Charley Casserly - What a Joke on Wikipedia

[Carlos]

Check out this entry for Charley on Wikipedia. It was obviously written by someone close to Charley.

Here is a quote I found rather humorous:

"Considered by many as one of the most respected General Managers in the NFL throughout his career, Casserly most recently served as Senior Vice President & General Manager, Football Operations, for the expansion franchise Houston Texans beginning in 2000 through 2006."

Here is the entirety of what the entry says about his tenure with the Texans:

"During his four years leading the Texans in the NFL draft, Houston was the only team to draft two Rookies of the Year (Domanick Davis, Dunta Robinson) and two starting Pro Bowlers (Andre Johnson, Jerome Mathis).

"Casserley [sic] is known in Houston as the decisionmaker in choosing Mario Williams in the 2006 NFL Draft over Vince Young or Reggie Bush.

"On May 11, 2006 Casserly resigned as general manager of the Texans and officially stepped down on June 1."

Hmmmmm...no mention of all the lousy draft choices he made while in Houston, or the fact that he was on his way out at the time of the 2006 draft, when McNair and Kubiak were the ones really wielding the power, or the fact that his legacy in Houston was a 2-14 season, and that he left behind a team with very little talent, no depth and in salary cap hell. The quote about Robinson winning a Rookie of the Year award isn't even true! Where does one even begin with Casserly?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charley_Casserly

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"Casserley [sic] is known in Houston as the decisionmaker in choosing Mario Williams in the 2006 NFL Draft over Vince Young or Reggie Bush.

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Ya I can just hear him now...

in 06' - Mario was all Kubiak's pick.... all Kubiak!

in 07' - completely taking credit for the Mario pick.

[DeclanJr]

Check out this entry for Charley on Wikipedia. It was obviously written by someone close to Charley.

Here is a quote I found rather humorous:

"Considered by many as one of the most respected General Managers in the NFL throughout his career, Casserly most recently served as Senior Vice President & General Manager, Football Operations, for the expansion franchise Houston Texans beginning in 2000 through 2006."

Here is the entirety of what the entry says about his tenure with the Texans:

"During his four years leading the Texans in the NFL draft, Houston was the only team to draft two Rookies of the Year (Domanick Davis, Dunta Robinson) and two starting Pro Bowlers (Andre Johnson, Jerome Mathis).

"Casserley [sic] is known in Houston as the decisionmaker in choosing Mario Williams in the 2006 NFL Draft over Vince Young or Reggie Bush.

"On May 11, 2006 Casserly resigned as general manager of the Texans and officially stepped down on June 1."

Hmmmmm...no mention of all the lousy draft choices he made while in Houston, or the fact that he was on his way out at the time of the 2006 draft, when McNair and Kubiak were the ones really wielding the power, or the fact that his legacy in Houston was a 2-14 season, and that he left behind a team with very little talent, no depth and in salary cap hell. The quote about Robinson winning a Rookie of the Year award isn't even true! Where does one even begin with Casserly?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charley_Casserly


Have you ever seen a Wikipedia definition where they talk about someone's mistakes? What in this is inaccurate? I don't think he did a great job, but it isn't like they made things up.

[DiehardChris]

All the fans were saying Mario was Casserly's pick until Mario started to dominate.

I'm just sayin'.

[Carlos]

Have you ever seen a Wikipedia definition where they talk about someone's mistakes? What in this is inaccurate? I don't think he did a great job, but it isn't like they made things up.

You're kidding, right? The quote about Robinson winning the Rookie of the Year award is blatantly wrong. The comment about Casserly being one of the most respected GM's in the NFL throughout his career is hard to verify with objective evidence, but I doubt it's accurate. He certainly wasn't respected when he left Houston -- he was a joke. Not too long ago, I read something in Pro Football Weekly about a presentation Casserly was asked to make at an NFL gathering of some sort, and PFW quoted an NFL official as saying something to the effect of, "Listen to what Casserly says, then do the exact opposite."

What else about the entry? Let's see...Casserly did not make the Williams pick. He was a lame duck at the time it was made and certainly didn't have the authority to make a decision of that magnitude. While Casserly did resign, in all likelihood it was only because he was graciously allowed to do so by McNair (rather than get fired) because McNair is a class guy. ProFootballTalk.com was never able to get a definitive answer about whether or not Casserly got a severance package. If he did, that would mean the "resignation" was more akin to a departure McNair forced, rather than one where Casserly voluntarily chose to walk away. If he really did quit, McNair would not have been obligated to pay him anything.

