I could be wrong about who we played against but I remember the "play" clearly. And that's not the only instance of bad blocking from him. He might not be "poor" but it's definately not one of his strengths.

HydrOshocK

02-15-2008, 06:30 PM

Me.;)

But seriously, you don't remember him getting completely decked by that D-lineman when we played the Browns. I could be wrong about who we played against but I remember the "play" clearly. And that's not the only instance of bad blocking from him. He might not be "poor" but it's definately not one of his strengths.

Yeah I do actually remember a few busted plays. I'll agree with mediocre but I wouldn't list him as poor. He's made his share of decent run blocks. Still, Crumpler is an obvious upgrade in all aspects of the position right now. That's not to say O.D. isn't on his way to becoming a Pro Bowler, because I believe he is, but we are talking about Algernon Darius Crumpler here. ;)

Obviously I would be extremely stoked if we added him to the team but it wouldn't be cost worthy IMO, considering Daniels is a very good TE. Adding Crumpler would mean either Daniels would have to sit or we would have to tweak the scheme to include more two TE sets. That in turn would be taking the ball out of the hands of guys like Andre Davis, who we all want to see back. Before getting overly excited about the possibilities people need to consider the impact on the entire team.

headsplint

02-15-2008, 06:42 PM

I would love to have him, he would be an unpgrade, however OD is capable and right now we need to focus on the positions that are currently occupied by the incapable. Not gonna happen.

Texian

02-15-2008, 06:42 PM

If we were going to sign a cut falcon I would rather it be Rod Coleman.

Armor For Sleep

02-15-2008, 07:25 PM

ReliantTexan

02-15-2008, 08:08 PM

Awesome, yet another "let's sign this guy" thread. Crumpler was released for health and conditioning reasons, and he's on the wrong side of 30. He will likely be trying to get paid starter money and would be a backup here.

I doubt that was the real reason he was released. He's been digusted with the teams offense and where they're headed,and if a player doesn't want to be there, what do you do.
A player doesn't go from pro-bowler to has-been that fast. He still has some years left. But signing him isn't a must to me.

Also, to whoever said Crumpler is a top 5 TE, Antonio Gates, Kellen Winslow, Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, Chris Cooley, Dallas Clark, Vernon Davis, Todd Heap, Heath Miller, and Jeremy Shockey say hi.And Alge is better than all the TE's in bold. JMO

Yosarian

02-15-2008, 08:19 PM

We got lots of tight ends and i feel very loyal to Owen. He is going to be great very very soon!

But imagine we go pro formation. Owen on one side Crumpler on the other....

we add Stewart...so says everybody....Andre wide left Walter wide right...Jacoby in the slot and our running game will be open like crazy. What secondary wouldn't respect us? We could add a speed burner too to stretch the defense even further if we lose Mathis.

But i mostly agree that Crumpler is past his prime. Still good though. But we do not need more TE's. We carried more than any other team in the league last year so who knows????

ubecool454

02-15-2008, 08:51 PM

Cut putzier and Bruener and get crumpler in here. lol

TEXANRED

02-15-2008, 10:49 PM

Awesome, yet another "let's sign this guy" thread. Crumpler was released for health and conditioning reasons, and he's on the wrong side of 30. He will likely be trying to get paid starter money and would be a backup here.

Also, to whoever said Crumpler is a top 5 TE, Antonio Gates, Kellen Winslow, Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, Chris Cooley, Dallas Clark, Vernon Davis, Todd Heap, Heath Miller, and Jeremy Shockey say hi.

I did, in my post, that I posted, and feel free to use the quote button if you don't remember the name.

Um, you listed 10 TE's, not five.

Vernon "Cry me a river" Davis. No way is he a top 10. He was an average rookie and couldn't stay healthy last year.

Heath Miller? OD is better than Miller.

Winslow has been average, average hands, average speed, average blocker.

Tony G was, at one point in time, a top 5 TE.

Crumpler is better than Clark otherwise you named my top 5.

Rosstafarian

02-15-2008, 11:02 PM

Also, to whoever said Crumpler is a top 5 TE, Antonio Gates, Kellen Winslow, Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, Chris Cooley, Dallas Clark, Vernon Davis, Todd Heap, Heath Miller, and Jeremy Shockey say hi.