Good grief, keep in mind that McNair hired Dan Reeves as a consultant before the 2-14 season had even come to a close, a hiring that thoroughly humiliated Casserly.

I've seen plenty of entries on Wikipedia that give a more complete picture, good and bad, of subjects covered. Casserly's is way too generous given the titanic mess he left behind here.

[GT]

You're kidding, right? The quote about Robinson winning the Rookie of the Year award is blatantly wrong. The comment about Casserly being one of the most respected GM's in the NFL throughout his career is hard to verify with objective evidence, but I doubt it's accurate. He certainly wasn't respected when he left Houston -- he was a joke. Not too long ago, I read something in Pro Football Weekly about a presentation Casserly was asked to make at an NFL gathering of some sort, and PFW quoted an NFL official as saying something to the effect of, "Listen to what Casserly says, then do the exact opposite."

What else about the entry? Let's see...Casserly did not make the Williams pick. He was a lame duck at the time it was made and certainly didn't have the authority to make a decision of that magnitude. While Casserly did resign, in all likelihood it was only because he was graciously allowed to do so by McNair (rather than get fired) because McNair is a class guy. ProFootballTalk.com was never able to get a definitive answer about whether or not Casserly got a severance package. If he did, that would mean the "resignation" was more akin to a departure McNair forced, rather than one where Casserly voluntarily chose to walk away. If he really did quit, McNair would not have been obligated to pay him anything.

Good grief, keep in mind that McNair hired Dan Reeves as a consultant before the 2-14 season had even come to a close, a hiring that thoroughly humiliated Casserly.

I've seen plenty of entries on Wikipedia that give a more complete picture, good and bad, of subjects covered. Casserly's is way too generous given the titanic mess he left behind here.Nice post and well stated. ;)

[steelbtexan]

CC lives in fantasy land. 2-14 & crappy trades are a more accurate portrayl of his tenure with the Texans. I believe people on this board could have done a better job drafting players than CC.

[ubecool454]

Check out this entry for Charley on Wikipedia. It was obviously written by someone close to Charley.

Here is a quote I found rather humorous:

"Considered by many as one of the most respected General Managers in the NFL throughout his career, Casserly most recently served as Senior Vice President & General Manager, Football Operations, for the expansion franchise Houston Texans beginning in 2000 through 2006."

Here is the entirety of what the entry says about his tenure with the Texans:

"During his four years leading the Texans in the NFL draft, Houston was the only team to draft two Rookies of the Year (Domanick Davis, Dunta Robinson) and two starting Pro Bowlers (Andre Johnson, Jerome Mathis).

"Casserley [sic] is known in Houston as the decisionmaker in choosing Mario Williams in the 2006 NFL Draft over Vince Young or Reggie Bush.

"On May 11, 2006 Casserly resigned as general manager of the Texans and officially stepped down on June 1."

Hmmmmm...no mention of all the lousy draft choices he made while in Houston, or the fact that he was on his way out at the time of the 2006 draft, when McNair and Kubiak were the ones really wielding the power, or the fact that his legacy in Houston was a 2-14 season, and that he left behind a team with very little talent, no depth and in salary cap hell. The quote about Robinson winning a Rookie of the Year award isn't even true! Where does one even begin with Casserly?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charley_Casserly

It is true that Casserly was one of the most respected GMs available at the time the Texans hired him. I am one that is willing to give Casserly and Capers a break. It had to be hard to come in on the ground floor of a expansion team with no talent and make them winners in 2 or 3 years. Do you guys really look at what we had to start out with? We didn't get the same sweet expansion deal that Carolina and Jacksonville got coming into the league. The NFl didn't want the team in Houston in the first place so that could be the reason we didn't get carolina/jags deal. Why not blame the owner for hiring them? I just think its time to move on because in this business things are just not that easy as some of us posters on message boards make it seem to be. I'm looking forward, not back on past failures. ALL ABOARD.

[Towlie]

hehehe....

[ubecool454]

CC lives in fantasy land. 2-14 & crappy trades are a more accurate portrayl of his tenure with the Texans. I believe people on this board could have done a better job drafting players than CC.

Let Bob Mcnair know that you are available for the job. David Carr, Andre Johnson, Domanick Davis, Travis Johnson, Demeco Ryans, Jerome Mathis, Eric Winston, Dunta Robinson....Those picks don't sound all that bad to me, but then again, I am not GM material like most posters on this board.

[HomeGrownTexan]

I made it better


Houston Texans
During his four years leading the Texans in the NFL draft, Houston was the only team to draft two Rookies of the Year (Domanick Davis, Dunta Robinson) and two starting Pro Bowlers (Andre Johnson, Jerome Mathis). however, he was also known for very bad choices such as David Carr, Dave Ragone and more.