Vernon Davis, Todd Heap, Heath Miller, and Jeremy Shockey say hi.

Vernon Davis

Vernon Davis

VERNON DAVIS

One of these things is not like the other . . .

Towlie

02-16-2008, 11:24 AM

It says on chron.com that the falcons also released rod coleman... thats a good possibility considering that he is an above average pass rusher, WAY better than TJ

theyoungNwild

02-16-2008, 11:35 AM

It says on chron.com that the falcons also released rod coleman... thats a good possibility considering that he is an above average pass rusher, WAY better than TJ

If I'm not mistaken, and i could be, I thought they dropped Rod midway if not very early on in the season last year. If we wanted him, we would have gotten him already.

headsplint

02-16-2008, 12:01 PM

If I'm not mistaken, and i could be, I thought they dropped Rod midway if not very early on in the season last year. If we wanted him, we would have gotten him already.

checked it out on atlantafalcons.com and it looks like it just happened. Man they cut Leftwitch over Harrington, that's pretty bad. Maybe there was more to Harrington's contract than I know, or really care to look into. Wonder where Leftwitch ends up? Maybe the backup at Carolina. :D

http://www.atlantafalcons.com/News/Official_Transactions/2008_Transactions.aspx

2008 Transactions
Waivers, Trades, Etc...

2008 Transactions
February
15 - Released TE Alge Crumpler, QB Byron Leftwich, T Wayne Gandy, CB Lewis Sanders, WR Jamin Elliott, LB Marcus Wilkins and DT Rod Coleman.
11 - Waived WR Todd Watkins
9 - Assistant General Manager Billy Devaney named Executive Vice President of Player Personnel for the St. Louis Rams
6 - Named Alvin Reynolds defensive backs coach
5 - Re-signed free agent TE George Cooper
4 - Named Joe Danna defensive quality control coach

spurstexanstros

02-17-2008, 05:34 PM

Am I the only one wondering if Matt has busted a phone call to his ex teammates Crumpler and Gandy? They might want to come to a similar system and be reunited with Matt. Imagine if our starting TEs inclued Owen Daniels and Algae Crumpler. What would that do to our passing game? That would be sweet. Please tell me someone else is thinking about this?

Armor For Sleep

02-17-2008, 05:36 PM

Yes, someone else did think of this.
http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=5525

Jeriko025

02-18-2008, 12:15 AM

I just saw that Crumpler has been released, I would think since Kubes likes the 2 Tight look, and Crumpler is such a match up problem, that with Andre Daniels, Crumpler and Davis, we would have a mismatch offence some what like the patriots run. Could really open things up for kubes to be more creative and make that play action Kubes likes so much even more dangerous

headsplint

02-18-2008, 06:28 AM

moses77550

02-18-2008, 11:31 AM

SHould the Texans go after these guys? They were cut by the falcons. I think Alge would be awsome along with Daniels. I don't know about the others to well.

Wolf123

02-18-2008, 12:28 PM

He's going to want to be a starter and will be out of the texans price range.

Armor For Sleep

02-18-2008, 12:36 PM

SHould the Texans go after these guys? They were cut by the falcons. I think Alge would be awsome along with Daniels. I don't know about the others to well.

We don't need another freaking thread on this topic. There's already been like 5 of them, if not more. We're not going to sign Crumpler because he's fat, has conditioning issues, he'll want too much money, and his production dropped without Vick. Coleman is a one gap penetrator, just like Okoye and TJ. We'd be better off trying to sign someone who could eat up some space. We won't sign Gandy because he's 37 and he sucks.

TEXANRED

02-18-2008, 02:09 PM

Just heard on ESPN that Crumpler was cut. IIRC he played in Gibb's system before. Maybe a good candidate to mentor O.D.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3247718

Wolf123

02-18-2008, 02:13 PM

Just heard on ESPN that Crumpler was cut. IIRC he played in Gibb's system before. Maybe a good candidate to mentor O.D.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3247718

How's he going to mentor O.D. The only thing he could possible help on is blocking and Crumpler isn't a good blocker anyway.

TEXANRED

02-18-2008, 02:26 PM

How's he going to mentor O.D. The only thing he could possible help on is blocking and Crumpler isn't a good blocker anyway.

Crumpler is a better T.E. than O.D. Crumpler has played in Gibbs' system before. And Crumpler is a really good blocker, so much so that the Falcons were consistent when leading the league in rushing.

O.D. can catch real nice, hanging on to the football seemed to be a problem last year. Blocking, not so much his thing. But he can predict the weather better than Crumpler.

Wolf123

02-18-2008, 02:29 PM

Crumpler is a better T.E. than O.D. Crumpler has played in Gibbs' system before. And Crumpler is a really good blocker, so much so that the Falcons were consistent when leading the league in rushing.

O.D. can catch real nice, hanging on to the football seemed to be a problem last year. Blocking, not so much his thing. But he can predict the weather better than Crumpler.

Crumpler hasn't been a good tight end in years. Thats why the falcons are getting rid of him. The Falcons were a good rushing team because of Alex gibbs, not crumpler. Even Crumpler admits he's not a good blocker.

TEXANRED

02-18-2008, 03:07 PM

Crumpler hasn't been a good tight end in years. Thats why the falcons are getting rid of him. The Falcons were a good rushing team because of Alex gibbs, not crumpler. Even Crumpler admits he's not a good blocker.

Algernon's career stats: http://www.nfl.com/players/algecrumpler/careerstats?id=CRU467810

O.D.'s career stats:
http://www.nfl.com/players/owendaniels/careerstats?id=DAN576298

I think you will have to admit that once Gibb's showed up and starting playing the west coast offense he has been a dominate T.E. for the last 5 years.

He is bigger, 264 to O.D.'s 246, faster, runs crisp routes, stronger, and I still say he blocks better.

I am not saying that OD is bad, just that Crumpler is an upgrade. Just like saying Gates is better than Shockey.

TEXANRED

02-18-2008, 03:08 PM

Hey did you guys hear...Alge Crumpler's been released!!!

Your not serious? Really? Maybe we should take a look at him.

Armor For Sleep

02-18-2008, 03:25 PM

I think you will have to admit that once Gibb's showed up and starting playing the west coast offense he has been a dominate T.E. for the last 5 years.

I may have read this wrong, but Gibbs was just a consultant with the Falcons and had nothing to do with their WCO. That was the work of Jim Mora, Jr and Greg Knapp. Crumpler benefited from having Vick as his QB because Vick couldn't hit any of his WRs. Look at the improvement in Roddy White's numbers with Vick versus without him. Any TE will have good numbers when they're the focal point of the offense. Someone has to get receptions and Crumpler was that guy by default. Just like Billy Miller had decent numbers in 2002, but that doesn't make him better than any other TE in the league.

Matt_in_KW

02-18-2008, 03:31 PM

It's worth a look with the other TE's we have. Only OD is young and really can catch.

But he will want starters money and a starting spot and unless they use 2 TE's then if we picked him up...what would OD do? Bench? That would be dumb, OD is playing pretty well.

Wolf123

02-18-2008, 03:35 PM

Algernon's career stats: http://www.nfl.com/players/algecrumpler/careerstats?id=CRU467810

O.D.'s career stats:
http://www.nfl.com/players/owendaniels/careerstats?id=DAN576298

I think you will have to admit that once Gibb's showed up and starting playing the west coast offense he has been a dominate T.E. for the last 5 years.

He is bigger, 264 to O.D.'s 246, faster, runs crisp routes, stronger, and I still say he blocks better.

I am not saying that OD is bad, just that Crumpler is an upgrade. Just like saying Gates is better than Shockey.

Yea, Gibbs had nothing to do with their WCO. I doubt crumpler even knew who gibbs was. He was once a good player but hasn't been a difference maker in a while. Injuries have also hurt him.

Texian

02-18-2008, 03:48 PM

Gibbs had everything to do with Atlanta's zone blocking and run game. Mora and Knapp introduced the WCO (passing game). Gibbs was on board full time as Asst Coach/Oline in the first year. The next two years he was a consultant. He worked full time at training camp and during the season part time 3 or 4 days during the week. He did not attend the games or travel with the team.

Gibbs brought in a TE who resembled a T as his primary blocking TE. He went from the Falcons to Detroit and has since retired. I can't remember his named.

Now I remember it was Eric Beverly.