Casserley is known in Houston as the decisionmaker in choosing Mario Williams in the 2006 NFL Draft over Vince Young or Reggie Bush, despite the fact that Texans coach Gary Kubiak made the pick.

On May 11, 2006 Casserly resigned as general manager of the Texans and officially stepped down on June 1 after a 2-14 season.

I made it even better :)

[steelbtexan]

Let Bob Mcnair know that you are available for the job. David Carr, Andre Johnson, Domanick Davis, Travis Johnson, Demeco Ryans, Jerome Mathis, Eric Winston, Dunta Robinson....Those picks don't sound all that bad to me, but then again, I am not GM material like most posters on this board.

I'm going to give you my thoughts on these players

1. Carr worst pick he made set the franchise back 5 years
2. A.Johnson great pick
3.Mathis not a hard worker & injury prone
4.Davis Good pick but gave him a new contract when he didn't have to. This helped put us in salary cap mess.
5. T. Johnson He's O.K. but we passed up all-pro LT J. Brown because CC thought he could only play RT.
6.Winston KUBES pick
7. Ryans KUBES pick
8. DR a good pick but IMO not as good as everybody on this board thinks he is. A good no.2 CB IMO.

This doesn't even include his 2 biggest gaffes trading away 3 draft choices for Babin @ a time that we needed those choices for depth purposes.

Buchanon for 2nd & 3rd round choices See Above
I think many people on this board could have done a better job

[steelbtexan]

We are now in good hands with RS & KUBES. UBC do you think it's a coincedince that when RS & KUBES took over we started drafting better?

[Carlos]

KUDOS in all caps to whichever one of you added this to the Wikipedia entry:

"On May 11, 2006 Casserly resigned as general manager of the Texans and officially stepped down on June 1 after a 2-14 season and when the Texans brass discovered that Casserly scored lower on the Wonderlic test than Vince Young."

You had me literally laughing out loud!

Great job!

[ubecool454]

We are now in good hands with RS & KUBES. UBC do you think it's a coincedince that when RS & KUBES took over we started drafting better?

I like the moves Kubiak and Smith are making. We didn't have anything to work with at the start. We made mistakes along the way but what fan in their right minds thought that we would be a success right away. Casserlys two biggest blunders was the babin and buchanon deals.

[SuperstarII]

Let Bob Mcnair know that you are available for the job. David Carr, Andre Johnson, Domanick Davis, Travis Johnson, Demeco Ryans, Jerome Mathis, Eric Winston, Dunta Robinson....Those picks don't sound all that bad to me, but then again, I am not GM material like most posters on this board.

you lost credibility when you posted David Carr's name......

DemeCo was also chosen by Kubiak not Casserly as well as Eric Winston.

[ubecool454]

All the fans were saying Mario was Casserly's pick until Mario started to dominate.

I'm just sayin'.

You are 100% right. And where are the fans that was anti mario now.....wearing a mario jersey. If you read these message boards enough you will see just what kind of fans we really have.

[ubecool454]

you lost credibility when you posted David Carr's name......

DemeCo was also chosen by Kubiak not Casserly as well as Eric Winston.

Get real dude, you were most likely one of the fans that were booing and throwing things when we took mario in stead of bush or vince. Now that mario is coming on it was Kubiaks pick. Keep looking to place blame on the past decisions.....the real fans are looking towards the future.

[steelbtexan]

I wanted us to trade down & take Ferguson with the 4th pick & Mangold with the 29th pick. I was wrong.

[Armor For Sleep]

you lost credibility when you posted David Carr's name......

DemeCo was also chosen by Kubiak not Casserly as well as Eric Winston.

But Owen Daniels was all Casserly, so all the Daniels fans can't hate the guy too much.

"Kubiak says former general manager Charley Casserly and Texans scouts deserve the credit for Daniels being here.
"When we took our break on Saturday night during the draft, we spent a lot of time talking about what we were going to do the next morning," Kubiak said. "There were many names that came up, but Charley and the scouts really stood up for this young man.
"They made a believer out of me that he would be the best fit for our football team."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4117267.html

[Towlie]

I think the best decision CC ever made was "stepping" down as our GM...

[Wolf123]

Casserly had some good picks but that doesn't make up for all his crappy picks. In the 2003 draft the texans were extremely disappointed that Willis Mcgahee injured his knee and that charles rogers was going to go #2. Casserly loved both players and even tried to talk Roy williams into entering the draft so they could pick him at #3. All I can say is I'm glad we took andre!!

[ubecool454]

I wanted us to trade down & take Ferguson with the 4th pick & Mangold with the 29th pick. I was wrong.

At least you are honest about it. Most of the posters on here was Anti Mario pick. I can honestly say I was for it all the way. Of course i am a little biased towards mario for a good reason though.

[Carlos]

check out this new wiki entry....ROFLMAO

I had the same reaction when I saw that. I was LMAO out loud. After seeing how easy it was for others to make changes to the entry, I couldn't resist -- I set up an account and made my own changes. I suspect ol' Charley is going to go ballistic when he sees what the published version now says about him.

[Texans_Chick]

You're kidding, right? The quote about Robinson winning the Rookie of the Year award is blatantly wrong. The comment about Casserly being one of the most respected GM's in the NFL throughout his career is hard to verify with objective evidence, but I doubt it's accurate. He certainly wasn't respected when he left Houston -- he was a joke. Not too long ago, I read something in Pro Football Weekly about a presentation Casserly was asked to make at an NFL gathering of some sort, and PFW quoted an NFL official as saying something to the effect of, "Listen to what Casserly says, then do the exact opposite."

What else about the entry? Let's see...Casserly did not make the Williams pick. He was a lame duck at the time it was made and certainly didn't have the authority to make a decision of that magnitude. While Casserly did resign, in all likelihood it was only because he was graciously allowed to do so by McNair (rather than get fired) because McNair is a class guy. ProFootballTalk.com was never able to get a definitive answer about whether or not Casserly got a severance package. If he did, that would mean the "resignation" was more akin to a departure McNair forced, rather than one where Casserly voluntarily chose to walk away. If he really did quit, McNair would not have been obligated to pay him anything.

Good grief, keep in mind that McNair hired Dan Reeves as a consultant before the 2-14 season had even come to a close, a hiring that thoroughly humiliated Casserly.

I've seen plenty of entries on Wikipedia that give a more complete picture, good and bad, of subjects covered. Casserly's is way too generous given the titanic mess he left behind here.


Casserly was high on the Williams pick after Kubiak made him check out all the candidates.

According to McClain and others, Casserly wanted to announce the Bush pick early like he basically did with Carr. Kubiak wanted possible trades for the pick to be explored.

[HomeGrownTexan]

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[El Tejano]

Let Bob Mcnair know that you are available for the job. David Carr, Andre Johnson, Domanick Davis, Travis Johnson, Demeco Ryans, Jerome Mathis, Eric Winston, Dunta Robinson....Those picks don't sound all that bad to me, but then again, I am not GM material like most posters on this board.

I agree with this. He has actually drafted well for us. Where he hurt us was Free Agency in getting new players and letting the wrong ones go.

[Vitruvian]

funniest part of the wickipedia report:

"On May 11, 2006 Casserly resigned as general manager of the Texans and officially stepped down on June 1 after a 2-14 season and when the Texans discovered that Casserly scored lower on the Wonderlic test than Vince Young."


Hahahaha. Genius!!!

[steelbtexan]

I agree with this. He has actually drafted well for us. Where he hurt us was Free Agency in getting new players and letting the wrong ones go.

We were 2-14 when he was fired (ERR resigned). Sounds like a job well done to me. Most of the players UBC listed wre selected by RS & KUBES. Read one of my earlier posts check it for accuracy & I'm willing to debate it with you. (THE POST THAT TALKS ABOUT CC's DRAFT RECORD).

[steelbtexan]

I'm going to give you my thoughts on these players

1. Carr worst pick he made set the franchise back 5 years
2. A.Johnson great pick
3.Mathis not a hard worker & injury prone
4.Davis Good pick but gave him a new contract when he didn't have to. This helped put us in salary cap mess.
5. T. Johnson He's O.K. but we passed up all-pro LT J. Brown because CC thought he could only play RT.
6.Winston KUBES pick
7. Ryans KUBES pick
8. DR a good pick but IMO not as good as everybody on this board thinks he is. A good no.2 CB IMO.

This doesn't even include his 2 biggest gaffes trading away 3 draft choices for Babin @ a time that we needed those choices for depth purposes.

Buchanon for 2nd & 3rd round choices See Above
I think many people on this board could have done a better job

(This one)

[SuperstarII]

Get real dude, you were most likely one of the fans that were booing and throwing things when we took mario in stead of bush or vince. Now that mario is coming on it was Kubiaks pick. Keep looking to place blame on the past decisions.....the real fans are looking towards the future.

whatever dude

David Carr = bust